Enough is enough .

[bold fiber]

What?

[wary crater]

Something co-op related, but ngl i have close to no clue what.

[bold fiber]

Its a lot of words that dont really say much.

[rare mica]

This game was always PvP oriented in the first place. I hope we will find back to this time.

[stark sierra]

You would have to delete about 40% of the tanks in the game to do that and that is NOT including coldwar tanks at all . Not to mention i am damn sure you do not really want that given all the vocal players still to this day crying for arty nerfs across the board but I hope you or I get what we want either way it would be better than what they have given us and forced the playerbase to do just to get by . Obviously I am hinting at broken tank after broken tank changing the meta from update to update and all of that was not an issue for the first years of the game and tbh wasn't much of an issue for most of the game as a whole so later part of its run so far .

[stark sierra]

I didn't stop playing pvp because I couldn't keep up , I simply am disgusted by the devs actions to push gimmick after gimmick in some wild game of throw darts till something sticks type of chaos . Yet never actually making a good decision on purpose and even completely screwing over great fun ideas that we all fondly remember .... example tog boat battles , wildly fun and just simply unhinged in every way that made wot stand out ... reduced to a cash purchase and only a hint of what it was .... you can buy the tank and thats it . Just a memory of something that was fun and now kept alive only by contribution content by loosely supported non employed content creators . Think about that ... something that was enjoyed only kept alive by players that love the game so much they have stood ten toes on business and said they were not letting the tog die . Sad that the devs didn't use that interest and expand upon it and no I am not talking about warships tho I am sure someone was reading that thinking that was where I was going . Its the non standard game mode and a break from the grind that is as much of a fun killer as the meta itself .

[rare mica]

Playing against bots is just lame in my opinion. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[jagged prawn]

I didn't understand anything said rly

[sleek sable]

Is he really complaining about co-op?

[stark sierra]

And that is fine no where in my crash out did I ask you to like what I do nor did I complain about what you like to do all I asked for is equal exp gains thats it . Is that too much to ask ? Would that destroy your game play ??? Someone playing coop getting decent exp to unlock tanks gonna wreck your world that much really ?????

[jagged prawn]

Thats the whole point co op is easy so you should get less xp. Is that what your talking about?

Because multi-player should reward more for doing good as its more challenging and games are longer

[rare mica]

Just saying it should not in the game. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[stark sierra]

Does that hurt your gameplay ? Are your gains effected? I simply do not want to participate in that side of the game yet I have to play 120 matches capped at average of 575xp for 20k damage 20k blocked 6 spotted and not dying . What does the gains on pvp side with stats like that net ? Not everyone wants to deal with you people and by that I mean the meta whales buying every net tank the second it drops because you already know its broken af .

[jagged prawn]

Yes it affects me. Because now people will only play this mode to farm and earn tier 10s. Also will put strain on the multiplayer matchmaker as it will have less players there. This also will make the player base more dumb than it already is because they will be grinding against bots. So yes it hurts everyone's gameplay

This game never used to have co op and people were fine. It should of stayed that way

[stark sierra]

Yall dont care about bot players thats fine how about stop making decisions for us then eh ?

Oh and list just separate coop and pvp then , buy a tank in coop then that is where you own that damn tank there your problem is fixed , NEXT !

[jagged prawn]

They ain't doing all that man. For the 5% that may enjoy it. They cater to the majority remember

Like ive never net a single player who plays co op consistently

We cant even get things balanced in this game or things people always ask for like +1-1. Im sure this is the least of they're worries

[stark sierra]

What too hard for them to make more money ? You arguing for them not making more money ? Didn't think it though all the way eh ? All my coop tanks would have to be purchased again for pvp seems like a cash cow if you ask me and that way I get away from your bs and you from mine right ?

Only pvp I care about is events and that is completely situational at best .... not giving them a damn inch they have proven to be found wanting .

[jagged prawn]

That ain't bringing in the money bro. People dont even care about the mode to begin with

Littlerly no one plays it, they would not make alot of money so yes I thought it through

[shrewd pasture]

So what's the premise of this thread something about coop im lost

[stark sierra]

Seriously I want EVERYONE TO HELP ME HASH THIS OUT ! what other reasons is there to not separate coop and pvp tanks i mean you gonna tell me in my 9 years of playing this damn game that I haven't helped support it ? That i haven't paid for things that I haven't done everything I can to get all the exp I am able to ???? So im just not worth it ? My money doesnt count , my 9 years of console play and 80 premium tanks just on playstation alone doesnt count ? Hint I am not the only one that plays coop I see the regulars and the occasionals and yeah I even try to avoid them tbh crossplay off is a beautiful thing .

[jagged prawn]

He thinks you should earn the same xp in co op as in multiplayer

[stark sierra]

Separate coop and pvp garages. What else ?

[shrewd pasture]

Oh while I like that idea it aint gonna happen

[jagged prawn]

Problem is people would just farm every grind there

And playe base wouldn't learn. New players would be dumb

[merry trout]

multiplayer needs to earn more, straight up. Thats the replayability of the game, thats the original spirit, and its matches are longer with higher competition

[stark sierra]

Nope won't happen but if I dont stir the %#&$ from time to time it gets boring with only the devs having all the fun .

[shrewd pasture]

I've accepted that coop wont get the same earn rates as a coop main I've just happy I do full damage against bots now

[stark sierra]

They would still have to grind the pvp tanks ya dink

[jagged prawn]

+1-1 had like 100 upvotes and has been praised for years. Still ain't here🤷‍♂️

[shrewd pasture]

At minimum id like silver earn to be equal but even then I dont see that happening

[stark sierra]

But if coop and pvp garage tanks were separated what would that matter ?

[jagged prawn]

But there's no point if its a small percentage of players that want it

Needs to be like atleast 40% of the players base

[shrewd pasture]

As much as I don't care for pvp nowadays I agree it's the soul of this game without it it would die

Ive done 85%+ of all cw tt grinds through coop and done like 25+ seasons through it as well

So as someone who plays it mostly id like it to be better but it just ain't realistic

[stark sierra]

Im not saying touch pvp leave it to its own but do the same with coop

Treat each one as it is already setup as , a separate game mode

That doesnt mean take away from one to better the other like the devs have done

[merry trout]

i dont think that would be all that popular. I know its kinda common to use Co-op for stock tank progression

[jagged prawn]

But you have to have a lot of players to use it in the first place. The game is divided enough with CW. This will only divide it more

[stark sierra]

That is a problem ? You gonna tell me after years of watching them spin crap into hype it cant be done here lol

[shrewd pasture]

Coop is also objectively the best for cheesing season challenges

Also events like the recent bov event

[merry trout]

that to lol. Whenever co-op is an option for any challenge that isnt xp based, its the fastest by far

[shrewd pasture]

Oh I need 18k block damage welp load up the bz-176 and yolo into a wall of bots

[stark sierra]

I mean effectively this would give the chance to double gains from 1 tank being added to the game

We all want to get challenges done fast and go back to what we like am I right ?

[shrewd pasture]

Exactly

[stark sierra]

I am not asking to be given anything but a fair shake at the tree of exp and tbh if anything i am asking for the chance to buy tanks with excitement again ... buy a crap prem tank in coop meh its still fine ( as long as it isnt "Sheridan" bad ) but if its fun and a solid tank ho buy it again for pvp . Bank for devs . None of us is scared to buy a tank dont even try that bs joke . With separate garages we get wins and so do devs and I still won't play the pvp side on principle unless thaley made real advancements that none of us see them doing

[jagged prawn]

Yes. Less players to go around. Ita already killing the game

[stark sierra]

And that should NOT FALL ON ME TO SUCK IT UP

[jagged prawn]

Just make another game idk. It should be so divided. No game should be so divided. People left cause of cw. This may do the same

[stark sierra]

I should not have to fight while you can uolo with a scout and get better gains period

[jagged prawn]

Be realistic tho. Even if you may enjoy it will it happen? Short answer is most likely no. Like I said there's been things that players have wanted for years and things that would make them money. Yet they haven't done them

[sand sail]

You only play co-op ?

The bots cheat in co-op

[stark sierra]

They spun autocannons that we all knew was gonna be a new level of dark and pvp ATE IT UP ... cant tell me they couldn't make big bank on this idea and make you all love it to with the same kind of spins you all keep buying into .

How many of you got the ultimate pass not for the commander but for the tank ?

Knowing full well with equipment changes and backlash from the other autocannon tank bs you still wanted the tank eh ? And yall think a separate garage for pvp and coop wouldn't work lmfao !!!!!!!

[shrewd pasture]

I play it like 95% of the time

But with this update im probably gonna play mp again

Didn't like how mp was before the update

[sand sail]

So why didn’t you play multiplayer before ?

What were the main reasons ?

[shrewd pasture]

Td meta

For ww2

And proxy camo nonsense for cw

It just ticked me off

[stark sierra]

I still smile when I see your name and it still makes me sad too . ( had a good friend by the name of TURNMYFRAGGONN that passed away way too early he was a solid good upstanding man . )

[sand sail]

The op premiums as well ?

[shrewd pasture]

Also I just have a bit of a anger issue so playing mp dosen't do that any good

[shrewd pasture]

That's unfortunate

Never easy when that happens

[shrewd pasture]

Generally the annoying crap in both modes were premiums

[stark sierra]

I played pvp for the first years on and off the fog of war spotting bs never sat well with me and the other side of the coin is warthunders insta death spawn to spawn sniping bs .... cold war is kinda a sweet spot tbh and the tanks dont feel so lethargic and just crappy

[sand sail]

Premiums have ruined the game

[shrewd pasture]

I dont hate the og spotting system but I prefer the cw mode

[sand sail]

The op ones

[shrewd pasture]

I used to really like ww2 during the old days of the game

360-one era

[stark sierra]

I dont have an issue with them because I do not play pvp and frankly event is as far as I am willing to cross the line and if coop or cw is removed then im gone man straight outta here

[sand sail]

They are still a problem even in co-op

[shrewd pasture]

To a extent I guess but generally what made most premiums op was either camo or dpm which both have gotten nerfed

[sand sail]

The belka and 477 are still the same

[lunar crater]

That's hilarious co-op and cw are products of bad players constantly crying

[stark sierra]

Been here 9 years just doing my own thing only becoming yalls problem mostly during Halloween where I tend to stay in the top spots of the lobby and hounding sinister like a shadow

[shrewd pasture]

Like for example the era2 elc na2 ss.12 had 35m camo and 55m moving now it's 183m stationary like 218m moving a absolute massive nerf

[sand sail]

It still has too many hit points

[shrewd pasture]

That's a different issue

[shrewd pasture]

Looking forward to monster mash always fun

[stark sierra]

I literally last year got a game winning jump shot in the main view of sinisters stream ... 7 kills that match

[sand sail]

Especially when it can hit you for 1200 damage

[shrewd pasture]

1200 aint that bad

[stark sierra]

But I must suck cause I farm bots and cw and coop is for bad players -_- trash meta brainwash bs

[shrewd pasture]

There's tanks that hit harder potentially

[sand sail]

It’s almost half your health

[shrewd pasture]

Coop is just ment to be the chill simple mode i dont see the issue with it

[stark sierra]

120 matches to gain 60k exp

[shrewd pasture]

It's a td It's supposed to be powerful im not getting into that discussion again

[sand sail]

It use to be but now the bots hit you when their guns aren’t even pointing at you

[stark sierra]

If you pulled the same #'s in pvp maybe be done in 80 at worst

[shrewd pasture]

Yeah sure the xp being less is annoying but if that's the sacrifice to have a pve mode then ill tolerate it

[lunar crater]

@shrewd pasture co-op removes players from pvp play. The more player the matchmaker has to choose from the better matches you get. Splitting the player base is bad for the game right now

[stark sierra]

Im saying there isnt a logical argument that says you have to tolerate jack squat

[sand sail]

If the game was better there would be less people playing co-op

[lunar crater]

Co-op shouldn't exist

[sand sail]

I disagree

[stark sierra]

And that is you opinion man but should I have to suck up anything at all so you can enjoy the game you like ? The answer is no. Nothing else is acceptable.

[shrewd pasture]

Literally wouldn't matter if wotma had more player's even then to wargaming it's whatever because it's the same population just spread out

[stark sierra]

Let me make this clear I will be the "karen" thats fine but I am sick and tired of having to grind 4x longer to get things done and the devs can change it and they can make it work for everyone's gain players and game economy alike expecting anything less and accepting anything less is why the game is in such a bad shape as it is .

So get used to seeing my name and seeing my bs rants I will stand my damn ground for as long as this game is here for me to enjoy !

[lunar crater]

ADHD and instant gratification players are a huge problem with this game.

[stark sierra]

Hence why my old rear won't go to a dr .... id walk away with more abbreviation words in my file than words according to newer medicine .... but do they have a pill to make me happy to pvp in wot ? ( no they dont )

[stark sierra]

Also I want more suggestions on how to make this more palatable to devs and you pvp lot as well.

I have spent possibly way more than I want to admit on wot across 4 systems and 3 different versions of the game. Obviously I am willing to pay to not deal with pvp bs again I mean thats basically what im getting at like I dont care if I need to pay a bit 🙃 I already have for 9 damn years but id be more willing if it meant I got xp gains that are reasonable for the time and effort and I didn't have to grind for days on one tank that is on the lower half of the tech tree ( later on tanks makes sense big upgrades and all that but for a small gain in accuracy and reload only I shouldnt have to play 80 matches where I kill 11 or more block 20k damage and deal 20k or more for 1 upgrade that isnt something that can really help at all .

[jagged prawn]

Exactly what I said. They didn't like that😂

[jagged prawn]

Its not 4x as long because your getting way faster games. Like average game for ww2 multiplayer is like 5-6 minutes. For co op its like 3 minute games. You should be rewarded more for actually having skill in multiplayer rather than just yoloing bots in co op takes 0 skill wether you wanna here it or not

[stark sierra]

I dont mind hearing your opinion at all and it helps keep the convo moving and current too so win/win . Also let's be clear you Yolo in pvp do that in pve lol and you will be the new "dark" ( a friend that thinks thicker armor means he can sit in the middle of an open area and get 360'd by bots and not take damage ... he doesnt play any more lol couldn't cut it due to the kaijus opposing appearence and gameplay it demands )

Also trying to actively kill the entire enemy team takes longer than 5 or 6 minutes when half the tanks dont deal that Huge td alpha damage with insane reloads ... hell my fav only hits for 550hp as an era 3 tank i can name 40 tanks that does more per shot with similar reload times or even better with overall better specs per tier or era

Or crazy ac melt ability of some newer tanks meaning most tanks i play are not the broken meta you all crutch on for wins and yall still defend that toxic side of the game so hard certain that pve players would mean the games downfall .... I bet you it won't be .

Forbid if any dev passes this idea on to other tank games and one of them jump on it .... that would be the end of this franchise tbh I definitely see wot going the way of dauntless if some dev made a tank game that gave players better choices including xp gain for all players and kept pvp and coop separate. Rip wot

And no my idea isnt perfect and a bunch would need to be done to make it work but what is the downside ? Players still can play pvp i can still play coop my tanking won't interfere with yours and your won't with mine either , clearly the devs themselves couldn't pay me to play pvp that isnt an option and not something I am willing to give ground on at all for anyone other than myself and those who play coop like me .

[stark sierra]

Oh and to clarify i give a rats patooty about pvp players count about as much as yall care about the opinion of bot farmers , the game has survived most of the 9 years i have been playing without me in pvp the whole time and I think it would do just fine if not better with the mentioned changes give or take points depending on how hard we can break the devs .... and yeah the playerbase can indeed break them ..... not that any of you understand that like you should .

[jagged prawn]

Well so far this thread only has downvotes🤷‍♂️

[stark sierra]

Lol you think i wasn't fully aware of the crappy toxic mentalities in this community ??? 🤣 if you only knew .

[bold fiber]

Its not due to crappy mentalities, its that people disagree with you.

[jagged prawn]

Well said

[bitter minnow]

@stark sierra holy incoherent word salad bro pack it up

[cunning merlin]

In my opinion coop should never have been a thing and should get removed, it takes server capacitiy and the players playing it do nothing fot the multiplayer and for that reason nothing for the community. People can as well achieve some Mission like the upcoming nightstalker easier and for example banners of Valor was a hugh issue with coop CW farming These easy point to get unlumited chests for free the easy way without learning anything about playing the game. A mode against bots in a Grinding and strategy game is just smth that does not really make sense and leads to players using it to grind tanks without knowing what they are doing and learning anything whilst grinding to then take the tier 10 tank possibly into multiplayer and just getting farmed..really not ideal

[stark sierra]

You seem to share the mindset of quite a few of the players and that is rather concerning given im pretty sure we all own our own gaming systems and this isnt a communist country . I play nice toxic games that are kinda worth it wot isnt one of them and the only part of the game that is fun to be a bit toxic in is the events particularly the monster mash given the extras in the mode and theme . Normal ww2 pvp is nothing akin to anything that got the attention for wot to start with and I know I am not the only one that sees what they have done to the ww2 side of the game and want nothing to do with it and thats from someone who owns 72 of their willy nilly given premiums i even traded quite a few away and still have premiums all the way up to ten ( granted the tier ten i have is good to look at .. part of the reason I did go after it . ) have about as much interest to use that in a pvp match as you all have in understanding not everyone wants to play some broke version of hide and seek where you cant see something unless its spotted for you ... watching tanks 100m away turning invisible when the are the broad side of a barn is an absolute riot and not in a good way ... but according to you and many others I what ? am not a wot player ? Haven't supported the game ? My opinion doesnt matter because I dont and refuse to buy into the cat and mouse game of should I buy this new premium tank or jump on this ultimate season pass for this guaranteed tank cause its the most broken thing till they nerf it ... thats boring , a bit pathetic 🙄 and sounds like that bull that bungie started in Destiny what was it oh yeah FOMO ... its stupid over there and worse than that over here on wot 😒 its created this lame misunderstanding that I must play the game with YOU and I MUST be good and I MUST have earned my tanks 😑 .... children ... listen. Not everyone wants to be the best tanker , not everyone wants to use every toxic trait , mindset and dig for every and all advantage to win.

Some of us just want to get on the game cut up have fun and not deal with all the drama with your own pvp community . I play toxic enough pvp games GBO2 being the worst and yeah it is toxic af . Wot isnt a game I play to jump into pvp and deal with you lot who thinks if you dont win that means you suck thats dumb also this whole they get the tank too early before they learned how to use it .... THEN WHY ARE THE TANKS SOLD FOR CASH IF THATS A CONCERN 😑

[bitter minnow]

Incoherent word slop

[cunning merlin]

I dont really think that you understand what i am saying, and i dont think that you know that wargaming is just Looking for profit which is why tier 9 and 10 tanks have been Sold. Because that is really nothing that is healthy for the game. But i get your point. The thing is just that it is a shame to me that we have an okay amount of players online every day, but because of the 4 different modes, ww2, coldwar and the coop Versions of both modes that player base is split into 4 pieces which just makes the players per mode way less then it could be. And that would not be an issue if all players play other modes then ww2 for example because they really want to. There are quite a lot players that play coop because it is easier for them to grind and then take the tank into multiplayer and there are a lot of players farming silver in coldwar for example to then spend it in ww2 just because it is faster to do. I dont think it is good for the game to populate some of these modes more just because players have an advantange if they do so.

But that is just my opinion. In my mind it does not make sense. If you wanna play coop alright, go for it. Put then everything you earn there should only be accessable to you in coop. Not multiplayer, same goes for ww2 and coldwar.

[jagged prawn]

I agree

Bro says so much that I loose what hes trying to say

Doesn't rly matter talking here anymore. It ain't getting added cause nobody's asking for it😂

[bitter minnow]

Lowkey jus delete co op and merge cw and ww2 and add back +1-1

[cunning merlin]

Merge cw and ww2? Hell no🤣🤣 no real ww2 player want these rocket shitheads and autocanons in ww2. We don't need that.✌️

[stark sierra]

Lol reading comprehension is a thing .

[bitter minnow]

Oh i forgot all about that

My f

[stark sierra]

The most a ww2 tank would see is an era 2 tank in that setting .

Excuse me era 1

[bitter minnow]

The rockets are just in era 2 and era 3 tanks rights

[stark sierra]

Yeah

[cunning merlin]

I don't care. Coldwar and ww2 need to be completely split. Not merged

[stark sierra]

Ac doesnt start till era 2 same with atgm I believe and tier tens would be fighting tens and era1 tanks that mostly are just tens and I think a few 8's bumped up in dumb ways

Want cw players to merge then fog of war has gotta go

No questions about it , maps gotta get larger and you all do not want that lol

[cunning merlin]

So you telling me people want +1-1 and they would not care about having coldwar merged with ww2 so that the whole meta will change and even your tier 10s are not top tier anymore?🤣🤣 have fun dude. That's funny

[jagged prawn]

Noooo😂

[cunning merlin]

Merging them would be worse then when they introduced coldwar🤣

[stark sierra]

Not what I car for that was what was being talked about lol

[jagged prawn]

Cw shoulda been project CW. That simple

Now they have 2 games with CW

[cunning merlin]

Yes

[jagged prawn]

No idea why they thought to do that

[cunning merlin]

And two game in one in world of tanks

[cunning merlin]

Getting new players to join

[proven violet]

our Cw was the testing ground for that game

[cunning merlin]

They did not think about the issue and that the playerbase will spilt. And one of the reasons cw is still alive is that ww2 player can farm silver there

I would predict if they spilt the currency, CW would be insta dead🤣🤣 like there would be so many bots. That's why WG is not changing that, because it really make no other sense then keeping Cw alive. Other then that it is just stupid

[jagged prawn]

I agree

[cunning merlin]

I would love to see a week long test with split currency. Just to see what would happen to the playerbase, how they would split up

[jagged prawn]

I only play for silver

[cunning merlin]

Many do

[severe jasper]

Smh. This was a long read for nothing... Reasons why they have co-op and pvp... Shouldn't be able to grind tanks playing against bots.

[jagged prawn]

Exactly

The guy just rambles and rambles

No one asks for this

[severe jasper]

There is an older you tuber who says the same things and bashes the game yet spends hundreds on chests lol.

[jagged prawn]

I think i know who your talking about 😂

[severe jasper]

Some old guy with glasses... Only plays low tier... Deletes anyone's comment that doesn't agree with him 😂

[stark sierra]

Frankly the more everyone talks about coop the more devs will have to do something with it one way or another and it seems you be stirring "it" all up decently . Doubt you will get me to delete a comment tho . Its all adds to the pile in the end .

Seem " to " be stirring ( idk why this damn program keeps changing small words even tho it's off lol )

[sand sail]

Does he do that ?

[severe jasper]

Every single time. I tried to help him learn how to possibly progress on the game by offering advice and he removed it lol. But any single person that disagrees or offers help.. he deletes their post. Only wants those who share same thoughts and ideas posts to show 🤦

[sand sail]

That’s quite sad

[severe jasper]

Co-op is irrelevant. Only time I use it is to try out a new tank before taking it into battle. To me it sounds like you only play co-op which makes me question if it's just because you A) aren't good enough to play against pvp. B) you maybe don't know how to play in pvp. Co-op is boring and they need to leave it how it is.

[severe jasper]

Right?!

[lean ginkgo]

You in your own with this one 😭

And I’ve agreed with some pretty heinous things people said towards devs but your onto nothing 😭

[bold fiber]

Dude legitimately types out hundreds of words to ultimately say nothing.

It also doesnt help that it all reads like a single run on sentence.

[shrewd pasture]

Like damn I thought I was the coop main

Bro lore dumps each reply lmao

[torn sparrow]

wha

[dense widget]

wut

[jagged prawn]

Huhh