STOP PUTTING COLD WAR TANKS IN WWII

[tall spruce]

I think the title says enough. WWII is so boring without true vision. Then add Cold War tanks to WWII wow neat so fun for the traditional WWII tank player. Not to mention can we get anymore tanks that can one shot an 8?

[sterile crane]

You didnt pay $80 for a tier 8 premium tank to make extra silver did you? Lol...

[gilded siren]

I can't even understand what he meant to write in this one

[coarse oxide]

As someone for cross mode sharing of content, I’m going to completely disagree. If the tank fits in both modes then add it to both modes.

I know there’s a couple confusing outliers, but if it fits in the timeline of both modes then I see no reason not to add it to both

[sterile crane]

Seems a 3 part question here. Hence why I asked if he bought a premium lol

[mortal dagger]

Agreed

[solar sleet]

I really like the idea of buy 1, get both.

[coarse oxide]

Highly unlikely that will happen. They are 2 different tanks so WG will never let you buy both for the price of one.

Your idea is on the right track, but it would be when you buy the tank you can choose which mode you want.

[mortal dagger]

I just think having more tanks specifically added to cw from ww2 would be nice to just add more variety, especially in era 1 we could use more heavies so maybe they could add the is4/7 and some other tier 10 heavies

[solar sleet]

Era 1 is burnt and mostly not fun until Poo barn gets nerfed

[mortal dagger]

I disagree with that, the only reason the 4005 is a massive issue is the sheer number per team, the other issue is they keep doing contracts that encourage people to play tds

But I will add to that and say the 4005 could use a small speed nerf

[solar sleet]

The "only" reason. 170 concealment, does 60. That just breaks CW era1. Give it a speed/gun buff and shove it era 2. Or buff all era 1 HP 50%. It is the SCOURGE of era 1. Broken in the extreme. Stupid OP. Its not being played because of contracts, its being played because it stupid, dumb, window licker level of OP

The 268 was broken enough

[coarse oxide]

And I think CW has plenty of tanks not yet added that would exclusive to that mode. Because their restrictions are significantly relaxed compared to classic mode.🙂

I like the Cold War era of history but I do not like CW mode. This is why I advocate for cross mode content sharing. Why should I have to play a mode I do not like for a tank I want? In my view I shouldn’t, and think there should be no problem with two different versions of the same tank. Let players buy the tank for their preferred mode. Especially if they only play one mode.

And seeing as classic mode’s timeline roughly goes to the late 70s, if a CW tank meets the criteria to be added to Classic mode. Then why can’t it be added?

[south moon]

I mean aside from late war German and Soviet designs, what else would even fit in high tiers? CW tanks have been part of the classic game mode since it released. Obviously we don't need any era or atgm tanks, but no CW tanks would be impossible to design around.

[solar sleet]

i think most are yes? And why only play 1 mode?

[solar sleet]

sweed cheese wedges, all fit in CW.

[mortal dagger]

Does 56

[coarse oxide]

Also very much this. If we completely eliminated CW from classic mode the only complete 1-10 tree would probably be Germany with everything else ending at most at T8

[solar sleet]

And? You dont go double speed then. ?

[mortal dagger]

The 4005 right now is being played in extreme numbers because of contracts, when there isn't a td contract available there's less of them and more of whatever is out then

[coarse oxide]

I don’t like the pace, I don’t like ATGMs, and I don’t like TV. That’s more than enough reason for me not to play it.

Of course I will mess around in the mode when I have to and as much as I need to to make game mechanics videos. But otherwise I prefer the “classic” experience

[mortal dagger]

Also we don't need to put it in era 2, it would not work well there at all

Maybe a slight hp buff to all of era 1 tanks would help but you can't change the 4005 much other then speed and camo

[solar sleet]

TV can get you caught out. Big deal, you have more HP. Just know when your siloetted. But unhooked render range is just better, it makes certain maps just 100% better. Cross flank play.

[solar sleet]

of course it would do just fine. Very few people are actually using TV to snipe, if your not spotted you will likely get left alone. You could nerf its speed to 30kph and it would STILL be OP. Hits too hard for the tanks that it faces.

[mortal dagger]

What are you on about man, the 4005 in era 2 would get absolutely ripped apart by autocannons and atgms, also it's no different then what it sees at tier 10, mostly lightly armored mediums and lights and armored heavies. The issue in era 1 is that there isn't any armored heavies except the t34 and m103a1

Also in no way is the 4005 broken or extreme op lmfao, only when there's 6 per team is that way but if there's 1 it's extremely easy to counter it and frankly if you can't not my problem

End of the day era 1 needs more variety in it's tank classes, there's a reason you only see the same few tanks in a match and those are the tanks that are actually good

[solar sleet]

Yes i would get ripped apart - once it got spotted. Like most things. Firing auto cannons at it just tells 183mm where you are. The 183 works in era 2, proven.

[solar sleet]

This is self serving muppetry or straight up blind clueless window licking. You chose.

[solar sleet]

you forget the centurian 5/1, wz111 and i would love to see the conq era 1. And the IS7/4 wouldnt be out of place.

[mortal dagger]

Not proven, the rock crawler is much better then the 4005

[solar sleet]

Proven that the gun works then

[mortal dagger]

I'd love to see more heavies at least added to era 1, that would give more variety for players to enjoy

[mortal dagger]

Gun maybe, everything else not really

[solar sleet]

Yes i do aggree here. I dont see the need to add every varrient, shape and size. But yes id like to see left over post war heavys

[solar sleet]

Does anything else need to work?

[mortal dagger]

They also need to stop doing td contracts everytime they add a new one, that's why people play what's good or in certain cases op

[mortal dagger]

Yes, it being bigger then everything on the battlefield would mean easy to see and easy to hit where as the rock crawler has a more lower profile so it can hide itself, the rock crawler has a little bit of armor as well

[solar sleet]

So the responsible community are currently playing a selection of Arty yeah? Not really, 6 lines of arty and 50% of time its US arty. Because its still dumb and arty 2.0 broke it more.

[mortal dagger]

Hmm I see lots of German and Russian arty quite often, not just US, also I see British pretty often as well just not as much as the other 3

[solar sleet]

then give it a turret shield. Its not about hiding, you can easily spot and dodge snipers. It doesnt matter if its visible from space in TV if what your shooting is busy shooting you team cause they spotted.

[mortal dagger]

Nah it doesn't need armor lmao. That's a terrible idea and you know it.

[solar sleet]

Pure denial of the point US arty is over played because its over broke. 4005 no different

[mortal dagger]

I never denied anything lmfao

4005 is the exact same as the tier 10 except better camo and speed

[solar sleet]

"better camo" = Dumb insane camo. More camo than the tarran. More camo than Strv. AND it does 60, with great power to weight

[mortal dagger]

Once again exaggerating the speed, if you won't get your stats right people won't agree with you

[solar sleet]

I dont know a single person with a 4005 without traction - it does 60

and it will get there, and go up hill

[mortal dagger]

Lies

[solar sleet]

are you now the 1 person without traction? Iv got 1 buddy running triple speed

thats about 65

my goto in era 1 is the Cent 5/1

[mortal dagger]

Lmfao it doesn't need speed equipment

[solar sleet]

Yes but with it, it rags around a map like tier 10 leo

[mortal dagger]

Keep saying it goes 60 without speed equipment cause it doesnt

[mortal dagger]

And if your using it that's a dumb play tbh

[solar sleet]

rounded up to nearest 10 it does.

[mortal dagger]

Lmfao 😂 nobody is rounding nothing

[analog imp]

56 is still pretty fast ngl

[mortal dagger]

I never said it wasn't fast

[solar sleet]

your proof 56=60

[analog imp]

I was just saying in general

[mortal dagger]

Nobody rounds it up cause that's factually wrong in terms of stats

[mortal dagger]

I agree 56 is fast but I was correcting someone who keeps saying a tank goes 60 without speed equipment when it clearly doesnt

[solar sleet]

its not tho. Its not wrong to do it either. You have to assume when facing 1 its got 1 slot of speed, SO 90% of all squit barns do 60

[mortal dagger]

But regardless I'm dropping this cause I'm not gonna keep arguing with someone who can't even get stats right

[analog imp]

Lol

[mortal dagger]

I don't have to assume nothing because nobody runs speed equipment on it, people make the gun better because that's what it's good for

[solar sleet]

i never said without speed, you did. What crazy fool is running no speed??

[analog imp]

Almost everyone runs the same loadout u have 😂

[mortal dagger]

Lol exactly my point

[analog imp]

Honestly the only nerf it needs is the speed

[mortal dagger]

Alot of people

[mortal dagger]

I'd bring it down to 45-50km/h

[analog imp]

Almost everyone lol

[solar sleet]

No the sweatys trying to gold mark it are running that. They not the problem, they only 5%. Its the greenies who bowel around corner at 60. So its still not wrong.

[solar sleet]

AND 75m off its concealment, AND the gun needs an alpha nerf.

[analog imp]

I don't have a single GM and I can still do more damage than the whole match 90% of the time

[mortal dagger]

Nah nearly everyone runs this loadout because it's the best loadout for it, if anyone says speed is better they are plain wrong

[solar sleet]

Same here

[analog imp]

The gun is fine

[mortal dagger]

The GUN doesn't need an alpha nerf lmao that's how all 183mm guns are

[analog imp]

Make it 500💀

[solar sleet]

no its not. Yes im calling for a nerf for the biggest sweaty crutch in CW. 4005 owner knows its OP, but refuses to argue sensible.

[mortal dagger]

That's probably what he wants it to be

[solar sleet]

ouch, great idea, seriously. I thought the 268 was broken in era 1

[mortal dagger]

It's really not op, if your dying to it your playing wrong, it's really easy to spot and counter

[analog imp]

U do realize that 99% of cw tanks don't have armor due to everything having high pen right

[wooden ether]

Bros malding and coping at this point.

[solar sleet]

Its not that it kills me, its just about the only thing that can. Oh yes i play wrong, i tried to do something/go somewhere, my bad.

[analog imp]

I 2 marked my centurion stock/no premium and no commander with in 104-105 battles

[mortal dagger]

Pay attention lmao it's not hard to find one

[analog imp]

It's really not hard

[solar sleet]

Both centurians are animals

[analog imp]

Not really in cw

It was the free one u get

[mortal dagger]

The 5/1 is decent but the cent 2 is bad

[analog imp]

It gets bullied by m103 a lot

And 4005

[mortal dagger]

And just about everything haha

[analog imp]

Fr lol

[solar sleet]

Oh behave, its behind the same building, it will pop out when your busy and spotted and its not. Duh, you know it, i know it.

[analog imp]

If u want I can help u with cw and show u it's not that hard

[solar sleet]

Silly noob. 5/1 2nd strongest tank in era, and cent 2 is 1 of the best trainers in game

[analog imp]

Noob😂💀

[mortal dagger]

Just because the cent 2 is one of the best TRAINERS in the game doesn't make it a good tanks lmfao

[solar sleet]

Yes that one. Gun depression, does 60, savage guns

[mortal dagger]

Also really a noob, hmm I have just about everything in cw and have done numerous tier 10 grinds without farming bots or really using a ton of free xp

In 3 years

[solar sleet]

Better than using premium trainers. Its a free tank, and in right hand its stupid naughty

[analog imp]

Just about every tank bullies it

[solar sleet]

Been there since the start. Day 1 of challe line i was era 2, i streamed it live, 3.5 hours on each centurian.

[analog imp]

Gun depression is 10 and speed goes up to 48

Era 2 is worse💀

[solar sleet]

Lol, i wont go near a well used one. It will rack you

[solar sleet]

9° in cw

[analog imp]

10

Like I said I will gladly take u to cw and help u out

Give tips and all

[solar sleet]

dude, im very well known and i more than hold my own mud in CW.

M103 also 9 btw

[mortal dagger]

It's 10 degrees in cw dude

[analog imp]

U are known now for that comment 😂

[solar sleet]

its only special things that have more than 9

[mortal dagger]

Really cause the mk2 has 10

Also the m103 has 10 degrees also

[analog imp]

Even the 5/1 has 10

Don't make me list them all

[mortal dagger]

Lol you might have to if he tries to argue it doesnt

[solar sleet]

I dont care what the silly unreliable WG sheet says. To those that know. Things that get 10 in WW2 get 9 in CW. How do you guys not know that? Picked up CW late i suppose

[mortal dagger]

Bruh they have 10 degrees and the proof is right there. Pure denial from you

You won't admit your wrong so you make up random excuses to make yourself right

[solar sleet]

its actually 9.5, but i suppose we round up yes? It aint 10

[mortal dagger]

It's 10 dude end of story

It's always been 10 and nothing you say can change the reality that is the straight up stats we all have

[solar sleet]

comments like this, scream you dont know your CW

[mortal dagger]

Comments like this scream you don't know cw

[analog imp]

Centurion,Conway,4005,5/1,fv101,fv107,ru251,m6a1,m47,m103,t34,m24,m4a1,t92 all have 10

[analog imp]

Wasn't screaming

[solar sleet]

You had a big neon sign on your head that said you didnt know CW. I didnt put it there - you did

[mortal dagger]

Maybe you should look in the mirror cause both of us know what we are talking about while your spitting nonsense that doesn't make sense

[analog imp]

@mortal dagger sent the picture

[mortal dagger]

What?

Oh you mean a picture with proof of what it is

[analog imp]

That lol

[mortal dagger]

Lol I was confused for a moment

[analog imp]

All good lol

[analog imp]

Send a picture of all the tanks I said with different gd and I'll say ur right about it all😂

[solar sleet]

I would struggle to find the right post from forums where we were discussing it in great detail. If you wernt there, gutted

[mortal dagger]

And that forum would all be wrong info as well

[solar sleet]

It wasnt "that" forum. It was "the" forum

[mortal dagger]

Nah that forum sounds like it was alot of misinformation being spewed

[analog imp]

Na go on the game and send pictures of the tank

I need the proof

[mortal dagger]

Plus a forum means absolutely nothing when it's a bunch of people who say something that's wrong. At least I have given proof that it is what we say it is

[analog imp]

That's like saying the kranvagn has 12gd but u think it has 5

Honestly for this post is miss leading for what should actually say due to the OP saying true vision should be added to ww2😂

I think tanks should be able to be in both IF the tank is balance enough to be in it

[mortal dagger]

💯

[analog imp]

If u look at someone of the cw tanks u can see they don't have much armor

For an example if a m1 was to be added in ww2 lower the dpm/pen, speed,nerf HP and take away spaced armor

Not really a good example

But still y'all get what I'm saying 😂

Has to be worse the the actual version

[naive patio]

This post has me entirely confused. We got don't add CW tanks to WW2, (do/don't?) add 1 shot tanks, and a debate about the CW 4005 balance.

I guess I'll just say I have 0 issues with CW tanks in WW2 as long as they are balanced and enjoyable. Sure it's funny pointing at a historical 40s design being matched against a tank that saw service as late as the 90s. But as long as it's balanced and adding variety who cares?

[mortal dagger]

I'd like to see some of the ww2 heavies added into cw era 1 since we don't have many

[analog imp]

Is7🙏

[naive patio]

Works too. The AMX M4 54, IS tanks, T57, and the WZ heavies would probably all translate alright to the mode

[mortal dagger]

I'd love to see those all added, it's more variety for era 1

[naive patio]

Really a lot of the soviet and Warsaw pact tanks would probably be great in Era 1/2

[analog imp]

I would love to see era 4 added

Get some of the newer stuff in

[mortal dagger]

That would be cool but unlikely to happen anytime soon

[analog imp]

Sadly lol

[mortal dagger]

One day maybe

[analog imp]

At least we don't have cw arty as well

[mortal dagger]

Give it time

[solar sleet]

What is a Panzer Yager?

[solar sleet]

Yes they will. But they then go nowhere because of MBTs

[mortal dagger]

Era 1 dude, read what we were talking about

And maybe era 2, era 3 is getting all the tanks for the most part so more in era 1 is where it's really needed but era 2 could use some

[naive patio]

A tier 8 td? I didn't mention it so I'm confused by your question.

[solar sleet]

Its an NM116. Aka, a chaffee with a 90

[analog imp]

That's the cw version

[analog imp]

This is the ww2 version

[naive patio]

Yes but I'm confused the relevance. There's tons of post war tanks within the WW2 mode both in the tech tree and out.

[analog imp]

@naive patio don't mind with him lol

He thinks he's known by everyone 😂

He's the greatest and all knowing on the game

[solar sleet]

yes we could easily have more in era 1. But whats being asked for is already being done. Its balanced, ish, it same as any other tier 8 stealth.

[naive patio]

Correct. However the OP is saying they should stop doing it. To which I disagree, CW era tanks have been a part of the WW2 mode for years and should continue to be. More content and shared vehicles please

[analog imp]

Exactly

But they should be reworked tho so it works in ww2

Not be op

[naive patio]

Correct. As long as the tank is balanced then I see no issues with continuing to allow vehicles to cross modes

[analog imp]

The Taran needs the damage to be the same as the cw version

Shouldn't be as it is

[naive patio]

I think it's base concealment should be the same too. Same sized tank after all

But that's for discussing elsewhere

[analog imp]

True

[solar sleet]

What on earth are people worried that might come from CW? The stingray?

[naive patio]

No idea 😂

[solar sleet]

the 4211?? A slow valour with side armour maybe?

but we wont see T72s, T80s,

[naive patio]

Even the 4211 wouldn't make it. It relies on a different armor mechanic that doesn't exist WW2.

[solar sleet]

yes but if you got a valour, and it had a baby with a minute man, you would get exactly that.

the stingray in WW2 would be fine btw

[analog imp]

Plz tell me ur joking

[mortal dagger]

He's not

[analog imp]

Pretty sure a valour doesn't have 170 in the upper plate

Nor all the spaced armor

[coarse oxide]

Per WG. Classic mode can’t have composite armor, smoothbore guns, or recoilless rifles.

As I said earlier there appears to be some confusing exceptions to these rules. That I personally am happy to ignore

[naive patio]

I will defend the T114 with my life (I do not have it yet)

[solar sleet]

oh please, of course im not calling for it. Im just wondering wth people are scared of coming from CW. Yes a valour is a different vehical but functionaly it is the same.

[solar sleet]

Nor the big hole in that upper plate that would be easily sniped in WW2 ranges.

[solar sleet]

I dont see whats "wrong" with it being. Would people be happier if it was a full 1500m/s 370pen? Its a proper skill tank, it wont ruin the MM cause spuds wont get along with with it.

[analog imp]

Ok u can pick a era 1 and I'll pick the 4211 and we'll see how u do😂

[coarse oxide]

im not complaining about that being in the mode either. it technically opens the door...

[solar sleet]

the 4211 holds up era 3. If you have ever tried it

[analog imp]

It's era2💀

[solar sleet]

yes, but it holds up in era 3. Thats how strong it is

[analog imp]

Not in era 3 and why do u want it in ww2

It would be to op

[solar sleet]

oh stop putting words in my mouth and stop arguing like irrational female

[analog imp]

Do u not hear ur self

[solar sleet]

i never said i wanted it in ww2, im just confused what could come from coldwar that is so dam scarry

a leopard with a smige of turret armour?

the 113, oh sorry we just got quite a good version

[analog imp]

"Nor the big hole in that upper plate that would be easily sniped in WW2 ranges."

Ur saying it wouldn't be op in ww2

[mortal dagger]

Are we still arguing about bs

[solar sleet]

im saying it wouldnt be as OP as people would make out.

[analog imp]

Apparently

[mortal dagger]

Lol 😆

[analog imp]

He's saying if the 4211 from era2 would work in ww2

[solar sleet]

what could come from CW that is silly scarry? MM breaking? Nothing really

[mortal dagger]

Nah it 100% would not work in ww2, nothing would pen it

[solar sleet]

Jog on, never said it

[analog imp]

Ur basically saying that

[analog imp]

Exactly my point

[solar sleet]

hey?????????? You go right through a 4211 with 300. 200 even

[analog imp]

477a

[mortal dagger]

Wiesel

[analog imp]

Maybe the back lol

[mortal dagger]

In reality all of era 3 except a couple tanks

[solar sleet]

errrrr, really. When you smurfs want to have a proper conversation. Bump me

[mortal dagger]

You asked the question so we gave an answer

[gilded siren]

These tanks would never even come to ww2

[analog imp]

Leclerc

M1a2

2a5

[mortal dagger]

Just the sheer dpm alone would destroy everything in ww2

[analog imp]

I have more on the list

[mortal dagger]

Amx 40

[solar sleet]

Straight through the drivers hatch, lower plate. Sides, sides of turret. Cap, through the drive wheel

[analog imp]

T72bu

[mortal dagger]

T72av

[analog imp]

K1

[mortal dagger]

292

[solar sleet]

according to these 2 numptys, they might

[analog imp]

Leopard 2kws3

[mortal dagger]

Says the one who asked this

Mbt70

[solar sleet]

But they COULDNT could they?

[analog imp]

Says the guy that thinks a centurion doesn't have 10gd💀

[mortal dagger]

Doesn't matter, you asked so we are answering

[mortal dagger]

And the m103a1

[solar sleet]

that thing would get butchered tier 10. It would be like a bad 705

[mortal dagger]

Nah dude, 400 pen on both atgms and standard would absolutely shred tier 10

[gilded siren]

Highest we got was the taran

[analog imp]

705 is amazing

[mortal dagger]

Oh don't forget only special tanks get more than 9 degrees of GD

[solar sleet]

And its OP cause WGing wanted money - so what

[analog imp]

Fr😂

[gilded siren]

Exactly

Object 120 was the highest tier tank in cold war and it should've been balanced but wg needed money so they made it op

[analog imp]

Oh wait what about the thumper😂

Not op at all

[analog imp]

Fr

[solar sleet]

How about you go down whole List of era 2. Just leave the era3s out of sensible conversation, including the 4211

[mortal dagger]

Nah you asked what was so scarry that could be added out of cw

[analog imp]

4211 is era2🤡

[solar sleet]

Yeah???? so be sensible about it

[analog imp]

Mobat

[mortal dagger]

We are, you asked and we answered

Ignis

Bagel

Rdf

[solar sleet]

and it holds up era 3. So talking about it - isnt sensible

[analog imp]

Armadillo

[solar sleet]

bt25 better

[mortal dagger]

Nah

Not even close

[solar sleet]

is large, easy to hit

[mortal dagger]

So is the bt25 lmao they are the same thing

[solar sleet]

we not going to get ATGMs in ww2 are we?

[analog imp]

Cw version has worse gun

[mortal dagger]

Everything is on the table

Cat

[solar sleet]

what horrid about it?

[solar sleet]

would get butchered

[mortal dagger]

Nah

According to you everything in cw would get butchered by tier 10. For someone who knows everything about cw is dead wrong about it

[solar sleet]

besides, thats an obj 260 adjasent

[analog imp]

He thinks he's know on this game that should be a hint😂

[mortal dagger]

Fr

Trying to argue with him is like arguing with a 2 year old, you get nowhere

[scarlet iris]

We have tier 10's in cold war. None of them are above Era 2.

[mortal dagger]

There's even tier 8s like the t44 in era 1

[solar sleet]

i think a ural fits, but crybaby nay sayers would cry

[scarlet iris]

The T-72 has composite armor.

[analog imp]

"dude, im very well known and i more than hold my own mud in CW."

[solar sleet]

easilly moddled without

[analog imp]

He is best on the game 😂

[mortal dagger]

Don't try to argue with him it's not worth it

[scarlet iris]

It also has a smoothbore gun.

[scarlet iris]

Oh I know that he is very special(stupid).

[solar sleet]

smooth or not makes no difference

[scarlet iris]

Doesn't know how guns work.

[analog imp]

I'll remember that when a tier 1 goes against a 4005

[solar sleet]

ok master, tell us how smooth works better than rifled in game mechcanics

[scarlet iris]

Velocity.

[solar sleet]

thats rifled, it fires HESH - its rifled

[analog imp]

HE

[solar sleet]

there is more misinfomation about guns out there. It a really deep rabbit hole

[solar sleet]

HESH

[analog imp]

HE

I'll send a picture on all of them

[solar sleet]

we have same velocities in era 3, between rifled and smooth

[scarlet iris]

Incorrect.

[solar sleet]

how

[analog imp]

The bu has 1700

A chieftain has 1300

[solar sleet]

and, the k91 has about 1800?

[analog imp]

1700 but lacks as much pen nor damage

And that's apcr

Not a dart round

[solar sleet]

Most older 120s do. That the same L11 valour has, or is it the L1a1. Does it really matter

[solar sleet]

Its a dart, but i believe you mean a "fin"

[analog imp]

That's like asking if heat makes a difference

[scarlet iris]

The fastest dart out of a rifle in the game is the Challenger 2. Premium Round hits 1620. Which is just barely better than the slowest smoothbore dart.

[solar sleet]

Same frakkin gun in a different stage of evolution

[analog imp]

Heat doesn't go through spaced armor

[solar sleet]

and what difference does that make in ww2. L7s already hit 1600ish

[mortal dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-eat-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-3094746547306242594

[analog imp]

Might as well at this point 😂

[solar sleet]

Neither L11 or L1 fire heat

[scarlet iris]

1500 actually.

[mortal dagger]

I might need some alcohol at this point to forget about all this afterwards

[solar sleet]

1568. Aka, 1600 ish

[analog imp]

Im just glad I got tomorrow off

[analog imp]

Not how that works

[scarlet iris]

That's not how rounding up works.

[mortal dagger]

Here we go again rounding up, rounding stats don't accurately make sense

[mortal dagger]

Lol

[solar sleet]

you can correct 1568 down to 1500 and then complain

[mortal dagger]

Nah, 1568 is 1568 not 1500 or 1600

[solar sleet]

errrrr, 1550.0000000001 is rounded up

[analog imp]

Bro can't math😂

[mortal dagger]

Clearly lmao 🤣, and I'm bad at math and can do this with proper logic

[scarlet iris]

Also what L7 is doing 1568 m/s? Even the 103B with the longer barrel only manages 1500 in WWII.

[analog imp]

https://tenor.com/view/nouns-nounish-nounsdao-abacus-counting-gif-16562575250327679873

[solar sleet]

wow you guys got to be not from UK, i was taught this when i was 13.

[scarlet iris]

I pity your teachers.

[mortal dagger]

The problem is these are tank stats, rounding them up makes a massive difference when comparing tanks

[solar sleet]

Id wait for the same buff as leo there, its dreamy

[scarlet iris]

What was that sentence?

[solar sleet]

50m/s make zero difference in real terms

[mortal dagger]

But it does though

[scarlet iris]

200 even more so.

[solar sleet]

the alpha buff.

[analog imp]

@solar sleet what's ur gt bro I gotta know now😂

[scarlet iris]

Only the Leopard exceeds 1600, with premium rounds.

[solar sleet]

Oh, thats no fun.

[analog imp]

I still wanna help u with cw

U seem to be lost

[solar sleet]

I continue letting you lot think im a greenie

[mortal dagger]

Well you act like it very well

[analog imp]

Well u say u are known in the game

So please inform us

[scarlet iris]

It's not the first thing you've been wrong about. Won't be the last I'm sure.

[gilded siren]

You guys have gone completely off topic

[solar sleet]

known, full stop.

[mortal dagger]

Your right lol

[scarlet iris]

I just got here really.

[analog imp]

Pretty much lol

[solar sleet]

Just troll training.

[mortal dagger]

Imagine doing this lmao, pretty sad you are probably new to cw and just don't want to admit it

[solar sleet]

maybe not?

[analog imp]

Of the game in general

[solar sleet]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2114085997

aka raggamuffinreap

[analog imp]

Who?

[solar sleet]

You muppet elitist fools should be ashamed at what you just tried

[mortal dagger]

Ashamed about what lmao

[scarlet iris]

Oh no, he's brought up the Sheirdan again.

[mortal dagger]

Your the one acting like a newbie and trying to troll people for enjoyment

[naive patio]

Glad to see this is still going 😂

[mortal dagger]

Grab some popcorn

[solar sleet]

there is a few more there if you want. Been a gamer longer than most of you been alive. Seen online games come and go. Dev'ed, Modded, tested.

[scarlet iris]

What are you even on about now?

[solar sleet]

silly fools need training

[mortal dagger]

Yeah sure you have, I've seen numerous people say the same thing

[scarlet iris]

Are you really trying to nerd flex right now?

Cringe bro.

[mortal dagger]

He is

[analog imp]

Send pictures of the gold marks

[solar sleet]

i dont need to flex, i just biggest nerd. Big deal

[solar sleet]

i dont gold mark

[scarlet iris]

Lame, but you do you.

[mortal dagger]

One that's been dead wrong about most things today lmfao

Like how much GD the cent mk2 has

[scarlet iris]

He's really wrong about missile facts. Ask me how I know.

[mortal dagger]

Oh I don't need to ask that after what me and @analog imp experienced earlier

[solar sleet]

If your not in the circle that knows its 9.5 in cw, thats on you

[mortal dagger]

LMFAO it's 10 degrees dude

[analog imp]

Fr

[mortal dagger]

You haven't proven any of your bs you've stated

[analog imp]

Bro can't count to 10

[solar sleet]

seen video of wires hanging out of barrel of xm gun launcher. Pretty deep videos, hard to find

[mortal dagger]

FR

[analog imp]

"Video"

[scarlet iris]

Claims to have found videos, does not provide videos. Curious.

[solar sleet]

actually, yes just 1 tbh. It was declassfied stuff some 50 follow fella posted on youtube

[analog imp]

I'm still waiting on the gt

[mortal dagger]

He hasn't proven anything he's said like the 9.5 GD on the cent2

[analog imp]

First it was 9 now a 9.5

[solar sleet]

it has a thin upper. Assume you have 9

[mortal dagger]

And then if it's in ww2 and has 10 degrees and is in cw it HAS to be 9 degrees

[scarlet iris]

MGM-51 was never wire guided. It was not related to the TOW in any way. They were made by different manufacturers. The TOW did not start development until 3 years after the initial test firings of the MGM-51.

[mortal dagger]

Nah you trolling now lmfao

[solar sleet]

Upper plate on a cent 2 aint trolling diddly

[mortal dagger]

The stats don't lie lmao, it has 10 degrees of depression and that's final

[solar sleet]

Man says WGing dont lie. Lol NOOB

[mortal dagger]

Where's your proof

With no proof your the NOOB

[scarlet iris]

Centurion II's gun depression would in no way be affected by the slope of it's upper front plate.

[solar sleet]

the ability to hide it is

[scarlet iris]

What are you talking about?

[mortal dagger]

I don't think he knows

[scarlet iris]

You are likely correct.

[mortal dagger]

IRL the cent 2 has 10 degrees of gun depression therefore you are dead wrong once again

[analog imp]

He got the special nerfed version

[mortal dagger]

Mustve

But anyway I'm off to bed, this bs he spewed has exhausted me lmao 🤣

[analog imp]

Same

[scarlet iris]

I think it's funny.

[analog imp]

It is lol

[gilded siren]

This thread getting deleted gg

[scarlet iris]

Likely.

[sinful flame]

The AP round should be removed (didn't fire it irl), and the HESH pen could be reduced to sub 200.

That would essentially make it way more balanced in era 1, on top of the camo and speed nerfs.

[analog imp]

The gun is fine as it is

Just needs a speed nerf

And it doesn't matter about irl because nothing is realistic in the game

Not even shell drop

[sinful flame]

CW does tend to stick to historical ammo loadouts.

To my knowledge, only the 4005 is firing ammo that it shouldn't.

[analog imp]

Or ww2

[analog imp]

Lot of tanks should change

[flint venture]

remove mostly the french line seeing that most of where made after ww2

[coarse oxide]

The only tree that could go to tier 10 would be Germany. And like arguably the Japanese super heavies. All other trees would end at tier 8. If they were lucky.

Which reinforces why you can’t take CW tanks out of classic mode. It would kill every tree effectively

[flint venture]

what about the leopard 1

[coarse oxide]

30% of That branch is the one exception of the entire tree that would be removed

[solar sleet]

Anything after and including the T54, obj430-ii, US line would stop at pershing. CW arnt coming to WW2 generally. And after the most stupid suggestions of what could come are all above. Your left with very little.

[coarse oxide]

Which is why classic mode extends into the 70s. I never understood why they decided call the mode WW2. It was never about one specific timeframe for one conflict.

[solar sleet]

Well it still was WW2, and would have been had the US had the stones to draw line in sand further east. Eastern europe might have fared better. Ask a lithuanian when WW2 ended. They would say 1980

[coarse oxide]

….im only talking about the game. Not even remotely interested in opening the box that is historical technicalities of history in the mid late 20th century

[solar sleet]

we are being careful and considerate with our topic. But ask anybody from eastern europe what WW2 ended, their answer wont be 1945. Considering half the hardware at those ages was made for that conflict, same conflict in my book. Just cause we cut and run after doing half a job doesnt mean it wasnt happening.

[tall spruce]

Haha 😂 that’s hilarious give wot money?! Are you serious?! They’ve turned this into the most boring game ever. The first day of true vision in wwii during that test will live in my brain rent free. Watching the morons who thought they could hide the giant td in the op behind a small shrub squirm when the rounds started coming in on it. Freaking hilarious. But true vision adds strategy and knowledge of how to play a map. Eek that’s scary. 😂😂

[tall spruce]

I can get behind that but a lot of these tanks have no business being in wwii. Like the T114 is a Cold War tank all day. But it’s whatever they are going to but garbage anyway they want to get a buck. I’ve moved over to WarThunder. It’s a bit to get used to. But you can set the controllers up like this and it plays better.

[gilded siren]

True vision removes all spotting mechanic knowledge and reduces the skill ceiling severely. That's the reason nobody enjoyed it in ww2

Implying true vision adds strategy and knowledge is absolutely delusional and quite frankly I cannot even imagine how you came to that conclusion.

[undone tangle]

The T114 dates to the early 60s, a whole decade earlier than some other tanks in WWII.

I don't see how including it into the WWII mode is more egregious than the Type 59-II or M48A5

[next harness]

The worst one is the chinese bulldog as that's from the 90s