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[torpid garden]

It's becoming impossible to play. I as a new player could take a breath and calm my nerves after the random and play in co-op. Now it's worse than random. Bots raid the crowd, all their shots I get through the first time, and I need to vyuelivayut to penetrate and that does not always help, often fly ricochets and non-piercing. You discourage people from playing this game. And as for beginners it is even more, a couple of fights and a person says I will not play it anymore. Before you do anything and introduce something should be consulted with those who play your game. If nothing changes, I will also leave this game, despite the fact that I really liked it when I started playing it!

[glass flint]

Play tier 3-4 ww2 PvP as an beginner and all will be good 👍

[torpid garden]

Try tier 3 - 4 and earn some silver

[glass flint]

Take your time! No need to rush early above tier 5.

[torpid garden]

I'm more interested in playing Cold War. Only now the bots kick me out feet first after this season's update. I can't play comfortably.

[glass flint]

🤷🏻‍♂️ to learn the game ww2 fits better for beginners in my opinion. It is way more comfortable playing tier 3-5 and learn the mechanics and maps. But it is your decision

[onyx wraith]

I disagree, ww2 has so many problems. Invisible tanks, clear advantages with tanks some ww2 tanks being almost useless. CW are 1 teaches to always watch your surroundings. It has decent diversity. No rockets or artillery. Cw era 1 has little to no premiums and those that do exist are balanced. You have some tanks to look out for like the 4005 and the french auto loaders. However thats all good to teach toblook out for diffrent types of tanks.

Ww2
Just teaches you to die to premium tanks youll never see and or Penn. Oh and almost always lose money. CW if you can do decent you make money. Game had to sabotage CW because it was so much better experience then ww2.

Now era 2 is a mess but era 3 balances out.

[sage thistle]

Coop is the better option to learn stay back instead of charging in learn to read the map . Use hull down and also look what other players are doing . Always fire a d move never stay staic unless hull down or in hard cover . We have all been there

[onyx wraith]

Also if war gamming altered bots its because old players complain when the show up in regular play. They aren't designed for new player experience sorry.

[torpid garden]

So let them change them in the online game. Why touch my co-op?

[onyx wraith]

War gamming isnt a company that cares about you more so new players.

Even old players are in and out because of bad pratices, op tanks and sabotage of thier own game.

To say the least this games survives because its the only one. War thunder is so different it barely has an effect and thier issues are worse then WOTs.

[glass flint]

I stop reading at invisible tanks . It is very important to understand that these thanks are unspotted and not invisible. It is the unique core mechanic of the game world of tanks. These mechanics are the reason for the success of the game especially the pc version of it.

[glass flint]

Co op can be a good spot for beginners. I agree

[onyx wraith]

Difference of player type. No war in history can you have a tank in the middle of a field and not see it. I prefer being able to have the skill of seeing unspotted tanks and killing them. Having a guy with a max commander and max upgrades, un detectable. Not fun for me and alot of other players. It's the benifit of to diffrent playstyles. Ww2 like advantages. I like as little as possible.

That advantage is why I dont play ww2, same premium tank problem but now after a year to get a teir 10 casually. I get killed by tanks I never get to see like the taran and lose silver even if Im mvp with no gold anything.

Tis why I say CW is new player friendly. Era 1 is mostly balanced. Has teaching tanks like the fv4005 the 107 and bulldog so on. Plus You make silver not lose it constantly. Takes less time. Then its almost entirely skill based. Commanders still give advantage bit you can still see the fv sitting there and kill him.

So you can stop at invisible tanks but that matters to others.

[glass flint]

I understand but this is not for what the game world of tanks stands. You would prefer Cold War or war thunder more I guess. But please stop blaming world of tanks for the unique core mechanics it has 😉

[onyx wraith]

Its not a blame its just not what I would call new player friendly

My brother an law hated that mechanic immediately. Its the type of person honestly.

You have to like that gameplay to enjoy it. Many do.

I hate unfair advanteges however you see it as a mechanic. It has value too. Far less run and gun.

Its the same in any game.

Diffrent values for diffrent mechanics

Most dont split their game in half though.

[glass flint]

I managed to be good in ww2 and I like the challenge and the task of every tankclass in the battle. Of course if your light tank player is bad in doing the spots then it is hard to deal with unspotted enemies. Don’t push in unknown areas or try to stay unspotted if so.

Cold War is unfortunately a bit to easy for my taste. What I see it is easier to doing good in Cold War then in ww2.

Maybe a different topic to discuss. 😉
GG

[onyx wraith]

I actually like that alot. Its very accurate. I liked ww2 in the day because it felt more balanced and players tried harder to teamwork. Now Im so used to CW ww2 feels like pain because I do t know the flow or how to play anymore. However I still feel like ww2 needs more skill and patience new players might feel more satisfied with the immediate gratification of CW. However yiu have to admit lots of ww2 tanks are so outclassed if the player doesn't pick right it could kill the game entirely.

I have so many times my tank couldn't penn no matter where I aimed even on the back. Thats not fun for me but adds the each tank has a role CW doesn't have. Not even close. Its whats more op for your playstyle.

Ww2 has that role requirement or youll lose.

[glass flint]

Unfortunately I can deal with every tank in ww2 and would doing “good” in it compared to others. But to begin I was bad but liked the challenge to get better.

Also the clan war community is not that big in Cold War because maybe true vision does not fit in clan wars?

And I would say that there are more bot games then in ww2 at the moment

[onyx wraith]

True yiu would expect that from new or older mode. That doesn't mean its more or less valid. Many people dont play wot at all because of ww2 and how it works. Honestly Im curious about the new game they are making and what they will keep or be rid of. I hope the bring back old aiming at certain places in a tank to penn.

I cant do war thunder because the life system and hacking problems.

So I stay CW is my middle ground.

So theres no way to say which is better honestly its up to the individual. At least there is a choice.

[glass flint]

I find this project cw looking more interesting than our Cold War. It’s kind of unique as well. We will see… 😉

[onyx wraith]

Im hopping its good I want a new tank game.

[torpid garden]

Bots are so crazy in co-op that they hit you with anti-tank guns through smoke. But you weren't standing still, you were moving. Stop this circus. Bring back normal co-op with bots for newbies.