#Nerf the CW FV4005

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turbid pond
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Please nerf the FV4005 to make era 1 more enjoyable and also to make new players play longer. You don’t want to see someone who has just downloaded the game quit in the next day because they get one shotted by the FV4005 every time they take their bottom tier tank into a battle right? (That literally happened to my friend)

I average 5k per game in the FV4005 while my average damage for other era 1 tanks is 2,5k to 3k per game. It also has the highest mark requirement, beating some era 2 tanks. Apart from damage, it has excellent concealment with great speed that can get you out of trouble easily, not to mention the HESH penetration is enough to penetrate a well armored medium tank or even a heavy. The amount of 4005s per team is also a problem. All of these factors combined makes it very OP.

tiny estuary
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They need to learn NOT to go out into the open, & it doesn't matter if it's the 💩barn or any other tank, because if you run out there into the open you Will die.
Also, they can get 1 shotted by anything if whatever hits them ammo racks them.

slow palm
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Nerf how many TD's per battle. And at the same time how many lights. Balance.

maiden olive
turbid pond
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The barn is the most OP tank in era 1 for sure.

slow palm
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Yes its good, and when there's more than 1 per side its a problem. However at the moment with the current contracts wanting TD's and Lights we can't see the forest for the trees. I would prefer WG to look at Contract Tank type required or balance the match making so we don't get 5 plus TD's and lights per game. When things calm down adjust from there. Platoons of 3 Barns also doesn't help.

high condor
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tiny estuary
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I haven't had big issues with it. Yes it hurts whenever you do get hit by it but I don't run into that type of situation that many times. I've killed those things before & I have been killed by them too, not to mention other types of tank. But honestly most players today don't use common sense, they just run out in the open so obviously they won't last long.

@high condor it works fine for me, I don't have issues with it.
I mean they did create 1 & all that, & as the game's name says it all, World of Tanks. I mean WG will add it, even if it was just a simple blueprint.

high condor
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turbid pond
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The 4005 is the most OP tank in era 1

tiny estuary
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I mean really, all you need in the game is common sense. The fact you think I'm clowning around because I really don't have a problem using my head to either find a different way to attack/flank or etc against a 💩barn is funny. I've seen others cause chaos to the 4005s. The problem with them recently is that the contracts that WG put out required TDs for the entire stages which sucks.

turbid pond
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It’s just a fact

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The FV4005 itself is a big problem. The TD contract just made it worse.

tiny estuary
fierce rose
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Dont nerf the FV4005 itself, just the amount pf them per team

high condor
scenic storm
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Put 4005 in era 2 just like the obj 120 is in era 2

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I feel it would be more balanced there

turbid pond
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No there’s the rock crawler in era 2

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Just nerf the crap out of it and keep it in era 1

fierce rose
slow palm
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2⬆️

glacial moat
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ERA 2 it.

outer mirage
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buff cw fv45 it's not good

tiny estuary
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What do you expect from a TD with a HUGE gun, to do small damage? No, that's not how it works... a TD with a gun like that is obviously going to do a lot of damage.. so therefore when coming up against it it IS obviously going to hurt a lot if you get hit by it, that's not rocket science, just like it isn't rocket science for anyone to understand that the gun in the FV107 isn't going to do a lot of damage to you because it has a tiny gun...
Obviously things are never always the same way, there's always going to be some factors for everything. I never said that they were always going to be the same.
Yea it kills more often because it's being used more, because of the contracts that WG put out so ofcourse your going to see a lot more of them out there getting kills because the amount of them being used flooded the servers before because people want to earn a free tank.. before that there weren't that many on games, ofcourse you'd get some games where you'd get 3 or 4 but it wasn't always as constant as it was recently for obvious reasons.
But at the end people are always going to complain about everything. Any tank with a big & powerful gun is always going to be a threat, just like any fast, heavily armored tank, or concealable tanks will be in it's own way. Don't see anything wrong with it even though I have been killed by it before because it's a TD with a huge gun so obviously it isn't going to be good...
& no I'm not "cLoWnInG aRoUnD", you basically are the 1 all because I don't agree with what you think.

high condor
turbid pond
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The number per game doesn’t make a tank balanced or unbalanced

high condor
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turbid pond
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The 4005 is OP it’s just facts

fierce rose
short patrol
fierce rose
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Look, i agree that the FV4005 needs some nerfs, but some people are wanting it to got 38kph top speed, and make its gun 0.52accuracy and make its reload abysmal

quaint siren
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Hes a troll if you seach deep you can find threads where he actually has problems with 4005 in threads where people thought it wasnt strong enough

Read every thread when ever players ask for anything he is talks the opposite

A clown/troll
I bet his giggling while writing these bs

turbid pond
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The 4005 tank itself is overpowered. The number per team just makes it worse.

dire thunder
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The FV4005 is played so much because it is so powerful. That is why there is so many per team and per match.

orchid robin
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A 183mm gun has always hit that hard, like it or not that's how it's gonna stay. It's like this in ww2 as well and it's very similar on pc

quaint siren
orchid robin
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That makes it even more "op" then since it can hide and snipe you just like the Taran can

tiny estuary
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It's not about what you care, it's about the fact that the design of the tank. & since when has anything in WoT been "fair"? When you get many games that are 1 sided most the time. I wasn't even talking about the kd, I was saying that since the contracts that WG put out there has been an Obvious spike with people using them.

Ohh how ironic, I lack reason & logic when you are talking about a TD that literally hits hard due to the massive gun it has. I think you might just be a little but delulu there with that 1.

tiny estuary
quaint siren
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Troll.

maiden olive
# dire thunder The FV4005 is played so much because it is so powerful. That is why there is s...

If you saw my my post up there, or where ever it is, that's Exactly what I was saying ! There are players who's current career in the game is Nothing but seal clubbing in that tank, for the most part, that's nearly all they play. They figured out the broken sweet spot, that where they are able to "Thrive" without arta and missiles and are Completely "gaining the system". It's rinse and repeat for a given period of time each day for them.

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Thing's such a Mennace that the NM 116 Panszerwagon isn't broken anymore. How did they pull that off, in the 2 years that I stopped playing Era 1 ?

turbid pond
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Era 1 is a joke right now. 5 barns on each team and 3 of them are in a platoon

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The FV4005 is probably the easiest tank to fix in the game because it has got a WW2 counterpart which is balanced. Just make the cw one a slightly better version of the ww2 one

outer rapids
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They look comparable, 4005 in CW is adjusted for speed and vision. Yeah it is terrible that new players need to play against them, say for new players do +1 in MM instead of +2. So a T-44 doesn't see a 4005 until it gets to a T-54. Other then that there is always some tank at every tier that can put some boom in that tier/era. Don't get me wrong I don't like getting shot by one of them or like seeing them like 6 on the enemy team but that's Era1, hopefully my team will have the same amount.

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quaint siren
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Just dont play era 1

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tiny estuary
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@outer mirage
Oh God here we go again, you really do lack much more than I thought.... It doesn't take someone with less than half a brain to understand what you were saying but regardless of what you said I replied with my response because of the fact that hey, that tank has a powerful gun, it's going to ofcourse have an advantage over other guns... no 💩. Ok, it may be "annoying" boohoo, it is what it is at the end of the day, a TD that has a B. I. G. gun, it's still going to do what it does simply because that's what it was designed to do.

turbid pond
outer mirage
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i started CW just before the leopards came out, it’s been a joke for years

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and it’s not just the 4005 though it massively needs a mobility nerf

orchid robin
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Tbh with the new medium contract era 1 is less populated by 4005s

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There's 2 games in a row with only one 4005 per team

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orchid robin
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Now it could possibly use a slight speed nerf to 50km/h base with all engine upgrades

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But that's about it really

slow palm
orchid robin
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I'm ok with mediums

slow palm
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On balance Mediums are OK. But I think the roster above highlights the effort of Contracts on MM.

quaint siren
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Its filled with meds cuz of the contract

orchid robin
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I'd rather my team be mediums then a bunch of tds, st least mediums move most of the time

tiny estuary
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Lol, & you think whatever you say has anything of "value" simply because you don't like the fact how the tank is? Please, lol... You should be the 1 to get out of here in since all this began all because you couldn't take it that someone else disagrees. This isn't a place for you if you are going to get that sensitive.
Maybe next time don't get so upset when someone disagrees or reacts to something online champ.

tiny estuary
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It's very ironic that you even bring up anything to do with maturity seeing as how you have literally been affected by the sole fact that I disagreed, down voted, & reacted to a topic on a GAME. That & you have continually responded & reacted to all this which is something that doesn't really affect anyone in any profound way. So for a while I've been seeing your level.
Also, saying "lol" doesn't define anyone to have any type of level of maturity, I just think it's hilarious how long this has gone for.
Lastly, I know... some people want it changed & etc. But why does that even matter? It doesn't change the fact that I & others like myself are ok with it & have no issues with the 4005.

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Which argument are you referring to?

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Also, you do disagree with me saying it's ok, so part of it is also disagreeing.

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I never said it did.

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When did I say that?

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I just said that I don't have a problem with it so where does it ever say that I'm affected by it?

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Why are you??
I can be here because I can say that it is ok, I don't have to have a problem with it I can still say anything about it just like anyone else can?

orchid robin
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The 4005 isn't even a major problem now since the match maker is flooded with mediums now

tiny estuary
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Yea, it's the contract that usually starts problems lol.

quaint siren
# tiny estuary Lol, & you think whatever you say has anything of "value" simply because you don...

Lol, & you think whatever you say has anything of "value" simply because you don't like the fact how the tank is? Please, lol... You should be the 1 to get out of here in since all this began all because you couldn't take it that someone else disagrees. This isn't a place for you if you are going to get that sensitive.
Maybe next time don't get so upset when someone disagrees or reacts to something online champ.

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I mean who you think you are to talk to people like that ...

tiny estuary
quaint siren
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Treating each other with disrespect over our gaming beliefs is just horrid

tiny estuary
# quaint siren Hes also wrong

I don't disagree with you on that. But at the same time if anyone says anything to me in any type of way I will respond.
Similar to how you did at some point, but if I remember correctly I told you that you don't know my experience or something with the 4005 & I don't think it went past that, not that I remember.

quaint siren
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Well i dont remember starting anyfights with you recently

tiny estuary
rotund jewel
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orchid robin
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zealous zealot
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🌽

fierce rose
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short patrol
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🥖

quaint siren
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🙄🔫

rotund jewel
orchid robin
fierce rose
calm thunder
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The CW FV4005 might be or might not be OP but that is not the point.

Pound for pound It has the highest alpha in CW by a ridiculous amount. An era 3 tank would have to hit for 3000 damage a shot just to be comparable.

It's toxic and it destroys the new player experience. For that it could use some adjustments. At tier X it's reasonable to expect players to have the awareness to avoid it. It's pretty silly to expect that from brand new players and punishing them for being new by getting 1 shot. It's not a great experience.

whole steppe
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Nerf the fv4005 it’s too overpowered it can one shot most of the tanks in era 1

quaint siren
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Curse the day op tds got the meta

slow palm
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I've been cursing since downgrade 6.0

turbid pond
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A friend of mine quit the game because of it

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When he took his m46 or t44 into a battle, he gets killed by a 4005 8/10 games

outer rapids
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Not that's it was meta (but a lot of folks got it for the boom stick) but in 2014 it was the deathstar -183, one shotting tanks

iron epoch
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The point is that the FV4005 can simply shoot all over the map like a laser and smash everything that comes in front of it with hesh. You don't even need skill for that, just autoaim and boom your target is gone. There are often more than 3 of them on each side. No matter how well you play your tank and go hulldown etc. it doesn't matter because the FV will still hit you. The stealth value and speed simply don't fit either. If you're in reload, you'll simply speed up an ram everything to pieces. In my opinion this thing is simply too strong for Era 1 and belongs in Era 2.

outer rapids
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To a point that's true, if you have a tank with turret armor and can hull down you can bounce some shots. The gun is a little derpy.

outer rapids
high condor
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outer rapids
# high condor One message removed from a suspended account.

I couldn't fit the video in here so I had to cut it down, I was shooting at at 4005 and another tank (both unspotted) on the other side-hit the 4005 2 times, the 4005 bounced on me twice, so I was showing that if you hull down with a 5/1, or any good turret tank it won't pen. We both were peeking and shooting at each other. ---Yeah I was a little slow in my peeks due to trying to find the 4005.......lol

real kestrel
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Lets hope you not playing that tank then, since you say its op. That would be the most gentle to do if yo think its unfair.

turbid pond
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I think it’s OP doesn’t mean I won’t play it.

real kestrel
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I thought you was a polite guy who would like to spare new players from loosing their will to play this game with to many of those tanks around... How wrong was l.😎👍🏻

real kestrel
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The grown ups has given a clow to my post.👍🏻

orchid robin
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Bruh says the one who literally has personal issues with everyone who play these tanks. Nobody tries to tell you what to play or how to play so why do you do it to others

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So let me get this right, your judging a singular person because of a clan he's in. How low do you have to go to be that rude to someone or how butthurt are you that you gotta do that

fierce rose
real kestrel
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Guess that if you call your clan atgm, its a indicator on what you like to play.

orchid robin
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Nah there's clan names much worse like the wiesel clan, also just because a clan name is something some people like yourself don't like doesn't mean that's all this clan plays,

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Toby nah, I'm in the same clan and like to play all types of tanks so clan names mean nothing

real kestrel
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And your clan stats really indicate its an overweight on exactly that kind of vehicles.

orchid robin
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And who cares

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It's not affecting you

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That's besides the point (so was my comment about there being worse clans) judging people based off a clan name is pretty sad when you don't know these people or what they actually like to play. Just because @turbid pond loves to play the wiesel doesnt mean he doesn't like to play other tanks

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People can say things that aren't true, if you ask toby and his clan they will tell you I only play the wiesel and nothing else meanwhile I play many other cw tanks and ww2

real kestrel
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So we are goons now??

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Love it, but as l remember you have around 2k games in a wiesel??

orchid robin
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And

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What's your point

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Oh wait there isn't one

real kestrel
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Squirrel has about 4k l think, might be mistaken

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Point is you playing different tanks.. Taking my words now.. Lovley

orchid robin
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if I put all my other tanks together in my top ten tanks for battles I have way more then nearly 2k battles in other tanks and only 2 of those tanks fire atgms

real kestrel
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And the amount you in the atgm clan play rockets.. Thats my point if l might point it out.

orchid robin
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And it's apart of the game so people can play whatever they want and the fact your trying to tell people not to play them or "play a real tank" is sad.

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Also bad news but the wiesel is also a real tank so by you saying that is meaning nothing

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I've done decent in them just not recently, I've also done pretty good in the vt2 recently with nearly 10k combined

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Yes

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I wish I could do that haha

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I don't play the Leo's often anymore, the 2a5 I'll play from time to time same with the 2av and vt2. As for marking tanks I don't bother trying for them on any tank except the type 773, if I get them sweet but I don't stress over them

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I recently 2 marked the fv107 with 9k combined

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Thats fair, the only 3 marks I have is the thumper and m46

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I was close to 4 marking the thumper but I gave up on it

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Nice

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Ignoring the wiesel the only other atgm tank in my top 10 is the mbt 70 which isn't even that good

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turbid pond
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I have 7 three marked tanks besides the Wiesel and countless two marks

high condor
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real kestrel
turbid pond
real kestrel
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Its a part of what you team mate started

zealous zealot
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End meeee

lone knot
uncut condor
turbid pond
turbid pond
uncut condor
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I don’t see how you have seven 3 marked tanks if you aren’t including the wiesel

turbid pond
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I’ve gold marked the Wiesel which is also a 3 mark

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I have 7 in total

uncut condor
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Can you list them

turbid pond
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Pardon me asking but do you have short term memory loss

uncut condor
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You have 6 not 7

turbid pond
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Can you just stop I have 7 I can list them if I want but that’s not the topic

uncut condor
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I’m just pointing out a fact that’s all

turbid pond
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If you want to discuss the 4005 issue feel free to say anything, if you have nothing better to say then shut up, cause this thread is for the 4005

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If you have any personal issues with me or my clan, please PM me. This is a public thread about the Fv4005, not a place for you to leave your personal opinions about me.

uncut condor
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And my wiesel thread wasn’t a place for you to share your opinions about me. That thread got locked because of you and your friend.

real kestrel
turbid pond
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So you guys think the fv4005 is balanced

real kestrel
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No

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But that was not a part of my post.. I responded to a side track on the tred

turbid pond
real kestrel
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No its not all you need to know, you take it out on me for my response on a post here. Read the text before you criticizes anybody

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I think most people find the fv4005 op..

outer mirage
lone knot
uncut condor
rotund jewel
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You're*

turbid pond
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You’re*

orchid robin
fierce rose
uncut condor
orchid robin
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You started it

uncut condor
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Turning things around as normal

real kestrel
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Victim as always... We stop posting before it was stopt.

outer mirage
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it only takes one of you to shutup to end the argument

orchid robin
real kestrel
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😇😇

orchid robin
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Even if we have civil convos they come in and start crap because that's all they know

real kestrel
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Always an angel your are you sweet thing

orchid robin
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And then they attempt to say it's everybody else while it's them

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Like they are now

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Oh and all of this is because I shot them in a tank game

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Which is the most pathetic thing ever

uncut condor
real kestrel
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You just cant stop trying to convince everybody that we are so bad and you are so good. How long can you really keep this on.

orchid robin
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At least I tell the truth

uncut condor
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That’s a joke

orchid robin
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Also your no better

outer mirage
orchid robin
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But as you mentioned I'll be the bigger man and shut up about them now and you'll see they will continue

real kestrel
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Squirrel ended this, but you just keep on going man..

outer mirage
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wait i know you atgm folk now

orchid robin
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Anyway the most the 4005 could use for a nerf is a speed nerf

outer mirage
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often platooning in wiesels i think

orchid robin
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I hardly play the wiesel anymore

outer mirage
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it’s still no fun being hit but im@happy with the wiesel as it is now that you can’t run into anything

orchid robin
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The 4005 should maybe be 48-50km/h top speed with max speed equipment and all upgrades, that way its still a little faster then the ww2 version but not stupid quick

outer mirage
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i find lights worse than FV in era 1

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at least it’s big for new players to hit

orchid robin
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Yeah that's true maybe a slow down of the lights top speeds as well only in era 1

outer mirage
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slow down the pace of era 1 to tier 10 type speeds

orchid robin
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I'd say just slightly faster then tier 10 that way it feels different but I agree with slowing it down

turbid pond
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The FV4005 needs a speed nerf and a small camo nerf

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Basically make it a slightly better version of its ww2 counterpart.

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Reduce its speed to 48 maxed out and camo to 250 maxed out is how I would fix it

orchid robin
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The problem with the camo isn't the tank itself but the camo net equipment

wet prairie
orchid robin
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I think the first thing is to nerf camo net on tds then go from there

calm thunder
orchid robin
left lily
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What s the point of this discord and "feedback" when they never listen to anything reasonable

outer rapids
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I’m sure the see and read the feedback. However doing something requires them to put resources on it. It’s hard when you have stuff planned out with those resources on it or other priorities.

left lily
real kestrel
outer rapids
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I think it’s a Cw issue. For instance you can copy and paste the ww2 version and the camo will probably re-adjust with a camo bonus with net and smoke due to Cw. Then the engine is upgradable to that fast speed. So Wg has to readjust a few things to make this happen which will affect other things and make them probably broken.

iron epoch
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The worst thing about it is the point that the FV can easily snipe over the whole map via autoaim and then hit you with 1000+ damage. That's why they often stand around in the base for the whole game and shoot from there.

dire thunder
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Era 1 is awful with 4 FV4005s per side.

Pick a nerf any nerf

turbid pond
dire thunder
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Era 1 FV4005 changes:

Upgrade level 3, suspension-
Traverse Speed 34-->32, Terrain Resistance 0.8/0.9/1.7-->0.85/0.95/1.8

Upgrade level 7, Rolls-Royce Griffon
Top Forward Speed 56.3-->48.3

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Stock Gun-
Rate of fire 1.88-->1.78
accuracy 0.40-->0.42
accuracy during rotation 2.16-->2.45
accuracy during movement 4.67-->4.90
Aim Time 2.7-->3.1

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Top Gun-
Rate of Fire 2.0-->1.88
accuracy 0.38-->0.40
accuracy during rotation 2.05-->2.25
accuracy during movement 4.44--4.90
Aim Time 2.5-->3.0

turbid pond
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WG please listen ^

outer mirage
dire thunder
# outer mirage where's camo nerf?

The issue with its camo is more that the Concealment equipment is extremely powerful for TDs in CW. here are the flat bonuses they give for different classes:

lights- 46.5M
mediums- 69.75M
TDs- 139.5M

as you can see TDs get a massive bonus compared to other classes. That equipment should be changed.

TDs- 139.5M-->93M

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Maybe even:

lights- 46.5M
mediums- 69.75M-->46.5M
TDs- 139.5M-->69.75M

quaint siren
dire thunder
quaint siren
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Smoke shouldnt add camo at all imo