T114 sucks

[frank sand]

This thing has no shell velocity, you will miss any aimed shot at a distance of 400-500m and more, I cannot play it to save my life, it has less Camouflage than a taran and grille despite being 1/3rd of its size, wargaming need to stop making excuses about 'balance' and 'season-pass' tank which means it should be bad? Honestly, go read a history book and tell your special tank advisors to leave because they're is no point having them because this game is not even realistic

It's a shame because on War thunder this tank is an absaloute joy to play and it's represented poorly in world of tanks

@sage sundial

I spent good money, honest money on this game just to get screwed over by a tank that want worth it

Never before has a tank made me so angry

[sturdy palm]

Are you serious WG?

You tell me, that this little thing, has less cammo then a Taran?

I'm not really at tank engineering, but I'm pretty sure that small things are harder to detect then bigger ones

I see what you are doing here, premium tanks offered in a common season pass are utterly garbage, while paid ones are overpower

Lets see for example, 114 SP2, Centauro 45t and Obj 780. Now T114 is the new entry on this

[remote estuary]

Brother what are you smokin

[sturdy palm]

Really?

Tell me then what you think

[remote estuary]

Am I dumb or are you saying all those tanks are bad?(besides the T114)

[sturdy palm]

Yeah, they are inferior considering the current meta

Or in the best scenario, they are just meh

[remote estuary]

How are they not part of the meta when it's a lot of stealth tds and faster mediums. And the 780 is pretty fast for a heavy imo

[autumn nacelle]

And this Is why you don't buy the entire pass on launch

[north badger]

@wheat delta This tank Needs a Super Buff...ASAP...with The Quickness, My Good Sir. This thing is Pure Poo atm !!! 💩 Please let the Overlords know, if you would be so kind. Thank you.

P.s. and I'm somebody that Likes the M50 Ontos at Era 2 !!!

[sturdy palm]

You have a point lol, at this moment, game is utterly broken

[sturdy palm]

This is something similar that happened with tanks like MBT-B, 114 SP2, Centauro and Obj 780

If they are easy/free to get, they are far from meta

Centauro and 114 even got buffed (a practical useless buff, but still)

[reef mural]

oh no, the new premium isnt the best tank in the game, surely it needs a buff

[gusty hazel]

im surprised this many people are already level 100. Personally I like the season pass tanks being mediocre. Due to how cheap they are they will eventually flood the matchmaker. That being said I am very much looking forward to getting this one, its gun seems very unique with its good damage and low velocity.

[sturdy palm]

I mean, the prem tanks that we can get for low prices or even for free are not good, the ones that are paid, like Tarans and AVREs are the issue

If WG is while to give something, atleast not give trash

[sturdy palm]

💸

[reef mural]

No one playing the T114 right now got it for free lol. The tank seems fine. Its a meme tank, high potential with poor usability. If you buff it, its gonna need some hefty nerfs in other areas

[sturdy palm]

You are right lol, except that with time the only price you pay is 2k gold, which is refunded along the season

Technically its "free"

Also yeah you are right in another thing, this tank feels like an E 25, it has potential

But idk why it has less cammo then a freaking Taran

[reef mural]

Simple, because the Taran is broken and is a terrible frame of reference for tank balancing

[sturdy palm]

Yeah you are right

Although, is there a non broken tank that can be compared with?

[reef mural]

There are a couple of 3 round autoloaders. AMX 13 105, Murat, or even something like a Cobra

[sturdy palm]

Nah I mean, TDs with similar levels of cammo

But yeah this thing is a light tank with TD symbol

Which can make it an extra light tank for the team

That said, AMX has more cammo then it

[gusty hazel]

As far as closest playstyle wise probably the AMX 13 105

[frank sand]

T114 is strong at nothing and weak at everything

[sturdy palm]

Being positive here, this tank is one of the fewest that is capable to one clip arties nowadays (ofc if using HE)

570 dmg per shot

with 3 shots

DPM and pen is not bad either

What limitates it is projectile speed

[reef mural]

Good camo, good gun handling, good mobility, good pen on both rounds, an autoloader with pretty low burst time, and a very fast reload. The only downside is the shell velocity and obviously armor.

[sturdy palm]

Sad part is that it cannot handbrake, due to the TD symbol heh

[frank sand]

The camo is bad wdym?

[sturdy palm]

Compared to the broken tanks, indeed

[frank sand]

The camo is good for 90% of the tanks, however the tanks that have better camo are giant TDs with big guns

Which makes 0 sense

[reef mural]

Read my comments above

[sturdy palm]

WG is shameless and senseless anyways

Do not expect anything from the current team

[frank sand]

As I said in the post, why bother bringing in historians and former tankers just to not listen to them

That's just silly behaviour

[gusty hazel]

The t114 is closer to being balanced than a lot of our existing meta tds

[frank sand]

Yeah which is why it's bad lol

But that shell velocity is garbage

[gusty hazel]

calling for a healthy tank to be brought to an unhealthy state is a yikes from me

[sturdy palm]

You said everything

[frank sand]

Well look, it's rubbish and I'm not gonna play it

[sturdy palm]

If WoT PC/Blitz team could take over console, would be nice to see the result

[frank sand]

Can't even hit weakpoints from medium range

[sturdy palm]

Ofc if Blitz gets here we will see a casino thematic, but well, atleast match wise its funnier

[sturdy palm]

I mean, its supposed to be close range

With this kind of shell speed, its an indirect range limitator

In a healthy game, this would mean a close range backstabber

[frank sand]

It's very anti-meta

[sturdy palm]

Yeah, which is good, a variation

[frank sand]

The opposite of the current meta

[sturdy palm]

But well, this is wot console team, don't expect this game to have a healthy atmosphere

[frank sand]

But that's why it sucks, I'm afraid wot is a game where the meta is the only way to play and win battles and do high damage

Which is sad tbh

[sturdy palm]

Issue is not the tank then

Its the entire game where its inserted

and instead just milks the game as its a money cow

I'll never forgive them to ruin such a potential game

[frank sand]

Yeah it's a shame

War thunder better

[sturdy palm]

War Thunder is even worse if you take a look, the same enterprise who created it was a madlad called Gaijin

[frank sand]

At this point why don't game developers just stick to ultra realistic gameplay then no one can complain when something is unbalanced 😂

[frank sand]

Well all tanks fit in the game well, and there hasn't been a time where I say 'i regret buying this tank'

[sturdy palm]

https://youtu.be/BRCtLR7TXbk?feature=shared

This is a video by Sethioz, who showed how Gaijin are scammers and such

[frank sand]

Bring back true vision for ww2

[sturdy palm]

Eh, not a good idea

[sturdy palm]

WG is going to this direction as we talk

[frank sand]

I mean that's crossout

And crossout is just plain smelly

[sturdy palm]

But still, same Gaijin

[frank sand]

Gaijin is god

All pray to the snail

[sturdy palm]

They are worse then WG, believe me

I hope that wot not completely goes to that direction

They are going there, but not reached yet

[frank sand]

Idk man, war thunder is fun and world of tanks gets frustrating so just based of those emotions I know what I prefer

[sturdy palm]

WT and WoT are different games tho, with different proposals

the difference is that Gaijin is smarter at scamming, while WG shows its claws everytime

(atleast for who can see them)

[frank sand]

I'm not sure if I would call anything a scam if anything world of tanks scam me with their rubbish premiums that I've picked up

[sturdy palm]

A little example of scam is what they did with the trading-in event

Panther 8.8 was offered there, and weeks later, they are giving it for free in the season pass

And this was not the first time that they did that

[hybrid valley]

This tank looks perfectly fine, and thank f*** for that

[green ivy]

Camo needs improvement

IMA be optimistic and say their being careful, the last time OP tanks where in season passes gave birth to the centurion AVRE and object 290, of which most people also hate

Its a big balancing game really.

[raw island]

It needs to be added to cw, it doesnt belong in ww2

[sick hollow]

Imo, 3 sec intra-clip reload for 420 alpha is slow(ish)... I'd wish it had 2.5 sec intra-clip reload, it would be more usable. I've not played it yet but according to Petty360's review, it has one other major flaw that doesn't show in it's stats: It has only 160 horsepower engine so it loses a lot momemtum when you hit objects like trees, cars or even when crossing water. However it's worse aspect is it's terrible shell velocity.

[frank sand]

It's an extremely specific vehicle

[sick hollow]

Object 290 is far from being overpowered.

[reef mural]

3s for 420 is fine. Kran has 3s for 400.

[sick hollow]

Kranvagn's intra-clip has always felt bit slow, after you hit enemy they can react and get back to behind ridgeline or corner before you can take next shot. AMX 50B or T57 have no this issue. If intra-clip is over 2.5 sec it feels bit slow... BatChat and Eradicator Caernarvon suffer that same problem. Sure, 3 seconds is by no means terrible, I've played through Italian td line... And even BC 155 58 in it's current form so I know how it feels when your intra-clip reload is abysmal 😬 That said, for paper td that only has 420 alpha 3 seconds feels bit slow. Imo, if WG would buff it's intra-clip reload from 3 seconds to 2.5 and buff shell velocity from 500m per sec to 750 or 850 it wouldn't make this vehicle overpowered, just more usable and enjoyable to play.

[gusty hazel]

13 105 and batchat are 2.73 for 390
Progetto is 2.5 for 360

I'd say 3 for 420 is pretty well on par for a clip

[reef mural]

If they buffed those, they would have to nerf the pen and camo to make it reasonable.

[sick hollow]

I would gladly make that trade.

What's the point of having good camo when you still get spotted when you fire... Or what use is having best in game (WW2 mode) penetration if you can't even hit your shots? I would gladly sacrifice bit of a camo and penetration to gain better shell velocity and better intra-clip reload. 🙂

[hybrid valley]

Lol

[gusty hazel]

Yall talking about the 292 or the 490?

[sick hollow]

I meant Object 292.

[sturdy palm]

This thing called an "Anti-tank" yet it's has worse heat pen than Panserjager...

[sturdy palm]

Actually, it's good to buy it on launch as long as you know that you'll play enough to complete it. You get your gold back from the rewards, so whatever tanks you get, good or bad, are technically free.

[autumn nacelle]

That's not what I meant

He bought the entire pass, all 100 stages within the first few days which is 18k or more gold, it's not worth doing that to get the stage 100 tank because the tank may be bad or good. By the sounds of it it's not very good so spending $70+ on it isn't worth it

[sturdy palm]

Oh, that's a stupid thing to do no matter what. Why pay for something you can just get for free?

[autumn nacelle]

That's my point

[fast raft]

Honestly would have saved him so much money if he would have actually looked at the tanks stats before buying his way to the 100th stage all he shouldve gotten was the 2k gold option much cheaper and you still get the 100th stage tank

[fading knoll]

That's wrong. True vision was added to ww2 for a short period and everyone hated it and that was before Cold war ever existed

[fast raft]

Oh didnt notice then

Ima light main didnt know they did that probably why I was slaped over and over in bushes

[sturdy palm]

Well, just played this tank, yeah it indeed sucks, or atleast I just didn't like it with a big despise

[hearty flint]

how? it was literally my best X that i have tried

[open dirge]

The random tank generator has run out of ideas.

[sick hollow]

Shell velocity makes this vehicle painful to play.

[hearty flint]

i usually use it as light tank and shell velocity is not problem

[sick hollow]

Then you're extremely good at taking lead... Even Petty360 complained how terrible it's 500m per sec shell velocity was 😬

[sturdy palm]

Issue with its bullet velocity is in the tier that this tank is in

Tier 10 generally have above 1000m/s of shell velocity, while this thing have this but divided by 2

[sturdy palm]

Just wait until you try that same gun in cw on the m113 and m50. Where things have over 1500 m/s shell velocity often and also move faster.

[raw island]

Everyone complaining, yet ive 3 marked the M113 (has the same gun)

[sturdy palm]

M113 can use its cammo for approach enemies easier, T114 not have cammo stats for consistently do that

Also theorically you can do a "hulldown" with it, just showing its cannon, so you can avoid shots

[sick hollow]

Are you seriously comparing CW vehicle to WW2 vehicle? 😮 CW enviroment is so different that it just doesn't compare.

[raw island]

Same shell velocity

I believe

Same pain

[sick hollow]

Go on then, go and 3 mark T114 if you think you can make it's gun work in WW2 mode... It's gonna be a whole different level of challenge.

[raw island]

Im not gonna, mainly because i hate ww2 arty, fake prototype tanks, the +2 -2 stuff, you get the point

[sick hollow]

Does M113 also have autoloader?

[raw island]

Nope

Its no joke a gun on a stick

[sick hollow]

Huh... I have learned to live with all those things you mentioned. I even made peace with arty many years ago and my game experience has been much calmer, less stressfull after that 🙂

[green ivy]

CW is worse because tanks are faster in era 2 cold war than tier 10 WW2, even the heavies and it only gets faster in era 3 due to them basically being MBT's

And thus shell velocity is either as bad if not worse on the m113

That being said

Its a tech tree tank (free if you have time to grind)

So take it as it is

[raw island]

Just finished the season, played the T114. Its a good bit of fun to play

The Small Block Chevy 283 jet propels it🤣

https://tenor.com/view/icecolds-chevrolet-engine-gif-12744824

[autumn nacelle]

Just finished the season tonight and honestly other then the terrible shell velocity it's quite fun to play

My first ever match in it and it's not terrible

[raw island]

Everyone complains about the shell velocity, i kinda like the derp style firing

I recon it doesnt hurt i play the CW M113 religiously 😂

[autumn nacelle]

I don't mind it the way it is since it takes patience to play it but a velocity buff would be nice

Maybe bring it to 700m/s as an idea

[raw island]

Yea

I do love the autoloader tho

18 seconds for 3 shots doing 420-460+ its a great gun!

Minus the velocity

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-bullet-reflection-gif-17898455

[autumn nacelle]

I like everything else about the tank

[sick hollow]

I don't play CW.

[raw island]

Ngl, its a fun gamemode, but be careful what tanks you play because of op premium stuff

For reference just dont use s M4A3E8 if you know youre gonna go against a M48A2🤣

[sick hollow]

I will not play CW, as long as there's True Vision, unbalanced gameplay and horrible lemmingtrains at eras 2 and 3. And more modern tanks are ugly and they do not interest me much anyway. Only reason for me to play CW would be if WG would add achievements/trophies that you could earn only in CW mode. But I'll doubt that they'll ever add new achievements since they have not done so since mercenaries update... And that was back in 2018.

[raw island]

Alr, enjoy getting shelled by a prototype artillery piece, and getting shot from a mile away by a E25