#The AKV 151 needs a buff...

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vast token
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I know I know nobody loves arty... But that aside.

The new autoloader arty the AKV 151 is in my opinion as it is now a all around much more worse version of the equalizer.
It is slower and not as manuverable as the equalizer. It has only one option for its ammo and for me the worst part is that the AKV 151 only has 20 degrees of gun elevation...

That doesn't sound so bad but when you aim on someone behind a small rock or a slight hill you can't fire at the enemy.
On the other hand in the equalizer you can shoot at people behind rocks or hills because the shell fly in a steeper angle.

I know wg doesn't want to make this thing op but as it is now it's garbage and people shouldn't buy it

clear grotto
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no

autumn horizon
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I personally wished it was just a massive td, kind of like how you can play thr later produced bkan 1 c in warthunder. Kind of hard to make a good tier 8 arty without making it op, considering America and germany have such good artillery line ups at the same tier

lapis marsh
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Eeek. I haven't played any tier VIII arty since the big change years ago, it's totally useless. Never done more than 2000 damage in any game, no splash damage and not accurate enough to consistently achieve direct hits, it's just stupid, why would anyone use it? I've had more success as a TD

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It feels like in terms of damage the gun isn't too different from the pre-nerf FV304, between 200 and 400 with a direct hit, no splash damage and 800-900 with a pen, but of course the FV304 used to be a tier VI, was a lot more accurate and reloaded much more quickly

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Good thing I didn't pay any money for it, but I wish I still had those 7k gold with me

vast token
lapis marsh
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That was true many years ago, now it happens so rarely...

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At least with the M-53/55 and the Conqueror CG (the only two artys I use from time to time) you have enough splash that the shell with do something even if the shot wasn't aimed perfectly or the tank moves in an unexpected way, but with this there's no chance

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I had shells landing right next to someone's track and didn't even damage it, let alone stop him, and did between 0 and 20 damage, it's so stupid 😆

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If I fired an E100 HE in the same place it would do more damage

vast token
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Me for myself try my best to help my team when I play the arty and I often try to force heavys out of hull down positions and that's isn't easy with the AKV 151

lapis marsh
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I think the last time I saw a proper "static frontline" with mostly heavies being hull down or doing side scraping was like 7 years ago 😆

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And like yeah, that's clearly what arty "should" do, and for that, hitting slow tanks moving very predictably or being stopped this arty is just as good as any other, no complaints there from me, the problem is trying to hit anything but that, with 0 splash damage

unique talon
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This artillery is just straight up terrible

Inconsistent damage

Long reload

Very little accuracy

Just all around very bad

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Very little splash damage as well

limpid tree
unique talon
limpid tree
# unique talon Expected a decent artillery Seems they were so worried about making it a overp...

Did you check the stats before you bought it? To me it looked like the French tier 10 autoloader SPG Bat.-Châtillon 155 58 on PC (not sure if that exists on console), but nerfed into oblivion so I decided to skip it.

Watching some streams where the tank was played were also quite enlightening. They all did bad with it, but none of them dared to say anything. That confirmed my suspicion. I am kind of happy that the tech tree tanks are still quite good reducing the pay 2 win aspect in this game. AFAIK the only pay to win SPG in the game is currently 105 leFH18B2.

unique talon
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And the accuracy is bad and it struggles to shoot over anything

And don’t even get me started on the bloom

lapis marsh
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Arty, even before it was nerfed years ago never reably did anywhere near it's max damage potential

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The only way to get that damage is to have a full on penetration with the HE shell, which have very little pen and can get caught in all sorts of things like tracks, spaced armour, etc...

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You can improve your chances by aiming at less armoured part of the tank and hope the shells go exactly where you aim them, this more or less only works on stationary vehicles

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Although I had a couple of 900 hits here and there

unique talon
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The thing that really makes it bad is fire rate though

lapis marsh
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I'm not sure I agree either, the reload is decent and the intra-clip doesn't feel as unbearable as I thought

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For me it's just a matter of no splash together with bad accuracy

unique talon
lapis marsh
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If it just had a premium HE shell with more splash, just like the 53/55 it'd be fine IMO

lapis marsh
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Plenty of times where out of the 6 shots I fired only 1 was a direct hit and did 400dmg and the rest were all 0-40 damage because no splash

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But not having time to fire them seems a little extreme

unique talon
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It’s extremely punishing if you miss because the target moves last second

lapis marsh
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Yeah, that's no splash for you 😄

unique talon
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Had that happen a few times

lapis marsh
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Compare it with the 53/55 which has the same caliber gun, if your shot lands next to the tank, you still do 150-200 and often immobilise

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That's what I'd expect from a near miss for this caliber gun

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With this one it's often nothing, if you're luck track damage (not even immobilising the person) and 50 damage

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I'm guessing that's because the 53/55 has a premium HE shell, and I fire nothing but that and a couple AP

vernal palm
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ok i was joking but it’s well balanced arty.

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every autoloader tank including this one will be buffed after equipment/skill change.

vast token
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What i want to change could be changed through skills or equipment... The poor elevation is what realy annoys me...

amber sapphire
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Why does the AKV 151 only have one type of ammo? It’s a premium tank. Every tech tree Arty above a tier V has premium ammo or HEAT. Can you explain WOTMA??

vast token
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Other than armor

amber sapphire
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This Tank Needs it’s Premium HE! Why did you cripple it WOTMA? It’s bad enough it has a low 📐 gun trajectory. I wish I could get a refund!

zealous shadow
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If wg listens to this im actually deleting the game

zealous shadow
eager snow
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i must be honest it rly is bad. ive never played and arty so bad😳

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8k gold wasted😭

unique talon
eager snow
unique talon
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Using it is pain I would rather lick sand paper

eager snow
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Can't even shoot into the valley on lake ville its so bad

unique talon
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Think the reload should be 15 seconds 5 seconds a shell

eager snow
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the tier 9 is better in every way😂

zealous shadow
autumn horizon
eager snow
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Play the bat chat arty and you will barely be able to hir 2k damage 😅. Its so bad

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Other artys are actually good

autumn horizon
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I never really got why they nerfed it so much, the only thing that made the batchat artillery somewhat more viable to the obj261 was the 5 seconds intra clip

eager snow
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Only 3k damage for it

autumn horizon
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Probaly because the HE is God awful and so is the HEAT

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Id argue they should buff the Heat shells

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Not the HE

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Keep the HE low splash and make it unique in the fact it has fantastic Heat similar to the t92 AP round

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High risk for high reward

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But I mean I dont play arty so I wouldn't know if its any good or not 😅

eager snow
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Yeaa perhaps . Why play the 10 tho? The tier 9 has a 10 second reload with no clip and same stats🤣

vernal palm
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it’s reload will be something like 13-14 sec after change.

merry linden
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It deffinately needs a huge buff it is underperforming the Equalizer by 50%

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Its slow, its pen sucks, its arc sucks, it cant shoot AP so anyone with armor rushes you, there is no shotgunning going to save you, you are so slow you cant run away and reposition, and omfg the camo is whack

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Full clip reload 21 seconds, intra clip down to 5 seconds, terrain buff by 50%, camo buff by 35%

vernal palm
merry linden
vernal palm
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arty is already broken, even t8 arty can pen E4 roof and take half of it’s hp.

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this and the french one are only balanced arties.

merry linden
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Said like someone who never played arty for like 5 years

vernal palm
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i have played arty very recently.

merry linden
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I dont agree with your opinion and I play Arty have mained Arty for over 10 years

vernal palm
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tank that can hide and can shoot anywhere doesn’t need to be buffed.

merry linden
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If Artys so good you should see it in the top 3 all the time right? Because its sooo good and it shoots at people who cant shoot back so its alive a looong time right?

Wrong

merry linden
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TD shoot across whole map hidden never break camo

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So no your arguments bad

vernal palm
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saying arty needs buff is already bad.

merry linden
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Not even going to respond to your cliche arguments

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You are uninformed

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Do you own the AKV 151? No? Then full stop you have no place to say what needs what

vernal palm
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if tank that can stay hidden, has highest average alpha from all classes, and have highest standard penetrations is not op?

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  • can shoot anywhere.
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arty is fine as it is.

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every arty that i have played are already too good.

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if this one is worse than other artys, doesn’t mean it needs buffs, just nerf other ones.

merry linden
merry linden
merry linden
vernal palm
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if it’s bad, don’t play it, it’s only arty that i would keep in this game.

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also bishop is like 10x worse tier for tier.

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and it’s still fine imo.

merry linden
lament ferry
merry linden
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Lets let all the players that never played Light Tanks throw their opinions in and then we balance the Lights off feedback from people who never play em. Makes absolutely 0 sense

merry linden
vernal palm
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i could play t10 superheavy and lose 300-400hp for no reason.

merry linden
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Or your opinion means 0. Imo

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Anyone complaining about Arty still at this point is just whinge about Arty without playing them seriously at all.

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"Light tank spot me in bush! Nerf light tanks! Light tanks too fast cant hit them nerf them!" From someone who doesnt play light tanks its just whinge

lament ferry
merry linden
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Especially for tanks I dont own or never played?

lament ferry
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Im casual level player lights are most fun class also certain ones have so much potential some are dmg others spotting but they are only good on t8-10 era 1-3 their peak performance compared to tier is era1 fv107 is best tank of era1 in my opinion

merry linden
fair surge
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So what this thread is saying is that The Equalizer is too strong. Therefore, The Equalizer should be nerfed. Problem solved. 👍

livid fern
# vast token I know I know nobody loves arty... But that aside. The new autoloader arty the ...

I kinda wished it had the salvo mechanic but in autoloader version, being able to shoot more times and then reload longer by choice

Example: 3 round clip while each round shoots out 4 rounds
then you have perhaps a meter to fire, like a cooldown.
not for the barrel but for your own personal reload, making it so if the 4th shell comes out you have a choice either fire or wait for the cooldown

  • Cooldown will take +- minutes and if you do fire then your overall reload will be added up and you have to reload your clip longer

not sure how but perhaps this could be an interesting mechanic if we ever get the Swedish artillery branch

lapis marsh
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I thought that the whole arty topic was less polarising since they changed them years ago

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I guess some things never change ❤️

vast token
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limber mountain
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So you want to shoot people behind a rock? How much more you want to make people suffer

You basically dont want them to be ablr to defend themselves

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I bet you also drawn your own vehicle too

livid fern
swift frost
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@vast token

vast token
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So that's not really an option

ebon copper
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In regards to it needing a buff, it also needs re-modeling as the mechanism under the ammorack for loading shells should be collapsed as this will allow the tank to have it's actual gun elevation value of 40° instead of it's current 20°

eager snow
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It needs a buff. Worst arty ive ever played

north shell
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It’s actually the lack luster performance that made me pass over buying it. I’m not even an arty main but was excited to see it announced and dismayed when I saw how it performed.

merry linden
ebon copper
# ebon copper In regards to it needing a buff, it also needs re-modeling as the mechanism unde...

To further this, here's a warthunder forum post about the AKV 151, which contains the 40° elevation as well as additional information, such as ours has the wrong engine power and speed values.

https://forum.warthunder.com/t/akv-151-autoloaded-artillery-but-fast/242428

War Thunder — official forum
Akv 151 - Autoloaded artillery, but fast!

poll In 1958, as the cold war grew more and more cold, the Swedish defence ministry had started to realize that the risk of a global conflict between superpowers was now more than just speculation. And with the soviet union practically on their doorstep they felt that the threat of an invasion was too high to do nothing about. This sparked a sur...

limber mountain
amber sapphire
vast token