Platooning rebalance

[misty mirage]

I'm 16

Can't vote stupid

[wide plume]

Lord help you im sorry youre here

[misty mirage]

I'm more mature than you

So why you apologising

You should be apologising for your immaturity and ignorance

[wide plume]

Tanks have different stats(just like characters)
Please keep making my points for me then say "you tried" like a 🤡

[silver isle]

Different tank stats are not equivalent to special abilities lol

[misty mirage]

But characters in overwatch have different roles to play tanks are different to human characters

[silver isle]

Where is your tank stat that allows you to win the game?

How are you guys charging your ults cause I can't see mine on screen

[misty mirage]

Lmao

[wide plume]

Would you not say a massive mag being dumped instantly is a special ability when i in this example have just a main cannon.....

[silver isle]

Not if a bunch of other tanks also have magazines

That's called variety

[misty mirage]

The only game with humans + tanks you could compare would be bf5 or 4

Tbf

Cuz tanks there have stats and upgrades

Funnily enough tanks on there have roles

Same with warthunder tanks on there also have roles to play

[wide plume]

My brother in christ please just say you dont want fair games at this point.

[misty mirage]

There are no "fair games"

[silver isle]

I want fun games

That I can play with friends

Without a bunch of limitations

[misty mirage]

Video games will always be unfair

[silver isle]

Still trying to figure out how to use the CC ability on my E100 that is so annoying that 3 of them is too much for the game

Cause you know, tanks = characters

[misty mirage]

Lmao

[vapid pulsar]

This thread is living proof of fun>fairness. Fun is how enjoyable things are for the 30 people in the lobby. @wide plume doesn’t have fun with OP platoons but the rest of us think it’s more fun

[silver isle]

I'd rather have OP platoons than a bunch of limitations

[misty mirage]

^

[vapid pulsar]

E100 has great CC. Secondary gun tracking with HE

[misty mirage]

The wall of kv-220

[silver isle]

It's a joke

Cause he seems to think unique overwatch characters with abilities = tanks

[wide plume]

I guarantee nobody on my team thought this match was fun. They were all victims practically
I didn't have fun and I did good.

[misty mirage]

They probably just complained to themselves and moved on or they just didn't care

You can't guarantee someone's reaction

[wide plume]

I think I can say with 95% confidence only 3 people in this lobby had "fun"

[misty mirage]

Again you can't guarantee reactions man

[silver isle]

Considering most players reaction to anything in this game is "Move on, adapt, or uninstall."

Yeah

[wide plume]

Im sure that t92 had a blast🤡🤡🤡

[misty mirage]

Some people don't care about the match

They care about dmg tbf

[silver isle]

Would rather fight 1 toxic platoon once in a blue moon than have a bunch of limitations

[misty mirage]

^

[wide plume]

Look at that picture and tell me it was a fair game.....that all 30 dudes involved thought it was fun

[silver isle]

Didn't say it was

But you don't know if they thought it was fun either

[wide plume]

Then why have you been fighting me so hard....

[vapid pulsar]

That’ll happen when 3 good players join up regardless

[silver isle]

Because fun > fair

[wide plume]

27 people didn't have fun.....how is that fair

[misty mirage]

Arcade games focus on fun

[silver isle]

You don't know this

[misty mirage]

Not fairness

You can't make an arcade game fair otherwise it moves into a different genre

[silver isle]

You can't say 27 people didn't have fun

You can YOU didn't have fun

Some people have fun by legit just loading into a battle

[wide plume]

Please for the love of god stop lying to yourself and making excuses

[silver isle]

Lol

[misty mirage]

You're the one making excuses

Just pack it in meat

You aren't winning this at sll

All*

[silver isle]

Your version of fun isn't everyone's version of fun

[wide plume]

Its not an excuse im point out an objective fact😐

[misty mirage]

You're just a lazy old bum that whines.

[silver isle]

No you didn't

[severe bane]

I disagree with this post

[silver isle]

27 people not having fun by your claim is not an objective fact

[misty mirage]

You immediately move onto to exposing stats of others

[wide plume]

4 were literally denied the chance to do anything....

[misty mirage]

That's life

Move on

[wide plume]

They all loaded in as prey....

[misty mirage]

If you are against highly skilled players

That's gonna happen

Trust me warthunder has this too

[wide plume]

How and why given the evidence presented?

[misty mirage]

Go against highly skilled players = your team lose

[misty mirage]

Ok he simply disagrees

That's no reason to ask for evidence

At this point you're just trying to play game police

[orchid sluice]

Are we having pointless arguments again?

[wide plume]

Bruhhhh

[severe bane]

Dawg this is literally such a non issue itd make no difference if it was a rogal dorn lemam russ and taran

[misty mirage]

You aren't helping anyone

I don't need help.

You do

[wide plume]

So you think its totally fair and balanced to do such a thing against 27 others?

[misty mirage]

Dude quit being a grumpy man and move on

Is it so hard?

You are the definition of a man child

[meager helm]

I was looking for some suffering

[wide plume]

Pointing out facts in this day and age is a crime and im definitely a criminal apparently

[misty mirage]

You fail to see points dude you are a man child

You whine over smth in a game make a post

Which is easily being backlashed

And you struggle to move on

How mad about this are you?

Mind you in Britains time you've dragged this on for four days and abit

That's crazy

[wide plume]

Yet here you are defending the indefensible and advocating for the people that abuse you....
Thats crazy

[severe bane]

Not only is games like these like 1 in 100 but again it makes no difference at all if it was a rogal dorn leman russ and an e4 or taran you are just crying over a non issue

[misty mirage]

You're the one defending the indefensible

[severe bane]

Btw cant stat shame me

[misty mirage]

He probs takes this game which is an arcade style game seriously

[wide plume]

This is not a 1 in 100 issue for me

[misty mirage]

If he wants serious warthunder is free

[wide plume]

How often do you engage in something like this might i ask?

[severe bane]

Yea for you its 1 in 200 and your whining about the one time it does happen

[misty mirage]

Tho the guy plays Apex no wonder he's mad about this

[meager helm]

My ribs hurt

[severe bane]

Please focus on other issues that are important than this bs

[wide plume]

It was cool when it came out but got stale fast

[misty mirage]

Like your post

It's gotten stale

It's now way out of date

Kid? Pfft

Please

Not me

[wide plume]

No its much more frequent

[meager helm]

[misty mirage]

You're complaining about people playing vehicles that you just don't know how to counter

[meager helm]

Some are genuinely problematic

[wide plume]

This is an issue one im not backing down on. I wish yall were this up in arms about how siege mode is broken and forces misses

Also bias detected LUX clan member who engages in the practice

I wouldn't be here arguing if I knew i wasn't right....

[misty mirage]

You aren't

We've countered your points so much now

You've literally lost

You're calling me a kid and I'm being mature

A kid whines over stuff like unfairness

I don't

There's a difference here

I'm sixteen acting like a real adult you're an adult acting like a child

We're not the same

[wide plume]

No I haven't ive defended my point of view consistently about how this is unfair

[misty mirage]

And we keep countering

And we will continue to do so

You're reusing your points over and over

[severe bane]

I dont engage in this practice bro nice assumption😂

[misty mirage]

Like you've used the same points many times cuz you can't make any more

Yeah

He just fails to admit it

He copes and seethes

Just like German mains in warthunder

[low sundial]

M ake
A rty
G reat
A gain!

... or is this the wrong thread?

[wide plume]

You're a lux clan member i can say with high certainty you have

[misty mirage]

Wrong one

[low sundial]

Ok, my bad

[misty mirage]

It's cool my man

[low sundial]

Make
Wiesel
Not
Op

Better? 🤣

[misty mirage]

Don't you'll get into this as well man

[low sundial]

I'm just trying to lighten the mood. If it's possible. But probably ain't

[orchid sluice]

Yes.

Please get political so I can call a mod to shut this down-

[wide plume]

I am not sorry

[misty mirage]

And I know many American peolel

People*

[orchid sluice]

Uh.

Hopefully that counts.

Shall I ping a mod?

Lets be honest none of us are convincing dingus.

[misty mirage]

Your call

[low sundial]

Sure. Shut it down lol. I dislike arguments (and I was only being a 🍑 for a moment)

Even tho Wiesel is op

Oops

[orchid sluice]

<@&647566865295474713> can we shut this down? Getting semi-political with quite a few insults being thrown around.

Please?

[wide plume]

You guys have literally admitted you dont want fair games so their is no point in trying to help you go ahead

[misty mirage]

Oh thank lord

[orchid sluice]

Yes. Please read my former statement.

This chat is just starting to devolve.

[wide plume]

All I wanted was fair games yet here we are 1200 comments later defending mk1 abusers....this "community" may indeed be cooked

[orchid sluice]

Mate.

This game is kinda cooked already

Has been. Ish

[grizzled veldt]

So apparently, going through these comments, you all pretty much had a melt down. I dont want to mute everyone and ruin your day.

I'm willing to unmute all if youre willing to let this go and walk away from this argument and move on. Thumb up this reply of you agree to these terms

[pastel zealot]

What does that have to do with it

[orchid sluice]

Well.

He can't speak now.

[pastel zealot]

Timed out?

😂

[orchid sluice]

Pretty sure

Look what Izzy said

[pastel zealot]

So funny

I love to see it

[orchid sluice]

Iggy*

[pastel zealot]

Yea I know 1 got muted

[silver isle]

I'm confused by what is meant by "you all"

But okay?

[pastel zealot]

Same

[orchid sluice]

Think he meant the more recent batch

[grizzled veldt]

I havent deleted any of replies yet, you can scroll up and see how all who got muted derailed to politics and insults.

I didn't mean "you all" as in everyone who ever replied in this thread..

[meager helm]

[orchid sluice]

Yea he's generally unhappy with the state of the game

[pastel zealot]

Aren't we all😂. Dont go around started fights with everyone tho lol

Im very unhappy with some things. But at the end of the day wargamming decides🤷‍♂️

[orchid sluice]

Too true.

[pastel zealot]

It might just be him. Every thread ive seen him in, no one agrees with him 🤣. Gets muted every time to😅

[meager helm]

Mmmmm. Eggs.

[wide plume]

Unhappy is putting it lightly. All i wanted was a fair and balanced game. Its something you are a little too young to have known @pastel zealot games before wallet warriors and microtransactions.

[silver isle]

Me when I keep trying to appear morally superior to those who disagree with me

[civic pagoda]

This is what I’ve been doing in a amx b2 (non op tank), by myself against platoons of all kinds. I’d say the game is pretty fair. Maybe just skill issue on your end.

[wide plume]

Literally none of the amx era 2 line is bad...your dpm is insane the whole time what is it like 10k+ dpm? Then when you get brenus its godlike. Like you said you actively avoid bad tanks. Their is no "skill issue" my dude. Plus you've already admitted to doing the thing im trying to fix which is also why your stats are the way they are. Im not saying youre bad, you aren't but those numbers definitely dont tell the whole story.
Im nearing "chief technical engineer" medal in CW i know what is and isnt viable.

[wide plume]

I literally just want more fair games...

[keen crypt]

That ship has sailed long long ago

[vapid pulsar]

At the cost of fun. That's the issue

[wide plume]

More like it sank to the bottom of the sea

[wide plume]

Yeah cause the picture i provided was game a filled with 30 players having fun. It was 3 having "fun" and 27 people being robbed of it....

[silver isle]

Still no solid evidence that the other 26 didn't have "fun"

Did you ask them all?

Some people's fun is by just playing

Even if they do 500 dmg

[wide plume]

I wonder why they were limited to 500 dmg🤔 I wonder

[wide plume]

If i ask the ones on Xbox and they say "yeah that wasn't fun at all" will you concede and stop defending MK1 abusers?

[silver isle]

Nope, because those 26 aren't actually representative of all WoT players

I'm not defending any toxic platoons

But here's the better solution

Nerf the Mk1?

[wide plume]

So now democracy isn't fair? Asking the players in a lobby about how a game played isnt representative of how a game played???
Like I get what youre trying to allude to as far as sample size but that doesn't negate what they experienced.

All you have done is advocate for the ones who abuse what im trying to amend....

Yes MK1 needs to be nerfed its pen is absurd but that doesn't solve future toxic premiums. And before you open your mouth about "open balancing"(which would be cool im not refuting that) just know you are dealing with WG who has a long established pedigree of releasing OP tanks.

They have fixed platoons in the past though from 5 stack to a 3 stack. Now im simply asking to extend that to the bare minimum of no duplicate tanks....not even different class of tank.

[silver isle]

They "fixed" platoons because they caused MM stress. And look at what that got them, tons of backlash.

I can get a triple platoon going and achieve 80% winrate in 98% of 3 tank combos. I guess all platoons are absurd now

[hexed merlin]

Grinding a tank alongside friends is too toxic 😔

[wide plume]

Like youre good at the game and a decoy clan member you know what im trying to stop is really OP and toxic. Why are you doing this?

[silver isle]

Triple Maus platoon 🙏

[wide plume]

I understand I really do but id love never seeing these toxic platoons more than id like grinding same tree together

[wide plume]

Poor maus she's just a gold magnet these days

[hexed merlin]

I'm in the other camp. Pretty much half of the grinds I've done/started was because of playing through them with a friend. Too much to lose just because a few tanks need nerfs.

[silver isle]

I see triple platoons very rarely lol

[hexed merlin]

Even rarer that they are in the same tank and it's a broken tank. Occassionally in CW and on like new season pass launches I see it but in WW2 it's like finding a unicorn

[meager helm]

Holy crap. People still buy premium rounds with gold?

[warm shoal]

3 stacks of death stars was a good laugh That’s a fail platoon if anything

[vivid phoenix]

Just have a lobby where there are no platoons allowed. That is what most games do.

[vapid pulsar]

It works for games with enough players. Which we don’t have

[vivid phoenix]

We have enough for +/-1 and if one lobby gets more bots so be it.

[vapid pulsar]

Yeah “so be it” is the opposite of my thoughts on bots. Least bots possible is preferred

[vivid phoenix]

Bots are inevitable. WG 💩 on playerbase too many years.

[warm shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-big-facts-true-so-true-true-story-gif-10768238346551082063

[wide plume]

No they just abuse premiums for thousands and thousands of games. I seen people with 2000 plus games in wiesel tow before economy change in CW and they could make +3 million silver a game. The entire "strategy" oozed copium from every orifice. (BTW they'd do it in 3 stacks too) gold spamming is a whole separate problem from what im trying to fix in this thread though

[meager helm]

If not gold spending why gold spamming?

[gleaming sandal]

I'd play my tech trees more if they actually earned as much silver in era 3 but they don't so t4 leclerc and kws 3 spam it is.

Been asking for eastern alliance buffs so I'd play them more but that's a topic of a diff thread.

[wide plume]

Right like the tech trees are just suffering compared to the EZ street that is premiums

[gleaming sandal]

No it's called western alliance is way better than all of eastern alliance tanks

The buffs to eastern alliance wasn't enough and the Chinese tanks are still laughable, the independents still need buffs but never got a balancing patch

[wide plume]

Some of that just comes down to depression, you're right though they have worse accuracy, armor, and handling i think. Fighting 3 stack strv 122s is rough

[gleaming sandal]

Longer reloads...well not sure about now but before they took longer than western tanks, let's also mention that they start on fire regardless of skills and equipment. Sometimes 3x a match.

Armor only semi works 20% of the time.

[wide plume]

Game has lots of balance issues post and pre update(forget what this latest update is called) but not sure what they're gonna do @gleaming sandal

[peak quest]

Don’t micromanage the composition of platoons. Only one type of vehicle needs to be limited. That is artillery and it needs to be 1 max per team.

[wide plume]

I agree one arty is all there should ever be on a team but mono 3 stack meta abuse has to stop and this fixes that permanently

[vivid phoenix]

Require every platoon to play different tanks would cut into WG revenue, as you wouldn’t have new premium platoons running around making people feel like they have to buy the latest tank. Though with the latest set of premiums being almost non-existent, game may be dead anyway.

[peak quest]

Part of the appeal to the game is being able to play in a platoon with your friends. I enjoy 3. I would like for a trial run with 4 and get feedback from the community. Playing with friends always attracts more people to the game.

[peak quest]

Micromanaging what tanks a platoon can have would be a bad idea IMO. The only tank that needs to be limited is artillery and the max should be 1 per team.

[silver isle]

3 is enough, there is no need to test 4. You can get 80% winrate with 3 good people or guarantee a team loss with 3 bad people

[peak quest]

80% winrate? Maybe if the team is the best of the best. Not your regular platoons.

[silver isle]

You severely underestimate the power of communication amongst 1/5th of a team

[wide plume]

You can still play with your friends you guys just cant 3 stack the latest greatest premium and abuse other players

[peak quest]

So you want people to have more “equal” winrates?

[peak quest]

What winrate do you think players should be capped at?

So everyone feels the game is fair?

[wide plume]

I want fair games. Having mono 3 stacks of the latest and greatest premium that can melt your face off isnt an engaging of fair game. If you think artificially inflating your WR with 3 stack premium abuse is OK you are part of the problem

I dont want a "capped" WR. I want fair games

[vapid pulsar]

3 good players will artificially inflate their win rate just platooning in any tanks that aren’t memes

[wide plume]

I never said they wouldn't do well my man. Im simply saying mono 3 stack meta tanks is cop out. I want people to play with friends not abuse the player base

[vapid pulsar]

A triple stack of good players wins 90% in average tanks. That’s already abuse

[wide plume]

Its not that high but yes I understand what you mean 3 good players with gold racks and premium consumables make for an unfair game at best( a separate problem i also despise) but couple that "strat" with 3 mono stack face melting premiums thats exceptionally toxic

[covert saffron]

How come using premium ammo and consumables create unfair games when every player have access to it?

[wide plume]

Not new players who struggle to just buy upgrades and new tanks.

[covert saffron]

Earning silver is not an issue with all the free premium tanks WG is giving away.

[wide plume]

A new player doesn't have many premiums if any at all. Yes BOV was a great event but if we want to keep new players and attract new ones we cant beat them to a pulp with our silver

[covert saffron]

Is using top tier tank in a match unfair too?

[wide plume]

It is if you purposely mono 3 stacked it. Some tanks are more egregious offenders than others obliviously

[covert saffron]

No, I mean tier X vs tier VIII for example.
You are tier X and coming across tier VIII.
What do you do?

And what if platoon have three different "toxic" tanks? What than?

Let's say Taran, Cent Avre and Leman in platoon?

Is it less "toxic" than 3 Taran's or Avre's or Leman's?

[wide plume]

Yes at least you have to play differently.....its not a perfect fix but it limits toxicity.

For instance I just played an era 2 game against a platoon of ignis's. It ain't cool and it definitely isnt fair

[hollow timber]

gee no wonder why ur named ourself meat dingus

[soft kraken]

Well the upside is we don’t have 5 person platoons anymore. Wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of a 5 man Wiesel pack yoloing around a map.

[meager helm]

Yeah that'd be be awful

[wide plume]

Right but apparently people will defend the wiesel 3 stack for 1200+ comments 🙆‍♂️

[hexed merlin]

because the wiesel 1 mk is the problem not the platoon

[zealous tendon]

okay but good players playing together as friends is unfair.

good players shouldn't have friends.

[wide plume]

You still dont get it. Yes a nerf would be great but there WILL BE another op tank released and it WILL go through the same cycle of abuse. We stop letting the toxic mono 3 stacks exist it fixes the problem permanently

[hexed merlin]

Not worth it. 3 stacks are cool, broken tanks are not. Fix the broken tanks don't wreck the fun

[wide plume]

By fun you mean abuse?

Im not saying ban platoons my dude

[hexed merlin]

I love 3 stacking tanks with my friends. It's fun. Going down a line with buddies is part of what makes the stock grind tolerable. Playing a meme tank (usually 3 sturmtigers for my friends) is hilarious. Some of my best memories in this game are platooning Tigers or Shermans to wreak havoc.

Remove that and suddenly we all need to split our platoon when a new line drops. Suddenly we can't do goofy panzer platoons while blasting Ghost Division.

So yeah I don't see why that has to end because WG can't balance a couple vehicles fast enough. End of the day vehicle balance is the issue and fixing it has no drawback

[wide plume]

I get what you're saying but the fact is I practically never see that. 95% of the time I see a mono 3 stack its a toxic premium being abused(literally just got out of game with night stalker platoon). I care about your fun but you dont care about mine.
And I knows its "weakspot" but nerfed accuracy and rng said naw

[soft kraken]

It would be “fun” if Coop mode had unlimited platoon sizes. That would be fun.

[gleaming sandal]

Ahh the meme stack....sturmtigers used to be good...till the reloader took one to the knee

[covert saffron]

Like Sturm said problem is the tank not 3 man playing it. 3 good players in platoon will always have massive advantage regardless what tank they are playing.
What would be next step?
Not letting platoon play on the same flank because it's "unfair"?

[wide plume]

I dont know how many times ive had to repeat myself at this point, I dont want platoons banned. I want fair games with fair lobbies. Being able to triple stack the latest and greatest broken premium is a toxic practice.

Your lack of foresight is truly disheartening. A nerf is a good solution yes but temporary. Its a reactive solution to a never ending constant problem with premiums. With my proactive solution we will eliminate the chance for this toxic occurrence permanently.

[gleaming sandal]

Sadly I didn't see too many people running the two new Halloween tanks so I think they scared anyone from buying or chased away customers because normally I would've seen more.

[meager helm]

Tbf why would they buy the grimroot when it's going to see battles against the nightstalker almost constantly

[vivid phoenix]

Probably a combo of update changes, new games, and likely a bit of preference for Black Friday and Christmas tanks.

[covert saffron]

@wide plume I did not suggest you want to ban platoons but you want to resctrict them.
In my opinion they are restricted enough now.
You can't have 5 man platoons, you can't have 2 arties in the platoon and now you want to see players playing all different tanks because you don't think it's fair to have 3 same tanks in the platoon.
WG is fun policing platoons enough.

[wide plume]

Bruh ive said multiple times id settle for just non identical tanks. My ideal scenario is different classes but have said im willing to compromise.
If you think 2 arties is cool then you clearly have zero frame of reference for balancing.

[covert saffron]

Bruh, stay in your little self righteous bubble because looking at responses here you don't have alot of support for your ideas.

[amber carbon]

I mean, the Wiesel is coldwar, so no one cares😂✌️

And now for Real. I think just introduce a Light and td cap to the matches and the platoon. Not more then 2 td or scouts. That's is something that could fix this and would make sense imo✌️ even though it enjoy the three man sturmtiger plattoons, but it is just giga dumb

[pastel zealot]

1 arty per team, unless they are both bottom tier then you can have 2😅

[amber carbon]

Yeah that as well, but that has nothing to do with 3 mans Platten which was his issue if i am not mistaking😊✌️

[pastel zealot]

Yea just thought id throw it in there🤣

[wide plume]

Toxic mono 3 stacks still apply to WWII. I've seen squall gang my dude. I've seen avre clubbers. It can be very toxic in both modes.

[wide plume]

Its not self righteous. I literally just want fair games why is that so controversial in this discord. I have support for my idea in this thread in the very being before the haters came out in droves because im taking away their ability to easily abuse broken things.

[amber carbon]

I dont not say anything about that✌️

[wide plume]

Huh? I think something autocorrected. What did you mean?

[pastel zealot]

Thats a tank problem not a platoon problem

[amber carbon]

I joked about the wisel yes, i mean it kinda was a joke, i dont really care about coldwar. But it did not say anything bad about the rest of this. Yes 3 man platoons can be indeed to strong with the same tanks. As i said having a scout and td Limit for the platoon so that you can only olay two of each class would fix that. And I would even make more sense. For ww2 3 scouts really make no sense in a platoon. And 3 tds should also not really be a thing, more like 2 tds and a scout or Smth like that

[amber carbon]

Yeah kinda, but this is not really solvable with the tanks. 4005 is not to strong for example, as well as the sturmtiger, in a 3 man platoon with all of them using such tanks is just really ridiculous. So much alpha you can really avoid getting slapped

Ofc this depends as well on how good the players are

[wide plume]

See you get it now. You can make a game super unfair what I propose fixes that.

[wide plume]

A nerf is a good solution yes but temporary. Its a reactive solution to a never ending constant problem with premiums. With my proactive solution we will eliminate the chance for this toxic occurrence permanently.

[pastel zealot]

But theres not a huge problem with it. As the more you limit things the more people won't play. Also creates variety, I like it

[pastel zealot]

But ita not thay often, changes platoons doesn't need to be done

[amber carbon]

I kinda agree as well. I can be a problem. But most of the time people really don't do anything like that

[pastel zealot]

And wargamming cant solve the big problems on our list this is the least of they're worries im sure😅

[amber carbon]

The last time I have seen a 3 tanks the same platoon it was myself and the boys in the sturmtiger😂

[wide plume]

You have better luck than mine then I see this toxic behavior daily

[wide plume]

They have dropped the ball quite hard recently but this is still definitely on the list of issues for me

We ever figure out that LT issue?

[pastel zealot]

Also those this thread has 38 downvotes and 3 ups. Also says something

I dont think people care about this as much

[pastel zealot]

Whenever I do it its usually bad tanks aswell, like 3 orochis😅

[wide plume]

Of course they dont like it im taking away the ability to abuse players easily. I want fair games and will fight for them. Im not saying everybody who down voted participates in this toxic behavior but some of them openly admitted to it in this thread.

[pastel zealot]

But wargamming isn't going to change something that isn't a problem for most. We've been asking for -1+1 for years and we never get it. Just saying

[meager helm]

+/-1 is about more than just if players like it or not

Remember it does have quite the impact on server end stuff

[wide plume]

The average player isn't in this discord neither are new players. This discord has lots of players who participate in meta mono stack tank abuse, gold spam, and neverending premium consumables. Do you see how this can be a possibly skewed sample? Im not saying that everyone's opinion is invalid im saying some people dont want to fix a problem cause they are the root cause of the problem. They dont want a fair fight.

I will say I agree on your +/-1 matchmaking for WWll that was the 1st time in a long time WWII felt fair and fun for me with no noticeable change in queue times or bot lobbies.

[hexed merlin]

I think most people understand it's toxic tanks that make toxic platoons. Nobody wants to fight those tanks whether they are in a platoon or not. So why go after something that effects all platoons rather than just fixing the root of the problem.

If you just said Nerf the Wiesel or Nerf the Night Stalker I guarantee most the people you accuse of wanting to abuse those tanks in platoon actually agree on fixing the vehicles.

[zealous tendon]

same guy who thinks prem ammo and prem consumables ruin the game btw

[wide plume]

Being able to triple stack the latest and greatest broken premium is a toxic practice with toxic vehicles yes.

A nerf is a good solution yes but temporary. Its a reactive solution to a never ending constant problem with premiums. With my proactive solution we will eliminate the chance for this toxic occurrence permanently.

We literally can't stop WG from releasing broken things we've tried. When they do listen and balance a tank its typically been readily abused already. Then by that time they've concocted a new op premium to throw at players and get abused with and triple stacked then the cycle repeats itself. How some tanks make it out of super testing is beyond me.

Break the cycle

[wide plume]

Just seen thumper gang its so fair and balanced🫠

[gleaming sandal]

Most shells firing prem go thru turret because it's a m1a1 turret.

[peak quest]

I think platoons should be made up of whatever tanks the customer wants, except for arty. No more than 1 arty per team. I think super OP tanks is the issue.

The challenge for wargaming is how do they continue making a profit. What brings customers back and to buy product? I would assume OP tanks boost sales. But it irritates people that cannot afford them. It must be a tough balance.

I thought the game was awesome until about 2 months ago with all the changes. My playtime has decreased by at least 60% and I have not purchased anything this season except for the pass. Not happy with the changes.

Only 3 changes were needed. +1-1 matchmaking. Random matchmaking not based on skill, winrate, or any other metric. Max 1 arty per team.

Where were the surveys before all these changes asking the customer what they want? Or do they just make changes in a bubble only listening to discord, YouTube, and a couple streamers?

You have to listen to all stakeholders before implementing change. Business 101.

[glad patio]

Tbf WG was quite transparent with the upcoming changes. Letting us know ages ago about the proposed changes. Streams on Fridays with Bam showing us everything within the equipment, crew & consumable changes. Asking us the community what we think with making threads on the topics so they listen to our feedback. On top of that, ST probably doing some internal testing so that’s more viable feedback. Idk what more u can ask from them tbf.

[vapid pulsar]

Unfortunately for us, I think the average WoT console customer likes many of the changes WG has implemented. In fact, I’m pretty sure the average customer disliked the AVRE and Mk1 nerfs.

[meager helm]

What. I’ve seen literally 0 people complaining about those nerfs

[vapid pulsar]

Facebook. Reddit got a handful of them

[silver isle]

Facebook will lead you there

[meager helm]

That's Facebook. That's to be expected. Half of the people on there still think HE was nerfed and the other half think premium rounds require gold

[vapid pulsar]

Yeah and that's the majority of the playerbase

[wide plume]

The playerbase just seems to be allergic to fair games. Its really annoying 🫤

[vapid pulsar]

Fun > fair

[wide plume]

Fun=fair
Id rather have a hard fought loss than a hollow victory

[peak quest]

The updated matchmaker does not negatively impact players whose winrate hovered at 50% or have a WN8 around 1700. Those players probably have seen their winrate increase due to easier matchmaking. Which is exactly what you see.

You also only play Cold War. 😂 when your WN8 is 1390 in WW2 then the problem is not the game being unfair but the skill level of the player. Instead of getting better you desire the matchmaker to help you.

Players with high winrates and high WN8’s now see their winrates decrease because they are playing in difficult matches every time which require them to sweat every battle to win. No fun playing a game if you have to sweat to win each battle.

[meager helm]

Honestly might as well lock the thread. Its initial point was long since shut down

[peak quest]

With these changes I choose not to play as much or spend any money. I used to play about 600 matches of WW2 games each month. Last 30 days I have played 300 with it decreasing. No fun to sweat every match for a win.

I was also trying to 3 mark and gold mark tanks. Even tougher to do that now. This drew me to the game. It was a personal challenge for me. Not anymore. The changes were all in the spirit of equity and equality. 🤮

[wide plume]

This thread has nothing to do with wn8 what are you talking about?

[peak quest]

It is a response to your comment 👌

[wide plume]

No its not its essentially a copy paste of you hating the update(im not a fan either) but it doesn't belong here. My tier 10 90 day wn8 is 2198 and cw wn8 of 2603

This thread is about the abuse of meta mono 3 stacks not the new update

[peak quest]

You made my point. Your lifetime tier ten WN8 is 1600 with 51% winrate. In the last 60 days you play 19 tier 10 battles with a 57% winrate. The game gives low winrate/skill players easy matches to boost your wins. Congrats you are the recipient of the equity/fairness award.

[wide plume]

Lifetime is a highly skewed metric i used to be really bad at this game. I've learned a lot and how much copium gets huffed by the playerbase.
This thread once again is not about the update. Its about meta mono 3 stacks that shouldn't be allowed to exist its a completely separate issue.

Did you seriously just "laugh", "fact", and "this" your own comment straight off the bat?

[vapid pulsar]

The better players will still have higher winrate than worse players. There just isn’t as much of a numerical difference anymore

[peak quest]

I agree with that. I don’t like it though.

I think random matchmaking not based on winrate, skill, or any metric is the best. 100% random.

[wide plume]

Thats not what this thread is about please put your comments inhttps://discord.com/channels/630895439520202783/1405193097079689458

[peak quest]

There needs to be zero micromanaging of platoons except for limiting arty to 1 per team.

If people did not purchase “OP” premium tanks this game would not be free to play.

IMO there are only 3 WW2 tanks that have needed a nerf and were way too OP. Vigilante, Avre, and night stalker. Tanks that are super OP do ruin the game.

Those 3 tanks were at the ridiculous level of OP. Those should not have been even created. Those ruin the game.

But you can’t blame people for buying them. Everyone will try to get an advantage over their opponent.

One match I had a Vigilante clip me and another tier 9 in the first minute of the game. I was a tier 9 bat chat.

[wide plume]

Op tanks aren't just premium. But you are correct those tanks deserve to be balanced.

Yet they exist and can be 3 stacked. Now WG must release something else broken and then it will need to be balanced but until it gets balanced it will undoubtedly be 3 stacked and abused. Help me stop the cycle.

"But you can’t blame people for buying them. Everyone will try to get an advantage over their opponent."

• @peak quest

To expand on your very true statement(this practice defeats the concept of a game entirely to me but it exists unfortunately) that buying something that is purposely op and 3 stacking it, is a blatant unfair advantage. Im trying to help you @peak quest

[meager helm]

Sooooooo. Who wants to tell him

[devout zodiac]

Completely agree

[misty mirage]

Do it my guy

[meager helm]

Ighty

Hey @peak quest

There exists a ftp game with nothing but cosmetics locked behind a paywall. And guess how long that games been running?

[misty mirage]

I kinda wanna guess which one you're on about

Is it tanky online by chance??

[meager helm]

Is that game still going!?

But no its warframe which has been going for a solid 12 years. Obviously a very different game but the gameplay isn’t what matters it’s the monetisation.

[misty mirage]

Shockingly yes and if you actually wanna get anywhere you have to sell your soul to the game

[meager helm]

I remember that much. Not played in many years

It was my first tank game though

[misty mirage]

I think mine was wot blitz or smth similar to it

[meager helm]

Okay TECHNICALLY my first tank game was the crappy one for the wii

But that does not count

[misty mirage]

I only play two games that are similar to wot blitz that's tank company ( goated game ) and MWT

[meager helm]

Still. FTP games 100% can work as non ptw games

[misty mirage]

Yh

[meager helm]

You know what progression/premium stuff is locked behind a wallet on WF?

1 character and 2 weapons from the founders pack waaaaay back when the devs were struggling

[misty mirage]

Jeez..

[hexed merlin]

you take that back, "Tanks!" is one of the greatest tank games known to mankind

[meager helm]

Hey. Those stupid ghost tanks got me every time as a kid

[wide plume]

Just ran into MK1 gang again its still toxic and definitely shouldn't be allowed

[reef burrow]

MK1?

[hexed merlin]

Yeah the Centurion MK1 is really busted 😜

[wide plume]

Just seen fv107 abuse a whole lobby not fair not balanced

[wide plume]

Wiesel mk1 an op tin can that gets exponentially more toxic when 3 stacked

Just seen triple mono stack spaceman too😒

[void fox]

How to drain a tank and completely destroy a XBOX SERIES X/S MK.2 indirectly

[wide plume]

Server tick rate has a heart attack

[wide plume]

Seen the always pleasant Osorio mono stack😮‍💨

[wide plume]

103b cheese wedge gang was so balanced to fight
Got the privilege to see that toxic stack twice in a row😒

[low sundial]

Ok, new platooning problem... GAU-8-Black. No more than two of the same tank should be allowed in a platoon. Two matches in a row, 3 man platoon of GAUs. Fun is fun, but when you're trying to grind a tank and can't get better than 4th place because OP tanks are allowed to platoon in 3s... where do you draw the line?

I have no issues with the players, just the 3 identical tank platoon

[soft kraken]

Yep. It use to be players would get rammed by five Pz. V/IV's when platoons could have 5 members. Thank the PVP Gods that its only 3 now. But any 3 person platoons running around with Auto Cannons is not ideal.

[low sundial]

thank you for the 👎 DeathPigeons

Platoons should be limited to separate class only. I myself platooned with 2 others, all of us in the 103 heavy, and we steamrolled the reds in one match. This is why I can say with confidence "Platoons should be limited to separate classes only".

[vapid pulsar]

"we steamrolled 1 match so obviously it's unfair"

[low sundial]

Considering that it happened when all three of us were in the same tank - yes. There were other instances where we all had the same tank and it happened there too. I only mentioned the one because if anyone knows me... they know I'm not a unicum, so steamrolling doesn't happen in my favor.

I could also state that any time a three man platoon in the same tank happens - it's a steamroll in their favor.

It's obvious the ones so against adjusting limits on tanks in platoons are the ones in the 3 tank smash.

Thank y'all for proving my point.

[vapid pulsar]

When I play in a 3 man platoon, any combo of tanks we pick is a steamroll 80% of the time

[vapid pulsar]

The terrifying 3 man Magach 5 platoon oh no

[meager helm]

Kill me

[wide plume]

Nobody said you aren't good. Nobody said teamwork isnt op. Nobody said we should ban platoons. All we are saying is hey maybe that much concentrated toxicity is unhealthy for the game.

Please put your pride, arrogance, and elitism aside. I just want better balanced games my dude

I seen you delete that statement 🙄

[vapid pulsar]

Platoons themselves are the issue. Tanks in them aren’t a big deal

Advocating for platoon restrictions is bad imo

[wide plume]

Im sure that rhm pzw felt real good when they loaded in😒

Dude please pull the wool from over your eyes

[vapid pulsar]

Playing a RHM vs a 183, 4005, and ruthless is so much better. Or if we want to spread classes, a 4005, AVRE, and 249 platoon. There’s always something that’s brutal to play against in certain tanks. Why restrict people from having fun?

[wide plume]

Im really tired of this defending toxicity. A swarm t249s mono 3 stacked is absolutely toxic. Stop trying to deflect and deal with problem that is all too relevant in game

[vapid pulsar]

The solution is to balance tanks appropriately. One 249 can kill a RHM in 2s flat. 3 of them is irrelevant

[wide plume]

Bruhhhhhhhhhh they can annihilate everything but super heavies stop being a 🤡 answer this question, what is the combined dpm on t249 mono stack platoon?

And @hexed merlin stop defending him nerfs will not make this problem go away. Devs will just release something else toxic and it will get abused. Please help stop the cycle. All I want is fair games why are you all making me fight tooth and nail for something that is so blatantly obvious🫠🫠🫠

[hexed merlin]

The obvious solution is to just fix the problem vehicles. That would improve the quality of play regardless of a platoon being present.

The reason people don't want platoon restrictions is because it is just fun to play the same tank with friends.

[vapid pulsar]

That’s the same issue. Releasing broken tanks is the problem

[vapid pulsar]

Cool my RHM dies in 1s before I can react instead of 2s. So much worse. Also lol, the 249 can’t effectively pen the sides of most tier 10s

[wide plume]

Thank you for refusing to answer the question and deflecting yet again like I figured you would

[wide plume]

The evidence presented in this thread directly disproves your statement

Its toxic tank stacks not players just "having fun"

It was even admitted earlier in the thread by the accused/abusers its done to inflate stats

[hexed merlin]

It pretty clearly looks like it's for fun. If you want to win you don't typically pick 3 of the same tank. 3 T249s is people having fun, it's an awful tank just broken

[vapid pulsar]

Yes we all agree the 249 is still stupid broken

[vapid pulsar]

Well the 249 has mirrored matchmaking so it’s not actually that detrimental

[meager helm]

So. Fun little fact. The rogal has a 30mm plate on its lower hull at the rear.

[hexed merlin]

Not to mention I totally do not run 3 Sturmtiger platoons to win games. We do way worse with this platoon comp to the point it's actually bad for stats 😂

[wide plume]

Right but @vapid pulsar and @hexed merlin are refusing to accept how fundamentally broken this mono stack is.

[wide plume]

Say the combined dpm number......

[hexed merlin]

All of us agree the tank is broken. We disagree that the platoon is the problem

[hexed merlin]

If it was balanced to be like other burst damage lights (Tusk,13 105, Sheridan) nobody would care about seeing 3 of it

Btw I highly recommend messing around with triple 152mm lights. It's hilarious

Hard to find a match tho

[wide plume]

I honestly don't see how you can think this isnt a huge problem. Like have you just not looked at all the evidence thats been curated?

The mono 3 stack platoon is not fair or balanced full stop.

[hexed merlin]

I am pretty willing to look past it because at the end of the day they are anecdotal and I have experiences of my own where 3 stacks are fun and no more oppressive than a standard 3 man of mixed composition

To me the platoon is only as toxic as the tanks within it are, and since it relies on composition it's very clearly an issue with the tanks. No need to change platoons for all tanks when only a few are the problem

[severe bane]

What evidence?

[wide plume]

How to tell me you're blind and illiterate without telling me youre blind and illiterate.

[severe bane]

All i see you doing is crying and complaining about little things that no one gaf about

[vapid pulsar]

~2000 combined against most tanks. ~15000 combined against like 20% of the tier. Average that out to like 5000 combined dpm on average. Not great

That’s like listing the tortoise’s dpm number and then calling it OP

[vapid pulsar]

3 man platoons aren’t balanced full stop. The 249 is broken full stop

[wide plume]

Its not a few tanks though its literally not. And WG refuses to stop releasing broken things.

Im not having fun when I see this toxic behavior. My little brother who's still a new player ain't having fun when he's getting rolled by mono 3 stacks comprised of following tanks fv107, is4m, spaceman, catman, or fv4005

[wide plume]

You dont care cause youre the cause of the problem

[severe bane]

What problem

There is no problem lil girl

😭✌️

[wide plume]

Would you @hexed merlin and @severe bane just say you dont want fair games? Like just say it it already.

[wide plume]

3 man platoons are fine. The mono stack is very broken and yes t249 is blatantly op

3 3000dmg+ clips running around together ain't fair

[severe bane]

Brodie this is only if ur playing like a waffle or grille😭😭😭

T249s do nothing against 85% of tanks

[wide plume]

Oh look you're wrong again big surprise 🙆‍♂️

[hexed merlin]

So just to recap:

• Platoons are not fair
• A few dozen tanks are unfair

I understand why you think that making those two things not work together is a good idea. As others have already pointed out though, it doesn't really work for a few reasons. There are multiple unfair tanks, usually enough in a tier or Era to run a full platoon with no duplicates. Leaving these vehicles unfair is still going to mean fighting stacks of unfair vehicles. Removing unfair vehicles from the equation would lead to fairer play obviously, and extends well beyond mono stack or even platoon matches. The casualty of preventing mono stacks are the few hundred fair or even weak tanks, as well as groups grinding a new vehicle.

Tldr is you create a casualty when a more effective solution exists

[last tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-discord-drama-spongebob-popcorn-tv-gif-26893400

[vapid pulsar]

Fun > fair

Fixing broken tanks makes things both more fun and fair

[wide plume]

Have you noticed how you haven't offered a compromise after like 1400 comments? We will continue to get broken tanks till wargaming goes bankrupt. Allowing these tanks to be mono stacked is toxic.

Yes there are multiple different tanks that are broken that exist and could be played in a platoon and side step the rule im very adamant about but you are forgetting those other broken tanks have different stats which come with different play styles.

I have never said platoons are not fair anywhere in this gigantic thread.

Like I caved immediately to a new suggestions from my original which was every player in a platoon must play different class. I settled for no duplicate tanks. For you @hexed merlin I'll throw this out there no mono stack premium tank platoons? At least if you mono stack a tech tree others have the opportunity to do the same. I think this is an imperfect solution yeah but it still reduces toxicity.

Why are you just refusing to acknowledge the very obvious problem and not helping me engineer a solution?

[last tartan]

Simple

Actually Nerf and balance said tanks then who cares what people uses in a 3 man platoon

The fact the t249 and gau-8 can absolutely vaporize something is insane

Only balanced by trash pen

[hexed merlin]

Because platoon restrictions are not something I am really willing to compromise on. Instead I, and others, have offered a different path of handling the situation. That path being to just balance the the unfair tanks

[misty mirage]

Didn't you say a three stack of kv-1 was op?

As someone who now plays solo more often and is grinding slowly to my first t10 I've seen no "three stacks" at t7

[wide plume]

Your "different path" doesn't handle the situation at all it ignores. Its a reactive response to a problem that will continue to happen as new things get introduced. My solution is proactive and permanent.

[wide plume]

Kv-1 is really good, when 3 stacked fairly toxic. But as I stated several comments ago im willing to compromise(reluctantly) to allow tech tree mono stacks

[silver isle]

All I hear is that we just need to ban platoons

[misty mirage]

Pretty much

[silver isle]

Once again, any good players in a platoon will get 70% winrate

Rogal Dorn + T110E4 + T95E6 is a valid platoon by all standards raised in this thread and is probably one of the most toxic things to fight

[misty mirage]

So hypothetically speaking let's say.. idk a three stack off let's say Sherman grizzly I or Excelsior would they be OP considering what they are?

[wide plume]

That has not been said or suggested by anyone in this thread i believe and I can guarantee I never said that

[silver isle]

It's a metaphor

All the people advocating for restrictions on platoons point out issues that are a problem with ALL platoons or toxic tanks

And your solutions don't actually fix anything

"These tanks are toxic when stacked."
-> can't stack anymore
"Well now those players are playing different OP tanks"
-> can't play those anymore

Eventually you'll realize the issues is platoons as a whole and specific toxic tanks, not toxic tanks when in platoons

[wide plume]

I cant believe im 1400 comments deep debating whether wiesel mk1 abusers can continue to abuse lobbies.

I have offered compromises yet you still refuse to acknowledge the problem

[misty mirage]

You always mention certain tanks or others

This is why your point isn't getting across like you want it to

[silver isle]

Your compromise isn't fun

It's that simple

[vapid pulsar]

The mk1 is the problem

[wide plume]

I have amended and compromised again to allow mono stack tech tree tanks as everyone at least has access to them. Just no mono stack premium tank platoons that just abuse the playerbase and rob everyone else of their fun

[wide plume]

It is one of many yet you guys refuse to help me find a permanent solution

[last tartan]

Playing 3 of the same tank isn't a issue necessarily it's just if the said tank is op like the osorio for example yeah then it's a problem solution nerf the tanks that are a problem

[wide plume]

Then what about the next op tank then the next. The nerf doesn't provide a solution to the problem. Its a temporary fix.

[last tartan]

Then wargaming should be better at making sure a new tank isn't op before releasing it

If they make sure a new tank isn't op before dropping it in the live server then it's not a problem but with a tank like the weasel mk1 there's absolutely no way it wasn't known to be insane before releasing it

[little sundial]

I dont see a way to effectively balance platooning at all, a good enough 3 stacked platoon can take on a entire lobby of randoms

Thats how its always been

[last tartan]

A good organized team will very likely dominate goes with anything

[wide plume]

I agree how some things have made it through supertesting to a live server is beyond me but WG has repeatedly released op things for years so we know that ain't gonna change which is why im suggesting what I am

[little sundial]

Exactly, put any of the 3 dudes in any tank of the tier and they will walk the lobby with the right strategy

[wide plume]

But they'll have to use skill not abuse op tanks

Its not a perfect solution but it removes the ultra ez street strat

[little sundial]

The only ridiculous thing is when yoy get a platoon of 2 tds and a light tanz and yoy just cant contest a certain part of the map

[little sundial]

Regardless of if they put tank limits on platooning, 3 people calling focus fire, setting up cross fires, taking strategic positions and being somewhat competent of map rotation will win a game for the team regardless of tank setup

The only thing with enforcing certain tank limits upon platoons would accomplish is letting the bad platoons struggle, but when it comes to the good 3 stacks, nothing will chnage for them

If anything they will stop using the "op" tanks, and us meta tanks like is7,is4, e4,e5, t100, grille, and it will be even more frustrating

[vapid pulsar]

Fix the broken tanks. That’s the fix

You get the dual benefit of fixing toxic platoons and fixing those tanks in solo play

[wide plume]

You have so little foresight its beyond frustrating

[vapid pulsar]

Restricting platoons is low foresight. It’s a bandaid solution to WG’s need to make broken tanks

Practically it might be easier than balancing tanks but WG has already restricted platoons so much

[wide plume]

Its literally the opposite.
Say this for me if you would "WG is never going to release an op premium again".

Dont side step or deflect. With what you just said thats the only way it will work. You are undoubtedly the one who lacks foresight

[vapid pulsar]

I just don’t think it’s worth it regardless. Platoons are problematic bc of the players in them far more than the tanks picked. There’s no enough you gain by restricting platoons vs the loss of fun of not being able to mess around with friends

[wide plume]

I would rather be abused by Tech tree tanks than op wallet warrior tanks which is why ive suggested what I have. No mono 3 stack premium tank platoons/duplicate premiums in a platoon

[vapid pulsar]

Why is a 3 stack waffle/4005 different than an AVRE or 249?

[wide plume]

It not "messing around" its lobby abuse by wallet warriors call it what it is

[vapid pulsar]

Is 3 152mm sheridans abuse? 3 sturms?

[wide plume]

To me its not but to @hexed merlin it is. At least they are obtainable by all players

Please read the thread my dude

[vapid pulsar]

No different to me. What about 3 Nightstalkers? They were just free for anyone to get

[misty mirage]

even balanced premiums like the Sherman grizzly, any premium panzer IV , kv-122 , premium t-34-85s etc are op three stacked for this guy

What next a three stack of three M22 locusts is op?

[wide plume]

Its still a broken premium(yes I know the manlet is weak) are you going to provide any meaningful feedback or suggestions? Once again this thread is about mono stacks being unhealthy for the game, not what tanks are or aren't op. Please stop trying to derail the thread

[misty mirage]

But my guy

Mono means one

You mean tri stack

Mono - one
Bi - two
Tri - three

[misty mirage]

But you literally stated yourself a Tri stack of tech tree vehicles aren't op so you derailed it and you tried to get back in topic only mentioning certain vehicles

Plus you know your suggestion isn't gonna happen anytime soon so why continue this?

It's YOU that dragged this on not us

And don't give me crap like "but you guys kept replying" yeah we did cuz you replied to us in the first place making us respond back you should've left it as soon as you saw the huge amount of disagreement

[wide plume]

I never wanted mono stacks at all if you read original post🫤

It was @hexed merlin who valiantly wanted to do 3 sturmtigers. (Which at least everyone can get and earn i guess). But being abused by wallet warriors in premiums is worse i will say that.

[misty mirage]

Wot is an arcade game mate usually the best way to have fun is to have a vehicle that is more Powerful than others even wt that isn't an arcade game has this issue

[wide plume]

This thread isnt going anywhere I will continue to post everytime I see it in game and it being abused. Its a problem whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Ignoring a problem doesn't mean its not there or that it will magically fix itself. I will continue to speak up

[misty mirage]

You're dragging it on tho

You can easily see it isn't ever gonna happen

[wide plume]

I want fair games and im not going to be quiet about. You can leave if you want. You aren't obligated to reply or participate. If you have no suggestions by all means stop typing.

[misty mirage]

They can't remove squads as it messes the match Maker up they won't balance any of the tanks anyway as alot of em are actually close to there irl stats really

They are just in an arcade form

Having fun means you can't have fairness

Ever heard of the phrase "all is fair in love and war"

Let me tell you that phrase is wrong

Nothing of love and war is fair

Same applies to games

Nothing is fair

[last tartan]

Life ain't fair but video games are supposed to be fair

[misty mirage]

They will never be a game that will be fair in the 21st century really unless you look at all the racing Sims and other Sims etc

[last tartan]

There's plenty of games that are fair

Just not modern games

[misty mirage]

That's what I'm implying

Modern games will never be fair

Wot happens to fall into that iirc

[wide plume]

Once for the thousandth time it feels like I have never suggested we ban platoons

[last tartan]

Wouldn't call wot modern this game came out originally in 2013 for Xbox 360

Even further back pc starting in like 09 or something

[wide plume]

All im asking for is a mechanic like overwatch or rivals has. No duplicates of the same tank on same team(the equivalent to a character in those games)

[misty mirage]

I see the point you want but I'm pretty sure in overwatch you can still stack the same class iirc

So what you want is no mirror based mm which gives the same amount of X class per team with either the same or different vehicle as they can counter what you have

[wide plume]

Im not sure what lead you to that irrational conclusion.

I want fair games. Mono triple stack platoons get in the way of that.

[misty mirage]

This is literally what mirror based mm is plus loads Of people will be playing the same vehicle as you

So that would again screw up the mm

You can't remove dupe vehicles on your team

You gotta realise tons of players will play the same exact vehicle as you

[wide plume]

We arent removing dupe vehicles on a team. Triple mono stacks have nothing to do with mirror matchmaking those things are completely separate. (BTW if the only way to make a tank balanced is WG giving it mirror matchmaking its not balanced)

[misty mirage]

If you play a certain tank there is a 100% chance you'll run into someone with the same vehicle hence duplicate tanks on both sides I've been playing the BP alot since I enjoy it I've bumped into others using it but not many plus if you don't like the fact triple stacks exist may introduce you to warthunder where you can stack the same vehicle in a five man squad? You don't see them complain even with meta breaking tanks or what not

[wide plume]

The following proposed fixes for triple mono stack are as follows

1. A different class must be represented by each member of the platoon
2. Every platoon member must play a different vehicle
3. Identical premiums cannot be in same platoon.

This is not war thunder but I assure you yes they do and call each other racial slurs in the process. You will read some very offensive things in a war thunder lobby chat.

If you have no suggestions @misty mirage please feel free to not comment.

[misty mirage]

Plus the reason stuff like the Wiesel is "OP" cuz in CW lights are kinda redundant due to true vision hence why some lights unless it's ones with atgms tend to scurry across maps and shoot

[misty mirage]

As someone who plays wt too I've seen people who don't use slurs. Most of the chats are quite humorous

Sometimes people don't even say anything at all really

Shocker ain't it?

[wide plume]

Your statements have nothing to do with what this thread is about. When you have suggestions or encounter a mono stack platoon please feel free to post them here

[low sundial]

If you hear "ban platoons" out of "limited to separate class", may I suggest hearing aids? Because I never said any such thing. You spew hate because you partake in those 3 man platoons all running the same tank, and steamroll everything in your path. Why else would you (or others) be so dead set against separating classes in a 3 man platoon?

"Fun"

Is it really fun to wreck a match in 2 minutes by melting everything and not allowing any others on your team to mark a tank, or even get good use out of a booster they may have used to upgrade a tank or commander?

It's toxic behavior like this that makes people leave a game. Because your "fun" is griefing others around you. But you don't care. All you care about is you and your bragging rights how you are always top dog, and going into other threads to complain about your useless team.

Here's a thought - quit being a 🍆 and let your team do stuff. They may surprise you if you quit taking their kills away from them and blaming them for not getting the kill.

Platoons are fine, but 3 of the same tanks should not be platooned together.

[silver isle]

You didn't listen to what I said

Which I guess is okay

You'll fit right in

https://tenor.com/view/getter-robo-gif-3786700062079476221

[low sundial]

And what did you say? Exactly what I didn't say.

[vapid pulsar]

Me: provides feedback. You: it’s bad bc you disagree

[low sundial]

👎 and "ban platoons" is all you've said to me.

This thread is about platoon balance, not team balance. A team that has 3,5, even 7 of the same tank is not the same as a 3 stack platoon.

@wide plume it's apparent that the 3 stackers love their ways, and anything said against it is gonna be thrashed. We're spitting in the wind brother.

[silver isle]

May I recommend reading my other messages?

Also I rarely ever play anymore or 3 stack to begin with

So, nice one, I guess?

Once again, you guys say that it ruins fun, yet, I also always see people just accept the game how it is and their fun is just doing 1 shot of damage, clearly they don't really care that much.

You guys are dancing around the fact that specific tanks are the problem. Again, it is an all platoon issue and toxic tank issue

It doesn't suddenly become a issue when the two are combined

I could get 3 different super heavies going and still likely roll most games

[silver isle]

Their logic is so flawed that it's funny

[wide plume]

You haven't though for quite sometime you've just argued what tanks are and aren't OP. The fact is OP tanks exist. WG is never going to top releasing them and they shouldn't be allowed to be 3 stacked.

[wide plume]

Im trying my man I not giving this up. Every time I see the abuse its getting posted. All I want is fair games but I keep getting fought at every turn. I thought this thread was going to be unanimously agreed upon like +-1 when I started it. I had no idea I was going to have to fight this hard.

[misty mirage]

You're fighting a losing battle harder than the Germans lost both world wars..

You may as well Do a france and raise the white flag

But you say even a Tri stack of tech tree vehicles is toxic and op

So what do you want WG to do?

[wide plume]

The following proposed fixes for triple mono stack are as follows

1. A different class must be represented by each member of the platoon
2. Every platoon member must play a different vehicle
3. Identical premiums cannot be in same platoon.

If you have no suggestions @misty mirage please feel free to not comment.

[misty mirage]

^

Brother

Stop copy pasting and acknowledge

I bet you'd say a stack of locusts would be toxic

[low sundial]

And there's the proof you don't get it either. "3 different super heavies" and this is exactly the issue with a 3 stack platoon. 3 super heavies from different nations ** are still 3 super heavies**. Platoon one super heavy, any medium, and a light, and you'll see the end of this thread. Shoot... even a platoon with one arty, a super heavy, and a TD would be better than a 3 stack.

[wide plume]

Im not your brother. Not really but just because one mono stack of premiums isnt absolutely cancerous doesn't negate my argument. Please read @misty mirage

[misty mirage]

Okay so you can agree balanced premium stacking isn't toxic

But when it comes to certain ones you start going off

What next a Tri stack of black prince's being toxic?

Even better a stack of Sherman firefly's due to its high rate of fire?

[low sundial]

@wide plume this is probably why there's an outcry for 5 man platoons ... so they can 5 stack.

[misty mirage]

None of us want five man platoons for that reason dude..

[hexed merlin]

No thanks

[low sundial]

But yet a 3 stack is fine? What's two more when 3 overpower its own team? Oh, wait, it becomes a battle with the other 4 for bragging rights. I get it now 🙄

[wide plume]

Wow you really have no suggestions and continue to clog my thread with arguments of what tanks are or aren't op. The fact is OP tanks exist we might not agree on what they are but they exist 100% and their toxicity is compounded when 3 stacked. If they ever got nerfed wg would just release something else broken then it would be abused. Help me break the cycle. Stop reacting and be proactive.

[misty mirage]

I'd rather face a three stack than not

If you can't counter them then it's a skill issue

[wide plume]

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried

[misty mirage]

I don't see many three stacks at t7 but even ik what the BP is good against and what it isn't

[wide plume]

Why are you defending your abusers? ive seen your stats im trying to help you

[misty mirage]

What.. no you aren't helping

Dude I'm a casual

I'm fine with an average wr

I don't need help

Guy trys to stay shame to get me to surrender

If I play casually and not as often I don't care about three stacks

[low sundial]

Ok, counter a 3 stack working together to do massive DPM. And what's that exactly? Come back after getting steamrolled with your own 3 stack? This is just accentuating the toxicity.

Countering a 3 stack requires teamwork - which as far as I know is still in the top 5 complaints of this game. "Teammates are bad" yada yada. The only teamwork is done by the 3 stack. Any other platoon gets picked apart individually by the 3 stack. So there's not much "countering" that can be done aside from adding another 3 stack to the problem.

[wide plume]

I dont want you to surrender i want you to see the truth. I've seen what tiers you play you are are actively avoiding the problem in game that im trying to fix

[misty mirage]

I'm at t7 currently working on the BP if you read I've mentioned the BP more recently

[wide plume]

I know what youre working on. Thats why I said you're avoiding them problem

[misty mirage]

I'm not? The BP sees tier IX

[wide plume]

So true it hurts

[misty mirage]

If it sees tier IX I can't avoid the problem can I

[low sundial]

I'm out. Y'all have fun 3 stacking.

[wide plume]

Youre actively avoiding tier 10s....

[misty mirage]

Because the BP is a tier VII

I'm not at the t8 yet

That's what I'm working on getting

[silver isle]

Platoon 1 of each class and could still achieve the same results

I did say Rogal + E4 + E6

[wide plume]

OK when you start seeing the t249 stacks let me know how you feel

[misty mirage]

Meh I ain't as bothered as u are about it

[silver isle]

You guys would see a T249, Taran, T95E6 and still complain

But it wouldn't violate anything that you guys have said

[misty mirage]

^

Plus I've had t8 , 9 and X prems never saw a triple stack

So your logic is thrown here meat

You just have unfortunate mm

[vapid pulsar]

You should honestly look at the positive vs negative feedback here and reevaluate fun vs fair

[misty mirage]

To have fun you need at have unfair things

The two can't co-exist

[wide plume]

The fact you and @vapid pulsar ascribe to this school of thought says a lot about you as people and quite frankly it disgusts me

[misty mirage]

Womp womp

Be disgusted

It doesn't matter

Fun and fair technically cannot co-exist

There's some games that have that

But games like this it ain't possible

[wide plume]

And this could be one of them....

[misty mirage]

No it cant

It's wg since when do they have games that the two co-exist?

Tell me

The only WG game ik where the two do infact co-exist is some bowling game they made

[wide plume]

It can,yet here you are spewing ignorance, apathy, and defending your abusers. So would you and @vapid pulsar mind formally saying this for me "we don't want fair games"?

[vapid pulsar]

I don’t want fair games if they come at the expense of player fun. By your logic every game should be 15v15 of the exact same tank. Perfectly fair

Or is there a level of unfair that’s ok?

[wide plume]

You are a super uni you know the goldilocks zone. You are a member of decoy, i know you all participate in the activity im trying to amend because ive seen it. You dont want fair games you want to abuse lobbies. You care nothing about my fun.

I want fair games and this practice is hindering that goal

[misty mirage]

It can't dude it literally can't that possibility was thrown years and years ago in this games early form

They'd have to get rid off all the premiums that are toxic which to you is 99% of them which they can't do cuz it goes against EULA etc

They can't do much about stacking that's how some play

[wide plume]

If i had your support I'd be one small step closer. It doesn't have to be the way it is, stop defending your abusers.

[misty mirage]

I'm not at all on your side.

I'm never supporting you.

Most of this thread is highly against you

Some are in the middle

[vapid pulsar]

So there is some amount of unfair that’s ok to have in the name of fun. I disagree with you where that line is. That’s my opinion. And it seems to be shared by everyone in this thread but you

[misty mirage]

@wide plume genuine question when did you start playing

[wide plume]

Not everyone no but you and several others have been very vocal that you want to keep abusing lobbies we are approaching 1700 comments. Your notion of fun is robbing others of theirs and that is objectively wrong and very saddening.

[wide plume]

I kinda figured you were against me when you said you didn't want fair games(that definitely makes you the bad guy btw) its unbelievable I've caught so much flak for calling out the very broken system that is in place.

I have played for roughly 6 years or so and 23,892 multiplayer games unknown amount of coop (maybe 1,000 or so). I have played approximately 98% of my games with no consumables and no prammo. I started off really bad at this game and slowly got better. The more I learned the more I understood the abuse I was subject to in game and how much copium was actually being huffed.

[misty mirage]

Your linked acc shows roughly 2021 I started a year before you in 2020

I've been the one playing for six years so really you could say I should be the one making this thread but I haven't cuz I couldn't care less

[wide plume]

Im not really sure what that has to do with anything. Do you have a point? Or are you still clogging my thread with off topic comments?

[misty mirage]

So it shows you're whining for no reason.

And you know using premium ammo doesn't make you a premium spammer I use it in my BP at times since it can struggle but I don't use all of it.

If you use some premium it really benefits an engagement

Hence you have a chance to counter your issue

[wide plume]

You're as Ignorant as I thought with 5,435 games.....

[misty mirage]

I never really got into playing the game untill much later

So I'm not ignorant

[vapid pulsar]

I think your idea is robbing people of fun. That’s ok though, it’s an opinion

[outer grove]

Yup

I agree.

[misty mirage]

Same here

I agree with Nate

[wide plume]

With your abuser....

[misty mirage]

Stop rationalising people as abusers

[soft kraken]

Platoons have always been a 2-edged sword. One positive aspect is matched by a negative. From a single player POV platoons either help with a win or a lose. From a WG Match Making view point bunches of 3 tank types would often create longer battle queue times and /or tank type imbalance (as in this discussion). Much like the impact of Contracts which requires certain types of tanks that result in battle imbalance.

[wide plume]

Im giving everyone an equal chance to have fun how is that robbing them?

[wide plume]

He is a decoy clan member with +1500 games in e4.....he definitely is

[reef burrow]

It's pretty clear broken tanks are the problem

[vapid pulsar]

There’s a level of unfairness that we all sacrifice for our ideal of fun. I’m willing to sacrifice broken tank platoons so people can mess around with their friends

[reef burrow]

People should have the opportunity to play with their mates

[misty mirage]

No he isn't he just knows how to play better

That's not abusing it's called having a high level of skill

You can't comprehend that

Cuz the world "skill" in your world is "abusing"

[reef burrow]

In an ideal world all tanks would be balanced and the MM would account for platoons and try and put better players opposing the platoon to counter the coordination.

But the world isnt ideal

No cry pls

[wide plume]

They still can platoons are not being banned just fixed

[misty mirage]

So limit the amount of tank type per platoon like wows does so like 1 one each class

[reef burrow]

They dont need fixing. The MM needs to balance them

The only reason 3 stacks are OP is because the tank is op

No one is 3 stacking the A44 at tier 7

Why?

It's a dumpster

A 3 stack of a44 will likely cost their team the win simply by spawing

[misty mirage]

But some know how to use the tank

So three stacking the a44 with good players can mean a difference

[reef burrow]

Yes but those good players will make better use of a better tank

It's widely known the a44 is garbage

Thats not the point

[misty mirage]

While yes it is garbage it's the player behind it that counts

Not the tank

[wide plume]

Now you're going to suggest a nerf then im going to say "what about the next broken tank?" Then you'll say nerf it too. Then the next broken thing comes along gets mono stacked and abused and the cycle repeats. Break the cycle. Stop the mono 3 stack. Stop reacting and be proactive. Place a limiter on the toxicity

[reef burrow]

The point is you balance the tank then 3 stacking it doesn't matter

[reef burrow]

They need to focus on releasing balanced tanks

And maintaing that balance

[misty mirage]

What meat wants in his mind is a limit in platoons so like one tank of each class only so one heavy one med and one light etc

[reef burrow]

No offence thats a stupid idea

[misty mirage]

But even then you can still be "toxic" even with that

[wide plume]

But we know thats literally an impossible outcome WG is determined to release broken things. You are living in a fantasy land. Im trying to engineer an actual solution.

[outer grove]

Except you arent

[misty mirage]

.. can we get this guy gone or smth

[reef burrow]

The platoon system will improve if the devs focus on fixing broken tanks

[misty mirage]

He makes less sense every hour

[reef burrow]

I suggest that be your feedback

[misty mirage]

^

[reef burrow]

Fix broken tanks so 3 stacking them isnt op

[misty mirage]

I do agree suggest nerfing tanks which they are slowly doing instead

[outer grove]

Ruining platoons is not a solution

Its creating a less fun game for people who want to play with friends.

[reef burrow]

Also keep in mind good players are likely to platoon to help their odds.
So that is a factor too. 3 man platoons are likely to be more experienced and passionate about the game

More so the ur just jumped on for a game random

[wide plume]

I am. Not allowing toxic tanks to mono 3 stack and ruin lobbies and steal everyone's fun is my solution

[reef burrow]

This is like beating a dead horse

[misty mirage]

Crazy comparison but true

[reef burrow]

@wide plume your obviously not taking on board anyone else's opinions or comments.
You have an idea in your head and will only abide by that.
I have said my piece.
Good day sir

[wide plume]

Bruh i hate seeing it on my team let alone fighting it.

[outer grove]

Then play co-op.

You wont fight platoons.

[misty mirage]

^

[reef burrow]

Sorry, lmao being one of the few Aussies in here I need to dull down my slang a bit hahah

[misty mirage]

Omg an Aussie no wonder the comparison holy based

[reef burrow]

Or better yet, platoon up yourself to even the odds?

[wide plume]

I have literally compromised 3 times in this thread....

[vapid pulsar]

WG is gonna release broken tanks to boost sales then restrict people from playing those tanks?

[severe bane]

Whats wromg with being a part of decoy???

Ur just a sad lil girl who whines and complains about every little thing in the game

[misty mirage]

[reef burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/all-aussie-adventure-aussie-adventure-australia-russell-coight-gif-25064375

[misty mirage]

Btw I'm your dumbed down cousin just with nerve striking insults

You can guess where I'm from just from that alone

[wide plume]

I was hoping you wouldn't be smart enough to realize that. It only took you 1776 comments to put those 2 things together.

Doesn't make it fair or right though. Its the most probable reason my suggestion wont ever be acted upon but it doesn't mean I wont stop trying

[misty mirage]

Yap yap yap

I've seen two year olds have tamer whining sessions than this

[vapid pulsar]

So what’s the point of your whole argument if you know it’s flawed? Is this all bait? If so it’s top class lol

[severe bane]

Wah Wah Wah

Crybaby lmao

[wide plume]

The argument isnt flawed from a gameplay perspective just a business perspective. Wallet warriors love abusing players and WG turns a blind eyes cause they get a check. Its the equivalent of the coach putting in the annoying arrogant bench warmer who refuses to practice and learn just because his dad gives the booster club for the team a fat donation at the end of the season.

[misty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-gif-27442765

[severe bane]

"Wallet warriors" sybau ur pushing 50 and calling people wallet warriors😂😂

Ur a genuine manchild

Lock in bro

[misty mirage]

And y'all did it too love y'all

[wide plume]

Why does wanting fair games make me a manchild or a little girl?

[misty mirage]

My honest reaction seeing your dull arguments

[outer grove]

A large part of it is because your idea doesnt make the game more fair, ruins fun for anyone with more than 1 player, and have called multiple players dumb or illiterate.

[vapid pulsar]

You said you don’t want fair games though. You already admitted that

[severe bane]

Translating this sentence to: "im a little crybaby who whines and cries that people are better than me at the game and i suck so bad so i want to take away peoples ability to play with each other because im so bad"

[misty mirage]

[misty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/this-man-tomato-react-him-gif-18280967348063275642

[wide plume]

Im a legit uni. Im not bad, I just know how much copium is being huffed

[misty mirage]

You're huffing the highest amounts

I'm an average and I can't care less about stacks let the players play

If they have fun leave em

[wide plume]

I think I have said in this thread "I want fair games" probably over 100 times

[misty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/we-don't-care-gif-1061575578920733370

[severe bane]

Ur a cold war farmer lil buddy

[misty mirage]

Check his most played tank

[severe bane]

Pipe down ur coping so hard

[wide plume]

I play both...

[wide plume]

Its obj 430 ll that grind took forever with no premium

If you guys dont have suggestions btw feel free to leave🤷‍♂️

[vapid pulsar]

So you want 15v15, no platoons, everybody in the same tank?

[wide plume]

Those words have never been uttered by me

[misty mirage]

If you stop and realise you won't win we'll leave how about that

[vapid pulsar]

Anything else is unfair and you said you want fair

[misty mirage]

If you don't admit your point ain't gonna get across and you are in fact not winning we ain't leaving

[wide plume]

Your gang mentality and lack of empathy is disheartening. Your arrogance is palpable and I hope you like it here cause im not letting this die.

[misty mirage]

Hey nothing wrong with arrogance against people like u

[severe bane]

I suggest you delete this thread because all youve done is make a GIANT fool of yourself and no one really cares for what you have to say

[wide plume]

You can have different tanks you just simply shouldn't be allowed to put your finger on the scale so heavily like mono 3 stacks allow you to do.

[misty mirage]

You're just embarrassing yourself here meat..

[vapid pulsar]

Nope. Some tanks are more powerful than others. The only way to ensure fairness is the same tanks

[severe bane]

"Im not letting this die" bro you sound like a child😭😭

[outer grove]

Just say you dont want platoons. Period.

[misty mirage]

Probs is

Or just a grown guy acting like one

[severe bane]

Hrs probably an age regressor

[misty mirage]

Yeah

[outer grove]

Platoons create an unfair advantage regardless of the tanks.

To say you want to remove all unfair things, then you need to remove platoons, every over tuned tank, every bad tank.

And as I said earlier, this thread does not create a more fair game, just a less fun one.

[wide plume]

This isnt a place to admit your fetishes like its weird you brought that here and oddly specific please dont

[wide plume]

They give an edge for sure but you can heavily skew the outcome mono stacking certain tanks. Stop allowing for the compounding of toxicity

[severe bane]

You have a humiliation fetish buddy

You have a fetish to age regress and be publicly humiliated

This post is a genuine humiliation ritual

[wide plume]

Its a genuine balance concern. Once again this is not a discord server about those fetishes please stop its really weird.

[silver isle]

This is the vibe I'm getting

"They're only an issue when together"

[reef burrow]

Bruh the toxic tanks aren't even that toxic

People act like their immune to damage

[vapid pulsar]

Toxic is toxic no matter how frail

[reef burrow]

Ehhh idk i have bumped night stalkers in my tier 8 spaghetti TD

Like if you get the drop on them it aint that hard

[void fox]

And I clipped a deathstar in Nightstalker

[reef burrow]

I think we have to go into the battle going " shiii this tank can cause trouble here" how am.i gonna counter that shii

Sorry im getting off topic

Platoons are fine

Op tanks need to be toned down

Even then, no one is stopping you from playing op tank or platooning

If everyone can do it then its fair no?

[gleaming sandal]

The Gau 8 has a few tanks it can't do much to, mainly bzt although it has an Achilles heel it's not really an easy spot to pen, there's a few meds that can destroy the Gau 8 as well.

[last tartan]

The bzt-70 is completely invulnerable to the gau-8 especially if you're running spall liner

[wide plume]

Seen gau gang luckily i was working on amx line so I could fight back. That mono stack platoon dpm go crazy seen 63hg get evaporated

[hexed merlin]

2.17s of one Gau-8 firing on target vs 1.05s of 3 Gau-8s feels pretty insignificant imo

[wide plume]

158,967 combined dpm......

One per platoon is plenty my dude

[hexed merlin]

One per platoon would definitely be the most effective way to use it, as focus firing with Gau-8s is kinda pointless. The optimal TTK is so fast that multiple firing at the same target actually loses efficiency.

[wide plume]

I cant believe you just typed a comment in the defense of 159k dpm....
You fail to account for bleed through ganking and perma tracking.
Dude im not stupid dont try to type something in the defense of 159k dpm

[hexed merlin]

Its not really a defense, I am saying that its basically a meme team composition that does not really synergize with itself. 3 Gau-8s going for chip damage is not particularly threatening (especially with spall liner) and its genuinely one of the worst tanks possible for tracking a tank

[wide plume]

If they all focus cupolas its dangerous and it's not bad at tracking tanks your literally just wrong 🤷‍♂️

Like it has a continuous 3700 round mag my dude

[last tartan]

The 3700 rounds doesn't mean much when it can't shoot more then a few seconds in sustained fire before it's in overheat lockout for 20 seconds why you fire it in bursts

[outer grove]

They are good if you arent all focusing the same target.

[hexed merlin]

Yeah thats what I said in the first message

[outer grove]

More about the 1 per platoon part

[hexed merlin]

You could have em but it's not really something that is good for supporting copies of itself imo. They could pick their own fights but can't focus fire or provide support like a mixed platoon could

[wind depot]

Gau is genuinely one of the worst tanks possible for tracking?

[last tartan]

Ironically

Even tho it's absolutely dumping hundreds of 30mm rounds at once figured it be really good at perma tracking

[wind depot]

And how do you gentlemen come to this conclusion?

[hexed merlin]

In a support scenario I'd rather have something that can take the tracks in one tap. It's fine at taking the tracks when it's able secure kills for itself. It's not something I'd want to peek with to track for a teammate repeatedly when I cannot get the kill myself

And like I said before, a platoon of 3 GAU-8s doesn't strike me as people "stat padding" or "abusing" anything. To me it comes across more as a funny platoon that lacks coverage

[wind depot]

Yeah idk about all that. It works great for me

[wide plume]

2649 dps says otherwise. Not damage per minute thats damage per second

[vapid pulsar]

That sounds about right for dpm against anything except lights frontally

[hexed merlin]

Might just be a me issue ig. The combo of weak turret, meh mobility, and slightly longer expose time had me getting hit in the turret a bit to much in the games I tried it for.

[outer grove]

Most tanks tbf. Only T-series tanks, and a handful of heavies arent pennable frontally by the Gau-8.

Light tanks get HE

[wide plume]

Once again that 2649 dps not dpm

[vapid pulsar]

No, dpm is right for the stuff it can’t pen

[wide plume]

A platoon of gau 8 has a combined dpm of 159k damage. What are you confused about? I get im explaining basic math in a wot discord but come on. That dps number is insane

Each gau has dpm of 52,989 hp

52,989x3=159,967 hp (a platoon of gau-8s combined dpm)

159,967÷60= 2649Hp of damage done per second for a platoon of gau-8s

Roving instant death squad for all but heaviest of tanks and even still with continuous perma tracking with 3700 round continuous mag as soon as one gets around to the rear you are still dead

[vapid pulsar]

By your logic the waffle has 22400 dpm

If you can’t pen you’re averaging ~2 damage per shot. Uptime without overheating is what, 25-30%. My bad, the combined dpm of 3 is around 5000 on something they can’t pen

In any case, I generally consider the gau8 borderline toxic despite the absurd stat card. Slow and weak unless you can pen. Spin up time and overheating really limit shot opportunities

[last tartan]

That 52k dpm literally means nothing

You know why?

Because it can't shoot infinitely without consequences

Even if it could it has terrible pen so most things can block it easily

That 52k dpm is the theoretical dpm if it could constantly shoot but since it can't it's dpm is astronomically smaller

[wide plume]

Thats why I broke it down to dps because of the overheat mechanic(which is about to get commanders skills to nullify that weakness)

Its not null @last tartan it has a continuous mag and never needs to reload. I know how this works.

[last tartan]

Yeah uh so do i but you're just blowing this out of proportion my guy the gau-8 is both crap and op at the same time it's extremely situational

Tanks it can pen get vaporized tanks it can't pen it either does next to nothing to or literally does nothing to

Doesn't really change when's there is a platoon of them

The gau-8 is so situational most of the time it can't do much but if the perfect opportunity arrives it can absolutely delete multiple tanks lightning fast

[wide plume]

Look man I see broken op platoons I post it here thats why I made this thread. Sorry I know how to do basic math🤷‍♂️

[last tartan]

Nah I think you've just lost the plot to put it bluntly

[wide plume]

Nope this thread is literally about what I just posted in my previous comment and is what it will continue to be about.

[last tartan]

Considering multiple people have said exactly why your ideas can't work but refuse to listen nor understand why it can't work you just go on and on in a circle with it

[little sundial]

The gau is probably my most played cold war tank, its situational. You can full pen all t-72,t-80,m60,amx30,leopard chieftan and centurion variants in the side for a FULL pen. The tank definitely works best with 1 in a platoon, you can track the tank, have your teammate eat the shot and then go around to the side and full pen the sides of a tank. The amount of times ive full penned through front drive wheels with the tank is hilarious. You can also full pen a fv4211 cupola and side of the tank if you aim under the spaced armor it has lol. Just track it then full pen for a insta kill.

However the tank cant fight t62 variants at all, as they have too much side armor and also cant fight the ramses

[gleaming sandal]

I hate to agree but as others stated there's an overheat mechanic and if you overheat it's like 16 seconds to cool down and for not overheating in the red it takes 12-16 seconds to cool down fully.

[gleaming sandal]

Yha once it hits certain tanks it's unable to do much unfortunately it's a tank you run next to another heavy or medium it's one of the best support tanks that doese well at being support and hunting light armored tanks.

[little sundial]

The wiesal killer if era 2 for sure

[gleaming sandal]

Yes any any other pesky tanks that exist there as well.

Just wish there was more tech trees added.

[soft kraken]

More Tech Trees would just make more cannon foder the all the SPAAGs and auto cannon lights with the added issue of zero Premium silver bonus.

[wide plume]

Yes there is an overheat mechanic which if you ever trip the cool down youre a bad player. @little sundial just listed the things he's been blowing through. But once again this tank is not the only culprit in the cancerous triple mono stack category

[wide plume]

Just seen osorio gang it was real cool😒

[zealous tendon]

3 good players in any 3 tanks will steamroll a majority of the games

[wide plume]

You fail to see my point if thats your takeaway and didn't read the original post.

[zealous tendon]

i fail to see how tank composition makes any difference in platoons

[wide plume]

No way youre that clueless 🙄

[pastel zealot]

How is this thread still going😂

47 downvotes btw

[misty mirage]

cuz the guy just cant admit to anything

[wide plume]

The only thing to admit is I want fair games....

[hexed merlin]

This is evoking the spiderman pointing image for me

[wide plume]

What? Bro practically said all tanks and platoons are equal. Its literally a false statement

[silver isle]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-you-point-spiderman-mirror-gif-16673460

[pastel zealot]

I cant with this guy

[vapid pulsar]

He's either having some serious issues or is the most impressive baiter of all time

[zealous tendon]

a 3 man rogal platoon of 40% players will lose to a 3 man is7 platoon of 65+% players

you could probably win that with 3 rinos vs 3 40% rogal players

[wide plume]

Im literally sitting on a 2723 30 day wn8 with no gold spam or premium consumables. This is literally me pointing out a toxic practice i see everytime I load up the game🤷‍♂️

[silver isle]

Nobody said it wasn't toxic

[vapid pulsar]

You there, stop having fun

[silver isle]

We just disagree with you trying to be fun police

[vapid pulsar]

And the methodology is useless. Oh no, my triple rogal is impossible. Guess I go rogal, taran, avre instead. And it's probably stronger since tripling the same class is subject to map variations

[silver isle]

Platoons also might be one of the things keeping this game from dying

[covert saffron]

I tried to point out exact combo before. Waste of time.

[zealous tendon]

oh no i cant triple is7, guess ill go 277 is7 260

still winning 80%+ of games but its not the same tanks

[vapid pulsar]

OP's solution: doesn't stop people from running toxic 3 man platoons. Does stop people from meming and having fun in platoons

[wide plume]

Then why are fighting me so hard if you know its toxic???

[silver isle]

Because your solution doesn't work

[vapid pulsar]

When will it learn how to read?

[silver isle]

Just because someone identifies the same problem as me, doesn't mean I agree with their solutions

[hexed merlin]

...also because it's not using the same vehicle that makes it toxic

[wide plume]

Then propose a solution 🙆‍♂️

[silver isle]

I did

You didn't like it

[vapid pulsar]

He somehow doesn't get that this is all opinionated and his arguments aren't changing our minds

[silver isle]

sniff Ackthually, this is a fact based argument

[wide plume]

Your solution was nerfs.... a bandaid solution that crumbles as soon as new op things are added

[silver isle]

My solution was nerfs + more open balancing discussion

Conveniently left that second part out

[vapid pulsar]

And we don't think your solution actually solves anything. And it limits fun

[silver isle]

Do you see a T95E6, Taran, Rogal platoon and go, "Well atleast it's not triple Maus..."

[wide plume]

You mean the thing that doesn't exist. I didn't conveniently leave out anything. We have all seen what WG has been releasing and what's made it out of super testing.....

I love the idea don't get me wrong

[vapid pulsar]

There's no set of platoon restrictions (besides a restricted tank list) that actually stops people from running 3 toxic tanks

[silver isle]

And I'd rather encounter a toxic platoon once in awhile than be heavily restricted on what I can play with friends

[vapid pulsar]

And this is the part he doesn't get. He can't change our minds on this

[silver isle]

It doesn't even happen that often to me

And you legit cannot even argue, "what about the fun for the other 27" when people play this game, get 1 shot of damage, die, and then say they had fun

[vapid pulsar]

One platoon restriction I would be for would be extending the 1x per platoon restriction from arty to all 1:1 matched tanks (AVRE, Taran, 249 currently)

[wide plume]

Its not even a heavy restriction my dude.

The following proposed fixes for triple mono stack are as follows

1. A different class must be represented by each member of the platoon(forcing teamwork and strategy)
2. Every platoon member must play a different vehicle
3. Identical premiums cannot be in same platoon.

[wide plume]

See now we're having a discussion ill add it to the list

[silver isle]

I could see that to aid to the matchmaker

That's about it

[vapid pulsar]

Yeah it's a matchmaker helper rather than a balance issue

[silver isle]

That's a fairly heavy restriction

Which still doesn't fix anything

[vapid pulsar]

How does that stop toxic platoons?

[silver isle]

Oh no, we can't play triple IS-4 anymore... Guess we gotta play Murat, Grille 15, Leman Russ

Idk about you guys

But I'd rather the IS-4s

[vapid pulsar]

Another platoon restriction I would be for is that nobody can play arty in a platoon

[hexed merlin]

These are all rancid and I hate them

[silver isle]

That's a class issue though, not an all platoon issue

[forest island]

Just seems more tank balancing issue vs platoons as other had said. 3 players could use tbe worse tanks and still cake walk if they wanted to.

[wide plume]

At least they all have different reloads and play styles. Im not saying a platoon still can't be good. Im literally just trying to limit toxicity

[vapid pulsar]

Platooned arty is honestly easier to play against. Avoid the platooned tanks and arty won't shoot you

[vapid pulsar]

How does it limit toxicity?

[forest island]

Maybe a restriction on the odd set few but go to heavy handed on it and it just make platooning more of a headache not just for the players but then for the servers to have to take into account.

[wide plume]

No identical premiums is literally the least restricting option and gives you a plethora of other options

[silver isle]

Can't 3 stack my Rinocerontes anymore, they were too toxic 🥀

[wide plume]

You will never see triple avre stack again id say thats pretty nice.... no t249 triple stack....no osorio triple stack all steps in the right direction

[silver isle]

I'd rather see a T249 triple stack than Taran, Rhm PzW, Murat

[vapid pulsar]

Yeah my Molot, Osario, (insert best tt mbt here) platoon is so fair
Or Taran/AVRE/Rogal
Or Mk1, GAU8, Even 12
Or FV10x, 4005, M103

[silver isle]

Here's my solution

We just ban platoons

Ez fix

[vapid pulsar]

I fail to see how the rules proposed have stopped toxic platoons

[wide plume]

Not saying any of those tanks are bad they aren't but they do play different. This entire thread got started cause I was sick and tired of seeing the mk1 triple mono stack

[silver isle]

Because Mk1, Molot, Osario is so much better to fight

Platoons are going to be inherently toxic, but they are fun so we don't care

Toxic tanks are an issue

Trying to fix the time when the two cross doesn't actually fix any base issues

[wide plume]

I know im arguing with people who engage in the practice and I know you dont care because of that reason. Im not going to be quiet it about. I just want more fair games

[silver isle]

I'm not entirely sure what moral high ground you seem to think you take.

This thread stands as a testament that players like fun over fair.

[vapid pulsar]

We engage in what practice? Having fun playing a video game?

[hexed merlin]

The despicable act of playing with friends!

[last tartan]

Why is this still going

Going in circles are we

[wide plume]

I have no problems with people playing with friends. I have a problem when their "fun" comes at the cost of the rest of the lobby

[forest island]

You deserve a ban nate. Can't try and meme around in a 3 man chi ri platoon anymore.

[hexed merlin]

I'll take note that triple ontos ruins lobbies 🙏

[last tartan]

Triple t62m1,s truly game breaking

3 of the same tank is hardly ever a actual problem

Yes there are exceptions but not many and there's is a pretty easy solution it's called nerfing them

[silver isle]

Again, speaking for everyone else in the lobby

The most representative group of average WoT players are the ones on the FB groups, and they are very vocal about having fun even when they only do 1 shot of damage

[forest island]

Could also give the exact same tanks to two separate sets of players, one group does ridiculous well, the other dont. We all agree some tanks need nerfs across the board but those tanks can be wildly different depending on who's actually playing them.

[wide plume]

You already said earlier you didn't value other people's opinions or experiencs. I've messaged players before who died fighting the good fight in a lobby with me. And we've both been like yeah we lost as soon as we spawned cause of some op mono stack team the enemy had.

[silver isle]

Where did I say this?

[wide plume]

Thats you right?

[silver isle]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[wide plume]

Literally asked if you valued their opinions and you said "naw"