Arty 3.0

[tulip bronze]

Sense arty is still a problem I suggest that they act more like war thunder arty

Revert the damage back the 1.0 with longer reload keep everything else like the HP buff they got and make accuracy slightly better but changed the way u aim to be more like war thunder only

[mint thistle]

So your arty change is just to eliminate the class and make them TDs.

To be clear I like the solution, but calling it anything other than "removing arty" is funny

[tulip bronze]

I mean it's not removing arty class but it's a different way to aim

Plus TD tend to get good camo values with damage and 700-1300 alpha while this would have worse camo values and higher alpha like it used to have

[mint thistle]

It's direct fire, but without elevation assistance. You're removing the indirect fire core identity of the class

[tulip bronze]

What if they were the only class to get true vision 😂

Honestly I'm not sure tho

The arty in wt has a nice balance to it with how it's played and I think it would work on wot

[mint thistle]

Unlimited render maybe, not TV though

[mint thistle]

Bc it's not indirect fire. That's what is broken

[tulip bronze]

I could see that working

[sharp pasture]

Artillery fire is still a real world issue for tanks. Especially with laser guidance, don't change arty.

[tulip bronze]

Real arty tanks don't act like what we have in wot not to mention this is a arcade game the arty is still a problem with what we got now so I do see this as a fix

[sand marlin]

Make them SPGs. Less accurate, lower shell velocity, but a bigger gun, bigger splash. Just for fortified positions

There’s a yt video that explains it much better

[noble hawk]

Well biggest nerf for arty has been Vigilante

[tulip bronze]

That's for all tanks lol

[next condor]

Is it the chems one

[fervent forge]

If they add an assault SPG I'm going to perish.

[eternal hedge]

What they should do is revert it back to where they was originally where they had the high alpha but give them even longer reloads make the accuracy even worse in the end times longer and it would balance in my opinion because the way they changed the already they just made them even worse and more overpowered than they previously was I don't understand why they gave him more Health like it just doesn't make sense like they don't listen to the communities feedback at all cuz just imagine how this game would be if they actually listened to our feedback the game would be in such a better state

[next condor]

The health is actually neat, extra damage

[mint thistle]

The sturm is already in the game

[fervent forge]

I know but it doesn't work like the one that was mentioned.

The way the assault SPGs work

Is that they are basically offensive artillery

They have shorter range, and less damage than normal arty. But they actually get some armor, along with arty sights.

[tulip bronze]

I mean we already have TDs and they have stupid good camo and some with armor to while the would just get a big gun

[fervent forge]

The main difference is that assault arty would behave like arty.

Can shoot over obstruction and stuff like that.

[tulip bronze]

Arty 1.0 was a problem and 2.0 still is and HP buff I don't mind because it gives me more damage overall but this would be a fix I believe for both sides on those how don't like arty and those that do

[tulip bronze]

I mean u can technically do that now but a little different

[fervent forge]

Also this is referring to Obj 261/4

That weird new tank they added on the russian PC servers.

[tulip bronze]

Na I try to keep PC away from us lol

[fervent forge]

Love it or hate it. Anything PC gets console eventually gets

Except the Russian servers. That's an exception.

Mostly in some modified way tho

[tulip bronze]

Not everything but close

[fervent forge]

The TS-54 on PC has three guns? For some reason.

Could just be a rendering error on saw on the video

[tulip bronze]

I mean either way I took a clip on the m44 that is on wt and on wot as a arty and arty is a problem for most people but on wt it is not because it acts like this

[tulip bronze]

👆

[mint thistle]

Sky view plus infinite render range is broken it turns out

[tranquil egret]

I think the problem with arty is it's magic map view not arty itself. If we made it to where they have to scroll wheel through range finder and were told distance of enemy tanks on hub when spotted instead of a drone view of the map it'd be way better. This whole magic map view like a predator drone has got to go.

[fervent forge]

I play both games

I feel like arty playing like it does in warthunder.

Isn't really a good idea

There isn't really a core way to fix artillery in my opinion.

[tulip bronze]

Arty in wt Plays just fine but in only problem people don't like about it is that the only to kill/do any damage is to over pressure but wot doesn't really have that due to it being an arcade game so it should balance out

[fervent forge]

I don't really think artillery in wot is consistent enough to be any form of offensive.

Defensive maybe

[tulip bronze]

I mean I play aggressive in mine it works fine but it also depends on maps to

[fervent forge]

Idk. Arty has never been my favorite class

I don't like the point and click gameplay.

Especially with how inaccurate they can be at times.

S-51 with 203 is both amazing and painful.

[tulip bronze]

Tbf the s51 doesn't have gun depression and and with this fix art would be more accurate

[tulip bronze]

That's pretty much how they are now but this gets rid of this sitting in the back but they get to do more damage

So it's a good trade

[fervent forge]

Basically makes arty more of a play style instead of "click"

At the cost of the arty actually playing like an arty and more like a direct fire howitzer.

[tulip bronze]

I mean with the way they are designed now is still the most toxic class in the game

All u do is sit in the back and hope u don't miss

[fervent forge]

That's true

[tulip bronze]

His would make it easier to do damage and also cancel out sitting in the back so teams can push

[fervent forge]

I'll compromise with you.

Artillery gets a damage nerf for the longer the shell is in the air. Remove the top-down view and use the other view. This motivates players to use the tank up close, but doesn't completely remove the option of long war bombardment for them. Think the Grom from PC. But with an artillery.

This makes them into a sort of battalion artillery

[tulip bronze]

This is interesting 🤔

Would it act like a siege mode or like normal?

[fervent forge]

Hm. Yes. If it gets the switch modes, it'll be able to switch from direct fire to arty fire and back.

[tulip bronze]

I do like that idea

[tulip bronze]

@pliant berry

[pliant berry]

https://tenor.com/view/obito-uchiha-obito-naruto-naruto-shippuden-gif-25032724

[pliant berry]

1: Interesting idea but as people pointed out, it will be like a TD.
putting away the indirect fire mode, But we don't have a way to set up coordinates it does that automatically for us.

2: As someone said Assault SPG's (well Sturmtiger's are one of these)
but the Obj. 261 v4/5 (technically a Obj. 260 hull so its wrong classed by name.
however I do think these are what a Assault SPG's are giving a unique way to playstyle. by being aware of angles. (Chems goes into this more)

3: I personally don't really see this happening, but nice touch either way

[eternal hedge]

There used to be a glitch in a game that allowed you to do that but they patched it really quickly that was back on the 360 I remember you going to artillery View then you disconnect your batteries from your controller and you'll be in Sniper View that was the best way to shotgun people but it got fixed relatively fast

[fervent forge]

That sounds cool

[eternal hedge]

And you know what else was cool it actually increased your accuracy and made your gun pinpoint accurate

[tulip bronze]

I just wanna bring this thread back because I believe it's needed

[lucid dove]

I personally would like to be able to treat some of them like a TD

[sand marlin]

Yes

[tulip bronze]

U kinda can already because if the hp buff and faster reload

[lucid dove]

No I don’t mean kinda

I mean direct fire like a regular TD can. Even if the round lobs like the low caliber howitzer function

[tulip bronze]

Would be cool to see honestly

[lucid dove]

My thoughts exactly

[next condor]

Hmm, what if in td mode the enemy wouldn't have the "arty is aiming" indicator but instead just the normal one for when a tank or td aims at you

[ornate zephyr]

Funny thing is this how I play arty in wot

[sand marlin]

I love playing em like that too

[ornate zephyr]

Tru it's feels like playing an high alpha td

[sand marlin]

The bad part is no scope though

[ornate zephyr]

Close combat is what I do but 90% it backfires lol

[tulip bronze]

@fervent forge

[fervent forge]

Oh yea

[gray haven]

so basically

delete artillery

no argument from me here

[tulip bronze]

@slim rivet

[tulip bronze]

It's not really deleting them but it's more of a change

U can still act like arty but in a spg aspect

If that makes sense

[slim rivet]

Hmmmm I'm torn. It would solve anyone just nag hating on arties. However the uniquess of it goes away. Mabey a set of limited ammo that can be shot like normal but only a set ammount of times. Mabey give them and only them TV but keep camo low. A big blast is easy to see?

[tulip bronze]

That part would be up to wg to decide on

[slim rivet]

I feel like things like this should be worked on in thier new game. Ive been hopping for a better war thunder world.of tanks game for awhile. Things as they are now they would never make a change like that so hard take like a serious option. I wouldn't mind something like that.

[tulip bronze]

Pretty much why I been playing cts

[slim rivet]

Cts?

[tulip bronze]

Cursed tank simulator

Like like a wot and wt combination

Build ur own tank and have the realization of wt

@slim rivet I can send u pictures of it if u want

U might like it

[slim rivet]

Sure, Im willing to try anything.

[tulip bronze]

U have to accept my friend request in order to send 🥲

[slim rivet]

Oh 1 sec

Just no personal arguments or non tank related stuff plz.

[tulip bronze]

Understandable

[slim rivet]

You k ow what CW arties could 100% be like that though.

However depends on if they actually nerf speed like I hope.

[dusk scaffold]

This whole post is a no. Just nerf them. Reduce module damage, can't full pen with HE, and the ap and heat can pen.

Problem solved

[tulip bronze]

@dusk scaffold That doesn't fix it at all

Fast reload and lob shots over mountains while getting free damage from sitting at spawn isn't fair at all

This would fix it

[mint thistle]

There are only 2 real solutions to arty being toxic. Literally halving (at least) the alpha with no other changes or removing the mechanic entirely.

[next condor]

Even at half the damage it will hurt a lot

[hollow summit]

Or….
Why not make Arty more collaborative? Meaning, nothing shows up on arty Map until a teammate targets an enemy using the in game com system. Then that tank shows up on Arty map, and they can hit that target. This would encourage team work and make being hit by one a result of the opposite team actively requesting fire on you

I target enemies I want team mates to hit all the time and hope Arty is paying attention to help knock out a threat.
This could work and help solve the problem. If no one targets anyone. Arty hangs out eating popcorn and hopes they win

Also more real to life. Arty does nothing until someone calls in fire support and informs the location where to shoot

[tulip bronze]

Pretty much why I think this 3.0 would be a fix on a lot of stuff for it

[mint thistle]

That’s what spotting and radio ranges emulate already, just passively and built into the game

[copper obsidian]

I'd assume SPGs can still blind fire?

Honestly not too too bad ig

Giving them some skill they'd have to learn wouldn't be so bad

[copper obsidian]

I feel like it's not really arty 3.0 so much as it's just making them worse TDs

I still feel like all you need to do is change the arty view

To something that would actually require a skill

Maybe having a pinpoint accurate real time view of what you're hitting with a obstacle detector and travel time displayed so you can perfectly aim even at tank weakpoints with the only thing stopping it is poor accuracy probably isn't the best artillery system

Like literally no game does artillery like this, even those that have an arty like ability or ultimate in games don't do this because it's broken as all hell

The only game I can think of that gets close is bastions ultimate in overwatch, even then, it doesn't tell you the shell travel speed so wots arty is still better

[tulip bronze]

Yes and no

It's more realistic plus I have the ability to still lob shots over hills but in a different way

[marsh spade]

Chems (PC player) made a good point about making changes to artillery to make it more interesting.