#Swiss CW TT

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I'm not even sure how it happened, but earlier today I stumbled into some Swiss tanks. Probably that glorious 81mm rocket launcher that's on the Monsterjager and looking into the other platforms it was on. We'll get back to that later, but in short it's a Swiss weapon.

Turns out, Switzerland developed a lot of armoured vehicles over the years. I'd daresay just enough to build a solid enough TT branch. Now, my proposal is for them to slot neatly into the Independent tree, along with Israel and hopefully Japan and Sweden.

So, what have I proposed? Two and a half lines, with some additional premiums just for good measure.

The medium line is as good of a starting point as anything. We start off with an early 30 ton medium tank, with a direct lineage to the Panzer 61 and 68 MBTs. Era 2 is solely Pz 68s, with Era 3 consisting of a 120mm variant, a Leopard 2A4 (because everyone operated Leopard 2A4s) and the top of the tree Panzer 87-140, a 140mm armed Leopard 2A4. It wouldn't be a Swiss CW line without this vehicle.

Our next line is our lights. Era 1 consists of two SPAAG variants of the AMX 13, adopted as the LPz 51 in Swiss service. Era 2 starts off with a IFV variant with no ATGMs, and the rest of the tree is a variant of the MOWAG Tornado. This is a vehicle that was in development for many years and was unfortunately never adopted. There's a bunch of turrets and guns to pick between, and as such the line ranges from effectively a Marder 1A1 equivalent to something closer to a Bradley. Top of the tree is another IFV design, armed with a 30mm and four 76mm ATGMs.

Our final line is the TDs, as there's another vehicle a Swiss tree is required to have.
To start off, we have three different turreted 90mm TDs. There is a turretless design we could use, but I know how popular the Jadgpoanzer 3-5 is. It's very similar to that.
Era 2 includes one of those turreted 90mm tanks, but the tier 2 is a Tornado armed with that 81mm launcher that led me here in the first place.
Tier 3 is the Taifun II. A casemate equipped 120mm armed tank destroyer that looks ripped from WWII. Personally, I do not think that this is Era 3 material, but it's basically on the borderline. That being said, I can think of no other Era 3 machines and as such the line ends here, allowing linkage into the other two lines.

As for premiums, we have a good selection honestly.
Firstly, another 90mm armed light/TD. This time based on the HS.30 chassis. This is the chassis the Monsterjager is based on.
Next, a Gepard SPAAG turret on a Panzer 68 chassis.
Next, the tank that beat the MOWAG Trojan, a CV90 variant. Much lower tier, because there's no ATGM capability on any CV90 variant aside from the one we already have. I don't know how that works exactly.
The next tank might look out of place, but it's a Jordanian M60 regunned with a lightweight Swiss 120mm gun that also was tested on the Panzer 68 and a CV90120.
Our final premium is a prototype MOWAG Tornado armed with a 105mm gun. I envision a Swiss version of the Marder VTS-1.
There's also Centurions and the usual export affair. Technically, you could probably shoehorn Austrian vehicles in here as well. Plenty of options there, including yet another 81mm rocket system.

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The KW 30/52 is our start. Armed with a 90mm gun.

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Next is the Panzer 58. Another 90mm armed tank, it's equipped with a 20mm autocannon as well. 105mm conversions did happen

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Early Panzer 61s had the 20mm as well, but most did not. APFSDS rounds were available for these tanks, but not on the autocannon armed ones.

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The Panzer 68 was the next in line.

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The Panzer 68/75 is most noticeable by the larger turret.

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The Panzer 68/88 is a Panzer 68 upgraded with some of the equipment from a Panzer 87. More modern fire control systems I believe

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The Panzer 68/2000 is a deep modernisation of the Panzer 68. Not adopted due to price, making it similar to the Leopard 1A6 In that regard. Armed with that 120mm gun mentioned earlier.

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This technically isn't a base Panzer 87. This is the uparmoured Panzer 87 WE.

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Similarly, the Panzer 87-140 also got uparmoured, although I cannot say if this was during the CW or during a later development attempt in the 2000's.

grave yarrow
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87-140 was in 1989

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And a correction the skorpion(s) should be before the pirat

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Because the skorpion directly led to the making of the pirat

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A quad 20mm SPAAG on the AMX 13 chassis.

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A competitor to the above, armed with twin 34mm autocannons.

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The Mistral was armed with the same 25mm that appears on the MLI-84M. No ATGMs that I'm aware of though

grave yarrow
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I'd have included that if it had an atgm

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This early MOWAG Tornado is armed with the turret from the HS.30 and BANTAM ATGMs.

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Same gun as on the Mistral, different ATGMs to the earlier Tornado.

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A 35mm autocannon armed Tornado, with Milan ATGMs.
Basically a cross between our Stormer and a Marder 1A3, just with more punch.

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At least, this says it's a 35mm.

grave yarrow
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That's a 20mm

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This is also apparently a 35mm armed variant

grave yarrow
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Oerlikon

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Haven't found anything with the 35mm variants having atgms

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The Trojan is armed with a 30mm and the same 76mm ATGMs as on that early Tornado.

grave yarrow
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I want the Trojan

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But idk if WG would want to retcon it to have an atgm

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Just a Milan would be nice

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currently i have that as a premium suggestion

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was editing mine today and this is what i have for my swiss/austrian line

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and these 2 down at the bottom

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and like 23 swiss premiums spread across all eras

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ill show the rest of the lines i have in my slides when its all complete

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Really want Swiss line in game

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grave yarrow
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wikipedia dont say nothing about bantam

spring epoch
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ughm WWII tech tree perhaps too?

grave yarrow
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or any atgm

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JPz Pirat is our start of our TD branch

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Wikipedia isn't the best source for the more obscure vehicles I've found

grave yarrow
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id hope itd have bantam

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The Skorpions are equipped with the same guns as the Pirat.
Admittedly the 2 is plugging a hole and probably should be replaced with something better or potentially nothing

grave yarrow
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fust found the proper top tier for swiss weelies

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The MRS-80 might look familiar, and should be a delight

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The Taifun II is rather recognisable.
I believe the prototype was only equipped with a 105mm, but the 120mm was certainly on the table.

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The HS.30 Pak 57 is basically a HS.30 with the gun in the other two Era 1 90mm tanks.
And a few other designs from the period.

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The FlPz 68 is literally just a Gepard turret on a Pz 68 hull. Didn't seem fair to have the AMX 13 SPAAGs and not this.

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Spz 2000 is just a CV9030. As an independent premium, hopefully including both Switzerland and Sweden, it works well for the nation.

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The M60A1 with 120mm is just cutting our threshold at 1999.

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Finally, this Tornado 105mm.

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Also, @slow parrot

grave yarrow
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I suggest it because they're working on it

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Which is perfectly valid.
Once they're done, I'll suggest some

grave yarrow
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this is what i changed

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10x10 105 for top tier

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removed the LATS and down tierd the fl-12 and fl-20

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actually...

grave yarrow
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nvm removed fl-20 and replaced it with LATS

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I'm not sure how effective a top tier light would be armed with that particular gun.
If memory serves, it's a medium pressure gun.

fallow remnant
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10/10 for effort as always. would be nice to see some of the general bar flies spending their time here reading not speaking.

grave yarrow
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We got era 2 tanks that fire apfsds rounds nearing 500 pen and sometimes over with premium

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Of course would carry over to having more pen as standard in era 3

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Also it's a wheelie it's not even supposed to have the best gun/performances simply for balancing

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past spire
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IMO dont bother suggesting wheeled stuff until they got the physics working

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Doesn't make huge sense, in my opinion, to recommend a vehicle when another using the same gun is a whole Era lower

grave yarrow
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Yeah it also doesnt make too much sense when wg give the same gun in an era above a higher pen than the era below it but oh well

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They balance how they want to

grave yarrow
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The G2 came out after

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An even better gun that is high pressure

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G2 is the one in 10x10 105

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# grave yarrow The G2 came out after

I'm actually on about the G2.
It was used in later versions of the SK-105, and was a descendant of the AMX 13/105's main cannon. The F2 is an earlier version of the lineage.

grave yarrow
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Yeah

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We're literally both correct

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Yep.
It is better than the F2, just not what I'd consider good enough for top of Era 3.
The L7 is just because of ammunition variety

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grave yarrow
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theres only 2 4k models that could possibly work in era 2

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and my LT-105 is the ascod (ulan) 105

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hmmm

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maybe some more 4k could work

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but it would be a weird line

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grave yarrow
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LRF is 2000...

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what year is LPT?

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I've seen 1998 for this particular vehicle floating around

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Yep, 1998. Two years after the LMT-105 turret but two years before the LRF-105 turret

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That's two ASCOD variants for you

grave yarrow
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m

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i think i would rather it be a premium

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tbh

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Fair enough. You have options

grave yarrow
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tho i TT wouldnt be bad if i could figure out a logical place for a nother tank to squeeze in and move the others forward

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It would actually be a logical progression from the SK-105A3

grave yarrow
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wait a minute

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maybe put in the standard Sk 105 as the beginning era 2 and move the sk105a3 to bottom era 3

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iirc its supposed to have era and a M68 gun

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so slightly different gun characteristics

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worse tanks in era 3 as of right now so it wouldnt be out of the question

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Have you considered the Mk 62 for the bottom of ERA 2?
Thing got HEAT shells as well as HE

grave yarrow
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mk 62?

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oh yeah

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pzhb 51

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It's a Swiss turreted 105mm SPG on the AMX 13 chassis.
Thematically it's related to the LPz 51 and the SK-105s, and allows you to push up the next three

grave yarrow
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That can work.
Admittedly, I don't see WG giving us a tier 3 Era 3 light though, so a decent chance one of the ASCODs becomes a premium

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Which is fine

grave yarrow
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its not rocket science for them to add era 3 lights that can actually perform

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and or buff the other 105 lights in era 3 that are suffering greatly

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literally any buffs will suffice

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i do get what you mean tho

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They are reluctant to add top tier lights.

grave yarrow
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like this is my US/SE asia stuff

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Only candidates I don't think they could wriggle out of are the 40mm CTA Bradley, the CV-90120, the Strv 2000 L140 and the Sprut

grave yarrow
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cv-90120 prototype they could

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L140 is all up to them

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2s25 if they go by beginning of design year

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grave yarrow
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i already got 906 and 685

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what else is there?

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Loads

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Have a look at the 934 when you get the chance. A whole family of prototypes were built on it

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Off the top of my head, there's a 125mm, a 120mm gun-mortar with 600mm penetration with kinetic and a 152mm

grave yarrow
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i can see them but not the names

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i can see object 688 but thats a proto bmp-3

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They don't really have names, to my understanding

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I've certainly not found anything

grave yarrow
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They do exist though

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I've seen "Vika" for the 152mm

grave yarrow
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would probably have that as a premium

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hold on

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same gun as on the 2s3m

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2S31 Prototype

grave yarrow
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I think there's also the Nona SPG.

grave yarrow
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there is

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i have that as a premium era 2

grave yarrow
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gosh i love working on this stuff

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found this and added it into my expanded US light line

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xm723 bradley prototype with a TOW

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mid era 2

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m113 -> XM723 TOW -> M2A1 Bradley

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grave yarrow
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oh i know

grave yarrow
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oh i just found something great

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frenchies

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the actual char futur tanks

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futur 4 we have in game is based off the AS22

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heres a picture of the AS12 mockup next to a AMX 30

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oh and the TC1 model to the far left

grave yarrow
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alright

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got something i think would work

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AS12 starts the turretless high gd line that eventually leads to the leclerc

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and option for those that aren't a fan of the more fragile and auto cannon AMX tanks

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oh wait

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@fresh cloak sorry if im stealing any thunder n stuff

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i was just going off ._.

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this is your thread after all

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i say this because i realised it mightve been rude

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grave yarrow
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the jokes write themselves "with armor that thin they certainly will be swiss"!

grave yarrow
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Bump this up cause swiss needs to be added

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Found something that could be a premium