T249 Black The most ''underperforming'' light tank EVER TOTALLY weak :o

[cold sigil]

Hey Guys! Don't you love being clipped out 400m away in a ridgeline in 2 seconds. It's weak tank I don't make the rules go ask WG with this ''TOLTALLY'' Balanced tank in their statistics chart. Who don't love being oneshot while playing a paper tank? 🙂

T249 Black The most ''underperforming'' light tank EVER TOTALLY weak :o

[rain socket]

"But you guys just have to adopt to it its not that bad"
🙂

I hate this tank

When i say tank i mean spaa

[zealous aurora]

It’s still a tank. Spaa can be tanks, tanks can be spaa

[rain socket]

If so why chieftain said
Scorpion isnt actually a tank?

Scorpion the british light recon vehicles

[uneven oxide]

Don't over extend or play a heavy, problem solved. Me and a buddy were wrecking these things in Tier 8 heavy tanks. This playerbase just loves to cry

[autumn zinc]

something tell me this dude is 45%

[uneven oxide]

Something tell me, you've been outplayed by a T249 multiple times 😢🤣

Try over 60%

[autumn zinc]

huh

I own it

thing is absurd

I'm personally saying from using it it's broken

or it's just completely useless

[solar crag]

I agree with you saying you are able to outplay them, but to do so you have to play something that thing is not able to pen, this tank just wrecked the meta and it is overpowered and nobody should say otherwise

[rain socket]

You have 0 standards...

You will eat what ever wg puts infront of you

[uneven oxide]

Metas change, like I said me and a buddy took 2 tier 8 heavies out and absolutely annihilated these tanks.....its obviously a skill issue

[uneven oxide]

Don't get caught out in the open, people want to play lightly armoured vehicles too aggressively. People need to learn the strengths and weaknesses of their vehicles

[rain socket]

You are so so so unreasonable its unbelievable

[uneven oxide]

It is OP though compared to other lights at same tier

[uneven oxide]

Why? Because I actually think

[solar crag]

You are right, but many of the T249 dumb Truck Yolo you if they get the slightest Chance, it should not be possible in my opinion that a scout can one clip 3 Tier 10 scout in under 4 seconds pr anything like that

[rain socket]

You? Think? Dont make me laugh

[uneven oxide]

"In this game, it's adapt or die—there's no middle ground."

[solar crag]

Other scouts are Kinda unplayable against that tank

[uneven oxide]

So run away

[rain socket]

Here we are complaining about a tank that can yolo the 0 line and kill 2 tanks before dying

And you talk about adopting

[solar crag]

I agree but if you could change the tank would you say it is way to strong and should be changed?

[rain socket]

What you call crying
I call people not eating the pop wg puts infront of them

[solar crag]

I mean everybody should agree that conplaining will change nothing cause WG will not change the tank

[uneven oxide]

Well that's on the players that are playing those vehicles. If three light tanks want to sit next to each other and get clipped out knowingb this thing is on the battlefield, that's a skill issue

[solar crag]

I don't say that it is Happening I say that even to have the possibility on a scout is disgusting

[uneven oxide]

Maybe a camo nerf to bring it in line with the Manticore

[rain socket]

The negative feed back had an effect it forced them to admit it and they said they will change it
Even if they just said i know complaining about wont change much

But not complaining about it gives reassurance and they will release something even worse

[uneven oxide]

Tomatoes, tomatoes, 🍅let's call the whole thing off

[solar crag]

Okay, if i could change it i would nerf camo a bit and the clip dmg down to 1500 or something like that plus longer intra clip so you need about 10 seconds to full clip plus worse gunhandling

I mean yes some Situation you can avoid and outplay it but i Player it on a friends account and Yolod on ghost town behind a machine and udes 15 16 and full clipped both of then before they could even React

Just blink of an eye dead

[rain socket]

The camo issue in the game doesn't come from the tanks rather the camonet equipment

[uneven oxide]

It starts with the tank

And it's still concealment factor

[solar crag]

I dont really think we have a Camo Issue here😂 camo on console is quite bad

[rain socket]

Tank class mostly

Camo net provide +30% to tds

[solar crag]

On PC all players would get outspotted and blind shot all the time

It is not 30 mate

[uneven oxide]

You just said it was due to equipment, pick an argument and stick with it. You are just a walking contradiction in itself

[solar crag]

It is 10%

[rain socket]

How ignorant you are

You said its tank itself
What i said was relevant answer to yours

[solar crag]

I get the point and i complain as well but there are people that dont because they know it won't change anything and you should Respect that

[rain socket]

You must be 11 year old

[solar crag]

Chill

[uneven oxide]

Every tank has different camo rating even tanks in the same class. Going off height etc

[solar crag]

There are tanks like t95 where camo is way to good for there size but i mostly agree

[uneven oxide]

Because I don't agree with your clownish remarks you resort to insults....wouldn't expect anything less 🫡

[solar crag]

Whats you ingame Wiesel?

[rain socket]

Be responsible you

And look at your own ignorance

[uneven oxide]

Bit rich coming from you 🫡

[solar crag]

Guys, be respectful

[autumn zinc]

yup balanced

totally just didn't get a triple kill in less than 3 second

[solar crag]

😂😂

[rain socket]

What ever makes you feel better 🙂

[uneven oxide]

Endgame when they're all more or less waiting to die. Good play

[autumn zinc]

I told my platoon mate they "wanna see 3 people die rq"

[rain socket]

"Just adept to it 🤡"

[autumn zinc]

worse part

all 3 of them were reloading

[uneven oxide]

It's unbelievable as a clean up tank

Like the batchat 25t was 6 or 7 years ago

[solar crag]

Batchat war not really like that😂

[autumn zinc]

25t was never broken or op

[rain socket]

Just move auto lock and destroy

[uneven oxide]

Maybe not on that level 🤣

[solar crag]

Not quit😂🫶🏻

Whats you ingame name @uneven oxide

[uneven oxide]

You must be new

[autumn zinc]

no I'm not and it never really was back in the day

but go ahead and tell me how broken it was

[uneven oxide]

Its same as here I'm over 60% winrate on multiple alt accounts though

😉🫡

[solar crag]

Nice

[autumn zinc]

and let's be real why even play a 25t nower days

when the murat is superior

[solar crag]

Mine is same as here

[autumn zinc]

12 degree better reload better pen better everything

[uneven oxide]

Why play a Murat when there's the T249 🤣

[autumn zinc]

True true

[rain socket]

Still cant belive how some people would say just adopt and dont play glass cannon vehicles
When clearly the thing is broken op
9k dpm
Best in class camo
Highest view range
Adopt adopt adopt
What if sombody wants to play glass cannons should they suffer cuz wg wants to make easy money

[solar crag]

You know what i dont get mate? You conplain about the tank but you as well bought it and Player over 100 battles in it. I don't wanna trigger you or something like that. But to me it makes no sense to complain about something you do as well and you spent money on. Why should wargaming do something about it if it gets played and it people buy it?

[autumn zinc]

because if I didn't own the tank how would I be able to give a proper feedback on it

[uneven oxide]

But felt the need to put over 100 games on it

[autumn zinc]

also like it or not that tank is a easy money maker to

unless you know the entire team is super heavys

I've had games like that before

was not fun

[rain socket]

Yes its the rirst tier 10 premium tank

[autumn zinc]

25% silver bonus and had almost no ammo cost

[solar crag]

Bad excuse sorry mate...that is just controverse

[rain socket]

Also wouldnt you enjoy to delete 3 people in 1 sec?

[uneven oxide]

People just need to learn positioning and their vehicles strengths. All the really good players left at 6.0 and now everything is super accurate. I think it's a good thing. Makes people think twice about where they're taking their lightly armoured tanks

[solar crag]

I know, still, if you don't like something and complain about it don't support it by playing it😅

That's why I don't play coldwar

[autumn zinc]

I don't play my wiesel though like that

hell only reason it has 100 battles cause platoon mates

[rain socket]

That is true but its not a excuse for us to tolerate this thing why you wont accept it?

[autumn zinc]

not because it was broken with 35m of camo trust

[uneven oxide]

Excuses, excuses just admit you secretly love it

[solar crag]

Yeah you would think that, but I feel that I have so many games where I am the only one playing and my team is just picnicking in base😅😂 just all scared and not really competent

[uneven oxide]

This is t249 thread

[autumn zinc]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

look the t249 is broken so is the wiesel

[rain socket]

I agree

[autumn zinc]

but

the 249

[solar crag]

So you had to play it? Did they stick a gun to your had and told you you have to play it?😂

[autumn zinc]

can actually be usless in certain match ups

[autumn zinc]

yeah pretty much they know where I live

[uneven oxide]

Let's agree to disagree on the Wiesel, this thing is slightly broken. But it's the bots masquerading as players where the true problem lies

[autumn zinc]

I argee

[solar crag]

Ahhh😂 alright

[autumn zinc]

those bots got aim bot dude

[rain socket]

Wiesel is slightly broken?

Im sorry isnt broken broken?

[uneven oxide]

No

The t249

This is the t249 thread

[autumn zinc]

there broken and there's op

the 249 is broken

cause it either be the bane or your existence

or just entirely usless

[uneven oxide]

They are both very situational tanks. And a good player can exploit that

In the hands of most of the playerbase. They are both rubbish

[rain socket]

If you think about it its exactly this sort of thinking in the player base that allows wg to get away with tanks like t249 and wiesel and taran and etc etc
We dont need to adopt people all we need to do is to have standards and dont buy these tanks 2 years in this discord what some call broken others call only op and some wont even acknowledge the issue

Wg literally a
Out classed every tt light tanks in the game
With t 249 and people call to adopt to it
Hoe if you are light tank player

The vigilante will 100% outsopt any light tank in the gamr

Do we expect player base to suddenly become 60% winrate super unicums?

[uneven oxide]

The t100 Lt destroys them for fun

[rain socket]

If it can catch them while reloading

[uneven oxide]

Keep your front at them, drive straight at them

Even if its firing at your front

Skill issue

Comes down to setups and commander skills

[rain socket]

See this is why i say you have no standards why do you comeup with solutions to wgs mistake assume every one sold all their lights tanks in tier 10 and only play t100lt

Is that right?for the game health

For fair play and general fun

Ofc its not

[autumn zinc]

ngl imma see myself out at this point

[uneven oxide]

Adapt or die, WG is a multimillion pound company. I'm sure they know what's healthy for the game and their balance books

[autumn zinc]

yall are 2 brick walls at this point

[rain socket]

Even if you even play t100 lt and make slightest error and t249 catches your side even at angle you are dead

[uneven oxide]

Skill issue

Light tanks shouldn't be fighting each other anyway, primary job is to spot

I just provided a solution

T100 Lt yolo against a t249 the t100 is winning unless they are clueless

[rain socket]

Br honest are you so arrogant that you cant see plain truth
Or you are trying to troll me?

[uneven oxide]

I'm not trolling at all. I don't have any issue with any of the new tanks....just seems to me to be whingers who don't like change

[rain socket]

You lack the ability to see problems from other players perspective

[uneven oxide]

If the t249 is alive endgame then it's a monster

[uneven oxide]

Those players need to improve

[rain socket]

Its all good and well that you dont have any issues with the new tanks and decpite the heated argument between us i am genuinely happy that you do enjoy yur time in the game

But even if thats true you are just pooring salt on their wounds

[uneven oxide]

I'm sick of people crying, here's an idea 💡 just give everybody the same tank and let them fight. Everything can pen everything and the game has no variety

People need to learn, what is it with people crying 😢 oh that tank one shotted me, oh that tank clipped me out. Play your vehicle to its strengths and you'll be fine

[rain socket]

If a lot of people reacted negatively to the new tanks be assured they have issues its not skill issue

Dude...

[uneven oxide]

And a lot don't have an issue but there's a vocal minority who just love to complain

But you don't see those players writing essays

[rain socket]

I dont think they are all crying about it

There are some legit point of complains about these new tanks

Some may do

But not everyone

[uneven oxide]

I'll leave you all to wallow in your sadness, this place is a depressing echo chamber for whingers

[rain socket]

Great 1 final point

If you dont have any issues with new tanks

Then you wont lose anything if they get nerfed and balanced either

You literally have nothing to lose from people "crying"

[uneven oxide]

I'll get a refund as its a consumer protection law within the UK and EU, so all good with me

[rain socket]

Awesome

A good player such as you dont need spacial premium content you can be good with any vehicle

[uneven oxide]

I don't mind if they nerf the t249 at all.... I only got my Wiesel just after the camo nerf/correction, so didn't get the chance to play it with 35m camo. Thanks for your kind words and happy tanking

[rain socket]

Np

I would also say this for anyone else who will read all of this discussion

Paying customers need to keep f2p players happy because we all depend on each other
If the game loses players cuz the gap between f2p players and paying players is getting wider we all get into trouble
This will lead into longer queue times
more matches with bots
And eventually the game will die

If a free 2 play player that isnt the most skilled player and even say is 44% winrate
Is coping with the fact that he or she is bad at the game
Feels that the game itself is also making his life in the game worse and more unbearable

What would he or she do? Quit
And just like that we all suffer

[uneven oxide]

In the 'good old days' premiums were rarely as good or better as their TT counterparts and were for training crews and grinding silver. The company has moved in a different direction. But I do agree with your point you just made

[rain socket]

Thank you

Its a sad thing nobody minded kv5

[uneven oxide]

But to the company, the f2play player is worthless. Might as well put a bot in there. So maybe they're trying to entice people to spend

[rain socket]

Company is... i dont even want to talk about it they have forgotten its a pvp game

We so many bots moe is meaning less

[uneven oxide]

They've got to make money somehow, and if the TT tanks are better than premiums then nobody would spend. Its a fine balancing act

[rain socket]

Sometimes i want to scream

[uneven oxide]

Bot games shouldn't count, full stop

[rain socket]

Agreed

They can make money from tt tanks in 2 ways

First actually good skins

Secound premium status be sold for tt tanks

I love my e100

I 3 moe that thing i also got its skin

And a 3d commander spacial for that tank

People will buy cosmetics

Thats how fortnite made all its profit

And why cod has turned into a skin market

[uneven oxide]

Most of this playerbase is or was, older ex-military males I don't think they're playing for the skins and 3d commanders. But I've seen some people's garages and how much gold they've spent on that so maybe it could work

[rain socket]

Like dude have you seen the leopard 1 skin?its awful no wonder nobody bought that

[uneven oxide]

The tier 10 one..... I bought it 😳

I love it

[rain socket]

Well i liked the pc skins better

The maus pc skin is just godlike

Regardless there is always better options for making money

Sabotaging the game aint it

[uneven oxide]

I get what you are saying but the balance books don't lie. As clueless as everyone believes that WG are....they really aren't. They know exactly what they are doing. The game for me and you or the older players might be changing to something we don't like but they must be making money and attracting new younger players. Have you seen the state of WoT blitz 🤣

[zealous aurora]

[uneven oxide]

Armadillo says Hi 👋

[autumn zinc]

they don't have to give refund btw

if you read the terms and services you'd know that

[uneven oxide]

If you had any knowledge at all you'd understand you can't agree to stuff that breaks the law. The law wins every time

[zealous aurora]

The one and only time that’ll ever happen

Fv4211 and both Wiesels says hi 👋

Every premium tank with a missile says hi 👋

Probably a bunch more tanks I can’t remember too 👋

[uneven oxide]

We'll see 👀

Game changing the mechanic isn't a direct nerf

Fv4211 what was
nerfed?

[zealous aurora]

Cope all you want buddy, doesn’t change the facts that the tanks got worse

[uneven oxide]

The wiesels haven't been nerfed at all

[zealous aurora]

Bro doesn’t have a clue

[uneven oxide]

Yes you don't understand

I'm not your bro

[uneven oxide]

Speaking about yourself 🤣

[autumn zinc]

wot blitz mentioned

oh

you haven't heard of Russian wot servers

whatever is going on blitz the tanks and skins they got

got nothing on lesta

[cold sigil]

The Wiesel can't hit you for 1400 in 100m

[wild plover]

Just ram it

[last mica]

The armor

[rain socket]

It was?!

[last mica]

The cupola was nerfed.

[cold sigil]

kinda

[rain socket]

Thats a good thing i guess

[fleet sage]

i see where youre coming from, but that tank is definetely overpowered and should not belong in ww2.

[drifting zephyr]

It doesn’t belong in ww2 or cw, Or even the game

Same with the gau8

[fleet sage]

I agree but if they were bringing it, it should’ve been put in cw atleast

[drifting zephyr]

No. Don’t put even more op premium bs in Cw, once again Anti air tanks don’t belong in wot, they belong in WT

[fleet sage]

Mate i’m agreeing with you, it shouldn’t have been put in the game AT ALL. But it is and it won’t get removed, nothing you can do.

[neon bolt]

There is absolutely no chance 1v1 (light vs T249) is that balance?

[wheat robin]

Well I can see them working if they would nerf the camo, damage, accuracy and remove the bleed

[tulip briar]

There is the ability to win it, but it's unlikely at best. Luckily usually they get fired at first once spotted

[rain socket]

At least in wt there is actual aircraft to shoot

[drifting zephyr]

That’s my point

[fleet sage]

Honestly, why add an anti-aircraft vehicle into A TANK GAME? it makes no sense

they honestly need to remove it, and give all owners a new tier X premium tank in consideration of a refund. Or just a refund in general

Because in no way should it even be in the game

Don’t know what they were thinkin.

[zealous aurora]

Tanks can be anti air, anti air can be tanks. Very simple

[unreal cairn]

We already had SPAAGs in-game, and many tank guns are developed from AA guns.

[solemn tree]

IRL gatlings and autocannons are used for engaging ground and aerial vehicles, and as Joco somewhat mentioned this is not even a post WW2 thing, the German 88 was an anti-aircraft gun and the lower tier German TD known as the flakbus is an example (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pz._Sfl._IVc). I mean if I understood the recent info from the tog ii video the tank museum released, the gun on the Tog is actually a prototype made using an anti-aircraft gun.

In testing the M48 GAU-8 i believe they tested it against an M47 for another example, so the idea of using the gatling guns against armoured target was taken into account in the actual development and testing of these vehicles.

The most important thing though is balance, this is in the end is not a simulator and as much as we try to bring as much real life to the game and source from history/IRL, what matters at the end is gameplay experience. Hence the things mentioned on stream.

[fleet sage]

Thanks for the facts, but still, it would be understandable if there was aircraft to shoot, but there isn’t, and it’s overpowered

[last mica]

German 88 was an AA gun, that became a great tank killer in WW2.

[fleet sage]

thats an anti aircraft / anti tank GUN. Not specifically used to hunt aircraft but also tanks, and that is a gun not a tank, the t249 is on a tank piece

[zealous aurora]

Yup it’s on a tank, therefore making it a tank

[fleet sage]

It isn’t a tank, it’s an anti aircraft piece on a tanks hull. Not designed for destroying tanks

[fleet sage]

I can understand where you’re coming from, the sturmtiger was designed for destroying heavily fortified bases, and is still a tank destroyer, but it isn’t OP which makes it fair. Annoying? Probably, but it’s one of the most fun tanks in the game and doesn’t provide an unfair disadvantage to other tanks, which the T249 vigilante does.

[zealous aurora]

It’s a tank

[fleet sage]

It’s definetely not a tank

The T249 Vigilante was a prototype 37 mm self-propelled anti-aircraft gun designed as a replacement for the Bofors 40 mm gun in both towed and self-propelled forms in US Army service. The system consisted of a 37 mm T250 six-barrel rotary cannon mounted on a modified M113 armored personnel carrier chassis

“Anti-aircraft gun” NOT A TANK!!

[zealous aurora]

Please refer to above chart to understand that it is a tank

[fleet sage]

Please refer to the correct information above to understand that it is not a tank

Nobody agrees that it should be in the game.

Or in the way it is

[static dirge]

You two need to just pose the question to the tank god The Chieftain.

[fleet sage]

Well, what are your thoughts on it?

[static dirge]

My thoughts are you two are derailing a thread over a petty argument that could be simply solved by asking an expert or maybe even google. Not a meme chart.

[fleet sage]

And i got my information from google, the correct info, that’s the clear child who put the meme chart to prove absolutely nothing.

And then started spamming emojis on my message. Pathetic

[static dirge]

If that’s your thoughts, then don’t argue with them. Be the grownup. 🤷‍♂️

As for the tank. I see no reason why it can’t be in the game in either mode. But the way it is introduced was absolutely bad and needs reworked.

I’m also not contributing to nerf/buff/remove threads on this vehicle because people here pointed out that they said on fridays stream that they were going to send the tank off to be retested at some point soon so I’m holding my opinion till I see what they do with it.

[fleet sage]

Thanks for the information in the last paragraph, i don’t often join the streams because i don’t usually have time or im busy doing something. To know that it’s getting retested is a relief, being able to clip out 2 full health tier X’s doesn’t seem fair to me. All the best bud.

[static dirge]

Happy to spread awareness May your games today be rewarding and profitable

[tulip briar]

That gun is in most German tank, including all of the tigers

[cerulean swallow]

i think modeling and changing the tank to more closely resemble the autocannon czech lights on pc would be a happy medium as far as balance goes. just copy and paste tesak stats.

or just move it to cw era 1 and be done with it

[humble hare]

I can't say how much I hate this tank. The only words that I can use to describe it will only get me perma Ban.

[fleet sage]

And that still doesn’t make it a tank.

[fleet sage]

It needs to be at least era 2, joining its brother the GAU-8 black

it would have the same problem in era 1 because a majority of ww2 tanks are there too

[tulip briar]

If it floats your boat then so be it

[drifting zephyr]

Op premium glazer

It’s on a APC Chassis

Armored Personnel Carrier

NOT a tank

[wheat robin]

Actually it does make it a tank

[fleet sage]

No it doesn’t. Clearly none of you know nothing

[fleet sage]

Someone with a sense of knowledge here finally

[fleet sage]

It’s not a tank.

[zealous aurora]

Explain how I am?

[drifting zephyr]

You’re glazing about how “it is a tank” while we’re talking about how it’s a APC/SPAA in a TANK game

If wotc had helis, or Planes it’d belong in here

Like how the Gau8 black belongs here because it’s a M48 with a AA turret

Therefore it can’t be nearly as hidden and as fast

But why do I bother, you’re gonna stick with your mindset no matter what I say

[zealous aurora]

Are all the mods and admins glazing too? Since they all agree with me and wrote just as much as I did if not more?

[drifting zephyr]

The mods and admins work for wg, they’re gonna always support their dumb choices

[drifting zephyr]

And truthfully I agree with this guy more than anything on this statement

@zealous aurora

And Anne as far as I can see was talking about the German 88mm on the tiger1/2

On a different note, I should probably shut up because I’m gonna be a M163 Glazer when it comes out 😂🤣

[wheat robin]

Plz Google tank🤡

[humble hare]

It's crazy how many bounces that stupid tank gets

[solar crag]

This shows you how easy this tank is to play. I uploaded a review on it by playing it on the account of a friend of mine because i personally did not want to buy it. And this was the third game. The others where good as well. And the thing is I really did not need to do much, just some kind of map awareness and good timing and the gun and autoaim did the rest, great tank🤣🤣 never seen something like that in another light tank. Personally did 7k at best in rhm panzerwagen. But noooooo tank is not OP🫡🤣

[quick wagon]

My mark of excellence was at 94.8% on a lightly armored medium I’ve been working on for a while and then got yolo ape’d by t249’s two games in a row. Can’t run away. Can’t hide. Can’t fight back. Just die and rage quit 🙂

[fleet sage]

please google what the T249 vigilante is.

[fleet sage]

and it has broken armour, i’ve honestly bounced more from that than a maus

[fleet sage]

She is right, but it’s a completely different case with the T249

[drifting zephyr]

I agree

[last mica]

Tank - Not a tank.... Who cares, it just fun to play and this is just a game.

[storm wedge]

You must be a new player with sub par knowledge in game

I play light tanks at tier 10 a lot right now and marking the class has never been harder, doesn’t matter how well you conserve health when face it, your dead.

[static dirge]

Seeing as he has the forum veteran tag. He’s not a new player.

Please do not stoop to insults or else I will need to moderate.

[drifting zephyr]

@static dirge all due respect, he has a point on Lights.

[static dirge]

I am only only referring to this comment.

#1325748877214748683 message

as it can easily spark an issue that requires moderation.

I’m not interested in the debate as a whole

[drifting zephyr]

Alrighty, I didn’t know 🍻

[fleet sage]

How do you get it? i’ve been in service for 10 years.

Search my account up if you don’t believe me. p39c.

[static dirge]

You need to actually have been in the forums back when they were active to get it. And you would need to message KB to request the tag and she would confirm if your account is eligible.

I am eligible too but I don’t really care enough about tags to care. Just some people view it as a badge of veteranship. much like the beta tester tag.

[wheat robin]

Aa (tank)

[fleet sage]

It’s on an APC hull not a tank

[fleet sage]

I’ll message KB and find out 👍

[wheat robin]

Then why have Bradleys in the game

Plz Google the word tank

U might learn something

[drifting zephyr]

M113s are APCS M2s are IFVs and M3s are CFV (Armored personnel carrier) (Infantry Fighting vehicle) and (Calvary Fighting Vehicle)

Please look up what each Vehicle is designated as before grouping all of them together as “Tanks”

[wheat robin]

A Bradley is a APC and he said that the 249 is on a APC hull and not counted as a tank yet a tank is a vehicle armored with a gun and tracks and when u Google the 249 is says it's not normal tank due it meant to be a aa but still fits the class technically

[storm wedge]

Sorry I forgot it’s 2025, only reason I used such verbiage is because he’s acting nonchalant about the tank that has ruined light tanks forever. All I play is tier 10 light and even when you outplay this tank and line up a shot you bounce😂 not to mention the second your spotted you better run because she’s coming with 4800dmg clip potential and the best scout and concealment numbers in the game! Nothing escapes the blacks wrath, not even ebr 105

[drifting zephyr]

But when sources on the T249 say it’s not a tank vs a widespread definition..? I’d probably go with the fact that it’s a Tracked AA or SPAA

Not a Full “Tank”

[humble hare]

Doesn't matter what it is. It's bad for the game

[humble hare]

It's a bad design. Made to do damage to heavies but it obliterates everything with medium to no armor

It'll probably take a Gsor a minute and a half to kill the t249

[fleet sage]

And the it would take the T249 less than a second to kill the gsor 😂 that tank is a joke

[cobalt garnet]

WW2 balance update drops

• Still no T249 nerf

[drifting zephyr]

Cw balance drops, No ELC and WIESEL ram dmg fix

[rain socket]

😦

[dense sapphire]

@fresh schooner said it was "working as intended" when I made a post with video proof I forget who also submitted a video of a wiesel mk1 surviving being hit by wz 1224 in a perfect t-bone collision while going 70 🤢🤮🤮🤮

[rain socket]

Idk why max always dodge giving a straight answer

[drifting zephyr]

He works for wg, he’s gonna be like em

[wheat robin]

Me and one of my friends was messing around and at that speed hitting something that small only doing 200 doesn't seem right

[last mica]

So, what I'm seeing is the M113 needs more armor. That way it can do more ram damage... 🤔 🤔 🤔

[wheat robin]

Plz read what I was replying to and see the clip again

[cobalt garnet]

That is not the T249

So not relevant to this thread

[plush wadi]

M113 is not that heavy

[wheat robin]

Still should have done more than 200

Especially that speed

[wheat robin]

Wow I never noticed that especially to what I what I replying to

[drifting zephyr]

It’s a Air transportable Aluminum Everything APC, it’s not gonna ram good

[wheat robin]

True but also given at the speed I was going it should have done more

[drifting zephyr]

Sadly you can run over a Old Small 100% steel Tractor with a Case Quadtrack and the small tractor is still gonna be ok

[dense sapphire]

Its more like a small sedan getting run over by an f350

Elc is around 7.3 tons
(168 total horse power/23.01 Horsepower per ton=total weight)
Vads is 12.2 tons
(212 horsepower/17.38 Horsepower per ton=total weight)

[drifting zephyr]

In that case the F350 would break its frame, and The powerstroke wouldn’t start to “ram” the sedan

[dense sapphire]

Point being these new cockroach tanks have a misrepresented damage model when it comes to getting to rammed

[drifting zephyr]

Oh yeah, ik. It’s just that would allow ppl to yolo and ram big tanks with the M163

[dense sapphire]

It would still lose out due to massive weight disparity but thats another thread and @fresh schooner told me elc and wiesel ram damage was "wOrKInG aS InTenDed"🥴

[echo ice]

WG ... how long will it take you to nerf the t249? are you waiting for christmas?

[static dirge]

#1308839648444944445 message

at this point its even out of the devs hands. they're stuck waiting like we are.

[rain socket]

For what

[static dirge]

Did you not click the message link…

[white radish]

stop excusing them pls if they would not bring out broken tanks there would be no need for letting stuff get checked by legal team.
I bet we will get a new broken TD in the near future again and they will lie to your face again and say we did not know it was this strong.

[static dirge]

I’m merely addressing the impatience or thought that WG have abandoned nerfing the vehicle with info provided last week that many people seemed to have missed. And whether you like it or not they are in fact having to wait on their legal team.

I’m also going to kindly ask that you refrain from blind accusations of “defending them.” I provided info as a mod. Nothing more. And I can absolutely assure you that the post I linked to ALSO has my personal 👎 to the addition to the tank as a player of this game.

[vestal delta]

Its super balanced lmfao

[grim compass]

Is T49 A Deception??

[rain socket]

How am i to find my answer in that maze!

[static dirge]

The link is directly to the message….

That’s why it’s called a message link…

[rain socket]

Wait a min

[grim compass]

[rain socket]

It shows me a massage from cheese saying its worth it cuz you can hunt and kill arty faster and giving your team a breather

I think you click the link and it takes you to where you last was looking in that thread

I click it and it takes me to the last place i was looking

[static dirge]

No it doesn’t. The link brings you to ltr1000s message and puts it at the top of your screen.

It’s not broken. I’ve tested it multiple times just now

[rain socket]

Dude im not stupid 😦

[static dirge]

Never said you were. But I know how it works and I know it’s working

[rain socket]

I swear to god it takes me to 🧀 and his hate for arty which i share

[static dirge]

Same thing. Every time. And I know that’s not my last checked location in that thread

[rain socket]

I swear im not lying
For what ever reason it didnt take me there 😦

Why would they even put op tanks in the game if they have to write a legal document for nerfing it

There must be a law for bamancing their game they can use 😦

[static dirge]

🤷‍♂️ i dont know what to tell you. Ive shared the same link around and everyone has been brought to the same message

[rain socket]

Might it be loading speed?
My internet is slow and slower yet cuz i have to use vpn

And when i mean slow
Sub 7mbps slow

[last mica]

They have made the changes, they are simply waiting on the legal part to make sure it can be done before implementing it.. It was in the stream on Friday.

[rain socket]

When you think about it
The fact they cant control the content in their game is ridiculous
I mean technically they can but i dont think there should be any laws for premium content...

[last mica]

I would agree. They should simply put it out, if you buy a premium tank. Wg reserves the right to make changes at anytime. If players don't like it, then they don't have to buy the tank. This way they know ahead of time.

[rain socket]

Exactly

[real rose]

They can readily roll out the armor model while legal reviews the gun changes. The armor model is clearly wrong. Yes, you can say the same thing about the gun, but gun changes affect the bonus directly if that's why someone purchased the tank.

[autumn zinc]

we getting a refund

[rain socket]

I hope you dont as a lesson of not trying to abuse op content
I blame users more than the wg

They sell what sells

[autumn zinc]

there is no lesson be be learned here

other than wg only listens if everyone hounds them enough

[foggy temple]

Hey everyone refund your T249 blacks, it’s 100% worth it right now get your gold back and get something else

[covert pebble]

The only way to fix the T249 dilemma is to move it to Era 2 and adjust it to be competitive there. Until this happens tier 8 to 10 lights, half of mediums and TDs will Ba Ba Ba Be BRRRRTtt Gone in .5 sec and a huge disadvantage to play. This t249 tank has ruined tier 8-10 and will continue to after the nerf.

[drifting zephyr]

Okay first Shush, It just needs to be removed entirely

[covert pebble]

Ok bro?

[plush wadi]

You confusing “ruined” with “fixed”

[storm wedge]

If everyone went on strike till they remove the tank they would have no choice but to remove it

[autumn zinc]

boycott

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-instinct-goku-minor-spelling-mistake-aura-gif-535268994186034537

[rain socket]

😐

[tall gazelle]

I bought my T249 with the gold I collected from the boxes from the long-haul missions and I didn't spend anything except my time spent on more battles. But there are those who first had to buy gold by spending money on a package of, for example, rwo packs 6500+3000 gold pieces, just to buy this specific tank. What's the point of returning the gold they spent now? Let them return the money they spent!!! Why not?

[plush wadi]

Because they bought the gold with real money, not the tank

[tall gazelle]

But you probably understand that WG is smart and all new OP premium tanks can only be bought for gold, which you first have to buy for money. Otherwise many would apply for a refund. And that's how they've already caught a customer. Only old and uncaring premium vehicles like KV5 are sold at ridiculously inflated prices in packages for money, because there's nothing to nerf there anymore XD At best, after the changes to these OP premium vehicles, they can only offer a refund of gold. Which I consider to be cheating customers who spend money on an unnecessary expense and playing with other players who have to struggle with such exaggerated premium vehicles in many battles for several months.

[dense sapphire]

1. I get your point but that would just mean as soon as an op tank got nerfed or changed in the slightest you could get your money back which tanks the business model
2. Legally they never take from you when you get refunded gold pretty sure it's in contract you sign to play the game. Once you give them your money it's their's
3. Stop falling for microtransactions and simping for stuff that's blatantly op(I get you got it with earned gold but still you knew it was completely broken)
4. I don't think any of you deserve refunds especially if you played it in multiplayer

[autumn zinc]

I should refund mine out of spite and buy the next broken tank @dense sapphire

nah

[dense sapphire]

Then you're part of the problem in this game....

[autumn zinc]

rent free in ya head we refunders will be

[dense sapphire]

Why is your aim in playing a game to be as cancerous as possible?

[autumn zinc]

interesting statement

I don't main artillery though

[dense sapphire]

Ok so we agree arty players are lukewarm dogwater but why do you think t249 is ok or you deserve a refund???

[autumn zinc]

vigilante was never okay

also wg doesn't have to give refunds btw

[dense sapphire]

No it wasn't ok but here you are whining about getting a refund and buying next thing to be just as toxic....🤡
None of you deserve refunds if you played it in multiplayer

[autumn zinc]

oh but I never did whine about getting a refund my boy

if anything i was joking about refunding it lmao the thing is still broken as heck

but now seeing you makes me really want to refund it

[dense sapphire]

Nerfed and still broken the devs really out did themselves 🙃

[autumn zinc]

yeah pretty much

[dense sapphire]

Cant believe it made it out of testing. Supertesters must just be lapdogs

[autumn zinc]

they don't really get a say lmao

they usually get ignored my wg

[dense sapphire]

Then why have them at all....
Oh I know use them as a excuse and flimsy shield for the phrase "we tested it"😒

[rain socket]

So let me get this straight wg can nerf premium tanks so long so they are sold only with gold?
What about chests?

[tall gazelle]

If you bought such a premium vehicle in a store, whether it's the Ms Store or the Playstarion store, after such negative changes you could demand a refund for damaged goods and that without asking WG. So WG cleverly figured out that players buy gold the most. WG doesn't do anything with the gold... The player pays for goods with gold, not money. Thanks to such a trick, they can freely change the parameters of a product that they probably consciously introduced to the store and tested before introducing? I claim that this is why such vehicles are available in the store for NEW players (P2W), to convince them to spend quite large amounts. Recently, even abstract amounts for one element in the game. And then they weaken such an OP vehicle when free to play players start crying. Only I don't understand the last issue with the T249 at all. At low tiers there are magazines or troll guns per shot that destroy many vehicles. And they don't even require 1/4 of the skills that were needed to get cosmic results on the T249. And as for the crates. XBOX players bought cheap gold packages via VPN. Having a few hundred premium tanks, it was very easy to get a full refund. Unless the store had a sale on that vehicle, then they gave it away at that promotional price. Snake crates no longer give premium vehicles, and even if they did, you won't get a refund because you'd first have to have all the vehicles from the snake season crates. And there could be new vehicles there... So at most you'll get a premium vehicle somehow... And that's the point with crates.

[fleet kindle]

as false as it can get.
EULA states wg can do whatever it wants with their tanks, premium or not, as you're not buying the tank - you're buying the license to play it.
They have to offer a refund based on some countries law.
But they can do whatever they want with them.
Console store or in game store bought doesn't matter - it's their tanks.

I don't see you asking for a refund when premium tanks get buffed, even though it applies to the same logic - its not the product that was advertised. 😁

[tall gazelle]

Do you consider acting with premeditation to the detriment of your customers to be fair play behavior? If a tank is changed for the better, what does the player lose? So there is no reason to pay compensation. If a new vehicle is destroyed, do you consider it fair? If you don't see the difference... well, I'm sorry because it seems that corporations already have you in their hands and can do with such customers whatever they consider good for themselves and not the customers. Only such actions are shortsighted. By offering a product and then changing it, WG loses twice. It discourages players who in their opinion do not like the vehicle too much and are unable to cope with it, and it also discourages players who bought such a vehicle because they liked it, played well with it and then it is taken away from them. Because after the changes it is a completely different product, so a refund is due. And this is a refund of gold for the gold spent and the money spent on buying this vehicle for gold. Here is the problem - lack of respect for both groups of players. Planned action to the detriment of both groups in order to obtain funds. Or introducing such vehicles without proper testing... And I seriously don't know what's worse.

[fleet kindle]

I think if a product released, in any game, ruins the gameplay because it's broken - it needs to be balanced to make the playing field even. The players
who bought the tank bought it because it was broken, that's why they performed well in it. It doesn't require much skill to be good with it as you delete any tank in the game in less than 3 seconds.

If you wsnt money refunded for the tank you need to go through the chain:

1. Request wg for a gold refund for the tank
2. Request refund for the money spent on gold , and have the gold balance present on your account so it can be deducted

[tall gazelle]

I fully agree that if a vehicle (or other product) has flaws in its parameters that accidentally crept in during the production of the item, it should be repaired as soon as possible. But in the case of the T249 (and many other similar OP vehicles), the very idea of ​​such a vehicle in World War II is wrong. It was immediately possible to predict what this vehicle would do to others if it penetrated their armor. And there is nothing to repair here. After the first wave of NERF, the T249 still destroys one weakly armored tier 10 per magazine - that is, only 130 shells, the 192 trailer. However, it is not true that the T249 with a penetration of 75 mm destroyed every vehicle in 3 seconds. Provided that the player skillfully ran over an armored vehicle with armor below 70 mm at the back. From auto-aiming, every paper (up to 50 mm of straight armor) vehicle without a hard turret. But it was also unable to do anything to many vehicles except minor damage. As for refunds. You say that there is a possibility of getting the money back? So far, everyone has only talked about getting the gold back. If there really is such a possibility, it is very good news for those who had to buy gold first. I wonder how many players received information by email about the path you describe. I know individually that with WG's help, you can come to an agreement and they are very helpful in matters related to the gold spent or a refund for a changed vehicle. But a refund? That's something new. And awesome news.

[fleet kindle]

You'll have to contact customer support for the full policy, as restrictions may apply due to the time passed since moment of purchase and money refund request

[rain socket]

Wg even refunded me once on a boundle of type 80 premium era 2 and type 59d i had even played them for 5 games eqch
Wg did refund me which i liked

[fleet kindle]

Any premium bought is refundable if both below conditions are met:

1. You have 5 games or less played with it
2. It has been 7 days or less since moment of purchase

[rain socket]

Its so good you get to play them and if they are not a good tank for you you get to refund the gold value

[fleet kindle]

Yes sir, personally I believe a renting system where you play vs bots that awards nothing - silver or xp, would be better to try out tanks before committing to buy it