Tanks that need nerfing

[midnight aspen]

Agreed that the average player will find them op

And they are to an extend

But it would be hard to nerf them

Without ruining them

[gusty wadi]

Yup my point this whole post is to stop calling for nerfs and increase skill. Only nerf if it significantly impacts the game.

[brazen hinge]

The molot isn't fine but the 490 is

[gusty wadi]

That or buff the poor old tanks that suffer with the new premiums.

[midnight aspen]

Couldn't of said it any better

[midnight aspen]

Weird take

Care to explain

There both good in there own way

[midnight aspen]

E 50 m 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[brazen hinge]

The molot has a secondary gun that will pen most things while on a reload for the standard gun that will pen anything with high dpm on both

U can't pen the front or hard the sides because that's a troll

The 490 isn't bad but it has only one gun with lower dpm and a lot of weakness and it's sluggish to so I see that one fine

[brazen hinge]

The e50m is balanced not the mm

[midnight aspen]

Definitely needs to be buffed to be in plave with today's standard

The pc version has 250 on the turret

Instead of 230

[gusty wadi]

Thats incorrect I already said I can front pen. It with atgm. Also when has the secondary gun ever penn everything. Most the time bad players just spam that for 0 dmg.

[midnight aspen]

And why does the leopard have a faster reload for more alpha

[midnight aspen]

I load full premium and it can get sides quite easily in fairness

[gusty wadi]

I never use premium machine gun ammo so I guess thats why.

Waste of silver to me.

[midnight aspen]

Can't disagree with yoy

But it's unusable otherwise

I mean 190 pen is quite 💪

[gusty wadi]

Hmmm interesting learned a thing today. What all can it penn. Like front lower plates on heavies or just sides better.

[brazen hinge]

Atgms have like 800 pen or a lot higher so that's really not helping the case on normal tanks

[coral lance]

I/SU-152 and soviet 122mm

[midnight aspen]

Chieftan and challenger lower plates 🤣

And the side of any tank in cold war

[gusty wadi]

Normal tanks use HE and they melt. With skill you can do it with no dmg. Just yesterday I killed a full health one with just HE. Was annoying but possible.

[gusty wadi]

Those poor british tanks. Thats why I haven't bothered finishing them yet.

[worthy bridge]

There were a number of guns developed during WWII that would trivialise a Maus.

The 32 Pounder, for example, could punch through the upper plate with APDS. And the British loved their APDS rounds

[midnight aspen]

🤣

[cobalt wren]

The challenger 2 is good

[midnight aspen]

Its turret is

That hull though

[gusty wadi]

I wish I could play old ww2 again. When this game is replaces I hope someone brings it back.

[midnight aspen]

Hear me out.... a game mode were yoy can only fire standard

💓💓💓💓💓

[gusty wadi]

Thats why I have the start but that MK5 is sooooo slow.

[gusty wadi]

Ive herd that a few times. I support it fully.

[midnight aspen]

Same here

[cobalt wren]

The chieftain mark 11s speed is worse in era 3 compared to everything else

[gusty wadi]

Mk 11 TY. My memory is awful at times. Yeah that speed is annoying to deal with. Atleast the gun is good.

[cobalt wren]

The reload is quite good but the pen isn’t very good

[gusty wadi]

Hmmm Ill have to play it again. I felt like it was good penn. I didnt struggle much.

The armor is also paper for how slow it is.

[midnight aspen]

That poor mk 11 should not be a era 3, gets turret punched, and has the worst hull I've ver encountered

Walking ammo rack

[cobalt wren]

568mm with premium compared to 710 with premium on the leopard 2

[gusty wadi]

Yes TY it belongs in era 2

With some adjustments.

[midnight aspen]

Agreed

[cobalt wren]

I agree it should have been top of era 2

[midnight aspen]

Then just straight into the challengers at era 3

[gusty wadi]

Theres an upgraded challenger 2 too isnt there?

[midnight aspen]

There's a few

One for atgms

[cobalt wren]

And they could have put the prototype challenger 1 as the bottom era 3 tank

[midnight aspen]

One for apfsds rounds

[gusty wadi]

Yeah. You can tell they didnt expect much success.

The old tank lines all have funk.

[midnight aspen]

Challenger 3 soon 🙏🙏🙏

We can beg

[cobalt wren]

They won’t bring challenger 3 in

[gusty wadi]

Its too new yeah?

[cobalt wren]

Yes

[midnight aspen]

The challenger as a whole is great in cw but it's only upsides are its alpha/dpm and that absolute godly turret

[midnight aspen]

Unfortunately

[gusty wadi]

They need to make Era 4 already.

[midnight aspen]

Would it not just be the same as era 3 though.... no armour and everything gets penned

[gusty wadi]

Hmmm well that depends. Did the leapords only get destroyed by drones un the recent war?

[midnight aspen]

The moment they brought 900 pen monsters into the game

It ruined era 3

The thumper started it all

[gusty wadi]

Yeah, not a fan of current game devs. Feels like my fav game is held captive.

[midnight aspen]

🤣

[gusty wadi]

Devs or the company I dont know who is to blame.

[midnight aspen]

Both

[gusty wadi]

Probably

[midnight aspen]

The community can be.... very blinded at times

But the devs brought the avre out

And the taran

And technodrome

So

[gusty wadi]

Oh my gosh players are half the problem these days for any game.

[midnight aspen]

Whole different topic for a whole other day

🤣

[gusty wadi]

Yup lol

[cobalt wren]

I think the newest they will bring in is pre 2000

[gusty wadi]

It depends thier new game its all about modern armor so mabey thats what they are waiting for.

[cobalt wren]

You mean project Cold War ?

[gusty wadi]

Yeah

Is it out already?

No Its still in alpha.

[brazen hinge]

It's not a good trade for 300 damage against 700-800 with a auto cannon that pens to

U will lose either way

[cobalt wren]

Who knows we might get era 4 at some point

[gusty wadi]

Then why did I kill one at full HP and took no dmg?

[brazen hinge]

I wish

[gusty wadi]

I can hope. Nobody said CW was coming either.

[brazen hinge]

Because the guy has the IQ less of a rock or it could have been a bot

[gusty wadi]

Wasn't a bot, I used the TK-X seige mode and out played him I also have HE on every Era 3 tank I own and I have never hated seeing 477 or 490. I get excited actually. Usally easy dmg.

Why is it always insult the players and not skill can overcome?

[brazen hinge]

490 is fine

477 is not

They must have been playing it completely wrong to get bullied by a tk-x

[gusty wadi]

Yup insult the player. Why is that the go too. They killed all of my teamates.

They just couldn't deal with me too.

[brazen hinge]

The game isn't hard to understand keep in mind

[gusty wadi]

Thats arogant and Im sure you die in the 477s just as much as the rest. If it was that strong it would always top. It doesn't. Adv preformance always shows real info.

[brazen hinge]

The 477 died if it get overwhelmed by to many tanks pushing it or to many he but against he u gain a lot more dpm

The performance is based on the the whole community which is a problem honestly due to the fact 98% player based is really bad and doesn't understand how the game works

[gusty wadi]

Well this is the point I stop. You can keep saying things like this to anything else said.

He is part of the game btw. For a reason.

[cobalt wren]

98% of the player base are not bad at the game

[gusty wadi]

Agreed.

[brazen hinge]

More like 95 tbh but close to it honestly

[gusty wadi]

Ill never respect that talk.

Most top players use top premium tanks. They use everything including mo ey to have as much advantage as they can.

[brazen hinge]

Prove me wrong then

[gusty wadi]

How? I domt own the game.

Wot stars isnt maintained anymore.

CW is badly designed not hard to understand.

Ww2 mabey Ill give you.

[brazen hinge]

U definitely don't need premium tanks to be on top 😂

[gusty wadi]

That its hard to understand but easy compared to day 1

[gusty wadi]

Correct, many top players still do.

[coral lance]

Wotstars is being maintained

[gusty wadi]

I was told diffrent. Hmmm Idk how to verify.

[coral lance]

Its the MoE site that isnt

[gusty wadi]

Its not been updated with new tanks thats for sure.

[gusty wadi]

It tracks more then that but yeah.

[brazen hinge]

It is actually

It just takes a minute to update

[gusty wadi]

Again IDK im hearing multiple things.

[coral lance]

From who?

[gusty wadi]

Thats a good question it was yesterday I think.

[coral lance]

I've never seen anyone say that wotstars isn't being maintained.

[brazen hinge]

Each time a new tank comes out it takes at least a week or two because it has to round up the community and other profiles and that takes a bit of time

[gusty wadi]

Im sure. Like I said I cant remember what post I was in.

[gusty wadi]

Alright cool, Ill be looking.

That can be easily used however to do proper math Ill need to only allow people who have obtained an Era 3 tank with atleast 100 or mabey 500 battles.

Players that play and leave should not count.

Ww2 would also be a problem so might have to include both. So that will vary the math alot. Wont be 100% accurate. Each mode plays very differently. My adv is bad because of bad ww2 games while I was learning and a kid.

[flat geyser]

Era4 needs to happen would round out cw perfectly 👌

Also the game as well

Ww1-21st century armor

[gusty wadi]

Era 4 could just be single tanks too.

[brazen hinge]

It won't be 100% accurate and wg said it wasn't to because there isn't a way to fully add everything up but it's pretty much the closest thing we have and does a solid job honestly for how it is

[gusty wadi]

The whole point is your generalizing alot. That never works in a discussion and the math is almost impossible to actually prove.

You the stament maker should have the burden of proof anyways.

[brazen hinge]

Doesn't mean it's wrong tho especially when the numbers do add up to it

[gusty wadi]

Prove it show actual nummbers and how and why you did the calculations.

No biased allowed.

Which is why I said there has to be a requirement of who you add in the equation.

Also whats your standard of Bad. I would say under 1,000 on adv.

For CW anyways

[brazen hinge]

Do me a favor and play a couple of matches and I want to u to keep track on damage and all 30 players and below average, average and higher on damage and then go on wot stars and look at there profile then do the math 😉

[gusty wadi]

Again you have the burden of proof. You are also ignoring high and low play times, servers, age demographics is the impossible part.

Yes do I have more bad games then good lately. However Im not going make assumptions on that scale.

Honestly the 1 sided matches are really annoying.

Its why I rarely play without a platoon and sometimes that still doesn't help.

[brazen hinge]

Everyone is going to have a bad match and it happens but it becomes a problem if it's more often than normal

[gusty wadi]

I agree with you but I know its war gammings MM thats to blame the most and how they built CW and the maps and modes. World of warships has admited to MM being rigged.

A death match will be very different then a capture map. Each capture map is different and has diffrent results.

Each map and how often they are played has a factor.

[brazen hinge]

World of warships has its own problems honestly personally I think it's boring but that's me but the mm is another reason why I haven't been playing much lately

[gusty wadi]

That is something I can understand just dont arrogantly say 95% of players are bad. Its mostly the games fault.

Alot of the good players are leaving too or giving up.

Thats almost the biggest issue.

[brazen hinge]

Even in bad mm u can still pull good games

[gusty wadi]

I do all the time.

My TK-X has become my fav. Even out nummbered I can get 2k more dmg

The new Emil in CW I also like alot even though its not the best stat wise Im getting 7k on adverage thats crazy for a meh stated tank.

3k on the lower.

[rough bison]

Tried some live PVP matches in Era Two after avoiding it for awhile. Good news! The ELC atgm mini tank is still there lurking and killing you while unspotted. Good news about that is its helping me control spending habits. My money is safe! Until that stupid thing is fixed and balanced im staying F2P .

Back to WW2 and grind another line

[gusty wadi]

Era 2 is the most abuses by war gamming greed.

I actually started play ww2 again. Getting that big auto loader TD.

[rough bison]

I just finished the WW2 FV4005. Super Conq next

CW was so fun…. Once upon a time

But now its so broken

[gusty wadi]

Im on the tier 8 of that however silver has been drained because the jap line so ww2 neess to wait.

[rough bison]

CW coop for silver.

[gusty wadi]

I still find TV is just what I like. I hate the ww2 spotring system alot.

[gusty wadi]

Yeah, found that out. Its actually super easy to grind silver.

[rough bison]

Indeed, but with a decent light tank ..(dont laugh, they do exist). You can keep the reds spotted

[gusty wadi]

I keep trying to be a good light. Ive watched alot of videos. However Im still learning. I just dont play enough. My friends only like CW.

[rough bison]

The Arctic Hiss in COOP is a silver ATM. By the way

[gusty wadi]

Wish I could have the Hiss. I didnt start playing again until the season right before and didnt have the money I do now.

They wont resell them or cant

Hope they unskin them atleast one day.

[rough bison]

NM116 also prints silver

[gusty wadi]

Do have that. I like the MBT 70. Bot abuser that tank is.

[cobalt wren]

Can you stick to the topic of the thread

[gusty wadi]

Yup sorry

[rough bison]

It is.. to the point of the OP. Certain tanks. Need fixed. I used to buyvat least 2 sometimes 3 rounds of 20-30 loot boxes each season… but thats stopped until they fix these idiotic broken tanks. And by the way I gave back the T249 to put my money where my mouth is

ELC was given away… its ability to hit you while moving is broken. It needs camo nerf, and a huge dispersion or accuracy on the move change

[coral lance]

Dispersion and accuracy stats are useless on ATGMs

[rough bison]

Maybe… the idea it can hold a laser on you while be-bopping over bumpy terrain is what they could fix

Or nerf the damage. Getting one shot from full health everytime is frustrating. Then add insult to injury. My shot on it bounces…. Often….

That thing should take damage from any thing that hits it

[prisma olive]

How are we killing the 490b in 1 or 2 shots consistently with HE?

[gusty wadi]

No I ment it shooting me only 1 or two times.

[prisma olive]

I see

[reef heath]

Shooting a 490b with 2 he shots seem like magic.
However l have witness a wiesel take out a 477 full health with one atgm frontal shot. I have also witness a couple of times a jaguar1 and a wiesel one shot a 490b, something l cant imagine any other conventional tank. But as l have been reading in this tread rockets are underperforming, to low pen and a horrible dpm. Yet l constantly se jag1's, especially nowadays, doing damage score you would be a insane good player to do in a conventional tank. But hey, they are apparently underperforming.

[charred perch]

That’s a few players out of the whole playerbase of the tank it’s like the Molot Wiesel you’ll see players doing brilliant in them and also the 490b but not every player does them numbers so the odd players doing higher numbers ends up being irrelevant to the way wargaming does there tank balancing

[gusty wadi]

Where did you see anyone say that. The OP has made plenty of issues with them. Also module dmg reduction has been brought up alot. Also because you cant read I didnt say I 2 shot a 490 with HE. I in a TK-X I only got shot once or twice. WHEN I was KILLING the 490 with HE.

[reef heath]

This one

[gusty wadi]

Read that slowly.

You see the against me part @reef heath

[gusty wadi]

This is my clarification I made later.

Reading is important

[reef heath]

Bad writing then, caus the whole text say you kill them with he in 1 ore 2 shots

[reef heath]

Writing too

[gusty wadi]

No you just didn't read properly and blame me lol

[reef heath]

No

[gusty wadi]

Yup

[reef heath]

Even google translate telling me in my language that you claim to do a 1 ore 2 shot kill on them

[gusty wadi]

Ha using google translate to comfirm proper language.

[reef heath]

Obnoxious is your thing hey?

[worthy bridge]

No, it states that they are able to kill them, but constantly take one or two shots from the 490B.

Similar wording, very different meaning.

[reef heath]

No

[gusty wadi]

No, however I am straight forward.

People don't like that

Grammer sites would be better to reference.

My grammer does need work.

[reef heath]

Yes

[worthy bridge]

On the note of the Jaguar, it's a high skill ceiling tank.

As I understand it, it has the single highest damage potential of any Era 3 vehicle, aside from the Bradley, and a good player with ATGMs can get close to that figure when the stars align. A more modest 11k game is, as such, not too difficult to attain.

Most Jaguar players don't see those 11k games though. Many struggle to get past 3k, namely due to how ATGMs work and the user's unfamiliarity with them.

[gusty wadi]

I have no issue admitting I can still grow and learn.

[reef heath]

Hvorfor 490. Jeg dreper dem med kanskje 1 eller 2 skudd mot meg konstant. Bare bruk HE og ikke sitt på ett sted.
This is your text in my language, and my interpretation of it is correct.

[reef heath]

Funny how all those mega players with 10k to 16k damage always seems to be playing with me🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

[gusty wadi]

Exactly translators are still bad and you sir are acting Obnoxious to me. Even had someone defend what I said. However your the only correct one?

@reef heath

If I need to reword as simple as possible. I use He. I only got hit by the 477 twice (2 shots). The 477 lost.

[worthy bridge]

Do you play during Bot heavy times?

A 10k match in Era 3 I don't see all that often in anything, usually every third or fourth game? I simply don't see enough Jaguars to see any of them get 11k.

[gusty wadi]

Usually the 11k games happen because of rng ammo racks too. Jaguars stuggle with wolf pack matches that are very common these days.

[worthy bridge]

Without sounding completely pretentious, I am usually decent enough to prevent most players from getting high damaging games. So there's probably this element at play too. My play experience might be very different from Toby and Tom

[gusty wadi]

I believe that. My clanmate has gold on almost every tank and he can single handedly effect a match.

I want that skill one day lol

[worthy bridge]

That being said, I actually had Toby's matchmaking for once yesterday.
I took this screenshot because I was baffled by it.

[gusty wadi]

Toby is a RiKi clan member thats cool. What sever do you play. Not sure Ive noticed a Joco.

I like watching high skill players and see how they play. Even in replays.

[worthy bridge]

That isn't the Toby we are talking with. I don't know what clan Toby is in, if he is at all. I usually don't take notice of that sort of thing.

I play on EU. Other members of my clan do play on US

[gusty wadi]

Ah well explains that I play on NA. Well if I see your clan mates Ill be sure to send GGs.

[worthy bridge]

Just shoot them

[gusty wadi]

Cold I like that lol. Will do.

[cobalt wren]

Toby isn’t in the Riki clan

[viscid oasis]

Jag is good to play but you need to stand off for high scoring games. Love the Weasel TOW for close in fun. Both good for collecting silver . Good thing about ATGM is you do not need to splash out on Gold rounds.👍 👍

[gusty wadi]

Yup TY.

[cobalt wren]

Wow really

[coral lance]

Hell, the other day when Headless and I were playing, we ran into a Jaguar platoon and every time there was more time and they lost every time with under 4k direct.

[reef heath]

Sometimes there are bots, but yesterday it was a 16k damage game on el almine without any. Just hide away in the back farming from the work of heavys.

[reef heath]

That's not me.

[gusty wadi]

He said that.

[worthy bridge]

I said that's the matchmaking you frequently get, not that it is you

[worthy bridge]

El Amin is basically a perfect map for a Jaguar or any CQC-allergic ATGM armed tank.

As long as you're ignored and have sightlines, you have an excellent farming ground.

The Jaguars in my games rarely exceed 4k, never mind 8k.

I have seen 11k, but exceptions happen. I believe that it's possible with any Era 3, except the Stingray II

[reef heath]

Sorry about that, however l think me ore tom has seen you in a game once ore twice

[reef heath]

In my games its quite frequent above 10k.

[worthy bridge]

We very well may have. And I would fully expect to shoot you given half a chance.
No hard feelings, I just like shooting tanks

[reef heath]

Its shoot to kill yeah

[cobalt wren]

I saw you on Siegfried line back along you were on the enemy team in the k tank I think

[worthy bridge]

As stated, that has very much not been my experience.

Mind screenshotting when you get the chance? Keep track of the sub-4ks too

[worthy bridge]

That is a tank I do play from time to time, yes.

I actually rarely fire missiles from it, if you can believe it.

[reef heath]

Never use atgm options barrel on my tank, if there is a choice. HE is more useful now days when you cant go invisible. Long reload to on MBTs

[worthy bridge]

The two US mediums are significantly better off with ATGMs, as their base reload is lengthy.
The K-Tank lacks a HE round as well

[brazen hinge]

Due keep in mind the modular damage on them are really high

[reef heath]

On atgm's?

[charred perch]

Joco please just close this thread it’s just arguing

[coral lance]

Nah. Need 1300 messages.

[worthy bridge]

It's actually being decently cordial at this time.

[brazen hinge]

Most of them yes but not all

[worthy bridge]

Seems like misunderstandings and translation errors were part of the reason. Rewordings and calmly explaining have solved this

[reef heath]

All is fine

[old hill]

My highest is 21k match on Siegfried with jaguar.....my clan mate has 25k with the ee medium premium vehicle in era 3Just saying, when it comes to skill and even with that involved depends on the map, I think overall tech tree vehicles should be buffed first then think about nerfs because missiles got nerfed already, and you have others complaining era 2-3 is moving too fast and the devs are looking into slowing it down which is gonna further neuter said missile tanks to the point of being useless because people can't take cover nor dodge missiles incoming at them, the eastern alliance tanks are very awful the bu was ok but made redundant especially considering they light up faster than newspaper, the Chinese portion of tanks I didn't research because any tank I play cuts through the armor, the merkava 3 isn't holding up ther megach 7cs pen is so low it can't pen leopard 2a5s unless your shooting the r2d2 node up top, it even struggles against the eept1 tank, which pretty much all you really see besides the 490s and the answer to those...missiles and he's. You neuter missiles well every match against those are going to be a slog I'm not saying 77as because I have an easier time against those in a regular m1a2 or chally 2.

[quasi briar]

and my grammar needs work too 😀

[reef heath]

Im Norwegian so my English is suppose to be full of flaws 😎