Era 1 Tier 1 premiums.

[magic adder]

Currently, there is a premium tank for every tier in CW, except for Era 1 Tier 1. This is something of a shame, as due to how the XP system works there is a real potential for this to be an absolutely glorious source of crew training.

Hence this proposal. Era 1 Tier 1 premiums could be given enhanced crew training bonuses to make them desirable for players to obtain, all the whole being no less capable than existing Era 1 Tier 1 tanks.

The attached image is of the A45 Centurion Mk I. As the TT equivalent is the Mk II, the Mk I being a premium would work, as the design is less capable than the TT variant yet has the same gun.

[worn hound]

My question would be who would pay somewhere in the region of 6-10k gold for a tank that performs worse

Not to mention there are already tanks good for crew training, you'd need the fattest crew XP boost imaginable to even justify buying the premium tank

[magic adder]

For the US, the M26 is in a similar situation.
Not as capable as the M46, but the gun still works well.

The Modernised IS-2M is another similar type of vehicle. Late WWII with long CW service.
These were modernised in the 50's

The FCM 12T was the competitor to the BC 12T and AMX 12T, losing out to the latter.

The prototype didn't have its turret fitted, but was later equipped with a quad-20mm AA turret

The Jadgpanzer 1-3 is a variant of the early IFV HS.30, equipped with a 90mm gun, much like on the later Jadgpanzer 4-5.
Unfortunately, this was not a good design, and development ceased.

Tier-wise, it would fit tier 1 or 2. Probably better for tier 1 though.

[slate topaz]

Since there is a substantial XP bonus for winning, it doesn't make sense to me to play a weak tank.

The tier power levels in Era 1 are not balanced as closely as Era 2 and 3. Bottom tier in Era 1 is really weak. You are quite handicapped to play them.

[worn hound]

Ye

[dim thicket]

My guess is that it'd cost between 6000 and 7500 gold. Tier 2 era 1 ta KS are 8500 gold, so it'd be cheaper than that.

[magic adder]

It depends on the exact tier 1 in question. My understanding is that the first wave aren't the best, but later tanks have closed that gap. The BC 25T, for example, is a tier 1 tank, and not really any worse than the other two French.

[magic adder]

The 60mm Sherman is an option for the Independent tree, although the gun is a tad powerful.

A South American Firefly is another potential candidate.

The T29E3 is an immediate post-war Heavy tank built by the US in the late 40's.

Very similar to the existing T34, the main difference is the different engine and the 105mm gun, at least as far as gameplay statistics go. The rangefinder is the most distinctive visual change, and this is the only example in the series with the rangefinder.

[visual stone]

Cw normally starts at tier 8 and tier 7 tanks will stand no chance against a is4 or a 4005

If anything I suggest adding like a tiger 2 or is7

[dim thicket]

Here is the thing, most WWII tanks either have inflated or deflated stats to meet the tier.

It's all stats that can be adjusted upwards or downward.

[visual stone]

True but some of these tanks are worse than the TT and I don't think people are gonna waste 8k gold to get them

[dim thicket]

Tier 1 tanks most likely won't be 8k gold.

[visual stone]

Knowing wg it's will be at a hefty price

[dim thicket]

Tier 2s are 8500, Tier 3s are 9500, so it stands to reason tbat a tier 1 era 1 would be 7500 at most.

[visual stone]

Still not worth it

[dim thicket]

To you maybe. But the increases earnings made from a tier 1 tank is very much valued.

[visual stone]

A stock centurion is worse compared to the stock tt version

[dim thicket]

This centurion would have a 20mm coax

[magic adder]

Actually, a tier VII stands a very good shot against the FV4005.
It just has to not be actively firing. Same issue as most tier X's have.

It's worth mentioning that many CW tanks have increased penetration over their WWII counterpart. For example, the M46's 90mm gets much better penetration, and the M26 uses the same ammunition. It would be fine.

[magic adder]

Some Cent II drivers use the 17 Pounder over the 20 Pounder due to the better DPM

[dim thicket]

That would be me

[visual stone]

I use the smaller gun but that would have a worse turret

[dim thicket]

It would also have a 20mm coax

[visual stone]

If u ain't doing damage then u are useless

[dim thicket]

Well then, thankfully era 1 only has 2 tanks with armor

[visual stone]

Still not very good

[magic adder]

Yes? I don't see how that's a huge problem. The hull armour is also weaker.

It's a worse version of the Centurion II, but makes up for that deficiency with XP bonuses.

You know, like a premium tank usually does?

[visual stone]

Not worth it when everything is pretty much worse besides XP earn and yet other premium tanks still do the same but better

[dim thicket]

Silver earnings are also higher for lower tier tanks

[magic adder]

Silver would actually be higher as well because of the low tier combat bonus

You'll be getting a less capable but cheaper premium with better innate bonuses.

[visual stone]

The e3 does everything but better

[dim thicket]

E3 is a tier 3, wouldn't have a coax, uses a 105mm.

[visual stone]

Better make it about 200% more

[dim thicket]

Actually, I'm not interested in continuing this debate.

[magic adder]

Do you know what the low tier combat bonus is?

[visual stone]

It gets put against it so no point

[visual stone]

About 150 or a bit higher I believe

[magic adder]

Can a stock Cent II kill a T95E3?

[visual stone]

The TT version can

[magic adder]

Yes.
As such, a Cent I would be able to

[visual stone]

Due to the little bit of turret armor

[visual stone]

Not with the worse turret

[dim thicket]

Same gun

[magic adder]

None of the proposed tanks have gun performance worse than what's already in Era 1

[visual stone]

Doesn't matter

[magic adder]

The gun is what does the killing, not the turret

The worse turret is a mild disadvantage, but the tank being slightly worse than a fully upgraded TT Era 1 tier 1 is the whole point

[visual stone]

It gets put against t3 so give it something to work with then

[dim thicket]

Guess tier 2 premiums shouldn't exist because tier 3 premiums exist huh?

[magic adder]

You have a 17 Pounder with 200mm+ penetration, capable of going against anything else you face with little issue

What more do you actually need?

[visual stone]

All u have is a gun and nothing to help it

[magic adder]

There's also tracks and an engine

[visual stone]

44a will go through it and every t1

[visual stone]

Well if it's stock then no it will not have speed

[dim thicket]

The Scimitar will go straight through thr Type 773? So should it not be in the game?

Hell, the Charioteer has no hull armor, or turret armor.

[magic adder]

WG can adjust the ground resistances to make the less capable engine more powerful in practice. This isn't a 1-1 copy and paste

[visual stone]

The 773 is a leopard 🤦

[visual stone]

Has great gun and speed

[dim thicket]

Im done with the nuh uh argument

[magic adder]

So, a 90mm Leopard prototype would be fine as a tier 1 premium then?

[visual stone]

Id say make the speed 50 or close to it sense it has a worse turret

[magic adder]

Do you just have a problem conceptualising the Cent I as a standalone tank with different characteristics?

[magic adder]

That can be easily done

[visual stone]

No I just don't think it's a good idea to add tanks that's we don't need especially against op tanks that are played a lot

[visual stone]

Problem solved then

[gray plank]

How about the T54E2 for CW ERA 1 as a top or medium tier heavy?

[magic adder]

Could work, yes. However, as the thread is specifically regarding Era 1 tier 1 tanks, I haven't mentioned any mid tier candidates

[gray plank]

i hear you, then how about M46 Patton with turret screens

[median totem]

Here's a question. Seeing as how it already exists as a premium in classic mode and it's a CW era tank. Why has the M51 Sherman not been added yet?

[dim thicket]

It has, just not with the FR 105mm gun.

[median totem]

That's the M50.

[dim thicket]

Yeah, you're right

That said, I'm not sure how much people would like it given thst it o ly fires HEAT and HE.

[median totem]

So does the Jagdpanzer and the AMX 30A. People still use those.

[dim thicket]

The Kannonenjagdpanzer 4-5 is one of the, if not the worst performing tanks in the game.

Yup, the worst.

44.50% global WR.

[median totem]

I did pretty swell with it.

Also the M51's gun is literally a cut down version of the AMX's with a big ol muzzle brake on it.

[dim thicket]

Same, but it is the worst performing tank in the game.

[wintry crow]

In my experience with era1 having heat only isn't hardly ever a problem if anything it's actually really good one of the reasons why I like the amx30a

Ik other mediums in era1 have heat but not as standard

[median totem]

IS-4M becoming the dominant heavy tank now only makes HEAT more desirable.

[visual stone]

Na u don't need it

[median totem]

Never said you did did I?

[wintry crow]

In my testing with the is4m vs m103a1 they are pretty equal

Depends on the situation which one can win

[median totem]

Lot of people crying about it at first. But I chalk that up to a bunch of CW players having no experience fighting the big Soviet brute.

[visual stone]

So why use it

[median totem]

I don't. But others will.

[visual stone]

Honestly the only ones I seen that needs premium are the French era2s because they have heat for standard

[median totem]

The HEAT rounds work fine most of the time. My only real gripe with them is the shell velocity.

[magic adder]

The M26E1 might work better than the standard M26. It's basically a variant of the T26E4, except the gun has been modified to better fit the turret (and the ammunition isn't as long).

The slower speed of the M26 can be offset by having a more powerful gun.

The SU-100 saw considerable use post-war, and was even produced in the 50's by Czechoslovakia. As such, a SU-100 or SD-100 could be a nice tier 1 option.

The gun is the same as on the T-54/55 and other relatives, so could get enhanced ammunition

A 90mm armed prototype of the B series of prototypes would be a nice medium tank option

[autumn cypress]

Captured Maus. What if USSR bring different look maus to cold war with 122m gun mount on it.

[median totem]

Maus gets eaten alive.

[gray plank]

just because of speed, but armor and gun wise it can fight