#We need to have a talk about strategy....

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narrow aspen
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Players need to learn where to go on maps much better than they do, im sick and tired of having the silliest teamates known to man. Just look at where they are going, it leaves the actual playable part of the map hung out to dry, this game relies too much on teamates being competent that you are screwed

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And don't get me started on the maps in this game, they are so awfully designed that you physically cannot play lights or TDs on 1/2 the maps in this game, sure i could've gone to the open field where 0 people go and did no damage, or I could just rot and die with my 0 health

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Then you have the players who just go "skill issue wa wa wa" these same players only play tier X and era 3 in the most broken tanks the game has to offer

high forge
narrow aspen
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Its why I miss true vision

high forge
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ww2 true vision was awful

narrow aspen
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Don't have to rely on my bumass light tank to run out and die

narrow aspen
left flower
fading jewel
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I'm assuming you're talking about the left map teammates. You're only a little over a minute in. How do you know they're not positioning to challenge the many other tanks that are always at 7A-C in the map grid? Two were in the dip in the 1 column for good cover and the other two are also behind terrain. The TDs are in good spots except maybe one. But again, it's a minute into the match. Show us one where they all out in the open. Their strategies just might not have aligned with your side. Did your team at least lose the match?

limpid lodge
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The Baby Waffle has a rear mounted turret

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You can easily get way closer, reverse out, take a shot, then forward back into cover

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It's actually usable in tight maps

elfin nebula
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And has a gun strong enough to smite just about anything

bitter citrus
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especially when using the 150mm

bitter citrus
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move with the team then you wont die and you get to get more damage

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sitting there complaining the team doesnt know positioning, sure. in that image it certainly isnt an ideal match, but work with what you have

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dont sit in place stubborn waiting to die

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true vision in ww2 was god awful

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wanting it back is just cope that you cant spot for yourself because you rely on the team so heavily, learn to play more tanks, learn better positioning

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and yes, no one is gonna be sympathetic towards td players

tardy tangle
# bitter citrus sitting there complaining the team doesnt know positioning, sure. in that image ...

See, I completely agree with this situationally, but there are countless times as a player where if I had just 2 tanks decide to stay with me and set up a cross fire. Or a hold, we would of won the entire game. Platooning in this game makes it 10 x easier. And I think maybe I can see some of the frustration from the post being from this maybe? I play on both servers and the USA server is way worse for everyone turning off there brain and following eachother, whereas on EU people sit back more and are more spread out from my experience, which makes you be able to be so much more flexible than USA servers where yoy are just forced to abandon a side of the map yoy know yoy could easily pump out massive damage numbers because yoy can't get 2 other tanks to come with you

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I think lemming training should be very frowned upon. But I agree with you overall. If your team rotates all left side, dont be a hero.... go left with them, sad reality of the game currently rn, but unless you platoon up, this is the solution

bitter citrus
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thats what i do when there is no support on a flank, just go with the team

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youre putting yourself an an unnecessary detriment because you wanna make a post about how the players dont know "strategy and positioning"

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just go with them, cover them in the field

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lemming train is very not nice but its what happens in the game so you have to use it to your advantage

tardy tangle
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Also i didn't actually look at the positioning of the waffle in the post.... why on earth is he at j-0 on this map in a waffle

bitter citrus
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not everyone wants to learn more in depth mechanics about the game because for them, the game is something to enjoy

gilded mural
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Not only is the majority of players absolutely brain dead but the main problem is the matchmaker, most games are 0-10 games it just depends if you get the winning team or not. Ofc the issue also is that this game is lacking a good tutorial that would teach newbies about the basics, but before anything else, the first main issue is the terrible matchmaking

bitter citrus
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once youre spotted youre pretty much gone

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not much flexibility

tardy tangle
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Should be in g 5 or j 3 personally

bitter citrus
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i would if i was in a sniping td, but not everyones the same

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the 0 line works if theres plenty of support and enemies to shoot at

tardy tangle
bitter citrus
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but if thats not the case then its a waiting game and by the time you can spot something yourself, you can be seen by the tanks that are now too close for you to run away from

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the waffle isnt exactly the most mobile tank either

tardy tangle
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Which says enough

bitter citrus
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no prem ammo too

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which some could argue is a skill issue but well, generally the better players carry prem ammo so they can pen and do more damage

tardy tangle
tardy tangle
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But if your using the 15cm over the upgraded 12.8cm then we'll.... your there for the vibes

gilded mural
# tardy tangle The amount of people I hear talk about win rate is so stupid, when this is exact...

Yeah, thanks for being a smart guy, now we can have an actual conversation. Most people would just deny this...

It has been a problem since a year ago+ where they implemented a mm change that they didn't really say what change it was but since then, all games practically became 0-10. These last 2 or so weeks were especially terrible, I was losing 95% of the games (all around 0-10) doesn't matter if you do 8k damage or more, your team has 8 ppl that do 0.

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Since this season I created a clan and the horrible games for these past 2 weeks brought the clan win rate by almost 3%....

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From 61+ to 58

tardy tangle
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Its been the same way for me tjr last couple of days too, consistently in top 3 finishes, with most damage and yet its 0 - 10 because most my team has 0 damage and drove into a field.... and then some guy has the nerve to say this game is all about Winrate 😭😭

gilded mural
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The win rate is just fake rn, it's mostly luck

tardy tangle
gilded mural
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Exactly

tardy tangle
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Easily makes yoy win majority of games with 3 good players in a platoon

gilded mural
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And even then it can be difficult

tardy tangle
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True, but when you have the right stack, yoy can 3 v 6 at times

gilded mural
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I have only 4 members including myself and all players that tried to join my clan were 40 percenters that only serve themselves as free damage to the enemy, crazy

tardy tangle
gilded mural
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The real stuff that matter is damage dealt vs received and kills vs being killed

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That says it all

tardy tangle
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And even then you can lose to a 2 v 12 sutuation

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Which is crazy

gilded mural
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And even despite w8 is not real it usually gets reflected still pretty accurately if someone is just bad

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Okay random thought

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You just made me remember these players that play heavy tanks and camp at base no matter the gamemode and shoot HE at other heavy tanks that face them frontally

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That gets my blood boiling holy 💩

tardy tangle
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Like what.....

tardy tangle
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I actually had a chat with someone who was like this. He said "I can always deal damage to them with HE, so why use any other round when I can gurantee damage every time "

gilded mural
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I don't understand how these ppl get to tier 10/era 3 when they play like that smh

gilded mural
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Omg 🤮

tardy tangle
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Because they enjoy the game i suppose. The guy I talked to in all fairness loved the game. And was very positive

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Which to be honest... if he's happy, that's more than I can say 9/10 times for this game

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🤣😭😭😭

gilded mural
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Yeah I confronted one of the most stupid players I have ever seen and he's like: I don't play to win, I play for fun!

I guess it's fun for these monkeys to lose practically every single battle and do 0 in winning battles...

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And ruin everyone's day

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That applies to wg too

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We have released yet another premium tank! Let's play on steam, penetrate 2 shots and then die! Yay! Are you having fun?

tardy tangle
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I meannnnn

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If its a tier 10 😏

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Free xp for me right???

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It was hilarious seeing these fv225 running around

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Not having a clue what to do 😅🤣🤣

gilded mural
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I will always remember that moment when I just wanted to see if there is a giveaway and that ''kB'' was playing a fully upgraded Churchill 1 and struggled to pen another Churchill 1 being played by a BOT. Full premium and no damage...

tardy tangle
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Oh really?

gilded mural
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Yeah and they think it's funny actually

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You know.. Those bots that miss from 30 meters and show you their backside for no reason so you have an easy kill? Yeah

tardy tangle
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I will never disrespect a player on there skill, there will always be levels to this game. I mean im a sweaty guy when it comes to this game. But sometimes im sitting here and not even enjoying the game im playing. I bet they atleast enjoy there time. Im so deep into this game with my wallet I dont think I could ever leave this game 😅🤣

gilded mural
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Main problem is supporting this game, these devs don't deserve anything rn, game is in an actual unplayable state at the moment

tardy tangle
gilded mural
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But the 40% buy everything

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Even the sweats actually

tardy tangle
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Wargaming for you

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With these stupid loot boxes

gilded mural
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Omg whyyyy

tardy tangle
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I wanted the new tier 10.... with the Nigel skin...

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Im a tier 10 collector

gilded mural
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That skin is ugly af what do you mean

tardy tangle
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But i had to stop at 500 it was grtting ridiculous

gilded mural
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It's like if it was from fortnite or some 💩

tardy tangle
gilded mural
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The drop was 1% why even try

tardy tangle
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But i had to hit the brakes

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I had none of the tanks in the chests and have awful chest gambling addiction 😅 got everything byt the kamfpanzer 07

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Crazy right?

tardy tangle
gilded mural
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Don't ever support an event like that ever again

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Anyway I'm pretty sure with the returns of tier 1 and 2 next season, they didn't change anything about the tanks so it will be just as unbalanced bs like other tiers

worthy magnet
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Author is still complaining in his busted TDs 🥀

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His team went field but he didn't in a sniper TD Prayge

tardy tangle
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I saw the 15cm and just left it at that 👏

bitter citrus
trail vector
high forge
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You guys tend to forget theres no way to really know unless you know.

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The game could use some kinda of tips showing good places to be for diffrent tanks on diffrent maps. They could add it to the loading screen.

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However they would need to pick good players to properly do that.

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people can just ask good players or go watch good players live

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and the positions good players take aren’t always just drive and sit here places people need to learn

kindred onyx
wind jewel
gilded mural
high forge
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massive carry there

crisp shell
high forge
crisp shell
hard brook
high forge
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You guys are missing the point your not the problem

hard brook
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?? Good player also was trash before

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My PC Account from 2011 has 45% winratr

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Everyone start as a bad player

high forge
hard brook
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Yes, but it also depends on how much the player is interested in getting better

high forge
hard brook
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Most of the players are casual and play it for fun, and dont with the passion to get better

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But this is a "problem" of every game

high forge
hard brook
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What exactly?

high forge
# hard brook What exactly?

To get better you do your own research, however most players wont do this. That is why my idea is for having a passive way for those players to see the good spots.

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Correct positioning. There used to be a form of this in the loading screens in the past.

hard brook
high forge
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Your going in circles.

hard brook
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Yes, but where is the problem about this

hard brook
high forge
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Theres no point in suggesting something that already exists and doesn't get used. I made a new idea to help the problem.

high forge
hard brook
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What especially is ur idea?

high forge
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Did you read it the two times I said it before just acting like you know more.

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My idea was to show key positions for tank classes and mabey actual pictures of tanks in the game in good positions. Then put them in the loading screen.

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They had something similar in the past too.

hard brook
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But this can also be wrong, because not every game u can play the same possitions/line, it also depens of what enemy tanks u have

high forge
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Never said it should cover everything just boost adverage play.

hard brook
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World of tanks is to tactical to make it short

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I mean, i know what u mean but this is to complicated

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And we still have Tipps for players ingame

high forge
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Atleast im adding an actual idea. The problem exists and my idea can only help.

hard brook
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And you cant especially do against it, because the balancing and newbie friendly Updates from wg work against it

high forge
hard brook
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I have problems with the game, but i also have ideas to work with it

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I dont like the high alpha/he/td meta right now

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And that Moe are not worth to grind, thats why i am not playing the game like 3 years ago

high forge
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Cw has the same problem with lights and atgm.

hard brook
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Yep

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Its easy for New players with high alpha

high forge
trail vector
outer obsidian
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Everyone has a learning curve. Not every new player coming into the game is going to research everything to be a metasuperunicum on their first game. Plus, probably the age of the new players is a factor as well since this game is available to anyone that can hold a controller - not just operate it. So expecting anyone to "git gud" after one trash game... is kinda being a haughty Karen. Don't misquote me - I'm not saying anyone is, just that it gives off those vibes. Look at Reddit and all the salt there from experienced players. We don't start any game being a master - we work up to it in our time.

hard brook
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Or do you think, this player has a Curve?

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high forge
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You have no idea the age or the IQ of that player.

hard brook
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Yes

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And this is not a disappointment to this player

high forge
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Everyone can play this game. You cant control who plays thats just life.

crisp shell
high forge
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course it is

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it’s rarely the good players harassing the team

bitter citrus
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i wanna see it

outer obsidian
high forge
high forge
bitter citrus
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ill search it

high forge
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Lots of assumptions from someone you guys dont know. This is why I use arogant so much.

bitter citrus
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nothing was found

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thats a lie

high forge
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Could be a child or an old person.

high forge
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.abey someone who doesn't game alot

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it was me barry

bitter citrus
high forge
bitter citrus
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it is right

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because im sure

hard brook
bitter citrus
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i will find them

hard brook
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Good luck

bitter citrus
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i mean what am i gonna do if i find them

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send their stats here agian?

high forge
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maybe

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if ur feeling rambunctious

bitter citrus
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there'd be no point

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im not one to stat shame someone publicly

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thats rude

high forge
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play God

bitter citrus
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i wouldnt like it if my stats were shown publicly

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i'd be rattling in my boots

high forge
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i had to lock in

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my 30 day stats aren’t representative

bitter citrus
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my winrate has dropped but thats mostly it for mine

high forge
bitter citrus
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tragic

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anyway lets not continue derailing the thread, theres alotta serious scary people in this community

wind jewel
shy anvil
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Hasn't wargaming players always been overall crap?
Like from pc to phone to console from the day each title came out?

Like for pc as an example, watching Jingles replays from 1-10+ years old and you see similar low iq plays from the teams on both sides, though most likely less low iq plays when compared to a decade+ ago because everyone back then where completely new, but my point is,
bad players will continue to exist on most if not all multiplayer games, the best thing to do is to use them as meat shields if possible lol.