Night Stalker Nerf

[errant trout]

Since the tank was released, it has been overperformed and far too strong.

It has to good and random armour.
Rly good mobility.
100% Accuracy so no gunhandling perks are needed.
Rly strong Dpm.

The whole tank is to strong for the game and it needs to be nerfed

With a small number, it was still sustainable, but now that you can buy or earn it, everyone will own it and the quality of the battles will decrease

I hope alot of people will have the same opinion.

Thanks for Reading😇

[bitter linden]

It is way to good. 3 man platoons of them stomp a tier 10 lobby

Im avoiding hight tiers rn because if how many there are

I had a game with 5 on each side 💀

[twilit sphinx]

I completly agree with that. Nightstalker is and has always been a broken OP Tank and should not belong in WW2.
Wg did good with the AVRE & Taran Nerf they said here https://modernarmor.worldoftanks.com/en/cms/news/general-qol-july-2025/
that they wanted to close the gap between Prems and TT Variants so i dont understand why they bring the most broken one now in a earn OP it will cause a massive Sh**storm once they announce the Nerfs,because people played the whole event to earn it.
It would have been avoidable. But this was not a good move

[tiny summit]

Been too busy grinding to get mine to pub stomp them for ya broski sorry.

[bitter linden]

Na bro im actually playing CW💀 . I only does this when its bad 😂

[tiny summit]

I would help but I'm stuck in era 2 grinding atm....

[bitter linden]

😭

[whole jewel]

Get the night stalker and ill get it and WE will pub stomp them

[bitter linden]

exactly

[elfin wasp]

Of all the Halloween tanks to give away... WG picks this one..🤔

[marble frigate]

Most balanced tank ever 👍

[errant trout]

Nice Sarkasm here lol

[marble frigate]

There is no sarcasm here at all. WG is doing incredible job by giving away this fair and completely average at best TD.

[dawn bronze]

It has to be nerfed!

[velvet sleet]

Nerf it WG please🤨

[twilit sphinx]

@merry marten can you tell us is the nightstalker to strong or good in WGs opinion ?

[crystal dune]

Night stalker is balanced

[lean saddle]

Ja da er jetzt noch mehr witd wird es noch schlimmer der ist zu gut

[ancient plume]

Maybe the Night Stalker can get dispersion on its rockets, like the T31 Demolition has.

[errant trout]

Doesnt needed

The tank just needs a clear weakspot, and a little dpm nerf

The armour is the most annoying thing about the tank

[whole jewel]

Shoot the middle plate

Most t9s and tens can pen the middle plate

[crystal dune]

Most tier 9’s and 10 shred the mid plate. At least when I play mine, it seems to block nothing against tanks with good pen. Only blocks loads when they obviously can’t pen you. Like a type 5

It’s only OP against tanks with crap pen

[errant trout]

What do you mean with midplate? 😅 i only shoot through the turret

U mean the plate behind the turret?

[reef verge]

Mid plate on the hull. You will need to load premium for it and it only works when they are facing you.

[errant trout]

Never tried it before😅

[merry marten]

as i do not speak for all of WG not really 😅

[sweet pewter]

just got night stalker, and in my opinion it’s armor is not that impressive, at least on t10 mm. gun is good tho.

[errant trout]

Ofcourse, but do you own have a feeling about the tank?

[summer tinsel]

I mean we can argue back and forth about the tanks armor, its 50/50 tbh. However look at the gun. Its a autoloader, tanks that typically have low/mid dpm right? But the nightstalker has over 4k dpm with great pen and a insanely good intra clip. If you can aim the rockets or brawling, the gun alone is insane. The armor, pinpoint accuracy and mobility is just the icing on the cake

The next closest dpm autoloader to my knowledge is the tier 10 T 57, which is under 3.6k dpm, a 600+dpm difference at a whole tier lower.

The tanks easy enough to deal with as a tier 10, but this thing can 1 v 1 any tier 10 pretty easily, and tier 8's and 7's cant pen this thing frontally without crazy pen

[reef verge]

probably better to compare their base stats at which point the T57 is at 3142 dpm vs the Night Stalker's 4115. 973 base dpm difference is utterly insane

[summer tinsel]

Yeah definitely puts it in better perspective

Why the night stalker isnt a tier 10 is beyond me

[reef verge]

also worth noting the Night Stalker has a higher damage clip that allows it to easily clip a lower tier tank

[summer tinsel]

With a faster intra clip and reload lmao

[reef verge]

oh and some equal tier tanks if you dont low roll

[summer tinsel]

Make this thing a tier 10, tune down the accuracy and maybe take 1 or 2 out of the clip and people will stop complaining

Id be happy with the tier 10 and accuracy tweak, because as of rn its a laser beam

[reef verge]

going to be real fun trying to combat the perfect accuracy once that rocket skill hits bringing its rocket speed to the same as a 268 with HEAT or HE

[crystal dune]

No disagreements here on the gun. The most busted part of it

[queen narwhal]

It does have weaknesses in its armor and I’ve seen plenty sent packing, but I also had one trying to circle of death my death chariot. There is just something wrong there that it should not have been a consideration in that players mind but it has the armor/speed to try.

My preference is for more speed and less armor (just tone down the armor a tad—maybe increase torque so it could be quick—not fast) because it will differentiate it more from its twin premium.

[tiny summit]

It's unguided and slow velocity, reason for good accuracy but it's high skill because if your not aiming good with slow missile velocity it will miss or hit a part of a tank that auto bounces.

Also a rocket moves straight not RNG ring.

[winter belfry]

A Dpm nerf will be good for this tank. It's loading 6 bullets in 18 seconds stock. When you look on other tanks T9. Like Char Futur 4 loading 42 seconds for 4 bullets or Cobra 50 seconds for 4.

[ancient plume]

Just make it a tier 10 and be done.

[crystal dune]

This is a good point

Good players will make you look silly in a night stalker because they can quickly poke and damage you and you won’t be able to fire a rocket back in return because they’re so slow, and they travel straight after firing

It just needs a reload nerf that’s it

The rockets act like heat shells too, if you don’t hit very specific parts of tanks they just bounce despite the penetration that is claimed in the garage which is 330

[errant trout]

Yep

[tiny summit]

Had a lot of bounces that should pen today I think it's balanced

[crystal dune]

That was the first thing I noticed when I played it for the first time

Tracked a tank around a corner and all 6 shots into the drive wheel did not penetrate

[tiny summit]

Yha it doesn't pen frequently xD

I think it's balanced tbh

[crystal dune]

It’s definitely broken against lower tiers. But apart from that I agree with you

https://tenor.com/view/as-controversial-as-this-may-sound-seth-meyers-late-night-with-seth-meyers-controversy-this-may-sound-controversial-gif-20020434

[tiny summit]

I can pen with the tiger hammer I'm not seeing issues here.

[worldly quiver]

Just make the lower Plate easy pen and increase the reload to minimum 35 seconds. Then it should be alright. And yes it is way to strong

[crystal dune]

It already is an easy pen for anything with 300+ pen

At the end of the day they have given it out for free to everyone so the overall statistics will drop and then they can claim it’s fine and the tank will remain as it is

[worldly quiver]

Ja, because 300+ pen is just a normal amount needed for a t9 td🤙🤣 your right dude. My bad

[crystal dune]

So all of this is pointless really

[crystal dune]

You need 300+ pen to go through a lot of tier 9’s this is nothing unique to the night stalker

Ho ri 1 hull down

300mm structure

[worldly quiver]

Okay, so tell me some tanks on tier 9 where you need 300 pen+ to pen them frontaly so there is not a singel nother spot you can pen with less then that?

[tiny summit]

I rarely see one to know those weak spots...

[worldly quiver]

I dont mind that it has 300+ mm on some parts of the turret or unper plate. But it Has no real weak spot

Ho ri 1 is not a real comparison. Can pen the Upper and lower hull with way less then 300 pen

So i dont see the argument

I dont think there is a Single tank that has Overall 300mm + on the front whilst being that fast and having 4.2k dpm with an autolaoder. So yeah

[crystal dune]

But when it’s hull down it’s 300 minimum. The night stalker doesn’t have 300+ hull down

The night stalkers problem is the DPM

[worldly quiver]

That's why I said nerf lower plate

Not hull down

[crystal dune]

From playing mine the armour feels meh. Like someone said earlier, it feels 50/50 if it will work or not

[tiny summit]

I can pen with 201 standard with the hammer. Don't think it would pen a type 4s cupola with that standard.

[crystal dune]

It’s definitely not a drive forward and poo on everything tank that people claim it to be

[worldly quiver]

It should not be able to just go yolo cross field and can not get penned without gold high pen

[worldly quiver]

It is

[crystal dune]

Against low tiers sure

Who can’t pen you

[tiny summit]

Think he's mad because he got killed by a few today lol.....

[worldly quiver]

A nightstalker? Where?🤣🤣

[worldly quiver]

Nah dude. I am not. I am just not delusional🤙✌️

[crystal dune]

People don’t seem to be having issues penning me I’ll just leave it at that

[tiny summit]

He doesn't figure things out to pen so asks for nerfs.

[crystal dune]

It’s just cause the gun is so OP why I get can loads of dmg

And abusing tanks that can’t pen me

[worldly quiver]

Ok so we Balance tanks now because tier 10 can pen them quite reliable. That's great

[crystal dune]

Even the coop bots shred this tank

[tiny summit]

And there using auto aim xD

[crystal dune]

Aimbot * 🤪

[worldly quiver]

🤣🤣🤣 Brother i know how to pen that. It is just idiotic to give that tank no weak spot. Simpel as that

[tiny summit]

He's mad cause he doesn't wanna spend time learning weak spots....why I laugh when I see 77as way easier to pen than people think.

[worldly quiver]

Having to shoot Gold should never be the case fo a tank like that. And I dont mean that you should be able to pen it eveywhere but a lower plate weakspot would make it more balanced

[tiny summit]

And he keeps spouting gold lol 201 standard hammer pen goese thru easily from front

[worldly quiver]

🤣🤣🤣 your just a troll. To play coldwar

Go&

[tiny summit]

Nah I'm good lol your just mad cause you can't learn weakspots

[worldly quiver]

🤣🤣🤣 your Telling me that a hammer with 201 pen max highroll being 240 ish pen can pen a nightstalker frontaly which has every Single plate over 250mm armor?

Your just not really good in your head

[tiny summit]

I showed lux how to pen it why should I show you when your acting this way .

[worldly quiver]

🤣🤣🤣

I dont care

My math says otherwise and your just a trolling coldwar noobi

[tiny summit]

He has zero issues penning it now unlike you crying on discord..

[crystal dune]

I’ve never had a night stalker ruin my game just saying

Unless I’m in a tier 8 and can’t pen them

And it feels the same when I play it. I destroy bad players when I play it, but good players absolutely destroy me in my night stalker because the armour isn’t that good when you have the penetration

[tiny summit]

He has yet to ask me to go into custom and pen him lol

[worldly quiver]

All good dude. Not even try arguing with you anymore. It's like talking to a wall

[crystal dune]

It’s one of those tanks that excels at clubbing bottom tiers tanks but gets clubbed when fighting tanks with good penetration

The DPM is the problem bottom line. It shouldn’t have that quick of a reload

[tiny summit]

Correction clubbing people that refuse to learn weakspots.

[crystal dune]

Nerf it to ~25 seconds and it would be fine

[worldly quiver]

🤣🤣🤣 trolls dude. Have a good one

[crystal dune]

Ho ri 3 more Op than night stalker

Well I just went in a training room with @tiny summit and the hammer tier 7 tiger can indeed pen the night stalker frontally with standard ammo

Clips to come shortly

[tiny summit]

But hey I'm a noob I guess...

[worldly quiver]

I mean Show me then✌️

[worldly quiver]

That does not change facts though🤙 so yeah you are

[tiny summit]

Wouldn't post to that guy lol I like seeing him cry, maby others if they ask you nicely since you put the time and effort in to make the vids.

[worldly quiver]

🤣🤣🤣 ah, afraid to Show them i see. Well that proves my point. Thanks dudes. And keep trolling🤙

[tiny summit]

Nah just the way your acting I think you don't deserve it tbh.

[worldly quiver]

🤣🤣🤣 yeah mate of course. You do you. I dont even care

[crystal dune]

https://tenor.com/view/knowledge-tai-lopez-lamborghini-gif-19251888

Certified skill issue if you can’t penetrate it with tier 9&10 tanks 🤣

[worldly quiver]

🤣🤣🤣 now Show from the front and without guns pointing up🤙🤣

[crystal dune]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-bruh-monke-hospital-tubes-gif-6183237396145701176

It’s got 250mm gun armour Tf you talking about it makes no difference

[worldly quiver]

I just wanna see where he shot

[crystal dune]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[worldly quiver]

Yeah of course dude🤣

[crystal dune]

It was around the gun go take a look at the armour model

What else you wanna see lmao

Just proved it’s possible

With 203 pen

He didn’t know I was gunna raise the guns

We weren’t in VC

[worldly quiver]

Yeah just give me a second

Okay, so yeah you are right. But. I dont really know if it is really Intendet to shoot it through the gun and if that tank move i dont really think you will be able to Hit that tiny spot. But i have to give you that point even though it makes no sense

[crystal dune]

I didn’t know it was possible dude

So I learned something tonight

[errant trout]

Wollen wir selber testen?

[worldly quiver]

Mache ich gerade

I dont know why but clips are not loading...it is indeed a bug. WG and there disability to make hitboxes work. You can pen the gun easy with nearly every pen. I Tried with a locust and it worked. The gun is just the only hitbox, behind that is no armor

[crystal dune]

Damn it took players over one year to discover the night stalker has a Broken hitbox 🤣

[worldly quiver]

🤣

We would not have to look for that If WG would be able to bring out tanks that are not broken. Be have the nightstalker that has a big like this. We had Fv225, we have the czolg and the Demon...why??? Just why???

[errant trout]

U mean the 45mm plate?

[errant trout]

Imagine wg would read this, and make a Quick patch to buff it

[worldly quiver]

The clip is not loading on discord now...

@west token is that intended?

You can even see the holes around the gun and can look inside the whole tank through them...

[errant trout]

i mean, sturmtiger has the same thing

for close kombat, its a nice weakspot. On long range? i dont know

[bitter linden]

Its op. Its not reliable to pen anywhere. I know about the gun spot and no ita not reliable

If you miss 1 shot as well it almost full clips you

4k dom is absurd

Every time a teams has 2-3 of them they are almost garenteed to win

What tanks have everything? It has speed, armor dpm, camo, pen. Only thing is shell velocity however everytime i met one its at close range

Also remember this can face tier 7s

[crystal dune]

If you don’t move yeah

Otherwise it can’t hit anything

It literally relies on idiots sitting still

I don’t get what the fuss is about I really don’t

330 pen but it bounces half the clip for no reason

Armour can be penned by tier 1’s in the gun

[bitter linden]

I have to disagree

Its so ez to hit stuff with it

[worldly quiver]

Which is a bug. I did not know that and for me that does not change anything.

[bitter linden]

I have plenty of clips of them hitting me from 300+ meters away

It just takes practice

Its not hard

[crystal dune]

Bug or not it means people can pen the mantlet EZ

[bitter linden]

The manlet is not gureenteed

Its so hit or miss

And thats the only real weakspot

[worldly quiver]

Yeah. Just give it a lower plate that is penable by maybe 220~240 ish. And nerf reload to 30-35 seconds.

[bitter linden]

Yup

Thats reasonable

[crystal dune]

I don’t see the overpowered argument having played it

Only against players who haven’t got a clue what they’re doing

[bitter linden]

There's a reason they place toppings the board every game

[bitter linden]

4k dpm, amazing armor, fast?

[worldly quiver]

The issue is. 90 percent of players don't really have a clue...so....yeah

[bitter linden]

Teir 9 remember

Take it to a heavy flank and just farm

[crystal dune]

Armour is crap

Anything with 300+ shreds it

[brazen crypt]

Event if they nerf it people will still find another tank to complain 🙄

[crystal dune]

Don’t forget there’s tier 9 TD’s with 395 heat

[bitter linden]

Me, youlian, and crucial lost a 3 vs 2 against 2 of them because we couldn't pen it. Ill go find the clip. I have it somewhere. They were terrible players to

[crystal dune]

It’ll be the squall next

[crystal dune]

https://tenor.com/view/dumping-trash-daniel-labelle-frustrated-garbage-trash-gif-27186872

[worldly quiver]

Mate. Comparing to the best dpm is not really reasonable. It is like saying we need a type 5 with 400mm + frontal armor because jagdpanzer e 100 can pen it so it is fine

[crystal dune]

I’ve never had a night stalker mess my game up just saying

[bitter linden]

I quit playing recently cause of it

[crystal dune]

They farm the bad players.. okay. I just farm them ez

[worldly quiver]

I did have that maybe once or twice because of full yolo Unga banga brain people 🤣

[bitter linden]

I cant pen it. And if I miss 1 shot and he rushes me its game over

He will full clip me

And guys remember it has every single good stats except sheel velocity

[crystal dune]

The gun is the only OP thing about it. And that’s IF you pen every rocket

[worldly quiver]

Maybe @crystal dune is just sitting back where the arty is?🤣

[crystal dune]

And they’re troll af and love to bounce for no reason

[bitter linden]

All he does 😂

[worldly quiver]

🤣🤣🤣

[crystal dune]

Considering it can’t hit sh*t outside of 100m, nah

[bitter linden]

Its not even a tier 10

[crystal dune]

330 pen more like 250

[bitter linden]

Should atleast be that

Cause facing 7s is wild

[crystal dune]

I’ve tier 8’s than pen more reliably

[crystal dune]

That’s all it’s good for

[bitter linden]

Even 8s

[worldly quiver]

I got full yoloded by two of them in the sturmtiger. Yeah I hit them both for 1500 combined but they killed me and where able to kill the is4 next to me before he was able to kill them. Because of reload

[bitter linden]

What will a is M do against it?

[crystal dune]

Give it MM so it can’t see lower than 9’s and watch it be absolute 💩

[bitter linden]

It will pen every shot and you will bounce

Maybe pen 1 shot then he full clips you

[crystal dune]

Bruh you were in a Sturm

[bitter linden]

And your not supposed to snipe. You take it where heavys go. You won't miss

[brazen crypt]

Its just a phase... people Will not play the nightstalker everyday,its only cause its halloween plus i grinding few tank and this tank was never a problem for me...but fv 4005 and hes cousin the fv 215B or even the t110 TD was more terrible for me, But its normal cause some tank are stronger than other, its the game

[crystal dune]

Anything else you would have destroyed them.

[bitter linden]

You gotta remember that

[worldly quiver]

Not really. Two of them have close to 4k damage per clip. If they full yolo you it is gg

[bitter linden]

Exactly

[worldly quiver]

You can't play up against them

[bitter linden]

Idk why people say you can kill them

They out dpm you

[crystal dune]

Don’t fight alone IG

[bitter linden]

4k DPM!!!!!!!

[crystal dune]

🤷‍♂️

[bitter linden]

But I cant always choose that

Thats like saying dont fight a t249 alone

If you yolos you your dead

Nothing you can do

[worldly quiver]

As i said. I had an is4 with me full HP and a little bit of backup. They just insta delete me and where reloaded in time to kill the is4 as well

[bitter linden]

ITS broken

[bitter linden]

There's not many tanks that can do that

T249 is one

And its only low armor targets

[worldly quiver]

If you have no armor yes. Otherwise. No

[worldly quiver]

Exactly

[bitter linden]

Exepet nightsalker can do it to anything

[worldly quiver]

Correct

Of course that is not every game. And to me it happens quite rarely. Still it is an issue. And I have so many games with the tank that where just easy mode

[bitter linden]

And you can use the long range example. It's meant to be close range

Also its fast

[crystal dune]

Getting outplayed by a night stalker is wild

Might as well ask them to nerf the T110e3 then

[bitter linden]

What does it go like 40kph?

45?

[worldly quiver]

In random battles there are just not all good players. It just needs a weekspot. A real one. So it can't yolo like an idiot and you have to use a littel bit of brain

[bitter linden]

Yessir

Its idiot proof

[worldly quiver]

Most of the time

[bitter linden]

Like a rogal

[crystal dune]

You played it?

[bitter linden]

No real weakspot

[bitter linden]

On friends account

[crystal dune]

And you didn’t notice how easily people penetrate you?

[bitter linden]

Didn't matter. I would full clip them

And it had pretty good armor

Just wiggle

[worldly quiver]

If you have some experienced players and many tier tens and you don't really watch out to not expose your side you get killed

[crystal dune]

Exactly. 💩 ers, who sit there and give you their whole tank

[bitter linden]

Ez 5-6k average without sweating

[crystal dune]

For you to clip

No good player is doing that

[bitter linden]

What does a type 5 do? He cant run

Ill pen every shot

Even if im in a type 5

Wtf am I gonna do?

[crystal dune]

A type will just derp you don’t even need to aim

[bitter linden]

But he Will out dpm me before I kill him!!!

[crystal dune]

You have to rely on him not moving to hit your rockets

[bitter linden]

No you dont

Its so ez

[whole jewel]

Unless im a nightstalker on my team because NO ONE knows how to brawl other night stalkers

So those 3 night stalkers are free

[bitter linden]

Its just like the t114 bat. Just gotta get used to the gun

[whole jewel]

Get back on bro my M103 heat literally shreds any and all fraud stalkers😂

[worldly quiver]

https://youtu.be/IRFRRwObNHM?si=kAB2VG2kaI_1aBZQ

Watch those games and tell me it is not easy, and not a problem against lower Tiers, casual lobbies or even most tier 9s

[bitter linden]

Randy the duck did 11k in it in lile 4 minutes

If thats not op idk what is

[crystal dune]

First game you were 31 Hp with 3.5k dmg

Only cause you got to farm the arty’s did it go up

I do 3.5k in WZ-111G-FT

[whole jewel]

3.5k is about my regular average in my M103

[crystal dune]

Cherry picking replays is great

[bitter linden]

You can say that about any clip then

Every clip is always cherry picked

Thats the point

[worldly quiver]

3.1k. Nightstalker is actually your highest average on tier 9s

3.9k

[crystal dune]

My DPG in night stalker rn is 4000 flat which is higher than my thunder chief

But that’s only because of the games where I get to farm idiots who can’t penetrate me

[worldly quiver]

Mine is about 4.2k damage

[crystal dune]

Aka low tiers

[errant trout]

The gun "bug" isnt a great weakspot. Try to hit it on 300meter while the tank is going 50

[crystal dune]

Against higher tiers I’m sure I would have way less

[worldly quiver]

Without playing serious

[errant trout]

Tank is to fast,no clear weakspots,to much dpm

[whole jewel]

3.1k? Oh damn but ill get it up i got the better gun not too long ago as for night stalker if its my highest then its just a lil higher than my foch

[errant trout]

For good players, the nightstalker can be a 5k average tank

Which is to much for a tier9

[worldly quiver]

Sure. Because high damage in that thing is clearly impossible against high tiers🤣🤙

[crystal dune]

too fast, no clear weakspots too much DPM

[tiny summit]

??? Uhh mind you the t95, and the t30 exists.....

[bitter linden]

so what do i do here?

[crystal dune]

T30 is so broken

[errant trout]

T30 isnt a 5k average tank

[crystal dune]

Sleeper tank of all time

[whole jewel]

You jus take it like a good boy ig

[tiny summit]

It can easily

[errant trout]

Same with t95

[errant trout]

No

Ok, why the best player has only 4.5 average?

[worldly quiver]

? How are we comparing a t95 and t30 to a nightstalker?

[crystal dune]

Learn to aim

[whole jewel]

Foch can be a 5k dmg tank too if u know how to play it

[crystal dune]

Why shoot the gun mantlet twice

[tiny summit]

Many blueberry's will peak it and lose 750hp just to try it again easiest tank to farm DMG with.

[bitter linden]

You can say any tank is 5k average

[bitter linden]

Because thats the weak spot

Not the point tho

Looks at my hitppints

[errant trout]

Nope

[crystal dune]

You’re in 114 bruh

Shoot the LP

[bitter linden]

Gone in 10 seconds

[bitter linden]

I did first time and bounced

I could fit whole clip

[crystal dune]

The 155 is so busted now but nobody is calling that OP

With the 440 alpha

lol

[errant trout]

T30 best player 4.5 average
T95 best player 4.4 average
Nightstalker best player 5.7 average

Little difference

[bitter linden]

Well i mean anyone can say that. I meant for good players. Night stalker will average even higher

Is my point

[crystal dune]

It’s the low tier games

[tiny summit]

Avg because most people didn't have night stalkers.

[crystal dune]

Ban night stalker from seeing below tier 9 and watch it fail

[tiny summit]

Also higher chance of bot lobbys

[errant trout]

Doesnt change anything

[bitter linden]

It desemates tier 10s like that clip

[errant trout]

Botfarmer also play t30

[bitter linden]

Go back and watch my health

[errant trout]

And nightstalker doesnt have special matchmaking

[tiny summit]

Wrong it has 1-1 so if it doesn't get one opposite team you'll be waiting till you get a match or get a bot match

[crystal dune]

https://tenor.com/view/shanice-gif-15464947615243595220

[worldly quiver]

Nope

They removed that🤣🤙

[crystal dune]

Tier 10 with no armour

[bitter linden]

Did you see my HP. Thats my point 2k health gone in 10 seconds

What was i to do?

[crystal dune]

Yeah that’s what 330 pen kinda does

If you were in an E4 he would be fked XD

[bitter linden]

But I wasnt

Then explaining its brokn

[tiny summit]

Yup removed that's why I was getting loads of bot matches when I was playing with bud in my tier 9 mvy xD

[bitter linden]

Like t249

[crystal dune]

So all you’ve showed is a night stalker can take advantage of low armour tanks

[whole jewel]

Foch or waffle in that situation shreds you twin

[crystal dune]

Exactly like t249 😂

[bitter linden]

And it was nerfed

So nightstalker should be

[worldly quiver]

"Nerfed"

WG would nerf nightstalker accuracy 🤣🤙

[bitter linden]

Its still op

[tiny summit]

Was nerfed cause people were dying in 2 seconds which they still are lol

[bitter linden]

Needs to be like the squall

And in that clip of mine it shows i was killed from full health extremely fast

[worldly quiver]

Yes, because bad players stay bad even if they play a toxic or "OP" tank

[bitter linden]

Very similar to t249

[tiny summit]

I think it's fine where it is if they need it more I expect it to have way more hp

[worldly quiver]

I mean I have to say, wt e 100 would have killed you faster. But you would have penned him easy first shot

[tiny summit]

And squall is different that they pulled the PC stats for it.

[bitter linden]

It has a 30 second reload

Nightstalker doesn't

[crystal dune]

The squall is 💩 because it’s supposed to have good pen but it doesn’t

[bitter linden]

Waffle has no armor

[crystal dune]

Bounce half the clips

[worldly quiver]

Yes, but 560×4 and 1,5 seconds intra

[bitter linden]

Also it's a tier 10

This is a tier 9

[worldly quiver]

Yes

[bitter linden]

Needs to be balanced

[worldly quiver]

That's true

I don't argue with that

[bitter linden]

Its better than some tier 10s

[crystal dune]

Like what? The 268/4?

That’s not a flex

[worldly quiver]

It is, not in very situation but that is not what unbalanced means. It is not balanced just because you have some tanks then can pen it easy or because tier tens can kill it quite easy if they know that they are doing.

[errant trout]

Thats right lol

[bitter linden]

Every tier 10 thats not op basically

So balanced tanks

[bitter linden]

Exactly

[crystal dune]

Not many then after the recent buffs

[worldly quiver]

Because many time you don't play against Tier 10s and many times you will not have tier 10s that know how to play against it

[tiny summit]

I think main issue is there's more bushes on PC so better utilization of it.

[bitter linden]

If something is too good in 1 area it should be readjusted

[errant trout]

Lot of vehicles are overbuffed

[bitter linden]

Like wayyyyy to good

[bitter linden]

Tru

[errant trout]

Especially American vehicles

[crystal dune]

Most of my night stalker games are bottom tier

It’s rare I get to yolo tier 7’s and 8’s

Most of my damage comes end game

After I have survived and I have the clip to take people out

Just got clipped full HP by a WT-e100 through the gun mantlet

So OP though

[worldly quiver]

Sounds like a skill issue🤣🤓

[crystal dune]

Who gunna tell him @tiny summit

At least it wasn’t a tier 7 that destroyed me

[tiny summit]

Yup pretty much will say that then whine that a tank needs nerfs "double standards"

[worldly quiver]

Well for me neither so....
But getting destroyed by a Giant driving building even a tier 4 can pen an the whole turret is quite sad...

[worldly quiver]

At least i dont have to play coldwar noobi mode to 3 Mark tanks and keep my stats up🤣

[crystal dune]

I thought the armour was OP my bad

Turns out it’s not no OP 😆

[worldly quiver]

If you don't know how to play it it is not that's true

[crystal dune]

Well tier 7 tigers can pen the gun mantlet so doesn’t matter how you play it really

Gotta hope noobs shoot your lower plate cause it’s stronger 😂

[worldly quiver]

I mean that only possible because of a bug. And you trying to make the armor Work against a wt e100 with 350mm plus is just really a you Problem and just Sounds like a big skill issue

Just get gooder

[crystal dune]

What does pen even have to to with it 😂😂

If a bug means a tier 7 can pen you

Doesn’t matter how much pen someone has lmao

[worldly quiver]

Alright thanks ✌️

Kinda looks like your Profile picture

Alright mate. Was fun arguing with you🤣✌️ it leave the rest to the others. Have a good one🤙

[sweet pewter]

it’s not bug, there is literally 40mm of armor.

[worldly quiver]

It is. You can legit pen it through the front of the gun. And there is no armor behind the gun as is should be, because of that there is a small gap between the gun and gunmantlet where there is exactly 0 armor

You can see inside the tank

[sweet pewter]

without bug there would still be 40mm of armor.

[worldly quiver]

So, realistically it should be part of the gun. And for that reason a module. So I don't think you would pen that if it was fixed

[sweet pewter]

it can go inside of tank through gun.

[worldly quiver]

Yes, because it is bugged. It should work as a module and the gun mantlet should be a closed up cone with a normal thick layer of armor behind it so you can't pen it there. But that layer of armor is missing. That's the issue

[merry marten]

cop out answer a little, but i've not played it and actually seen surprisingly little gameplay for it. The amount of it being played dropped off pretty fast after last sale and so my normal ways of trying to not talk from my butt of playing stuff in co-op + watching YT/Twitch has somewhat fallen short on this one.

[errant trout]

Because many had not bought the tank or did not see what it was capable of. Good players play the moe on it and then the tank is no longer played because its rly boring

It's just boring to play strong tanks as the challenge is missing

[merry marten]

Not saying this to disagree, but i'd just point out that you're likely making some assumptions to fit your view here. You have no idea about sales, and if i compare to other tanks with similar reputations they do not have the same lack of play.

So not saying you are wrong entirely in your reasonings about the MoE/Boring bit, but the rest certainly isn't accurate and likely there is more complicated reasons for why people do and do not play it

[tiny summit]

Hey @merry marten is the model for night stalker working as intended? Because others are saying it's not because I'm penning the gun part linked to the barrel.

[merry marten]

no clue. If people have any clips they should post to bug reports

[tiny summit]

I don't believe it is a bug to be honest I thought it was the dev team making sure it's balanced.

[twilit sphinx]

Many tanks have/had those bug like the vk72 or the FV225 i think its most likely just a typo in the armor thickness or they forgot to type in a number

[errant trout]

Ofcourse i dont know the sales😅 i just can say that i didnt see much nightstalker

[errant trout]

Not rly

Normally it shouldnt bounce because the cannon/Barrel is a module

[errant trout]

Previously, it was reasonably sustainable with the crowd at the nightstalker, only now that many get it, the tank is very much in abundance. the tank has just too good armor for its speed and dpm without a real weak point

[tiny summit]

The Sturm you can pen thru barrel.

[errant trout]

Because you shoot inside the Barrel, at the nightstalker the Barrel is not exist as a Module which is a bug

[tiny summit]

Then the Sturm should be fixed too

[merry marten]

the number of "new" nightstalkers is around a single digit % of the OG bought ones, yet the number of battles is many times higher. Similarly there are tanks that are not on sale or haven't had high volume of sales that have also increased the number of battles played substantially. A more likely reason for the extra play is because you get more points for the event playing event tanks, and so existing owners are playing them to get more points.

[errant trout]

That's clear that players want to play their new tank

I had a game today with 6 nightstalker, which is never seen before

[merry marten]

think you missed my point, the surge in battles in the tank is disproportionate to the sales. AKA it's mostly existing owners playing it more, not new ones

[errant trout]

No, because the sturmtiger has a damage able Module.
The nightstalker doesnt have a damagable gun because it has rockets

[errant trout]

Rly?

Let me check that quick😅

[merry marten]

ownership increased by single digit %, battles played increased by like 4 digits %

[merry marten]

not sure what you're checking as i have the data and you don't 😅 but knock yourself out? 😄

[errant trout]

I gonna check the battle with the 6 nightstalker

I check all the players I've met today, but of course I can't tell if they bought or earned, where I tend to earned mostly

[tiny summit]

It shoots rockets out of said gun?........

[errant trout]

u dont understand me, the rocket launcher himself cant be damaged

[tiny summit]

You can damage the gun the same as any other tank ? XD

[errant trout]

And that's why there's no module there that can be damaged.

[tiny summit]

I've destroyed a nightstalkers gun before lol

It works the same as any other tank only difference is it doesn't suffer accuracy but can be prevented from shooting if destroyed.

[errant trout]

It may well be possible, but I'm not sure

[tiny summit]

That would mean you can't destroy eastern alliance tanks barrels if this was true

[errant trout]

I dont care about coldwar

[tiny summit]

Well it's apart of the game

[errant trout]

Not for me

Its a different game with different mechanics.

[tiny summit]

???? Literally no arty, true vision and controllable rockets....and machine guns

[errant trout]

And other physiks

[tiny summit]

Some of which you have in ww2

[errant trout]

So, i checked all people from My own battles (which is not meaningful for everything) on Eu server

I meet 16 players and 15 of it have the nightstalker new

But i cannot proof if its earned or buyed

[final dragon]

I was in a tier 8 skota premium heavy tank firing premium aps side scraping it was going thru that with no issue and rammed me

I didnt even had time to find a weak spot on it
A weak spot reletive to my pen

[queen narwhal]

You can shoot down the barrel of any tank and take hp damage if there is enough pen for the spaced armor and any other armor.

[tiny summit]

I think there was a third tank I used to do it to but I forgot what it was...

[worldly quiver]

Yes but for tanks that have a lot of armor like the nightstalker. Usually there is a big plate behind it so it is hard to pen because it doubles up the spaced armor from the gun plus the armor behind that. And I think as well your pen will be less when it goes through the gun because it loses some passing through objects like tracks and also modules I think. Not 100 percent sure. You can see it quite good with the obj 268 version 5. It has 70 mm as the gun and then behind that 250mm of armor. So it will be very hard to pen that with the nightstalker it is just flat 50 pen I believe because as stated there is not even an armor plate behind the gun

You can also pen around the gun some small gaps which are in the armor model. That's a pen even with sturmtiger HE

[reef verge]

Oh gosh this point blank pixel shot sure invalidates the whole armor model

[broken quarry]

🙄 Going to let Everyone earn the tank then you want to nerf it…. 🤦🏼‍♂️

[worldly quiver]

That's not a real argument dude. They should have nerfed it before the Halloween Event. But they did not because just a few players played it, which in my mind ist not a real solution...
Now more people have it and will earn it, there is nearly one of them per Lobby if not more. And the tank is just to strong even though it has an armor bug.

[broken quarry]

Well dude I agree, but if you want to really tick off a lot of players nerfing it now is the way to go. 🤦🏼‍♂️

[worldly quiver]

The way to go is balancing the game and the tanks. That is important. If people get Upset so be it. Everyone should not that Wargaming can nerf a tank anytime if needed for better balance, and even without refunding. And I think more people will want this tank to get nerfed then WG to do nothing about it. As said they should have just done that before hand but I think they did not do it so know they have an excuse to not nerf it.

Balance should always be more important then players complain about a tank getting balanced for the better of the game. ALWAYS!

[whole jewel]

Only needed nightstalker nerf is dpm then also make its matchmaking 0+1

[bitter linden]

Thats fair

Or make it tier 10 with less dpm

[sweet pewter]

anything but that, we need more t9s anyway.

[twilit sphinx]

I would like to make its clip smaller also so people might yolo less because they cant one clip you

[bitter linden]

Wether we want more or not it quite literally is a tier 10. Better stats than some even

[sweet pewter]

maybe better than worst t10s, but average t10 is definetly better. also this tank meets t10 90% of time so what?

and those rockets really does balance this tank out, even with gold they still likes to bounce on most stupid places. once 1 of 6 shots managed to pen side of E 50 which wasn’t even spaced, i think it was bug but they still like to bounce a lot.

if those rockets actually worked like HEAT, it would have been op imo.

[bitter linden]

Definitely not broken😂

4th game ive played in it

First game was 8k and second was 6k. I have screenshot if you need

This thing has everything. Way to good

[bitter linden]

And if you think there armors not broken then here's this

Im blocking 4-5k consistently

[sweet pewter]

it depends on mm, on t10 mm it’s always less than 3k, on t9 and under it may be good.

similar to type 4 and t28 which are pretty much useless on t10 mm.

gun is good when it pens, but rockets just like to bounce on most random places.

is it broken: ❌
is it good: ✅

[reef verge]

There is literally screenshot above your comment where 3 of the 6 night stalkers did 4800+ in a tier 10 lobby 😂

[heavy wyvern]

So 3 man mono tank stacks are annoying and OP and allow for meta abuse?
Then please allow me to direct you too https://discord.com/channels/630895439520202783/1424990506445963345 where everybody hates me for suggesting we shouldn't allow that very thing to happen

[tiny summit]

Tier 10 match I had earlier they didn't do much.

[bitter linden]

No

Im talking about a specific tank

Platoons are fine

[heavy wyvern]

Then dont complain the next time you see it and get steam rolled cause WG released a new op premium. 🫡

[shrewd galleon]

🤨 what does that even mean

[shrewd galleon]

320+ prem shells will do that 💀

[shrewd galleon]

Skill issues. And comparing it solely to t10 matches is also dumb

[shrewd galleon]

Lmao, of course everyone wants the OP tank they want nerfed 🤣 use your head partner

[crystal dune]

There’s definitely something bugged with the rockets

330 pen shouldn’t be bouncing the flat side of tanks with no spaced armour yet they do consistently

And drive wheels. I had a tank perma tracked and bounced all 6 rockets in his drive wheel. Any autoloader with APCR and I would have penetrated every shot

[broken quarry]

That’s not what I said sport.

[shrewd galleon]

Then what did you mean by it? Seemed like you were upset that people want to nerf it, after they've earned it

[crystal dune]

Once the idiots all gets their hands on it the stats will come down

So they’re even less likely to nerf it then

[broken quarry]

No just that it was silly now folks want to nerf it!

[shrewd galleon]

Then call it some kind of justification

[shrewd galleon]

Its OP, nothing silly about wanting it nerfed

[broken quarry]

No screaming for it now that it’s available to Everyone is

[reef verge]

so let me get this right, now that it will be played in higher numbers effecting more games we should complain less?

[shrewd galleon]

Because it wasnt widely available

[shrewd galleon]

Yes

[reef verge]

its insane they didnt nerf it before halloween. Instead they focused on a handful of low tiers and then did nothing about them anyways 😂

[shrewd galleon]

Do you think it doesnt need a nerf?

[shrewd galleon]

They want people to earn it/buy it, means more people play the game

[broken quarry]

I actually thought it was nerfed awhile back although I’m not sure what was done. No I don’t think it needs a nerf, I just got it! 😂

[shrewd galleon]

Nobody wants a tank that they are playing to get nerfed

[broken quarry]

Thanks lord obvious. 😅

[shrewd galleon]

Atleast be original

[broken quarry]

Whatever bro just a joke. Stop taking games so seriously. Later

[tiny summit]

Easy tank to counter imo

[crystal dune]

Yes we proved the the other day when we showed a tier 7 can penetrate the gun mantlet

[summer tinsel]

They're weird, bounce flat angles, but can pen a 279 e ufp that is angled upwards

They act like super heat rounds some times

[heavy wyvern]

Literally the first comment is you complaining about the 3 stacking of an op tank(a valid complaint) then when I offer you the fix you said no. So the next time youre subject to that toxic behavior you asked for it, so you dont have a right to complain

[heavy wyvern]

Yeah do that at range with the guns pointed back at you. See how many times rng just tells you no

[bitter linden]

Its the tank not the platoons

For example 3 obj 257s are not gonna stomp a tier 10 match

[heavy wyvern]

You lack foresight and still dont get how it fixes current problems and future abuse that hasn't even been unveiled

[bitter linden]

Huh

Just balance tanks?

Platoons have been here for forever. Never been a problem

[heavy wyvern]

So you didn't say this? "It is way to good. 3 man platoons of them stomp a tier 10 lobby"

You addressed 2 problems
Op tanks
And mono 3 stacks

[shrewd galleon]

What?

I ain't say nothing about plats

[shrewd galleon]

3 night stalkers in a platoon can most def take over a t10 match, but 3 man plats aren't the problem.

[bitter linden]

What are you yapping about. I said for "nightstalkers" never said op tanks

Your trying to make it look like we are saying platoons are unfair

They are fine

You should actually read what we said before you go stating something untru

[crystal dune]

https://tenor.com/view/confusion-visible-confusion-orda-order-confusion-of-the-highest-order-gif-16018668670653226596

[tiny summit]

I love seeing them in tier 10s.... >.> Ez DMG for me!

Also when I see type 5s now very delicious. Or even arves because they got Uber nerfed

[sweet pewter]

blocking, not dmg.

[reef verge]

Still insane work for a tier 9 td that goes 48kph with 16hpt and 4115 dpm

[bitter linden]

Yessir

Yesterday I had 3 games over 9k damage with no bots in it

Its utterly insane

And that was after playing about 20 games

[summer tinsel]

There are also tanks that just cant pen it in its matchmaking frontally, which usually isnt an issue for other tanks. But usually tank with that level of armor are slow and or hullocked.

[shrewd galleon]

90 percent of tier 8s it faces, only has a 50/50 of penning with gold rounds 💀

[bitter linden]

Very tru

[crystal dune]

That’s 203 pen

[shrewd galleon]

Thats a very specific weak point that isnt able to be hit consistently. Thats like trying to shoot the is7 1mm commander hatch

The ball that the guns are mounted to is weaker than the hull tho, that is correct

[crystal dune]

WG: we care about player feedback about +1-1

Also WG: gives the night stalker away for free to everyone

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-chef-ramsay-get-out-gif-19590083

[tiny summit]

They care about me as a player 😄 I'm enjoying mine

[barren jolt]

But I thought the tank isn't op

[crystal dune]

It’s not, but the gun is broken. It’s more of a gimmick tank, and having 5-6 of the same gimmick tank on each side will create crappy matches

But you could achieve the same result with 6 Sturmtigers on each side if that was hypothetically a premium tank

Gimmick tank

Shoot anywhere do 700 dmg

[barren jolt]

Why does it have the same AVG dmg as most tier tens then

[crystal dune]

Because of the reload

Nuke that and the tank is fine

[barren jolt]

So a tier 9 having better dpg than most tier 10s isn't op

33/833 have more than 4k damage in the nightstalker, E5 has 41/1379 more 4k dmg

Over the last 90 days

[crystal dune]

I never denied the gun wasn’t broken, but the tank as a whole being OP? Well if it didn’t have that insane reload I think it would be pretty meh

It’s another one of tanks with armour that only works against lower tiers and the odd tier 9 with bad pen, so that’s nothing to write home about

[barren jolt]

A gun is like 70% of a tank

Not many tanks are good that have bad guns

[desert sandal]

Would it not be more fair to compare it with Tds as it is classified as a td?

[rose herald]

Just bring heat.

[barren jolt]

Doesn't act as a td

Rockets and bad shell velocity means it plays like a heavy/support heavy

Or assault td

[rose herald]

So a "Td " then

[rose herald]

this is the righ one

[barren jolt]

Not really any tds that are comparable to nightstalker with it's DPM

Most assault tds are built on high alpha not dpm

[rose herald]

badger, tortoise, at 15. 263, v4

[barren jolt]

Maybe the badge, but again my point is comparing it to one of the best tier 10s in the game currently

It's a point to highlight how strong/op the tank is

[barren jolt]

Also these have terrible gun arcs or are slow or even both

[sweet pewter]

thats what i’d call ”Tank Destroyer”

[summer tinsel]

And all of these are hull locked and still have less dpm than the stalker

The fact the night stalker gets a turret and is a high dpm autoloader

FYI the next closest autoloader in terms of dpm is the t57 heavy

And there is 1000 dpm difference stock between them

And its a tier lower

And is faster

And has more armor

And is stealther

I mean ive been playing some of my less high pen tanks at tier 8 recently, and some of them just cant pen a night stalker frontally other than a unintentional weakspot by the gun..... which wouldn't be an issue if it was a tortoise, because it has a cupola weakspot, is slow and hull locked. Or if it was a type 4 I couldn't pen, its slow and has awful dpm

The night stalker is a problem for players because it doesn't inherently have any downsides 🙂 I dont even hate the tank, I just see where people are coming from with this thread

[tiny summit]

People want a fat nerf to the gun but not sure how much more you can balance it, missiles rarely go through tracks, very slow projectile speed.

[summer tinsel]

Just make it a tier 10 and take a shell or 2 from its clip

[tiny summit]

I'd be ok with that atleast it keeps the identity it has then

[summer tinsel]

People will complain less if it has tier 10 matchmaking and it would feel less lethal with a smaller clip

[summer tinsel]

Exactly, nothing crazy for a nerf, just some needed balancing

[tiny summit]

I think it sounds fair for making it a 10

[summer tinsel]

Yeah I think that would do it aswell, people will want some other form of nerf though. But definitely needs to go to tier 10 with no buffs atleast

[sweet pewter]

t57 gets AP and HEAT which are much better than rockets.

[summer tinsel]

So that warrants a 1000 dpm difference? If your good with the rockets you can pen what yoy want too

[sweet pewter]

yeah but rockets bounce more often and are slower, on average i pen 40% of my rockets, while with AP and HEAT it’s like 70%.

night stalker is just so confusing tank, sometimes i do 8k dmg while sometimes 1.7k, nothing between.

[green kayak]

The rockets have the same pen mechanics as HEAT iirc

[tiny summit]

I feel like sometimes it's worse than heat...

[summer tinsel]

You shouldnt base a tanks ability off of your ability to use the tank

I know players who can play the night stalker perfectly fine

Pen all there rockets easily

And play the tank well

Without the rockets being an issue

They work similar to heat

Don't shoot tracks and you pen

These things have amazing angle performance

They can pen a is 7 ufp or a 279 e ufp angled upwards because of they're angle performance

But you definitely shouldnt make the argument its okay for this tank to have over 4k dpm because it fires rockets

When people very easily can pen a full clip. Its a brawling tank so the rocket velocity being low is irrelevant

[sweet pewter]

idk about is-7, but once i shot gold on 279’s ufp and it didn’t do anything.

[green kayak]

330 heat isnt consistent on a 279 so that checks out

[sweet pewter]

yeah i know.

[sweet pewter]

i think it’s more like support tank, at least on t10 mm, but it works as brawling heavy on t9 matches.

it’s armor is not consistent.

[rose herald]

Totally horrid thing to bump into with either AP or bad pen.

and yes its OP

but 50% of PB havent looked up how to kill it

[summer tinsel]

I can definitely argue otherwise

Go try it out in customs

Also in what world is 330 heat not good enough to go through a 279e ufp lol

Definitely is

[summer tinsel]

No offence but just because you one time shot a gold round at a 279e and it didnt pen doesn't exactly make for concrete evidence

[reef verge]

Angled up it really shouldn't, that ufp is very good in that position

[sweet pewter]

i shot around 3-4, i had to use rest on side because it didn’t pen.

[summer tinsel]

Well idk what to tell you, we must both be completely wrong then huh 🤔

[summer tinsel]

I only said angled up, not a 45 degree angle

[sweet pewter]

it could be RNG too.

[summer tinsel]

Because the rockets shoot out higher than your aiming when somewhat close, the rockets come down at a sharper angle which heat could never.

[summer tinsel]

Yeah I guess, I remember it quite well. Because I was very shocked I was penning it myself. But rng high rolling pen is definitely possible

[rose herald]

Heat will be pretty consistant but AP is 50/50

[green kayak]

That's not how pen works. AP will almost always have a higher pen chance than HEAT if they have the same base pen

[rose herald]

But shooting at slopped armour, you are better off with heat

279e

[green kayak]

No

That’s basic pen mechanics

[rose herald]

Because of the way slopped armour works, the angle is always increasing further back it hits. Auto bounce for ap. So if your shot high, you bounce. And it get too high very quickly with slopped armour : To the amount you are high

being high is easily bated, dodged, and angle can be changed quickly with slopped.

where angled armour, is all 1 angle.

above the smile on 279e with heat.

[green kayak]

lol. If the ufp of the 279e is angled enough to autobounce AP, no heat round in ww2 will pen that

[rose herald]

my leopard struggle with the front now

[green kayak]

Search “WoT pen mechanics” on Google and read

[rose herald]

Just test is, above the smil with heat. If he is hull down his turret is flat

just like "eggs". Left and right of egg. Never centre.

slopped

[green kayak]

Lololol

Literally normalization

[rose herald]

it was just bad advice on 279e. A stone cold should do it if he wanted

[rose herald]

and its about time the PB learnt what it is.

[green kayak]

Yeah it’s how AP pens better than heat

[rose herald]

normally higher velocity and goes through things

[minor escarp]

Please get this garbage out of the game

[cerulean notch]

The real issue with it is the 100% accuracy
If it cannot successfully pen 6 rockets it becomes weak

[sick iris]

I actually agree with the nerf, or moved to X because I don't give X a chance against it, let alone IX, because it has the best DPM in the game, armor like a beast, great penetration, 10 degree tilt and Camo, and realistically when these guys ride in a platoon, they are total brutes, they are capable of beating up an entire enemy team in three in a matter of moments, and you simply can't play with a normal tank.

[lone heath]

Skill issue

[sick iris]

It's not about skills, it's about one tank having everything op, I played it so I know, normally it fucks almost the entire IS7 on the magazine and in 15 seconds it's charged again and punches through everything and it itself punches through badly except into the guns where not every one goes through, it even beats the biggest beasts in the game and it has the highest dpm in WWII and that's IX, like if you're going to talk about skills then look at my stats I'm not that dumb.

[sweet pewter]

for some reason this tank is way better on monster mash than ww2.

yeah i’d prefer bär over this.

rockets arent just for me.

[worldly quiver]

That's ridiculous 😂😂🤙

[sweet pewter]

why play with rockets when you can have 305mm AP.

[molten pike]

Git good the night stalker is w4nk

You’re trash if you complain about night stalker

Sounds like massive skill issue

Imagine being outplayed by a 1300 wn8 player in a night stalker 🤣🤣🤣

Fake super unicums

Can only farm unicum stats when players have no hope in fighting back that’s why they want night stalker nerfed XDDDD

[crystal dune]

https://tenor.com/view/he-aintlyin-preach-truth-facts-tho-gif-15825744

Night stalker is to EZ to deal with

If you have more than 300 pen

Which is most tier 9’s and 10’’s

[whole jewel]

Make the fraud stalker MM 0+1 and its not OP

And like a slight reload nerf

[sick iris]

300 pene for penetration seriously, after all, tanks up to 350 pene also bother me, because it only has a small weakness in the guns where only 4 out of 10 shots will pass through because it is a very small spot smaller than the cap on the tank and then to the lowest part of the front hull, but it is also a small spot and does not pass through everything and if you take IX td for example. Obj. 704 has softer armor, camo-like and does not have a tilt and gives 750 damage in 14s with a penetration of 329mm, then there is the Stalker which has much better armor than Obj. 704 and even better than T95, camo similar and has a tilt and gives 6x 320 damage = 1920 damage in 15s with penetration of 330, if you don't see the difference, then you obviously fell from Mars, that's a brutal difference that no IX tank, let alone TD, can compare to and if this hasn't opened your eyes, then nothing will help you

[summer tinsel]

I mean Heat has a Richochet angle of 85 degrees and APCR is 70 degrees, by the basics from this alone, it allows heat to strike at sharper angles than AP or APCR without an auto Richochet. I mean especially against tanks with 40-50 mm of side armor, ap will auto Richochet a somewhat okay sidescrape, but HEAT requires you to be almost 90 degrees for the same results. Against high levels of armor at angles, APCR does give you a stronger pen, but HEAT has way better angle capability.

That said..... HEAT + Track = "we barely dinged them"

340 HEAT vs 326 APCR against a super angled OBJ 279 E

Very slight difference at this angle, but APCR has more leeway.

[sweet pewter]

never said night stalker was bad, it’s just not broken.

[rose herald]

yeah, this is mt point. Put a heat round above th smily bit on hull. The patch that is staring at you most. And you go through 279e with stone cold. But that perpendicular angle increases. It gets further away the more you go up

[summer tinsel]

It was more so going on about the HEAT vs AP argument

[rose herald]

I was too. Im talking game world application of HEAT ov AP. VS slopped. If you are both brawling, you only have AP, and he is using even a bit of Gun Depression, if he half knows what hes doing, give up. Shoot some thing else.

If i have heat, il just poke it right through.

They are different. I much like my AP on my tier 10 leo. But for facing a 279e, id rather the heat.

The issue we had was, the AP standard, only gets 268, the heat was only 1300m/s

Id love all 3 to be usable, not have 1 that is a "gold" round.

[summer tinsel]

I mean the comment you made was saying heat is better off against a sloped armor, which is true and false. As shown in the 2 pictures, the apcr has a higher chance of penning the 279 e at that angle, disapproving your logic.

[green kayak]

There’s no logic here. He’s talking in his own world

[summer tinsel]

Literally look at the 2 pictures provided in previous messages. The APCR has a higher chance of penning over the HEAT round. Just because you dont understand something doesn't mean theres no logic lmao

Embarrassing @green kayak

[rose herald]

You have to assume the 279e doesnt want to be killed. Id point a stone cold at that, the moment, i have height i go in. The patches you can pen, fair nuff. Now go use PC armour app, and put the 279e at the angle you will see it.

[green kayak]

Not you, the other guy

[summer tinsel]

Ah, apologies

[summer tinsel]

Why is a 279 e below you?

Any tank can pen a 279 below

Even standard rounds

[green kayak]

Something about a stone cold penning a 279e with 280 heat idk

[summer tinsel]

Well he said he'd have height before going in, so 🤷

As we all know, the preferred way to play the tank ofc....

[rose herald]

until he puts his tail in the ground and his armour increases x^2

[summer tinsel]

But you just said about getting height on the tank. Any 279 e worth the money will not let that happen

[rose herald]

drive 2 different shermens, the 2 different hulls.

[green kayak]

lol what

Idk if it’s rambling or some convoluted logic train you’re not sharing with us

In either case, at point blank range, AP/APCR will always outperform equal pen HEAT on thick armor

[rose herald]

you need to be, where ever you need to be. Im just trying to point out why a heat is better vs 279. The angle exponentialy grows

[rose herald]

a 279e isnt thick, its slopped

[green kayak]

When it’s sloped, the armor gets thicker

I honestly don’t know if you’re an idiot or just misinformed

[rose herald]

not if you hit it before it slopes off.

[green kayak]

Then it’s less thick

And completely irrelevant to the discussion either way lol

[rose herald]

You an imortal. Im putting up with a lot already.

[green kayak]

A leopard 1 prem round (328 apcr) at point blank will always have an equal or higher chance to pen a 279e vs a CAX prem round (330 heat)

[rose herald]

Slopped armour, by its very nature, cannot be thicker. When shooting at it, it acts like it is. BUT due to the constant changing of angle, if only one tiny bit is on due to angle. Aka "the shoulders" of the tank. Then heat will get him where AP will not.

Yes we are talking normalisation, of course we are, the 279e is squishy without normalisation

Heat has better normalisation, so Heat kills 279e better than AP ever will

[green kayak]

Heat has 0 normalization

[rose herald]

and normalisation is friend of 279e.

[green kayak]

Normalization reduces angle. You want normalization on rounds. Are you serious or trolling?

[rose herald]

the 279e exploits normalisation mechanics, heat removes that advanntage

how hard is this?

[green kayak]

Do you know what normalization is?

[reef verge]

Clearly that's a no

[rose herald]

yes

[green kayak]

Tell us what you think it is

[rose herald]

knowing when to fire heat at 279e. I likely know as much about it as you nate

[green kayak]

No, your actual definition. We need to figure out where the disconnect is happening

[rose herald]

no you dont. Im not going to be shown 2 flat pics of the 279e, i dont have 1. 2 of you hit up ghost town, go fight 1 of you in 279e,

[green kayak]

Exactly, the 279e is never flat so normalization always helps

Normalization reduces effect armor by reducing the effective angle of impact

[rose herald]

heat rounds dont auto bounce, they bounce when they dont have enough pen, if you are high by 5% vs slopped armour angle went up 20%. This is the 279e trolling your AP if they half good

[green kayak]

Go calc the upper plate effective thickness on the 279e at an autobounce angle for AP and tell me what HEAT rounds can pen

[worldly quiver]

Ap is always better against 279 front then heat, on a range where ap does not loss pen

And if they have the same pen

[rose herald]

honestly nate. What you struggling with. What ever im loaded, im sticking it in you 279e squishy, il come 1 v 1 with my 1 marked is4, we have same gun yes. I personally question the point of 1v1. But as a blue berry on that match up, im 50/50

[green kayak]

If the ufp (150mm) of the 279e is at an angle that’ll autobounce AP rounds, it has an effective thickness of 438mm

[green kayak]

The 279e is squishy against tier 10 premium

[rose herald]

it depenps what youve got/hes giving

[green kayak]

No. This is pure math. At an angle that AP auto bounces, only TDs high rolling HEAT can pen the 279e

[rose herald]

id throw 340 through it all day.

Is4

[green kayak]

Yeah we’ve established that it’s an easy pen for tier 10 prem

We’re not arguing that 340 heat is an easy pen, just that 340 AP is better

[rose herald]

but its ok, because not a lot of tanks have that? Stuff it guys, depends what you have got at the time. Lets face it, when was the last time you saw a well used 279e?

[rose herald]

i know what the maths say nate. But in game, you are for more likely to have heat at 330.

[green kayak]

What does actual in game stuff matter? AP is better than heat at the same pen

[rose herald]

But if im driving my is4. And i bump into 279e, e3, e4. Do i load 340, yeah i do,

it would be great if they had similar pen. But they dont

[green kayak]

So your argument is that tier 10 heat has more pen than tier 10 apcr? That’s not an argument lol. That’s just a fact

[exotic canyon]

The most over powered tank in the game imo.

10 degrees of gun depression
Good amour
Good Mobility
Good concealment
Best DPM in game.
Not effected by accuracy ( frees up more equipment and crew slots)

If we wish to continue heading in the right direction, with the balance changes to over powered tanks. Then the nightstalker has to be top of the list.

[sweet pewter]

those rockets does balance this tank out imo, if those rockets were replaced with AP/HEAT rounds then i would agree with dpm nerf.

it has high dpm for reason, rockets pen less often, it’s same thing with vads on cw with 16k dpm, it’s rounds rarely pen.

instead of nerf, whole tank needs rework.

[exotic canyon]

I appreciate the difference in opinion, but I don’t agree.

I have no trouble penning with the rockets, they work the same as HEAT, with exception that have slow shell velocity and are 100 accurate so don’t suffer from RNG on that expect.

If you are firing at range, and playing the tank as a more traditional tank destroyer, yes you will struggle to hit all your shots.

However this is not how you get the best out of the tank. To get the best out of the tank, you should be playing front line, and at that distance, is very easy to pen all 6x shots in your clip reliably. More so than most tank, as the rockets will land where you aim.

[bitter linden]

I agree all the way. Idk how some are saying its balanced

[bitter linden]

It dominates at heavys flanks. It can full clip tier 8s or almost clip tier 9s. Its so crazy

Needs to be nerfed

[sweet pewter]

at least i can get my refund, i don’t like it anyway.

[bitter linden]

When you buy tanks tho they are subject to change. Its always been that way

They dont HAVE to refund

Just saying

[queen narwhal]

If they want to lose more credibility and just be a low rate gacha game, then sure they don’t have to refund and people can stop buying.

[crystal dune]

Just don’t sit in the open

Ez

Only noobs get owned by night stalkers

330 pen is a lie

About as reliable of a penetration as HESH rounds

Rockets don’t act like heat at all, even heat is more reliable

WG just make it up

[torpid spruce]

6 rockets with no rng dispersion, insane armour with the only weakpoint being a TINY spot between the guns or a 250mm middle plate that youll almost never hit and even if you do congrats to took off 3-400hp out of its absurd 1900hp, now your on reload and it still has six rockets to instapen you with. Cant pen it? You cant even run away as it goes 50kmph, so just set down your controller because you aint doing anything now kiddo. He shot 6 rockets? Awesome he should be on a massive reload to compensate right? Loud incorrect buzzer 16 seconds. Thats lower than an ac mle 48 with a 3 shot autoloader at 440 alpha. Thats 1,320 clip potential for 33.3s reload versus 1,920 clip potential every 16 seconds....WHY!? That reload should be like 40 seconds to balance it out if they keep it as is.

[final ibex]

I have requested year ago and would request again, since now the issue is far more visibile as this piece of ... has been given away to anyone for just playing: WG pls fix this huge mistake adding the tank as it is atm. Tank with such dpm and no dispersion penalty, armor that actually works great, with almost no frontal weakspots - this just must be changed

[sweet pewter]

ok night stalker is kinda op when i started using gold rounds.

maybe solution is just to remove gold rounds?

it wasn’t that impressive with standard.

[sweet pewter]

or simply reduce alpha from them.

[bitter linden]

Reduce dpm

Its just like t249

It sucks at certain times but when it can get those perfect situations, it ruins someone's whole game

[sweet pewter]

reducing alpha would reduce dpm too.

[bitter linden]

Yes it would

Tru

[reef verge]

Dropping it down to low tier 88mm levels might work. 240 damage would bring it down to 3100 base dpm and a 1440 clip. Still extremely strong platform and dpm but it would give other autoloaders an advantage in burst damage while single shots would take less punishment peaking it

i dont think it would totally solve the issue but it would at least be better than now

[green kayak]

Just tier 10 it with no changes

[queen narwhal]

Why are you wanting to move everything to tier 10?

[green kayak]

Changing tier easier than complicated changes

[queen narwhal]

It’s not complicated to change a few numbers and not a substantial or significant change—but one that can be teased further as needed.

Moving tiers is a significant change, one that limits backtracking if it does not work. Players do not want substantial or significant changes to their paid for tanks. Not everyone wants to constantly play the crap show at tier 10.

[torpid spruce]

Istg if the devs ignore the outcry for the night stalker nerf im quitting. This bs tank is insufferable.

[sweet pewter]

it could work, but t10 is already more played than t9 so best option is just to nerf it.

[rapid cargo]

This need nerfing

[dusk otter]

real

same guy who was crying when wg did auto aim tests btw(you)

also i can just yolo ape you dump six rockets into you and come out with one shot of damage

literally this tank is way to easy to play and is comically op

literally almost all my games in it have been 5k to 6k plus

cause nobody can really counter it

hell i aped a e100 and he couldn't do squat to me

[dusk otter]

oh yeah thats a skill issue

cause i pen literally everything

just say you cant play the nightstalker and thats only reason why u think its balanced

theres no shame in being so bad at the game you cant make the nightstalker work

like i swear all fuzzy does it talk out his behind

[dusk otter]

this is ur only argument and its completely invalid

genuine skill issue if u cant make 280 pen and 330 pen rockets work

definitely trying to snipe in ur nightstalker arent u boi

[dusk otter]

a 279e tried to ape me in my nightstalker

so what did i do

I killed him in 2 clips

dude realized he couldn't do anything to me but his reverse speed wasnt gonna save him

[green kayak]

Sounds about right. Need to pen ~2/3 of the shots over 2 clips. About right for 330 heat

[dusk otter]

I only took a singular shot of damage that game btw

it was only from him cause

I overpeaked

I thought my pre nerd arve was easy to play

or fv42111 before german tanks were added into cw

but this thing takes the cake

and worst of all they give it out for free

[subtle osprey]

This is dumb

[subtle osprey]

On list of all t9 and t10 its top2

Win rate

[green kayak]

Shoutout to the Rogal for being hilariously busted. But yeah the Nightstalker has no business being a tier 9

[barren jolt]

Even at tier 10 with no adjustments, it would still be a top performing tank

[green kayak]

It’d be a better than average tier 10 but I don’t think it reaches the top tier. I’d still rather see a Nightstalker than a well played e4, Rogal, technodrome, taran, Murat

[errant trout]

Exactly

[torpid spruce]

Ong, its frontal plate definately IS NOT only 250mm thick if a 332mm apcr shell still has the orange indicator meaning maybe it will pen....

[sweet pewter]

it depends on angle, of you are fully facing enemies, tanks will pen it easily, but if you slightly angle then it will be more effective, just don’t angle too much since you will expose side armor completly.

but agreed armor is still too strong for it’s mobility.

nerfing armor to 230mm will help.

[sweet pewter]

my ”gun” rework suggestion:

• shell types: rocket/rocket/rocket -> AP/APCR/HE

• gun type: autoloader -> double barrel

• reload: 18s -> 9s (2,133 dpm)

• shell velocity: 580/605/585m/s -> 945/1,181/945m/s

• accuracy at 100m (still): 0.20m -> 0.33m

• accuracy during turret rotation: 0.48m -> 0.66m

• aim time: 2.1s -> 1.7s

probably not these exact changes but at least get idea.

[worldly quiver]

I like that

[torpid spruce]

You want to give it MORE dpm?

It already has 1920

[worldly quiver]

But with a double Barrel it will be way worse then with the autoloader it has now

[torpid spruce]

The game needs to slow down not speed up

Sub 5 minute games are already an issue lets not contribute to it more imo

[worldly quiver]

Brother that would slow down the game with this tank✌️😂 because now it just can full on yolo you an clip you out, which would then not be possible anymore

And btw it was 4.2k dpm now

Has*

[torpid spruce]

I looked on the wotma site, iirc it said 1,920dpm

[worldly quiver]

9 second reload for 320 alpha with double Barrel gun is fair

I dont have a picture...otherwise i would Show you

[torpid spruce]

Oh wait no i see, 1920 PER CLIP

My bad

[twilit sphinx]

1920 is the clip size 6x320

[torpid spruce]

Its 6:30am my brain aint braining

[worldly quiver]

😂

All good

[torpid spruce]

All ik is when i loaded prem on my conqueror and aimed at the lower plate it was orange. It was roughly head-on with me, slightly angled, no way i should ever bounce that shot...ill let you guess what happened XD

[reef verge]

They finally did something about the Night Stalker... oh wait that's removing its one frontal weakspot for lower tiers

[sweet pewter]

one bug less on the game.

[worldly quiver]

A bug is not a weak spot mate. Yes it need one but it should be Intentional. ✌️ like lower plate or smth like that

[reef verge]

I agree but until it gets actually nerfed all this does is make it even more annoying to fight.