astral isle
So im grinding for leclerc and currently im at the bottom tier era 2 amx 30b
I gotta say its a pain heat in general wont work
I was hoping we can add even a low pen 340 347mm apfsds to it i will reach the mid tier amx in 40k xp so its mainly for the benefit of other players
And i really think in general this tank needs standard apfsds heat sinply doesnt work in era2
lyric fog
Some of the AMX 30s have a gun upgrade that has a APFSDS premium shell
astral isle
Some of the AMX 30s have a gun upgrade that has a APFSDS premium shell
Yeah but the bottom tier the first era 2 doesnt believe me i would be paying premium shell price for even a 347mm apfsds pen on it
thick bridge
The 30b never had APFSDS
The 30b2 is when it got APFSDS
Which is represented in-game
thick bridge
Why?
At that point you might as well remove the 30b and make the 30b2 a tier 1 instead of a tier 2
astral isle
At that point you might as well remove the 30b and make the 30b2 a tier 1 instea...
Bro by that logic shouldnt the line of type 90 have only type 61
2 type 74s?
velvet bay
Run gold rounds
astral isle
Run gold rounds
It doesnt have any if it had i would 🙁
velvet bay
Is that the one without?
astral isle
Is that the one without?
Yeah the first one in era 2
velvet bay
I totally forgot, its been a long time since l went up that road
astral isle
I totally forgot, its been a long time since l went up that road
Yeah i dont blame you its a bad tank
Im nearly done with it and im an ok player i was hoping maybe this suggestion can make the grind easier for other players
Especially the newer ones
velvet bay
Yeah i dont blame you its a bad tank
Im nearly done with it and im an ok player...
From amx30b2 its great tanks
velvet bay
I sure hope so bro
They are very powerful
astral isle
🥳
astral isle
Amx30b2, 32, 40 and Leclerc is very nice. Amx40 is a monster
Well thats the only hope keeping me grinding
velvet bay
Well thats the only hope keeping me grinding
Are you far away from the next?
astral isle
37k xp
gentle wharf
I've personally found HEAT-only viable in Era 2.
Not without difficulty, mind, but it is doable
astral isle
I've personally found HEAT-only viable in Era 2.
Not without difficulty, mind, b...
Well i have lots of problems with heat.
this doesnt seem very popular for some reason woth people and tbh idont know why
balmy smelt
I've personally found HEAT-only viable in Era 2.
Not without difficulty, mind, b...
Have you played the amx 30b in era 2 much ?
gentle wharf
Have you played the amx 30b in era 2 much ?
Not that tank specifically, but I have plenty of experience in the Ontos and WZ-141
balmy smelt
But the the wz-141 has missiles as well
gentle wharf
But the the wz-141 has missiles as well
An astute observation!
However, I generally primarily use the recoilless rifle.
Remember, the AMX 30 has the 20mm as well
velvet bay
Well i have lots of problems with heat.
this doesnt seem very popular for some...
It is doable, but is more missory than fun.
balmy smelt
An astute observation!
However, I generally primarily use the recoilless rifle.
...
It’s nowhere near as good as missiles though is it
gentle wharf
It’s nowhere near as good as missiles though is it
Very much depends on the intended target, and it is not the main point of discussion here.
The HEAT rounds are very comparable
velvet bay
An astute observation!
However, I generally primarily use the recoilless rifle.
...
Its just more troubling as there are a lot of spaced armor, some do very well with heat, but mostly its more work than rewards. Light vehicles it works fine, but era 2 is a 💩 show so heat are better left out
astral isle
Guys the point of this post isnt that heat is useable or not
Its that i think the tank can use a low pen apfsds
balmy smelt
I agree the tank needs a apfsds round
gentle wharf
Its just more troubling as there are a lot of spaced armor, some do very well wi...
Knowing where to penetrate with HEAT on all potential targets is a worthwhile skill. Era 2 is difficult, but almost all tanks are steel armour with ERA slapped on after the fact. Not much in the way of composite.
Like I said, I generally do fine with HEAT. I know where to shoot enemy tanks to avoid the armour that does resist HEAT.
Funnily enough, it's usually the same places ATGMs are safe to shoot at. There's a crossover here.
velvet bay
Guys the point of this post isnt that heat is useable or not
Its that i think ...
I see your struggle 😎
velvet bay
Knowing *where* to penetrate with HEAT on all potential targets is a worthwhile ...
Atgm's just mess you up on about 90% of the tank' if rng say yes its 100%
A bit mor difficult to do good wit heat my dear friend
gentle wharf
Atgm's just mess you up on about 90% of the tank' if rng say yes its 100%
That's not entirely accurate. You probably have shoddy luck, but ATGMS are actually listed as a type of chemical round and does get resisted by composite armour. ERA too.
Era 2 has some weird armour layouts, as it is filled with low budget upgrades of older tanks and odder prototypes, so has some tanks rather resistant to ATGMs.
velvet bay
That's not entirely accurate. You probably have shoddy luck, but ATGMS are actua...
Normally l stay away from atgm's, but sometimes it requires and it seldom bouncing off anything.
gentle wharf
Normally l stay away from atgm's, but sometimes it requires and it seldom bounci...
Could you possibly rephrase that? Not entirely sure what you're saying.
Also note that I routinely play in Era 2. ATGM penetration is lower, and bouncing does happen. Era 3 plays differently
Also, let's not make this into yet another ATGM bicker-fest. Let's focus on HEAT
dense narwhal
Never got it therefore realistically shouldn't
The entire point of that tank is to bridge between the A and B2 in capabilities
It's just another bottom tier era 2 you gotta get past
Even still, it's one of the better bottom era 2s
velvet bay
Could you possibly rephrase that? Not entirely sure what you're saying.
Also no...
Play atgm seldom and when l do it do huge damage most of the time. Heat do not do that.
Era2 is as bad as anything with missile.
fleet plank
At that point you might as well remove the 30b and make the 30b2 a tier 1 instea...
qw have fake gi tanks who cares abouts ur realism
elfin gulch
So im grinding for leclerc and currently im at the bottom tier era 2 amx 30b
I g...
Bro the thing is so op its not funny. The only thing needs to happen to amx in era 2 is have its premium shell deleted so you're forced to use heat to balance your insane dpm
balmy smelt
Bro the thing is so op its not funny. The only thing needs to happen to amx in e...
What is op ?
thick bridge
qw have fake gi tanks who cares abouts ur realism
The only fake tanks from the GIJoe stuff is the armadillo and both Hiss'.
The Mauler is based of the HSTV-L.
You can argue the MOBAT and COBRA are based off either the MBT70/KPZ70 or the XM803.
fleet plank
you realize half of the tank are fake BP tanks right
lets not pretend the some of warhammer tanks are real
lets not pretend that hp bars are realistic
lets not pretend mercenary tanks are straight up 2 tanks slapped together
shut arch
Bro by that logic shouldnt the line of type 90 have only type 61
2 type 74s?
No. All the tanks in the CW JP line are real.
shut arch
you realize half of the tank are fake BP tanks right
In CW there is only 9 BP tanks. All of those are real vehicles, just never built.
I do not count collab tanks.
shut arch
lets not pretend mercenary tanks are straight up 2 tanks slapped together
Believe it or not, but a lot of them are. In CW the Warden is a very real thing.
fleet plank
cool there no such thing as realism I this game
if my loader dies my gun shouldn't load
atp just give us war thunder
shut arch
if my loader dies my gun shouldn't load
Commander
Gunner can also take over loading, it'll just take a while.
fleet plank
jack of all trades be like
like
YOU
OK enough derailing
but that thing really needs a apcr round
missiles you can guide
heat you pray for rng
shut arch
Its fine with HEAT.
shut arch
Im also good at using HEAT in era 2.
The vast majority of era 2 tanks do not have any compsite or composite armor.
Its literally just an issue of learning armor models.
elfin gulch
What is op ?
The dpm combined is 8600 its insane and that's un-upgraded, no equipment, no rations, no commander. You're fast, armored a little with 360 turret and have depression. When you get to brenus youre literally a god on the battlefield as you can even block atgms. There are people who play with these tanks with fully upgraded commander slots with 9 slots, full equipment, 3 premium consumables, and a gold rack which gives them access to the dart with last 2 amx's in era 2. The leclerc TT is the easiest in the game hands down. If a tank has two weapon systems I dont think it should get access to prammo even more than i already think prammo should be deleted. The fact that the amx's and things like bagelpanzers and ignis get access to prammo is absolutely ludicrous.
Amx line should have to wait to get access to a dart till era 3 instead era 2 is it realistic to have the dart yes but from a balance perspective no. Sorry @velvet bay
My brenus with no upgrades goes 65 and my dpm is 11,171. Thats without the upgraded gun, no rations, the reload equipment, and 6 slot commander. I haven't bought any upgrades for the line in era 2 cause its so broken but I might for brenus since its top of era 2.
This line needs no buffs only nerfs
balmy smelt
The dpm combined is 8600 its insane and that's un-upgraded, no equipment, no rat...
You think the amx 30b is op ?
elfin gulch
You think the amx 30b is op ?
Yes.....every tank in leclerc line is crazy good except for the leclerc itself ironically. You not read what I typed?
They suffer in no stat except the era 1 tanks that are paper
As someone who is through 90% of all cw tech trees ,that tech tree does not need to be buffed in any way shape or form.
fleet plank
The vast majority of era 2 tanks do not have any compsite or composite armor.
It...
also
the vast majority of heat is premium
unless ur German
thick bridge
unless ur German
Even Germany has heat as premium on afew tanks
fleet plank
standard apcr should make up for it yeah
astral isle
I dont understand why having a made up apfsds with low pen for amx 30b in era 2 is such no no
If you all care so much about realism in the bio of te tank they can leave a disclaimer like this
this vehicle never had apfsds in this model its not historically accurate but for the balkce of game play we have provided it
thick bridge
Adding a APFSDS round to the tank literally defeats the purpose of the amx30b2
astral isle
Irrelevant
astral isle
Leopard 1 has apfsds but it doesnt defeat the purpose of leopard 1a3 and 1a5
thick bridge
Leopard 1 has apfsds but it doesnt defeat the purpose of leopard 1a3 and 1a5
Because the Leo 1a3 has a completely different turret design to the 1 and 1a5
astral isle
You are just making excuses at this point
thick bridge
I'm really not
astral isle
Amx 30b can have 347mm of apfsds and the b2 will be a natural improvement as all lines are and can have more pen
Its that simple
dense narwhal
Leopard 1 has apfsds but it doesnt defeat the purpose of leopard 1a3 and 1a5
Because leopard 1 always had apfsds
AMX-30B didn't until the B2 model
The entire point of the B is to bridge the gaps in capabilities between the 30A and B2
balmy smelt
Yes.....every tank in leclerc line is crazy good except for the leclerc itself i...
There is nothing op about the amx 30b
elfin gulch
There is nothing op about the amx 30b
What are you talking about? The dpm is crazy in that line
balmy smelt
It has garbage heat rounds and you think it’s op
elfin gulch
It has garbage heat rounds and you think it’s op
The rounds aren't garbage. I marked the tank with no equipment, no upgrades, no consumables.
Stop regurgitating what uni's say about heat. Is it as good as ap or apfsds no but it is still plenty viable. This line does not need buff at any point. I wish all the amx 30s had to use heat cause this line is absurdly powerful.
elfin gulch
It has garbage heat rounds and you think it’s op
Have you not looked at the dpm numbers????
balmy smelt
Have you not looked at the dpm numbers????
That’s the only thing you can big up about it
elfin gulch
That’s the only thing you can big up about it
Huh?
balmy smelt
The rounds aren't garbage. I marked the tank with no equipment, no upgrades, no ...
Do you think the footcruiser is op ?
elfin gulch
You keep going on about the dpm
In a game with health bars yeah its a pretty big deal....
Like really big
balmy smelt
So what it has a machine gun it’s main gun isn’t very good
What about the dpm of the vads and the gau 8
elfin gulch
So what it has a machine gun it’s main gun isn’t very good
Its is a very very capable all around tank and has the ability to instantly kill any enemy tank
elfin gulch
What about the dpm of the vads and the gau 8
Vads is where is should be gau almost is but not the point of this thread
balmy smelt
So what do you think should be done to the 30b ?
elfin gulch
So what do you think should be done to the 30b ?
Nothing its where it should be. If anything those autocannons need to be toned down
balmy smelt
The rounds aren't garbage. I marked the tank with no equipment, no upgrades, no ...
Not the fact that unicum players know what they are talking about then
balmy smelt
Nothing its where it should be. If anything those autocannons need to be toned d...
So why are you complaining about it then ?
elfin gulch
For context here are the tanks banned in comp
elfin gulch
So why are you complaining about it then ?
Every amx in era 2 should have to use heat
balmy smelt
Every amx in era 2 should have to use heat
No they shouldn’t
balmy smelt
For context here are the tanks banned in comp
All of them are premiums
elfin gulch
No they shouldn’t
Sorry we dont agree but the tanks are plenty op without apfsds. I feel so slimy when I play brenus
elfin gulch
All of them are premiums
You were the one that brought up gau vads and footcruiser figured id show you
They dont ban any tech tree tanks
balmy smelt
The op tanks in era 2 are way better than the brenus
elfin gulch
The op tanks in era 2 are way better than the brenus
We must be playing different games
Im doing like 11.1k dpm in brenus its stupid
balmy smelt
The machine gun wiesel the elc the bagel and so on
balmy smelt
We must be playing different games
Im doing like 11.1k dpm in brenus its stupid
You never ever get 11k damage in one minute
elfin gulch
The machine gun wiesel the elc the bagel and so on
Not saying they aren't good but the brenus and amx line is s tier just like them
balmy smelt
It’s not
elfin gulch
It’s not
If you're going to listen to uni's about heat listen to them about amx line its fility
balmy smelt
Missile tanks and op machine gun tanks have ruined era 2 not the amx 30s
I’m a super unicum player myself
fleet plank
your talking to a brick wall btw@balmy smelt
also hes talking out his behind as usual
elfin gulch
I’m a super unicum player myself
Ok so you know the amx can immediately insta kill enemy tanks?
balmy smelt
Missile tanks do that
balmy smelt
But they shouldn’t