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sharp marsh
AMX M4
made shortly after ww2 and took lots of stuff from german ww2 tank design
would be a basis for the later amx 50 tanks
ok i go go back to sleep im tired see yall in like 3 days or some
hardy bolt
The vpx 5000 looks rather small
spring brook
The vpx 5000 looks rather small
It's a derivative of the later VP-90 design, and it is a rather small vehicle
hardy bolt
It looks to me like it’s a similar size to the wiesel
spring brook
As I understand it, it is about that size.
There's no images of the two side by side though, as it is a much older design
hardy bolt
As I understand it, it is about that size.
There's no images of the two side by ...
I think it’s generally well known that tanks this size overall are bad for the health of the game
sharp marsh
Is that the 90mm prototype?
Most likely
sharp marsh
I think it’s generally well known that tanks this size overall are bad for the h...
So?
Tankettes are here to stay
hardy bolt
With them being tech tree tanks there would be even more of them than there is wiesels they could flood the match maker even more
sharp marsh
whatever would the matchmaker do with the literal hundreds of other non tankette tanks
spring brook
With them being tech tree tanks there would be even more of them than there is w...
In my opinion, every single archetype limited to premiums should have a TT equivalent.
I don't think these tanks are as fast or agile as a Wiesel
hardy bolt
Maybe not but they will still have a stupidly good camo rating
pure tinsel
We do not need more elcs. Theres already so many atgm tanks with no counters really.
hardy bolt
What does the amx 40 ASR look like ?
spring brook
Maybe not but they will still have a stupidly good camo rating
Camo can be made worse, as it has been a mild concern with the Wiesel
sharp marsh
Avant série
pure tinsel
Ah that helped lol
hardy bolt
What is the AS V2 ?
sharp marsh
Externally very similar to the amx 40 we have in game
pure tinsel
I feel like era 3 needs more auto loaders they are fun.
spring brook
I feel like era 3 needs more auto loaders they are fun.
Most Era 3s have Autoloaders
pure tinsel
I mean the multiple rounds like char 25
pure tinsel
Ah, shame.
sharp marsh
Basically
An amx 40 you can't modify that has different reloading times, accuracy values similar to the leclerc, still has it's auto cannon and some silver boosts to go along with it
OH and slightly different module placements
Basically a tweaked amx 40
I'm currently working on my swedish proposal
In the future I actually extended the year cap to 2005 to make room for a few other tanks that are third gen
1945-2005 so 60 years worth of tanks for cold war
sharp marsh
In the future I actually extended the year cap to 2005 to make room for a few ot...
I mention this cause you guys are gonna see some of them in my proposals
For clarification
pure tinsel
I cant wait to see. It would be a much better game if they listened.
sharp marsh
OK GUYS
:)
LE AS12
from my understanding, the TC and AS project was an evalutation for different tank designs and proposals for new technolgoes to either supliment or replace the AMX-30 tanks
despite that however, the AS and TC project and a few of its iterations would actually kickstart the development of the Lecerc after evertyhing would be figured out with what the French wanted with the Lecerc
The AS12 is the one with the manless turret, whereas the TC1 is the one next to the AMX-30 with the turret
simialr armor and hull consturctions between the two, but because the AS12 (and further AS tanks) have a manless turret, they are much lighter and are thus medium tanks
TC tanks are heavy in that regard
oh yeah if you guys see lots of typos thats my bad I type way too fast for my own good
they were also proposed with the 105 and 120 style of guns
so 105 for era 2 and 120 for era 3
The AMX 50/AS line are focused around being oscilating/manless turrets
AS31 and AS12
the one without a name is supposedly called the AS56, but aside from heresay there is no confirmation on it so that tank is left out
the AS12, AS22, and AS40
this is the whole chart of designs and what led to which
speaking of which
leads me to the last tank of the line
AS V2
oh wait
44.4 tons
OK fixed it
so yeah a full french medium line
would love to see these in the field
amx 50 100 and amx 50b are already in ww2 so they would jsut need to be ported over
heres all the models lines up
sharp marsh
In my opinion, every single archetype limited to premiums should have a TT equiv...
faster. but not as agile
thats gonna be their thing
sharp marsh
bat chats 155 55 and 58 are already in game
AuF1
(and further variants with upgrades)
essentially an amx-30 with a 155 howitzer thats fires HE and HE-VT round
later on they would also be given rocket assisted rounds
the point of these tanks is that they are HE slinging TDs that have the ability to arc-fire slower shells with WW2 arty aim, but also standard aim with rocket assisted HE rounds
there is a cap to how many rounds you can carry for both regular HE and rocket assisted HE
you cant load full one or the other
think like the atgm amount cap on atgm tanks, that sort of deal
essentially mobile artillery-ish tanks
the variants/upgrades
ELC TC 901
first tank made for the ELC project
ELC TC 904
further upgraded/experimented on the TC 901 but with more going on with the turret/gun
most of that would be carried over to the ELC bis
and ELC bis and EVEN 90 we already have in game they just need to be ported over
VP90M
Lohr made these funky tankettes that would eventually attract no buyers
starting with the VP90M
little tankette with a milan launcher
very fast forward speed and hp/t, but sluggish reverse and traverse speeds
thats their up/down for movement
however they also have a siege mode to add more depression
VPX110
same concept as the VP90M but with upgraded internals and different external layout
VPX110M
VPX110 but uparmored to have a full body that encases the crew
different/same internals as the VPX110
VPX 5000 Milan
later on Lohr would make the VPX 5000 chassis where they would test different armamanet configirations
two had Milans, one with two milan launchers and one with a singular millan launcher but also a small caliber machine gun
one propossed is the dual milan version
oh yeah i forgot to say the VPX 110 has the option to mount either 1 or 2 atgm launchers
lastly
VPX 5000 HOT
essentially the pinnacle of the ELC/VP line
4 HOT launchers
an extremely deadly tank in the right hands
however, it will have a lengthy full reload to relaod all 4 of the HOT launchers
think the arctic HISS atgm reload
sharp marsh
I'll show more of the French stuff later today
sharp marsh
EBR '51
essentially the ebr 90 we have in game but with a 75mm gun
funky thang
EBR '54
yeah an oscliating turret on an ebr chassis with an upgraded 75mm gun
AML 60
smaller armored car with a 60mm HE launcher
think its playstyle like a faster but less accurate fv101
AML 90
y'guessed it, an upgunned version of the AML 60 with some different/upgraded internals to it
ERC Sagaie
courtesy of armyrecognition
upwheeled successor to the AML tanks
upgraded 90mm gun over the AML 90 with a wholes lew of other internal differences and upgrades
VBC 90
carrying a high velocity 90mm gun
the frontal armor on this tank coupled with its overall wegiht makes its stock hp/t quite low compared to other tanks within the era
but that doesnt stop it from being effective, as the gun is fully stabilised and its armor certainly holds up
amx-10 RC
armed with a 105mm F2 cannon, this thing can pack quite a wallop
oh yeah i forgot to say
VBC 90 onwards the tanks have a hydropnuematic system, and i think the Sagaie has one as well
different profiles of the 10 RC
amx - 10 RC TML
essentially an amx-10 RC but with an upgraded TML (early) turret with better internal systems\
can fire even better 105mm OFL F2 rounds which have a depleted uranium core for better penetration
10 RC can only fire 105 G2 and F1 HE
whereas the 10 RC TML can fire 105 G2, 105 F2, and F1 HE
Lastly
the Vextra 105
pinnacle of the line, and is classified as a medium due to the tank weighing more than 25 tons
revealed in 1997
unfortunately, the vextra itself didn't get popular enough for its development to reach full production
however
lots of its designs would be carried over to the current French VBCI tanks
another image
thats all for the French armored car line
don't worry, i got plenty more of other armored car lines from different nations
sharp marsh
AMX 12T, 13 75, 13 90, and 13 105 are already in the game
so they just need to be ported over
so is the erac 105
AMX-10C
basically a modified amx-10 chasis that was designed alongside the development period of the 10RC
it was offered to the french army but they declined it
MARS 15-105
the mars 15 was made in an effort to replace the aging AMX 13 tanks
there were 2 versions of it - the 90mm and the 105
in this case, the mars 15 105 has the early TML turret like on the AMX-10RC TML
in the end, the project would fail due to lack o finterest and shifting priorities
mars 15 90 is listed as an era 2 premium
thats all for the French tech tree tanks
now onto the premiums
CDA 105, CDC, Somua SM, 13 m24, and Alt AMX 30 are already in game so they just need to be ported over
char 40T SAGEM
so this is a blueprint project for the char 40t that replaced the oscilating turret with a more conventional style of turret
blurprints of it exist
Le Char 40T SAGEM
and this is a recreation of what the tank may have looked like
AMX 30 super
warthunder model here
so the AMX 30 super is essentially an upgraded AMX 30B with the german leopard 1 MTU engine generating 850hp and has an uppgraded suspension system with larger road wheels
amx 30 DFC
a technology demenstrator on the chassis of an AMX-30B2 tested in 1990
project was made for the seeking of a tank with "stealth" capabilities
i think a cool niche for it would be to give it an improved camo rating compared to other era 2 mediums
I already showed off the TC2 and TC3 models up above
and the AuF1 TM is just a different upgraded AuF1 with other stuff going on with it
amx 30 acra
this thing is essentailly the french equivalent of the M60A2 we currently have in game
prototype was made, but the project of the ACRA gun launchers would eventually be canned due to the expensive cost of the missle system and the decelopment of the HOT launchers nearing their completion by that time
sharp marsh
I'm gonna
sharp marsh
I cooked something up and will show later for this
Also I finished my swedish stuff so I'll post that soon
sharp marsh
ok so...
this is an extended line that starts after the AMX 30A
TC1, 2, and 3 were already shown above but I will show again just for good measure
now...onto perhaps the most interesting tanks out of all the lines that I have made thus far
the EBC and the 2 EBCL variants
in 1986, a patent for a new kind of tank would be conceptualised and drawn up with lots of conceptualised specifications for weight, aramanent, and armor
the first patent version was called the EBC, and was kind of your standard run of the mill mbt-like tank with the typical armor and gun setup n whatnot
this is the EBC
the tank was also supposed to have the ability of a hydropneumatic suspension that could either be manual or automatic per the crews wishes
gun is an autoloading 120mm
armor layout
interestingly, there was also a concept for it to be able to fight air targets with rockets on the sides (sides of the armor were also made of rockets and were appropriately named "rocket armor")
Now... for the EBCL-1 and 2
in 1998, the general plan for the EBC would be revamped and the tank would essentially be enlargened up in every possible way
more armor, larger size overall, larger gun, etc
the EBC was project to weigh about 55.5 tons
but the EBCL-1 and 2 were both supposed to weight 120 and 150 tons
oh yeah, cold war super heavies >:)
this is a real project btw
EBCL-1 front profile
notice a third tracck in the center
the guns would be optionalised to be 120 or 140 depending on the wishes of the crew
due to the size increase the tank could accomodate the extra gun size and ammo capacity
front view of EBCL-2
much larger, and has 4 tracks instead of the typical 2 or weird 3 that the EBCL-1 had
side view
now...because of the sheer weight of the tank
the engineer behind the project porposed that there be 2 engines and 2 transmissions for the tank
(EBCL-1 and 2)
there are no details on what the actual engines rated horsepower would be let alone the engine name, but I presume they were supposed to be the same ones as used on the leclerc
so 3000hp (lecerc engine X2) divided by 120 = 25
so 25 hp/t for the EBCL-1
good horsepower per ton HOWEVER
to balance it out it will have a much lower top speed compared to other mbts in era 3
talking like a 60kmh max top speed
and of course 3000gp divided by 150 = 20
so EBCL-2 will be very well armored and gunned up but the speed of it will be very restrained
these things are essentially mobile fortresses that have solid armor all around and can bounce plenty of shots but can also be penned by plenty of shots
they're slow, but hit hard
thats all for my french stuff
sharp marsh
OK i did some stuff with this
so earlier on I explained that I also proposed for the year cap of 1999 to be raised to 2005 so that way we can get more tanks within a 60 year timeframe
this is one such reason why - the vextra 120
or otherwise the vextra 120 "POLE"
tested out in the early 2000s with what is essentially a modfied leclerc turret with a variant of the lecerc's gun
still a third gen tank so it would fit in era 3
barring that the cap year gets changed to 2005
sharp marsh
ok so apprently a few premiums escaped me
so heres the last of my proposal for the French
MEPHISTO
specifically the vab mephisto
a wheeled atgm carrier that carries HOT missles
neon wharf
I always admire your dedication but this team just doesn't care
sharp marsh
2 variants existed called avs-1 and avs-2
slight differences between the two with i beleive sifferent style of turrets and hulls
both the auto loading systems would then be implemented in some capacity with the finalisation of the lecerc
the avs has a slightly different rear side geometry compared to the standard AMX 40 we have in game
and it has a small bit of more frontal armor on the gun mantlet compared to the AMX 40 we have in game
still retains the 20mm auto cannon
sharp marsh
I always admire your dedication but this team just doesn't care
you think?
they not only implemented but also shouted out Joco for the japanese line
anyways
lastly...
neon wharf
Ifk about that, but that line is only Type 74
sharp marsh
and thats a problem?
neon wharf
We could've gotten much more plus.. This game has many issues that need to be addressed and they just don't do that
sharp marsh
AMX 40 E4
after the trials of the AMX 40, AMX would go back to teh drawing board and came up with a specific version designed for Egypt's interest in mind
they looked at the success of the osorio during the trials (both the osorio and amx 40 competed in the trials) and would make a tank with similar aspects to the osorio
the AMX 40 E4 would ditch the 20mm auto cannon, and would have an elongated/widened hull, widened tracks, and some different internal systems for the Egyptian army such as AC
the project only remained on the drawing board however due to the cancellation of the AMX 40 project and all attention going to the leclerc
oh yeah and the E4 was supposed to have more armor making it weight slightly more than the osorio
more detailed rendition of that paper
and that is all for my French proposal
let me know what you guys think and if you have any questions i will be more than welcome to clear them up as best I can
fallen ether
Amx40 e4 could be a premium maybe?
fallen ether
Ifk about that, but that line is only Type 74
Japan during the cw era didn't have to many tanks so we got what we could
sharp marsh
Amx40 e4 could be a premium maybe?
thats what i have it listed as
fallen ether
Oh nice didn't notice it
sharp marsh
so to show off that one 13 1987
its this thing
essentially a modified amx 13 105 that is able to fire apfsds rounds and has a whole slew of internal upgrades that make it parralel to the austrian SK-105A2
oh yeah
and i also found this interesting amx 13 variant
AMX 13 105 Obusier
funky amx 13 that has a 105mm launcher that fires low velocity HE and HEAT rounds
it was made to be a parralel to the M4s 105mm gun
i have the Obusier as an era 1 premium
vagrant glade
<:Shrug0:927625964253483059>
personally ima steal this line XD
sharp marsh
By all means
sharp marsh
this is the full updated proposal
sharp marsh
an altertnative stuff
by far one of my favorites I have made thus far for the continuation/alt lines (more to come)
so the above main proposal can and will still work plenty, but i wanted to make this one to be more concise with the line and more logical in the evolution of the tanks
char 25t and 40t were moved and uptiered to be in their own line that leads to the Futur tanks
the futur tanks were the tanks designed prior to the AS series of tanks
and of course, the char futur 4 had some hand in the development of the Leclerc - namely the MSC so thats why it leads to the MSC
lecerc S1 which is currently a top tier got down tiered to mid era 3 so the S2 can be top tier
Futur 2
Futur 3
and of course the Futur 4 is already in WW2 and just needs to be ported over
Leclerc S2
notice the lower plate
made in 1997 as well, so it fits perfectly in the Era 3 space
from warthunder: "features a hybrid air conditioner to cool the computer system as well as an independent air conditioning unit installed on the back roof behind the gunner's hatch. Other enhancements include an additional splash guard added to the front hull, a remote-operated hydraulic track tensioner, bolt-on appliqué armour on each hull sponson, and the replacement of the Athos thermal imaging equipment on the gunner's sight with the new Iris thermal imaging equipment. A total of 176 units were manufactured."
sharp marsh
OH yeah the leclerc MSC is uhhhh
Le ARES
its going through some things in warthunder currently
but what i was thinking was more something with the sketch and model
sharp marsh
So the MSC is essentially a tech tree ares prototype that can be upgraded
Much like other tanks that are identical looking but have a tech tree and premium counterpart
sharp marsh
updated this one
wanted to be more specific with the AVS2 and AVS1 because those where the only prototypes of those 40s
alongside making a more "vague" but workable pre series Lecerc since the MSC specifically is more or less just the Ares variant
Now, the Estienne Leclerc
this is one of the EPC variants that was made before the production of the S1
the Estienne specifically was made to be used as a target for the testing of the newer CN 120 26 gun and ammo
my idea behind this one would be a heavily damaged looking Leclerc that is still able to be driven around and shoot like a regular tank
as for the AMX 40 AVS2
the warthunder model of the AMX 40 is actuall the AVS2 version with the front dozer blade attachment (yes, that is what the dozer blade looked like - i thought it was some sort of add on package for ERA at frirst but nope its a dozer blade)
externally, the AMX 40 and AVS2 arent crazy different, but internally they are quite different with the systems and transmission
and i was also thinking that the console AMX 40 AVS2 model could be a more "cleaned" version of the current AMX 40 - essentially newer looking paint and no red rusted looking spots on the tank model
sharp marsh
updated this one
Another thing about this is the AVS1 could also be the stock modules for the AVS2
Because both the AVS1 and 2 were made at the same time and had both the same potential upgrade packages
IE the internals and extra turret armor alongside the dozer blade
This in particular
If the AVS1 isn't a premium, then it can be replaced by the AMX 40 P4 with an upgraded transmission and different hull/turret model
AMX 40 P4
manic elk
Always down for more tt tanks with proper balancing very nice👌