#Don’t Release these WW2 Balance Changes

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chilly flax
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WG, please don’t release these balance changes. We don’t want more alpha on every high tier 105mm and 120mms gun. The dpm buffs to stuff like the chisel and 30b and Progetto should be kept as well as mobility and armor changes but all of the alpha changes shouldn’t be included in the update. Please.

ebon dove
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I mean i like them personally, and if i dont mind them, there will be other's

lean basalt
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100% agree

chilly flax
ebon dove
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Alpha changes. Them buffing alpha too 440 on 120mm guns and 105mm guns is a personally love for me. The only thing im not a fan of is how uneven there distributed. 130mm guns are in a weird state with them alos having 440 alpha like the is 4

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It should just be more worldwide where tanks that are keeping 390 alpha and 400 alpha should be compensated with better reloads

chilly flax
ebon dove
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More alpha means that getting hit by a td is going to feel less influential for starters, as the 2 most popular gun caliber now hit harder.

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And also I encourage buffs

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And alot of these tank changes are just buffs

lean basalt
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Personally I just think td’s camo nets need changing also there alpha damage lowering aswell as a 50% arty reload nerf

chilly flax
ebon dove
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Well wargaming clearly agrees with my thought process

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They could nerf alpha of tds to 750

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Like pc

lean basalt
ebon dove
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But they obviously would rather up the damage than lower it to compensate

chilly flax
ebon dove
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I never said it was my dude

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You thinking it is a flex is sad

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😔

chilly flax
ebon dove
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Man your asking me and not wargaming.

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I dont have all the answers on why they went down this path

lean basalt
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Comes down to it no one really cared about all these changes main issue is taran avre and e4 for tier 10 taran reload or camo avre speed and reload e4 make its cupola weaker

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In tier 10

chilly flax
ebon dove
ebon dove
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Id rather every tank be strong than strong tanks be nerfed to the level of other tanks

chilly flax
ebon dove
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T 62 a got one

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And centurion AX

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Also health buffs would make ww2 like cold war

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Where more people just yolo push

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With this change it will discourage that

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As most things hit harder

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Therefore more punishing

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Detering stupid gameplay

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And punishing mistakes more

chilly flax
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If only punishment deterred stupid gameplay lol

ebon dove
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Im sure the yolo push stupid people will feel the extra damage

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You push 4 tanks for a yolo kill, a good amount of the tanks are hitting harder. And the guy pushing is going to most likely reload slower with the reload nerfs

chilly flax
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Well at least you finally gave an answer. I fundamentally disagree but at least I know where you stand and not to engage further

ivory furnace
ebon dove
ebon dove
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130mm guns became worse due to these buffs

ivory furnace
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100mm guns outside the t62a are going to be trash. A bunch of 105-120mm guns got forgotten and now 122mm guns have no defining trait outside of worse accuracy than the now buffed 120s

ebon dove
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Yeah the t62 A js just outright better.....

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Tanks like the 121 are also just worse now

ivory furnace
chilly flax
ebon dove
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Yeah they just keep buffing the t62 and not the other poor russians

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Atleast they got something

dull scroll
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121b is another 105 to not be buffed

ebon dove
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130mm guns need a buff. Because unless your hitting for 530/560. 490 130mm guns just feel worthless with the 120mm gun buff

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Amx 50b just inherently got nerfed and is a worse autoloader now

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And E 50 M is still worse than other mediums gun wise

ivory furnace
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Feels like a lot of work when they could have just gone after the problem tanks to start with

lean basalt
ebon dove
lean basalt
mellow dragon
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Because of how you buy premiums in this game, the worst they're having to do is refund your gold. The money is still spent since you didn't buy the tank for currency unless it was through the Xbox/PS Store specifically.

ebon dove
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Yeah im sure if people complain they'll get a gold refund

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I was debating to get the gold refund on the AAT60 or a tanke exchange but im too much of a collector to exchange it

ivory furnace
mellow dragon
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I think the Pz.Kpfw. 38H 735 (f) and AAT60 tier changes were a poor choice. They're gonna be a lot less capable in their new tiers.

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The rest of the patch I'm relatively fine with even if it is alpha creep which definitely is going to knock VIs and VIIs harder now, like they weren't already in hell as it is.

ebon dove
mellow dragon
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The Pz 38 won't hold up in tier III. It was a bully in II because they stopped adding I and IIs to the game. The later nations all had penetration creep which made short work of it.

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Now that they're returning, they'll also end up with a balance pass and it'll be relegated to oblivion for no reason at all.

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The AAT60 isn't nearly as competitive as it sounds. You wouldn't want that crap instead of an E4 that can butter through its face for just shy of half its HP.

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It severely lacks penetration to do the job. Just a pseudo medium tank added to the triangle mafia at this point. We have a degenerate number of TDs in WoTC matches as it is.

ebon dove
mellow dragon
ebon dove
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I agree

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But as a tier 10 td it is not going to do any good

mellow dragon
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The gap between IX and X is huge for TDs.

ebon dove
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I don't want a AAT 60 on my team and the enemy have a E4 at all 😂

wheat rose
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There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with a little buffs... seriously people cry about tanks that lack this or that & then they buff some that needed a little bit of help & still more people get upset??
Seriously.

mellow dragon
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Most of this patch is decent. Creeping damage up isn't a good balance edit because it has knock on effects across the stack. These edits are aimed at VIII~X. They affect VI~X. Last I checked, VI didn't need to get mowed down quicker by VIIIs.

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But this is +2/-2 and therefore should be taken into account.

ebon dove
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A tier 6 tank will verse a amx65 t with 440 alpha

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Very scary

mellow dragon
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That gun is a trap on that tank. The SA47 100mm is far better.

ivory furnace
ebon dove
mellow dragon
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That's fair. The 90 and 100 will have 2.4k base DPM tomorrow if that goes live. The 120 will be down at 1.7k

ebon dove
mellow dragon
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with worse handling characteristics.

ebon dove
mellow dragon
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Totally get it, Alpha is king when DPM is close enough.

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But with that disparity, i'm team SA47.

ebon dove
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There gettong buffed on the autoladers so more power too them

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Wow I take it back

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Those 100mm gun buffs are crazy

mellow dragon
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I'm still miffed they did my boy Somua SM / Nomad dirty. Thing needs its reload compensating.

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Yeah I wasn't kidding haha

ivory furnace
mellow dragon
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T-62A vs literally any Soviet MT

ebon dove
mellow dragon
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Console have the opposite of PC. PC love the 140 and it is the treasured child. T-62A is that on console with the roles reversed haha

ebon dove
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PC bugfs reload speeds, we now apparently to buff alpha but not for Germany.... F German tanks I guess.......

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The E 50 M should of had its gun turned into a laser beam with its alpha staying at 390

mellow dragon
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Overall thoughts on this patch:

  • Tier changes for the Pz.Kpfw. 38H 735 (f) and AAT60 should be reversed and reconsider the approach.
  • DPM anchored alpha increases should be left untouched.
  • DPM increases should be applied to those who received them with their current damage.
  • Handling buffs, siege mode / rapid mode additions and edits are all welcome.
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I don't hate the patch, just disagree on some fairly notable cornerstones of it unfortunately. It will make grinding techtree tanks a lot less painful in some aspects.
They left the WZ-111 Model 1-4 to still have to grind 140k with the tier VIII's gun in tier IX MM though pepehands

ebon dove
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I will be darting for the stb - 1 with this update

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Tank sounds crazy on paper

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Better siege mode

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Better accuracy

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More dpm

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More alpha

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More armor

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💥💥

mellow dragon
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Already have it, this change is gonna help that tank quite a bit. It was rough because the gun was derpy before. This should tighten it up quite a bit.

frigid bronze
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No news on Taran/AVRE??

mellow dragon
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Don't count on the armour though, it janked most standard ammo anyway and this won't fix the HEAT spam STB-1 dies to.

ivory furnace
frigid bronze
ebon dove
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But i get the heat abuse

mellow dragon
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It is to do with the shape of it. It isn't getting a side armour buff sadly so that'll remain overmatch city.

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35mm sides is agony.

ebon dove
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Its a hulldown tank anyways no?

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I think all these buffs are turret and upper plate

mellow dragon
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They are, just not meaningful numbers.

ebon dove
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Ah right

mellow dragon
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Unless you're gonna give it a good chance to block HEAT, it'll only defeat cheapskates.

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Makes it look better on paper but it'll die the same as before in practice.

ebon dove
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I always thought the tank was reliant on its bounce angles on the round turret anyways

mellow dragon
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At least now it'll have a more competent gun to shoot its way out.

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It was, that's why the armour doesn't change much.

jaunty shadow
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Those left behind with the alpha updates.
This lists only includes tier 9-10 heavies, mediums and lights, with exceptions for the GST Turm, Tortoise, Arrakis, T77 and TL-7.

° E 50M
° E 50
° Kamppanzer 50T
° Kunzepanzer
° Wind of Arrakis
° VK 45.02 (P) Ausf. B7
° E 75
° Kampfpanzer 07P(E)
° RHM PZW
° GST Turm
° Controcarro 1 Mk. 2
° Progetto C50 mod. 66
° Centauro CC 45 t
° Progetto M40 mod. 65
° Prototipo Standard B
° CS-63
° Sharpshooter
° Object 430
° Object 752
° IS-3-II
° Object 705
° Object 257
° T-10
° ST-I
° WZ-132-1
° 121B
° WZ-111 model 1-4
° TNH T Vz. 51
° Strv K
° Spirit of War Strv K
° Manticore
° Chieftain Proto
° Tortoise
° Cobra
° Bat.-Châtillon 25 t
° AMX 50B
° AMX 50 120
° Char Futur 4
° Lorraine/AMX M4
° Panhard EBR 105
° AMX 13 105
° Iron Arnie
° MVY
° M-VI-Y
° Sheridan
° Cobra T54
° TL-7
° T77

tardy grail
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Anybody who thinks reversing the AAT60 tier change is a good idea is wild

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It's WAY too strong as a tier 9, but is meta at tier 10 but not cracked out, especially after these balance changes

jaunty shadow
ebon dove
# tardy grail It's WAY too strong as a tier 9, but is meta at tier 10 but not cracked out, esp...

Well. Td matchmaking makes the tank not great alone. I dont want my team having a AAT60 and the enemy a E4. And im not disagreeing the tank isnt very good. But the tank will have a worse reload than all the new 105mm guns with 420 aloha besides the fv4202. And a large amount of the 120mm guns with 440 aloha like the e5,e6 and British heavies will have a faster reload than the AAT60. So just to recap a td with low td alpha which will be matched against 850 alpha guns, with worse dpm than most new heavy and medium guns at tier 10

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Not disagreeing the tank is amazing and good. However making it a tier 10 td is bad. Make it a medium.

tardy grail
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It should be a tier 10 regardless

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But yes, it should be a medium

ebon dove
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Yes completely agree