A possible solution to atgms

[kindred pecan]

My recent thread regarding atgms has cleared 1 thing

Not everyone have issues with atgm like me
This can be the result of different things
Like not playing other tank classes
Sheer luck sometimes
Or they genuinely have a play style that keeps them safe from atgms
Or plainly trying to abuse what i personally think is op

Regardless

Instead of nerfing atgms and punishing everyone

I think best solution is to add a equipment that reduces atgm damage and module damage to your tank

I think its best to add a crew skill to supplement this

And possibly be stackable with
Equipment and crew skill that reduces general damage taking

I would sacrifice either gun rammer or gun stablizer for this equipment on all of my era 2 tanks and most of era 3

[kindred pecan]

Example
25% damage reduction to atgms that have 700+alpha
75% module damage reduction

And a crew skill which gives 5% atgm damage reduction

Equal 30%damage reduction to atgms +10 the other equipment and crew skill

I would trade gun accuracy and dpms on my tanks for that for sure

Elc has 1300 -40%=780

I can survive that
And remember most tanks have 2 different guns

@pine fossil

[pine fossil]

Does Spall liner do anything? I am not even sure if it is only in WW2 or in both modes. I am also not sure if it reduces non-penetrating HE damage in WW2.

But perhaps Spall Liner is a candidate for something that reduces ATGM HP/Module damage.

[kindred pecan]

It doesnt provide much he damage reduction in ww2
It was like 10%
But it says it has 50%

And i haven't tested it in cw
I mean i dont have issue with a non penning atgm

[balmy blaze]

What about active protection system. Any tank modern enough in CW could totally have soft/hard kill APS as a consumable.

I mean that's how it works irl.

Like why doesn't the Merkava have Trophy

Or the Abrams iron curtain/ quick kill.

Or the Leo's AMAP-ADS

Though idk if that's too recent.

Trophy was in service from 2010

But russian drozd was between 1977 and 1982

[kindred pecan]

Im not confident in our devs ability to implement such mechanics

And besides most tanks in the game dont have aps systems

[wheat cobalt]

The only inherent issue I see with atgms is the module damage. Beyond the few small stealthy premiums that have them, atgms aren't a serious issue and on a few platforms they are even weak. Something that is a direct counter to their main offense is not something I can get behind, it's just simply unfair.

[turbid fiber]

Would make atgms redundant/useless

A slight module damage decrease would be best

The entire point of ATGMS is for them to be slow but hit hard

[uncut steeple]

In my opinion everything should have a counter to it including atgm's so yeah aps would be worth experimenting with i think anyways

[wintry zealot]

I think equipment that flat out reduces atgm damage isn't the best option. Aps would make way more sense as equipment.
@pine fossil no spall liner does nothing according to WG atgms don't have blast radius🥴

Possible other fixes may include but are not limited to the following
-hard stop on concealment say 100m or allow for manual spotting on top of auto spotting similar to battlefield spot function. (Like I might know there is an elc/wiesel somewhere but I can't tell my team that. I personally think this is where the frustration is really coming from)
-dual weapon systems not getting gold ammo. Premium atgms shouldn't be a thing and definitely shouldn't get gold autocannons rounds (big problem on ignis and bagel panzer)
-toning down atgm damage by something like 10% overall
-active protection system as equipment slot

Also the module damage stat on some atgm tanks is crazy and for sure needs to be addressed

[kindred pecan]

As i said this solution is for people like me who have such a big issue dealing with atgms
And the equipment i suggest will only reduce damage of atgms woth 700+alpha maybe even 800

Thing like bmp 1

Its weak

But elc? Begleit?

[kindred pecan]

How would the aps work?
Like stop all incoming atgms indefinitely?
Or with cd?

I dont think we can expect such advanced mechanics from this game

I understand a flat samage reduction might not be the best option
But benefit will come at a cost
A cost to Firepower

It is most effective when combined with the existing famage reduction skill and equipment
So you get damage reduction
But you lose 2 equipment slots

I love my t55am
But i face at least 5 atgms per game
Usually 3 elc tank
I personally would want damage reduction pls

[wintry zealot]

APS is a trophy system essentially with a set amount of charges i think merkava gets 10 on war thunder which might be much for our game.

I think your percentage for damage reduction is a bit much but the module damage for some tanks is stupid high and needs to be nerfed flat out across the board.

[wheat cobalt]

The list of strong atgms tanks is much shorter than those that are decent or weak. Wouldn't it be a better idea to tackle the outliers directly?

[kindred pecan]

Maybe a 15% on equipment +5 for a dedicated crew skill
+5 existing crew skill
+5 existing equipment

[kindred pecan]

I be honest sturm
I have given up on the idea that they will balance these tanks
Begleit maybe but elc?
Its a premium tank i doubt they would nerf it ever

As a result i came up with a possible solution

My solution is quite costly tho
It requires 2 equipment slots
And 2 skills

On some tanks its impossible to take
Like phorahs fury
That thing has a troll gun imagine not having vert stabs on it

[kindred pecan]

It apears my solution its pretty meh given that its so quite