Maus on track

[molten fox]

Tier IX
-turret armor buff
-cupola buff
-dpm buff

Tier X Maus

• frontal turret armor buff ( 280mm as suggested in the reply or more would be welcomed )
• dpm buff or change 490 dmg to 530 or 560

Maus even with your dream angle in the actual game it gets penned in the frontal turret by any e4 e3 t58 heavy and any 340+ tanks. Meaning 2/3 of the enemy team.
And while you do 490 every 10 sec you get 850 every 13 sec

Please consider giving some love to the Maus

[stray pasture]

The damage is fine on the t10 but I just want a dpm buff

[molten fox]

Ye I would prefer the dpm being better

[brazen swan]

only agree with maus. mäuschen is alright

it’s maus in t9, just little bit worse armor

maybe small hp buff when there is 850 difference between those tanks

[molten fox]

Would be nice ye

[mighty nymph]

I want them to give the Maus the 17cm cannon that it was planned to receive in WWII.

[molten fox]

Na i don’t think it would be nice for it. Maybe a td a bit like the Jpz e100 but not with a mobile turret

[brave juniper]

I would really like to see it with a similar gun to the WT E100... 12.8 cm gun with actual dmg potential (560 alpha), decent pen and perhaps a reload of 10.5 seconds... i feel like 3.2k DPM would be enough to let this beut shine again

[molten fox]

I really would like it to but I think they don’t want to do that cause it would ruin the purpose of the Pz VII

[brave juniper]

True, but let’s not forget that the Pz7 still has a much muuuch better mobility

[molten fox]

Very true ! So maybe we can expect to see this gun changes on the Maus

[mighty nymph]

So you don't like the idea of a historically accurate improvement? Got it.

[stray pasture]

It doesn't need a bigger gun and if u wanna be more historical accurate then the e100 needs change and many other tanks but all it needs is a faster reload and slightly better armor on the turret cheeks

[fervent agate]

I don't think the gun needs a buff, maybe 530 DPS, but that's not the problem, it's not very good but ok for a super heavy tank. But its turret armor is not super heavy, which makes it as ridiculous and useless as a big bunker with a big cardboard door, it's a shame its hull armor is good but no one needs to shoot it.

Just 260/210/210 -> 280/220/220

or increase the rotation speed to be able to angle it much faster after the shot

[stray pasture]

Armor yes but the gun has very low dpm but yet the e100 gets the same exact gun but the reload is faster for it for some reason

[molten fox]

280/220/220 I like that it would be so nice.
The gun 530 with the same reload time or just a faster reload time for 490 would be appreciated but ye the turret buff in the actual game circumstances would be really appreciated

[molten fox]

Agree

[cunning timber]

[fervent agate]

the maus has a worse gun than the e100 because it should have a much higher survivability than it and with a good gun in addition it might be a bit too much. the only problem for me is that it has a worse gun but in addition it is not even better armored the tank would still be useless with a better gun but the same armor but it would be enough to improve its turret armor to make it better even with the same gun at least it could survive a few gold shells in sidescrap. the bad dpm is there to balance its long survivability but unfortunately it does not have it to use it all game if it had it it would be enough.

I think this because when the team in front of me does not use too many gold shells the armor works and I end the game with a lot of damage if it seems to do little it is just because now it only survives very little time in the front line so its bad dpm is seen much more than it should. by being strong enough to survive longer his average damage will be better in the long run without even touching the weapon and with a better weapon he might be too strong.

It's only the turret that ruins the tank because ALL medium tanks can penetrate it with gold regardless of its position.

[stray pasture]

The survivability it much worse than a e100 and dpm makes up a lot in the game

[floral solstice]

Super heavy=gold magnet=
No fun +arty firing gold with top down view magic shell physics=really no fun

As someone who was really excited for super heavies it was a big let down. Especially when I got maus avre got added🥲🥲🥲

[fervent agate]

yes currently its survivability is less good than that of the E100 but it would only be enough to improve its armor so that it becomes a tank usable in sidescrap. before it had a gun less good than today's but as it survived longer the tank was still much better unfortunately today the players just all play full gold so it is necessary to readapt the armor of the tank accordingly not necessarily its gun because its role should not be to inflict damage quickly but to stay alive as long as possible to take the hits in place of the others and to inflict damage over a long period even if the dpm is low the tank will be good if it survives long enough unfortunately today you are right this is not the case this is what makes the tank bad but it is not really because of its gun but of the game which does not give any chance to the role of the super heavy tank.

[stray pasture]

The tank is rear mounted to it has more weakness compared to most heavys and yes sidescraping helps but just not enough help so I suggest a dpm buff so it can actually hold it's ground

[fervent agate]

today sidescraping doesn't help because everyone shoots in their catastrophic turret the 705A has a turret at the rear and is much stronger while it has a DPM barely higher than the maus in its current state I agree with you it would be necessary to improve its gun but it would be necessary to improve its armor as a priority and if it gets this buff see later if it is also necessary to improve its gun because having a good gun + good armor would probably be OP imagine if the obj 705A had a better gun it would probably be a little too strong.

but 530 dmg would be good

[stray pasture]

I mean the problem with rear mounted tanks the engine and if u shoot he right below the gun u'll set it on fire and with the way the 705a is set it it gets a 152mm with a higher dpm with 2,230 with a 650 alpha and isn't bad but while the maus is 490 while sitting 2,029 dpm and both are stock with the same weaknesses besides the 705a like u said as a better turret but it has other weak spots that counter it

Both are in a good spot but the maus needs a bit more turret armor and the same reload as the e100 stock gun

[fervent agate]

yep I think what would be good would be to have the same armor model as the tiger maus on pc that is to say the flat part of the turret at 280 and the rest at 260 so that it remains penetrable but not as easily as today

the turret would still be penetrable but not by shooting anywhere on it.

[molten fox]

280 and 260, quite nice tbh like that tier 8 that knows how to aim properly would still be able to pen it but autolockers would bounce

[mighty nymph]

How about Wargaming just gets rid of gold rounds all together?

[stray pasture]

That would be making the maus worse due to lack of dpm and low pen for standard while some tanks u need high pen to even to do something

[fervent agate]

the best for gold would be a damage reduction.

[cunning timber]

Yall still pay Gold for premium rounds?

[cunning timber]

No, that would just kill the Maus even more

246 AP is practically useless at tier 10 & it already has abysmal DPM

Meanwhile TDs like the V5 would be literally unaffected, they get 303AP, even if firing standard was the higher DPM option they have enough pen that it's worth it

[stray pasture]

Some t10 would be impossible to pen with it like a 268 4 or something with a lot of armor

[cunning timber]

Exactly, plus it'd make fighting tier 10s in 8s even more painful

What do you MEAN

[molten fox]

I think just a frontal armor buff like 280 to let tier 8 be able to fight against it and a dpm buff would be nice

[cunning timber]

280 turret front

240 upper front plate

1s reload buff

Still manageable to fight

Has higher survivability than the E100 while still having a worse gun

[stray pasture]

@cunning timber it's the same gun as the e100 so it needs the same reload and 1 second will not make it better

Dpm makes a big difference in tanks and the e100 is pretty much a lot better

Or u might as well play a type 5

[graceful shore]

The e100 starts with the same gun but it gets a better one later

[cunning timber]

Same gun different stats

Halfing the difference in reload between the 12.8 cm on the Maus & the 12.8cm on the E100 will help the Maus

The whole reason the Maus and E100 both exist in the game is to have one as an armor/gun tradeoff over the other

Maus is supposed to have more survivability and the E100 it supposed to have more mobility and better guns. It's important to remember that

[molten fox]

Even if the dpm is not as good as the e100 as long as you have a better turret armor to be able to bounce some shell times to times while you shoot would be enough to put the tank back in the game

[fervent agate]

LOL

[stray pasture]

Even with a armor buff it will still have the same weaknesses and e100 will still be better due to dpm

Premium will still pen because if the buff is 280 like wanting the it should go up to 300-303 as the picture says above and most premium rounds are a lot higher

And will pen

And when angled it go higher but when he below the gun it will set it on fire most of the time and if u don't do that then it's a easy trade off on dpm with normal tanks like is7/4 or others

Due to higher dpm

[brave juniper]

In my opinion, the frontal part of the turret should be penetrable only by TD with 350mm of pen or higher. This tank suffers already enough by a more than just low mobility, and it has only its armor to rely on. The turret, in my opinion should be reliable and not only when angled; with 280mm of armor, a leopard 1 shooting prem at 500+ mt, will still be albe to reliably penetrate the frontal turret with almost every shot...

The turret of this beast should be almost entirely safe in the front and still sturdy enough on the side and back to cause problems to people aiming without paying too much attention. Considering that big HE gun, arty, light and medium fast enough to outrun the turret and generally poor mobility will still be the damnation of this tank, I believe that the turret should be made really strong enough to be reliable.

And I know it should not be on this post, but the Type 5 should receive a very similar buff

[molten fox]

Ye I kinda find that pretty annoying when you angle properly but a tank with 350 can still pen the front turret on the bottom of the round part while you was perfectly angling

[fervent agate]

and when you angle your turret you can't shoot.

[cunning timber]

That's a TD problem not really a Maus problem

Not that it matters anyway, the Maus is pretty much a bottom feeder and will remain so

[molten fox]

Not really td tbh
I expect td to pen it but is more when you are bullying a 277 or e5 or is4 any type of other tank even when you well angle the turret they still pen it on the bottom of the round part of the turret…
Is like you cannot do what you should be doing even when you are doing it properly

Same as it got penned multiple times by a 257 at the same place but it was correctly angled

[stray pasture]

Most heavys get 340 premium/close to it or higher

[cunning timber]

Yeah but you can angle against 340 pen, I'm pretty sure 340 HEAT is the highest tier 10 heavy pen anyways

[molten fox]

T58 has 370 I think needs to be check I’m not sure
340 can still pen it anything above 320-330 in perfect angle can still pen it and if it is in face hug with 300 they can pen the lower of the round part of the turret

[brave juniper]

Not in the maus you cannot... i've tried 😂

[fervent agate]

at a perfect angle the maximum armor of the front of the turret of the maus is 350mm above the side armor becomes too exposed it is enough to block the shells on paper but in reality you will very rarely be in a perfect position relative to the enemy especially if you want to shoot in this case any tank with + 275mm of penetration can penetrate you easily a perfect turret angle can indeed block most of the shells but it forces you to look at the sky the whole game assuming you are always perfectly positioned facing the 340mm heat shells which will penetrate if you make the slightest movement towards them or if you angle the turret slightly too much on the side

[molten fox]

Ye agree and if you take in consideration tanks being lower than you in face hug for exemple they will be able to pen the lower part of the frontal turret even in perfect angle

[stray pasture]

Anything at 310 or higher is plenty and if it does angle then just use he and set it on fire

[cunning timber]

Trust me I of all people am well aware of the Maus' flaws

340 pen is not hard to manage

HE needs a rework (or our equipment does at least 🙄)

TDs tear it apart

But other heavies it can block

[stray pasture]

Heavys bully it to

Like e5,is7/4, type 5,pz7, super and a lot others but that's due to dpm

The maus armor is good when angled but u still have to shoot and risk exposing cheeks

So it either he and risk set on fire or take 400-500 to the face and some times more depending the heavy

With higher dpm

[cunning timber]

The point is the Maus has been powercrept into oblivion

Can we agree on that?

[vapid sentinel]

Are we getting a Mouse on track now ?

[cunning timber]

No, and we probably never will

It'd be a reforged anyway if its buffs

[molten fox]

We hope and it could happen to be honest. After the E100 type 5 and Pz VII it is possible to have it buffed

[molten fox]

I hope for the reforge then. Your tank would be bigger and stronger

[cunning timber]

Hey I've been asking for a Maus buff for years, but it's not happening

[fervent agate]

I have never seen any player ideas implemented by developers which is why I am not putting any more money into this game.

unfortunately this topic like all the others is useless they will do what they want

[brave juniper]

I’ve drained one today from full health with the 780…

[molten fox]

Maybe this time who knows 🤷🏻‍♂️
We have seen some people talking about it recently and a bit more people are playing it we can hope for all us Maus’s fan 😁

[molten fox]

He rework would be nice Maus getting on fire and crew killed by he is pretty insane

[cunning timber]

It would be really really nice

But it's not underperforming enough to get a buff

[hybrid igloo]

Sounds terrifying. Let’s do it

[molten fox]

Lately we have seen more people playing it and most of them wasn’t doing great maybe that will be seen in the stats

[cunning timber]

Nope, the mark requirements have actually gone up slightly

1 mark used to be about 2800

Now it's over 3.1k

[stray pasture]

Still not very good lol

[cunning timber]

No obviously, but if WG weren't going to buff it when it was performing worse then why would they buff it now?

33% survival rate is nuts

[molten fox]

They buffed the e75 and tiger II as well as the king tiger when it was performing better than the tiger II
They probably will do that with the Maus to

[cunning timber]

The Maus recieved a buff years ago, and statistically it's on par with the E100

[stray pasture]

E100 is better in every way

Especially in dpm

[cunning timber]

I know

But they're performing very similarly

[stray pasture]

If they buff the cheeks to 280 and reload as the same as the e100 because (it's the same gun) then it should be fine

[cunning timber]

Probably, but it's WG & they hate the Maus

[molten fox]

Listen to this wargaming ! Please

[brave juniper]

Well, the tank is on track with no buffs... great job WG

[cunning timber]

[brave juniper]

@wary niche please mate, i know that this is not solemnly your decision, but since the Maus is on tracks, is there hope for a rework on the line?

[wary niche]

That line has already been fully reworked.

[brave juniper]

But the main issue being the relatively weak front turret armor is still very present nowadays... the tank is extremely slow and that make only sense, but the turret is unreliable at best and ridiculous in most occasions. An armor buff on the turret is needed

[cunning timber]

It's been powercrept since then, the little TD crisis we had going just turned it into a chew toy that couldn't fight back against half of them

[brave juniper]

The line has been reforged on November 2022...much has changed since then...

[stray pasture]

Doesn't mean it's good

[cunning timber]

Didn't the E100 get a buff a good while after it's reforge too?

[stray pasture]

I believe it did and it's decent

Much better than the maus to

Better mobility and dpm and pretty much the same armor as the maus now

[cunning timber]

Damn, that's nuts

[molten fox]

Then do it again please. We’re the few who plays it and plays the game continuously, please at least buff the turret for 270 or 280 🥺

[fervent agate]

Are you too proud or too lazy to look at something you did 3 years ago ?

[brave juniper]

@wary niche The reality is that the maus as a tech tree tank is now just a sponge for damage, that can be penned by most big TDs standard round and practically all premium rounds at tier X, while tanks like the IS7, IS4, Leman Russ, Rogal Dorn (and many more) can be reliably penned only with premium (and in the case of Rogal Dorn and Leman Russ it's even challenging with premium rounds). We all get it, you don't want to make a tech tree tank op and unbalanced, but the turret on the Maus screams for for a buff to make this tank barely competitive and not another memorabilia to collect dust in the garage... please mate, the whole veteran comunity is asking for this, not only few players...

[cunning timber]

Maus' biggest issue isn't what can pen it. It's what it can't defend against

[wary niche]

We already did a follow up on all WWII tanks and they are still performing well since the changes. We spent 3 or 4 updates going through all of WWII and are have been doing Cold War tanks for the last 2 or 3 updates.

[fervent agate]

Hello thanks for your answer however performance monitoring is not really understood on the battlefield the point of view between players and developers is very different. the statistics of the maus are indeed correct as are those of the centurion AVRE for example as a developer everything is fine but as a player when 1 game out of 2 your tank suffers 100% penetrating shots with gold on its huge turret or another supposedly balanced tank can destroy any tier 8 in a single shot and also easily end up with +5K damage it is normal to ask questions. in reality the maus is a good tank that catches up its stats against normal players but against players like me who have accumulated enough money to only shoot gold shells until the end of my days this tank is completely unplayable you can't even look at your target with this turret it's absolutely ridiculous...

in any case even if your curves tell you the opposite when so many players agree on a subject it can be good to try something even if it means going back later. it would be enough to simply increase the rotation speed of the turret to facilitate its positioning or give 20mm of additional armor it will not break the game and it will be better received than an answer as simple as the one you gave at the beginning because it was as bad message as mine in suggesting that our suggestions are useless.

[stone aspen]

On paper sure, but when in practice, nah most WWII tanks struggle to do the same as the newer tanks the mobility of hull and turret is one major thing that is not covered by paper, as most WWII tanks are not as agile as newer tanks. And btw some of the WWII lines are 1960s at tier 8 yet face 1940s tanks tier 8 tanks. So it's easy to see the issue with game. Also new player experience will just use the new tanks old tank line don't matter

[cunning timber]

If all WW2 tanks have been deemed to be performing well then your method of reviewing them needs to change. There are vehicles underperforming even though it doesn't look like it

[molten fox]

The stats says that the Maus is performing ok and not well cause only experimented players play the Maus while sorry for the term but idk another one ( English is not my first language) newbies or average and below average just get farmed like hell in the Maus and stop playing it to play is7 e4 and premium tanks.
When the 3D skin in the winter fest was on and a lot of new/ average/ below average players played it I can bet that the stats at this time on the Maus was -> underperforming.
I’m not saying you guys don’t want to look at it or what and I understand that for the moment you are looking at cw balanced but in a near future when you’ll look back at ww2 tanks the Maus really needs a buff on its turret armor for 275-280 at the least and maybe a dpm buff cause in this state of the game it gets either derp for 500-600 or penned even well angled by all the 340 and plus premium pen and if not well angle it gets shredded by anything.
I understand you have stuff to do but please 🙏🏻 🥺

[mighty nymph]

Have you done a follow-up to your stuff up with the war chests and rewards programme? Or are you too busy alienating and pissing off your customers?

[lusty hill]

Considering the tiger maus will most likely have 300mm of frontal turret armor, like pc does. The tiger maus will have thicker turret cheeks than the tier 10 maus AND more alpha 😂😂😂

Another fun fact..... it will only have a 1 second longer reload for a extra 40 alpha..... and a tier lower

Which is MORE dpm

Crazy

[silver palm]

The turret cheeks on the Maus are pretty weak. It really is one of those tanks that is fun to play occasionally but is feared by nobody that knows its weakness. It is sloth slow and it should have crazy cheek turret armor to go with that weight. This tank shouldn’t be such an easy kill.

[fervent agate]

Yes, a tank with a good turret and a bad hull can get away with it, but a so-called super heavy tank with such a large and fragile turret is completely useless, it will now have to face guns doing more damage to it while having a gun and a turret that are worse than its tier 9 equivalent, one could imagine that they simply forgot about it but NO they still took the time to reduce its armor 🤡.

[molten slate]

I checked and indeed the Tiger Maus its cheecks are better then those of the Maus… So Wargaming please buff the Maus because this is a no brainer next step!!

[cedar axle]

Maus should get the 300mm turret armour of the tiger maus, and the 530 alpha too

[lusty hill]

Literally all we want wargaming

[cedar axle]

Just crazy that the maus got nerfed in this update

[lusty hill]

Makes no sense the floor got nerfed