SOVIET TT (EXTENDED.) + FIXED T-80 TT.

[molten reef]

[quartz dawn]

[molten reef]

Least now we got a great community here to judge the TT. Lol.

[spare geyser]

I like it, hopefully some of these if not all of them can be added in the future

[molten reef]

If you noticed I made a Object 477 branch. 😂😂

[spare geyser]

At this point why not

[molten reef]

Object 225.

[timber hare]

Are there no T72's or am I just blind?

[timber hare]

Same ere

[spare geyser]

I think he excluded those since they are passed where tanks would branch off from

[molten reef]

I didn't include those. I included more tanks.

[magic crane]

These 2 may be too new to be in the game, as the year when they entered production is what counts towards the year 2000 cap as far as I know.

Otherwise, I can tell that a lot of effort went into this, and it respects all rules for natural progression set by previous lines as far as I can see.

I'm not a big fan of the USSR or Russia, but upvote because it's a well made tt.

[spare geyser]

Last I heard the cap was 1999

[magic crane]

1999 is just the newest that can be added.

If it was 1999, then I would've said something about the t84 too. But no, that one is ok.

[magic crane]

I think a completion of the czech/romanian line into era 3 should be given priority instead of adding even more lines tho. Imagine a ww2 line without a tier 10 tank, same thing as a cw line with no era 3 tank. It's a shame that they've left it unfinished and ignored the fact that it's unfinished for so long. I don't care if they use only romanian tanks or mix in some more nations for era 3. Just give it something in era 3. It could be just the tr85m1 alone and that would suffice. Or if they want to add that as a premium or they just have something against it and don't want to add it (altough there's no reason for it not to be in the game), something else, anything, even if it's not romanian, as logic-lacking as that would be.

And yes, I'd be saying this for another line that doesn't lead to era 3 too if there was one.
They're adding new lines when there's one only halfway done that could be completed. I've come up with 2 different ways that it could be completed before.

[timber hare]

I don't think anything is too new for detente really since the leclerc T4 was revealed to the public in 2016 despite the base tank maybe being older

[magic crane]

Bad argument. It's not about when the public got wind of it, but when the first unit was built.

[timber hare]

We don't really know when it was built tho, we only know the French have been experimenting with main armaments since the 1990's which doesn't tell alot

Other than the range is between 1990 and 2016

[magic crane]

Maybe the standards will get more blurry years in the future when they run out of things to add, but they don't need to break the rules they've set now to add more russian tanks when russian tanks are the most numerous already, they still have many they can add without breaking the rules, and there's still an unfinished line and important nations like Italy, Sweden and Japan not in the cw tt's.

[magic crane]

The only real difference is its armament, we know that was tested in the 90's, therefore the Leclerc t4 must've been built in the 90's for them to test it back then.

[timber hare]

Hmm

I am looking online

A prototype was built in 1996, however to avoid being scrapped, the prototypes turret was restored and mounted onto a an older leclerc hull in the 2010's and nicknamed terminateur, in the 2010's.

Considering the designation was only given after the prototype turret was restored and mounted on an older leclerc hull, one could say that they broke the 2000 limit rule, however if you stretch the interpretation, you can also say that both parts are older and thus its OK.

[magic crane]

You don't have such an interpetration here for these ones.

Anyways, the priority shouldn't be to add all the newest russian tanks right now, but to finish the romanian line and add something in era 3 already, and then to introduce important nations into the roster that have been ignored until now, like Italy, Sweden (into the tt, they do have a premium), and Japan, and maybe they could add some more, like maybe Brazil.

[timber hare]

I think independents have been very ignored imho

[magic crane]

All of these but Italy could be independents.

[timber hare]

The only nation there is isreal, even though so many more independents exist

[timber hare]

Is Italy really independents?

[magic crane]

BUT Italy.

Except Italy

Japan, Sweden and Brazil could be.

[timber hare]

Any nation that was part of the non aligned movement before 2000 classes as an independent

So Yugoslavia, Egypt, India, ect

Italy wasn't part of the non aligned movement

[magic crane]

Yugoslavia already has a premium and it's in the eastern tt.

But you still didn't understand what I said. I didn't say Italy was non aligned. I said that Sweden and Brazil were not aligned, and maybe you could make a point for Japan, since South Korea was put into independents with the k1.

Read again. This is a reading comprehension issue on your part, thinking I said Italy is not aligned.🤦‍♂️

[timber hare]

Guess my reading was wrong

Apologies

[magic crane]

Anyways, before they add new lines, they should get something for the romanian line in era 3. A line should have a prize tank in top tier/era as is tradition.

[magic crane]

Np.

[timber hare]

Ye true

[magic crane]

If it was up to me to make such decisions, I'd first have the romanian line conpleted with this suggestion I made exactly as I made it:
#1275958994699157524 message

Then I'd add Japan and Sweden to independents. (There are good suggestions for that on this server too)

Then I'd add Yugoslavia to eastern and Italy to western (Raininghavoc's suggestions would come in handy there)

Then I'd add french lights (saw a good suggestion months ago)

Then I'd find a way to add Brazil to independents. I think they have enough for a line.

And that's it for as far as I'd have a plan.

[timber hare]

Isn't Yugoslavia, a founding member of the non aligned movement?

Makes zero sense to put it on eastern alliance considering how vehemently opposed Yugoslavia is to the Soviet union

[magic crane]

The have the m636 as a eastern premium, so it is set that they would be eastern.

[timber hare]

Weird, their so opposed to the soviet union historically I'd think that they make more sense being western alliance than east if I had to pick between the two, but oh well

[magic crane]

Well, the decision was already made when they added that premium. Just like they made South Korea and Sweden independents with their premiums.

[magic crane]

Maybe got added to that because communism, just like China.

Actually I think that's the code!

Official NATO members: western alliance

Communist countries: eastern alliance

Non-NATO and non-communist countries:
Independents

[spare geyser]

Tbh people aren't worried about 3 tanks when they can get 8 more instead

And honestly the independent tt needs way more added and should be a much bigger priority then 3 tanks

[magic crane]

Nah, you're trying to rage bait me. I already gave my reasons why, and my suggestion has 9 new tanks, not 3.

You're only saying that because you hate me personally and want to be nuisance to me.

[magic crane]

Just admit it already. Your problem isn't with the idea of having the romanian line be complete like the others.
You were in favour of it before that drama when I made this older suggestion for it:

#1196426143486717982 message

Your problem is with ME.

[magic crane]

Admit it.

[spare geyser]

No I'm still in favour of it being completed but making it a top priority is not the right way of doing it

[spare geyser]

Also they won't do anymore then 3 more for era 3 so it's pointless to say people would be in favor of 9 when we know only 3 will be added until they decide to move on

[magic crane]

Uh huh. Again, it's not just 3 tanks, I suggested 9. Your argument falls. And shouldn't it be a no brainer that finishing something that you left half done is more important than starting something new?

[spare geyser]

And again they will only use 3

Also if they were gonna finish it it would already be done

[magic crane]

Just because they add a few more doesn't mean a new line will be finished later. They're taking time and resources to make less tanks, so it will be finished faster and therefore the pace of releasing tanks won't be slowed. Wouldn't you like to have this in one season and another new one in the next instead of nothing in one and a new one in the next?

[magic crane]

They CAN finish it. I already proved it twice!

[spare geyser]

So doesn't mean they will

Also again people won't be really excited over that line being finished as they would be for an entire new line

[magic crane]

But it means they should, and that's why I'm so vocal, to bring light to the issue that of them ignoring it.

[magic crane]

That's just your opinion.

[spare geyser]

It's fact

[magic crane]

Opinion*

[spare geyser]

Fact

[magic crane]

No, opinion. Now would you stop bothering me?

[spare geyser]

It's obviously a fact, why would people get excited for 3 new tanks when they can have 8 new tanks in a full line

[magic crane]

@spare geyser Refer to this. They could have both those "3 tanks", and the other 8.

[spare geyser]

But they won't and clearly aren't bothered by it

[magic crane]

And that's my whole point and why I'm here: they should be.

[spare geyser]

No your only here about that cause it's your nation's tanks, if it was any other nation you wouldn't care

[magic crane]

Cope. Just say it out loud. You just hate me, and that's why you even bother to have this "disscussion". You want to annoy me. And I already said: I'd be ok with it even if they didn't use romanian tanks to finish it and I'd have a problem with any line having no era 3, so no!

[spare geyser]

Lies

[magic crane]

Just stop bothering me already, you bully. My first suggestion literally had half foreign tanks and I only made a second after seeing that one with only romanian tanks gets more support after Raininghavoc made a suggestion like that, and I wanted to make a better one because I could.

[spare geyser]

You haven't had an issue with the Chinese lights not going to era 3

[magic crane]

That connects back to the main line.

[spare geyser]

So

[magic crane]

Therefore you do get to era 3.

[spare geyser]

It can though

The same logic applies in ww2, there are lines that brach to 2 or even 3 lines but still go to tier 10, what's so different here

[magic crane]

If you start the chinese line, there is a way to get into top tier from it, but not from this one. By "incomplete" I don't mean that tank x or y isn't in there, but that a final prize tank in top tier isn't there. That's what makes a line complete.

It's a dead end, whereas any other line you take isn't a dead end and you get to the goal of top tier/era.

[spare geyser]

So connect it with the Chinese line then would that make you happy

[magic crane]

And how would you do that? (Without breaking multiple rules of natural progression.)

I'm so tired of this already. It's clear that you just want to make me look bad, but I'm forced to keep defending myself as I'm being attacked.

[spare geyser]

The same way any other line connects back to a main line

Also your not being attacked lmfao stop playing victim

[molten reef]

Jesus christ I'm closing this post.

[magic crane]

You'd have to connect it to the heavies, which are 2 spots above. Also, that isn't the main line of the romanian tt.

[spare geyser]

Whatever you say

[magic crane]

They come from different beginning tanks.

[spare geyser]

You've been way off topic this entire time anyway

[magic crane]

Projection. And you just hate me and that's the only reason why you're here.

[molten reef]

Yeah that's why I listen to Csickphantom.

[spare geyser]

Notice how it's called Soviet tt extended not romanian

[molten reef]

[magic crane]

You started this argument, so can we end it? I've told you to stop bothering me 2 times by now.

[spare geyser]

You start this mate

[magic crane]

My disscussion was with someone else, not with you. You came here and claimed that my problem doesn't matter.

[spare geyser]

It doesnt cause it's a different line

[magic crane]

Now please, stop messaging me.

I never wanted this argument.

[spare geyser]

You started this by going off topic

[magic crane]

I wasn't talking to you.

[spare geyser]

Doesn't matter

[molten reef]

@dense bramble 💀

[spare geyser]

Being off topic is a problem

[molten reef]

Crazydevil already stated you went off topic. This is called "SOVIET TT (EXTENDED.) + T-80 TT FIXED." Not Romanian/Czech TT.

[magic crane]

When other posts go off topic, such as when the is4m post became about the fv4005, no one seems to care, but when I do it, it's a problem. You just hate me, that's it.

[spare geyser]

No

[molten reef]

Nobody hates you bruh. That's you making that up.

[spare geyser]

He's playing victim which is wrong

[magic crane]

Maybe not you, but Crazy and Squirrel do for a fact.