Tank Balance Patch Overdue

[sleek basin]

The last round of changes was all the way back on August 1st of 2023 and there are still a handful of tanks that are considered overpowered/underpowered by the community. The lack of changes is making the game feel stale where the same tanks have routinely remained top picks. We were told as far back as September that some tanks have been identified to recieve changes during Q&As yet there havent been any for half of a year (I will list the tanks and their dates mentioned below). I get that a perfect balance is hard to achieve and still some tanks would become meta but WG needs to be more willing to make these changes even if it leads to a temporary imbalance.

Since posting we got some changes to the german heavies, 215b, and HE for CW tanks on March 26th 2024. None of the tanks here were touched.

On September 15th it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

[formal meadow]

No

[wet osprey]

Have they happened yet? Must be upcoming

Wait for more details in future stream

[sleek basin]

[wet osprey]

We still have time

[sleek basin]

I dont

[sleek basin]

I recall hearing that the next season's content has its dates finalized so I am hoping that we can get a hint if perhaps a tank balance patch made it in there.

[sand veldt]

They technically were in November.

The AT-15 got its horrid mantlet weak spot removed.

[daring mist]

There s no balance in this game and it seems devs re fine with it

[quartz thistle]

Pay to win forever 💸💸💸

[quaint vine]

Well maybe they have more out of balance tanks to introduce 1st is my guess..... Then they can rebalance all the existing tanks in the game compared to the OP tanks released. Seems to be working great so far? Less I'm way off on my 8 year observation?

[quartz breach]

Ah yes please buff the rinoceronte!!!!!!

[scenic drum]

Real

[formal meadow]

The game is balanced

[sleek basin]

kinda tough that Q&A segments of the Dev Stream arent getting posted in the discord anymore. No idea if any other tanks have been named recently or if this has been addressed on stream. Buuuuuuuuut given how long its been since a balance patch I am just gunna assume nothing new

[scenic drum]

Yeah no Q&A is crazy

[maiden sierra]

Join the Reddit- it is posted there

[sleek basin]

I aint doin allat. Just gunna have to hope the reddit peoples add on to the list i guess

[scenic drum]

Why would I do that when they have an official discord server

Makes no sense

[maiden sierra]

Just trying to give you guys options….

[sleek basin]

Happy Six Month anniversary to some of the Sturmtiger line getting attention in a future update! 🥳

[wet osprey]

I am from the future

The update is in the future

[sleek basin]

Respectfully... nuh uh

[wet osprey]

You're not seeing it man future

Think about it

The future

It's all linked

[sleek basin]

[sleek basin]

Imagine we don't get a balance patch with the next season. Hit that 10 months of no balance patch by the end of the season

[thin trellis]

Good point. Why is it not posted here? Obviously someone has done it if it's on Reddit. I don't understand why it was stopped.

[sleek basin]

Yeah certainly makes it harder to keep track of what tanks have been listed for changes. Gunna be relying on people who are able to see the stream to provide info

[thin trellis]

QNA summary

Why is the garage wheel nation order not the same as the filter? - No current plans to change that, the filter list could use a good slew of improvements. Will make a ticket for that.

Is it possible to add the reload timer to alternate guns not in use? - The 2 guns had a unique reticle made to allow the user to easier see the reload status. Much of the double barrel system was built on multi weapon system. There was intent to have better reload indicators for the whole multi weapon system. This is a discussion i had with the UX designer. I comes down to what is a good way to show this, without over cluttering it with say a tank with 3 guns.

(Zorin - bit of a longer answer)

Any plans to add a filter for the tank stats page? - We have an active task, and coming this year.

What is the WW2 line coming in April? - No details yet.

When is the banana buster contract coming? - No plans currently

Any plans to celebrate national holidays for every country? - We do our best to try to have some acknowledgment. There is a good amount conflicting holidays with each other and our own internal big events, and IP collaborations.

Any updates to the PBRS? Ribbons and medals coming down? - No details, but i did talk with our UX designer on this topic, with on going discussions and evaluations.

(Simi Important) Have you tested AI bots? - Bots are tested everyday, we have our own internal playtest with bots. Our AI engineer is always improving it every season, adding more rules and stuff. We have a AI oversight that's sorta like a dungeon master, that tracks every tank in battle. The job of this oversight is to see where the battles are happening, where are players. It assigns bots their role and their area of patrol. Also assign select bots to accompany players who go off on their own. Bots will try to stick with players in groups of 3. From user perspective, you can say make bots smarter. Thing is with the AI oversight and understand that this is based on the “dungeon master” who knows where everything is, we have to tune the bots so they are not terminators. Early in developments bots they knew where players were and bee lined to them with perfect accuracy, so a lot of our AI tunning is to make them closer to Player level of performance. You might recall in CW with TV, Bots use to all target the first player spotted visually and thats something we had to dail back. Smoke consumables was also something we had to tune on with bots being too strong at blind firing smoke.

(Zorin - Thank you for this long and cool answer.)

Its more than this by way of example, to much text?

[sleek basin]

We must have hope

[sleek basin]

I'm going to lose my mind if the reason we don't get a balance patch next season is because of a new WW2 line

[scenic drum]

They said today on stream that a new balance update is coming next big patch I thought

[sleek basin]

Big if true. It would be nice if they would post that info somewhere

[sleek basin]

I would expect that these changes would make it in if there is one coming

[sleek basin]

Well I guess here is to hoping for some news in the Friday stream

[formal meadow]

There won't be

[quartz thistle]

More items to decorate your garage, sexy 3d commander and a new tank was 3 broken. 🤡

[sleek basin]

On September 15th it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

On March 22nd, the Double Tap and Jgpz 4-5 identified as underperforming.

[sleek basin]

And none of these tanks made it into the balance patch 😐

[sleek basin]

Just want to bump up so the list doesn't get lost. It would be nice if WG would change tanks they have identified as needing changes in a timely manner

Half of this list is now about 6 months old

[sleek basin]

Oops missed the 6th month anniversary of the promised t110e5 change. Nice to see that's now half a year old with absolutely no clarification on what/when anything will happen

[dim moat]

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[raw forge]

Where is e50m, 15/16, stb 1, 121b, 140,

[sleek basin]

I dont know if those were ever specifically mentioned by WG on stream. If you can give me a date they said they would be changing them I'll add em on

Not making it a balance discussion just listing the ones that WG themselves said they would change

[raw forge]

Unlucky

[wraith osprey]

I hope we'll at least get a balance Patch with the start of every season going forward.

It doesn't have to be a full line each time, but there are enough outliers to improve the overall balance.

[sleek basin]

More frequent balance patches would be fantastic. I think it would be best if they first addressed the most complained about tanks and then worked their way down from the top tiers

[sleek basin]

Just gunna bump this list back down again:

On September 15th it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

On March 22nd, the Double Tap and Jgpz 4-5 identified as underperforming.

Tier 10 balancing would be incredibly appreciated 👀

[sleek basin]

nerfs to overperforming tanks would also be accepted looking specifically at Taran with that

[wraith osprey]

Wiesel and Obj.477 Molot say "hi"

[sleek basin]

Yeah those as well. I always jump to Taran tho cuz its so easy to compare it to tanks like the Grille.

[granite idol]

It's pretty sad we can't even get buffs for the tanks that WG have already admitted need them, let alone those they think are fine because the like 10 people still playing them are managing a 50% win rate

[daring mist]

Pls elaborate

[wet osprey]

Holy reaction farm

[formal meadow]

Hilarious to think some of these players have the tag [REAL1] yeah there ain't nothing real about yall ngl

I will remember this act of betrayal

[wet osprey]

Daaaamn

[formal meadow]

💯

Thanks both yall for informing me of this

[sleek basin]

(Do it again)

[formal meadow]

How's that bait?

Im being serious

[sleek basin]

Reposting till it gets addressed fr:

On September 15th it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

On March 22nd, the Double Tap and Jgpz 4-5 identified as underperforming.

[scenic drum]

Bro downvoted this

[sleek basin]

Based

[scenic drum]

Double tap underperforming is insane tho

I’ve seen my buddy drop multiple 10k games in that

That tank puts out so much damage idk even know

[sleek basin]

I never played it and have only fought like 2 of em. No idea how the thing does tbh

Also not sure why the E5 was mentioned but uh, it's what they said 🤷‍♂️

[scenic drum]

E5 I understand. It’s a tech tree and it’s not played much.

Cupola on top is mega easy to hit

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[sleek basin]

Fr tho get the Rino a buff already. Like that is such a tragic tank.

Heavy tank mobility, medium tank armor, and the dpm of a tier 8

[formal meadow]

@granite idol

[scenic drum]

Your downvote seems to speak otherwise

[granite idol]

Yupp, that's me

[limpid ivy]

Ive heard on my extended an distinguished grape vine the 7/1 got its top turret stealth fixed but i dont want to spend another 4mil testing it. If anybody can confirm it did?

[scenic drum]

What does that even mean

Top turret?

What is a top turret and what was wrong with it before and what’s fixed about it now?

[scenic drum]

Typical downvote with no explanation. Very valuable input thank you almighty cope man

[amber geyser]

Can we get a small 277 armor buff then? Just enough that the upper section of the upper glacias can bounce some more shots?

@sleek basin what’s your thoughts on the 277?

[sleek basin]

Worse than the IS-7 but anyways the point of this thread is more that WG needs to follow through on the list of tanks they promised changes to

[amber geyser]

This is true

[sleek basin]

Referring to this ofc
Reposting till it gets addressed fr:

On September 15th, 2023 it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th, 2023 the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th, 2023 the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, 2024 the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

On March 22nd, 2024 the Double Tap and Jgpz 4-5 identified as underperforming.

Sturmtiger line got mentioned so I started paying attention

[limpid ivy]

The big hole that pretends to be a turret that tier 3s go through.

[amber geyser]

Might want to include years on those dates now that it is going on so long

[sleek basin]

honestly good point, we are only 4 months from a year

[amber geyser]

[limpid ivy]

top turret? Errrr, the turret you unlock last, the one that is needed for L7.

[sleek basin]

Kind of a crazy concept that announced upcoming balance changes need to have a year on their date 😂

And i still cant believe that none of these tanks were included in the last patch. We waited 8 months for that one to drop and it was a dozen ww2 tanks (mostly useless changes) and then good HE additions for CW

[amber geyser]

No kidding. The legalese is on WG side but this just makes it bad PR for them. You could start a Reddit and Facebook campaign posting on the official pages of this too

And just post every week or something

[sleek basin]

Not really a point. Nothing that the social media manager is going to be able to do

[dim moat]

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[scenic drum]

Still no explanation

[amber geyser]

Even ping them and the community on twitter maybe.

The point is that the community is going to see it, it may impact the number of purchases , then WG will do something about it

[dim moat]

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[scenic drum]

Your downvote

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[scenic drum]

So the e5 does need a buff

[dim moat]

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[amber geyser]

Pls move this ^^^ out of the thread — side convo

[formal meadow]

No

[dim moat]

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[sleek basin]

Seen that the community is incapable of organizing for changes they want. The most supported threads on here got ignored.

[amber geyser]

This is true

[scenic drum]

Why doesn’t it need a buff

That means your downvote isn’t sarcasm.

[formal meadow]

Side conversation in thread chat

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[sleek basin]

I aint gunna complain, keeps it at the top of the feedback page fr 😂

[amber geyser]

E5 has the dpm and maneuverability , but the egg is the downside, also has the advantage / disadvantage of a boat shaped hull

[scenic drum]

Even tho your downvote coincides with your beliefs about the e5 not needing a buff?

Interesting coincidence

[dim moat]

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[amber geyser]

The irony

[amber geyser]

||The profile name of the guy your talking to||

[scenic drum]

Bros afraid to say my name

[amber geyser]

No, just point out the irony of it ilovedepression

[scenic drum]

What’s the irony of it?

[amber geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/ups-error-facepalm-gif-15403364

[dim moat]

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[amber geyser]

His comment and your username

[scenic drum]

Care to explain?

[amber geyser]

Bro

“You must be sad irl”

Username: “ilovedepression”

[formal meadow]

Bro has reading comprehension problems

[scenic drum]

Or maybe because my name has nothing to do with being sad?

[formal meadow]

Bro turning into Nate the way he always trying to argue

[scenic drum]

@spiral dagger ?

[wet osprey]

These nate clones getting out of hand

[formal meadow]

[wet osprey]

You're one of them maus enjoyer 🫵

[formal meadow]

Maus good tank

[amber geyser]

Do explain as you expect us to understand and know completely the complexity of why you chose that username from simply never having talked about it before

[scenic drum]

Forgot I was arguing anything?

You’re the one that assumed what it meant? Not my problem?

[formal meadow]

L

[scenic drum]

Don’t assume things

[wet osprey]

Nice balance thread

[dim moat]

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[scenic drum]

No I want to talk to Nate

You’re welcome @sleek basin I got you some engagement for the day

[sleek basin]

Balance?

Reposting till it gets addressed fr:

On September 15th, 2023 it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th, 2023 the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th, 2023 the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, 2024 the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

On March 22nd, 2024 the Double Tap and Jgpz 4-5 identified as underperforming.

[formal meadow]

Nobody cares

[spiral dagger]

???

[sleek basin]

REAL

[scenic drum]

@spiral dagger this guy name dropped you for some reason trying to make fun of me, do you know him?

I sure don’t

[formal meadow]

Bro pulled out the manager card

[amber geyser]

Is he a Kevin or a Karen?

[sleek basin]

I just realized that you changed your name. Had to go into witness protection for some of them disastrous takes?

[zealous ridge]

Yeah he had to beat the allegations over that time in genshin impact

[formal meadow]

Woah

[amber geyser]

Anyways. To end the stupidity, I shall reiterate: the statement and the name are ironic. Specifically dealing in situational irony I believe would be the correct phraseology

Thanks sturm for the thread to have this conversation in lol

[limpid ivy]

Where? Mobility? Cap?

[scenic drum]

My message was a question to phrizby

[regal burrow]

WHO SUMMONED ME

[soft hamlet]

I think a lot of you are sadly deluded between a little and a lot, if you think one of WG's famous balance patches is going really fix the game or make you happy. You guys constantly complaining about balance is a form of escapism and a way to channel your frustrations. I understand that. I'm not saying that balances shouldn't happen, I'm saying that you're never going to get what you want, and even you did, it's not enough to fix things to where you'd be happy. The Only way to probably fix this game would be for big company like Microsoft to buy it, and completely gut it and most everyone on all the teams and sections and start over by dumping a ton of time, money and research into how to make this really work. It's a Dream, It's Most Likely Never going to Happen. Just Be Happy and Thankful for What You Have, Enjoy it for the time that both you and this game have left on this Earth, and be Happy for what you have and the Air that you Breathe.

[sleek basin]

Awful take. The whole point of feedback is to voice how we would like to see the game improved. And I think it's very reasonable to ask of WG to follow through on the changes that were promised to us

Refer to this

Reposting till it gets addressed fr:

On September 15th, 2023 it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th, 2023 the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th, 2023 the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, 2024 the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

On March 22nd, 2024 the Double Tap and Jgpz 4-5 identified as underperforming.

[limpid ivy]

that 4-5 is difficult to get right, i wouldnt say it needs anything.

[formal meadow]

the game is balanced

[spiral dagger]

The main issue is that “balance feedback” is not consistent among players. When the waffle got it’s 6 shot taken away and the 183 got their alpha reduced, there were a lot of complainers

[sleek basin]

Right but what is going on here is that these are tanks slotted for changes according to the streams

They have acknowledged the need for changes to these vehicles and I just want a simple answer on where they are at 🙃

[limpid ivy]

Yeah but those complainers got them selves an avre

[limpid ivy]

no mention of PT76,

[sleek basin]

There are quite a few tanks they haven't mentioned, but I figured I should only list the ones they've told us so that it doesn't look like a wish list. Fun fact in the very same Q&A the Rino change was mentioned they actually said "The Bisonte is performing well and won't be getting any changes"

[spiral dagger]

Performance is different than fun. I’m happy if stuff like the sturm/183 never get any buffs again. The should be bad bc they have too much potential to be broken

[sleek basin]

I dont disagree, big guns need to have major drawbacks. However, I have a problem with the lack of follow through on these changes. I personally don't see the point in the 183 or E5 buffs and think there are worse tanks in those categories but if WG has identified them for changes I want to see these changes

Identifying something as needing a fix and then ignoring it for 8 months is not something I can get behind. It sets a bad precedent for any other future changes

[soft hamlet]

What I said is "Not an awful take" it's reality. Everybody's idea of Balance differs. It's impossible to make most people happy in this game. Time has shown us that. This game needs so much fixing, that even tank balance isn't going to do. Enjoy the game for what it is. Hope for the best, and it enjoy it and your life for the time that is left for both. Tomorrow is not promised. There's most likely not a big or substantial development team left, and there hasn't been one for years. Enjoy what we have, that we still get some new stuff. Why is my veiw point relative and valuable here, in this thread ? Becasue for the past years, and especially year.. People are COMPLAINING and moaning non stop about balance, and they're never happy, and they always complain. The truth is, that they're Never going to be happy. Ever. So just Enjoy what we have for as long as there is left and move on.

[sleek basin]

It's a view that lacks ambition. The game cannot improve under the mindset of "be happy with what you have".

[soft hamlet]

That's the Whole Problem, Sir. This game lacks ambition. It lacks money that is at least put into the kind of man power and development could really change things around, to build the kind of teams and hire the kind of employees that would have a chance at truly fixing this. Have you watched a live stream in the past few years ? The drive and potential has been gone for a long time. That's why things never really change and developement has gone down to.. well.. you know....(very little)

[sleek basin]

If all you are here to do is give a long worded "give up" then please move along to something else.

[soft hamlet]

DM me when you're Happy with the game and it's been balanced close to your hopes and satisfaction. As sad as it may make you to hear, I won't be holding my breath for that DM.

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[soft hamlet]

WG does what they do, and we'll do what we do..

[spiral dagger]

Doesn’t matter to WG. As long as they keep the most people that spend money happy, that’s all that matters

[sleek basin]

🙏

[formal meadow]

These players coming into these discussions ranting on hpw others should give up is actually sad

[sleek basin]

Says a lot about player expectations these days lol. WG gotta do better

[soft hamlet]

It's because they've seen that the company has been slowing down and not doing much as in new and meaningful content outside of CW at the start of 6.0 for nearly 4 years. Even CW hasn't been develped at all due to the backlash and probably more downsizing. It would not surprise me if the PC side help them with the new tanks. It's odd that tanks with complex armor models (some CW ones) are the only new thing besides one map a year that a built anymore. I wonder how much of the tanks and the maps are done state side here in the US. Where the game is based. The company is doing the bare minimum insofar as actual new content, besides premium tanks. Since 2020, No New Maps have come out for CW, yet expensive premium tanks have, like the one coming next week. The tier 8 Jap premium TD in the season pass was Good, though, probably ported from PC, I don't know ?

Yes we are gonna get a balance pass and some quality of life updates and stuff, I would think. It's not gonna make you Happy with the game, if you disliked it before. It probably should Not, for safety and Update 4.6 reasons, be that ground breaking. If you don't know in Update 4.6 at the end of 2018, WG destroyed A LOT of the game with a "balance pass". Becareful What You Wish For.

[tulip gust]

You do realize that console is ran differently than pc, pc seems to get frequent balance adjustments. Their team must be really small for console.

[granite idol]

For how slow they move, at this point I'm assuming it's just one person

[sleek basin]

Reposting till it gets addressed fr:

On September 15th, 2023 it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th, 2023 the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th, 2023 the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, 2024 the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

On March 22nd, 2024 the Double Tap and Jgpz 4-5 identified as underperforming.

[sleek basin]

^

[formal meadow]

Only one of those tanks should even get buffed

Rinoceronte

[wet osprey]

Please can we buff the 183 I think its very weak currently

[sleek basin]

I mean the Bär and Sturm P could def use some touching too

[amber geyser]

Here we go again

[sleek basin]

Yeeeeeee (reposting till it gets addressed fr)

[amber geyser]

Bar doesn’t need gun depression, just a bit more accuracy

[wet osprey]

🤨

[sleek basin]

😃

[wet osprey]

Of course YOU think a sturm needs touching

[formal meadow]

No bias

[frank wyvern]

They absolutely need to nerf TD camo values or rework the spotting system to make it the slightest bit advantageous to play lights/mediums. Inability to spot at ~130M with a spec’d crew and equipment should not happen.

[hazy flare]

played 10 battles yesterday
every battle min 8 tank destroyers
100m tds shooting no spot, everybody waiting. nobody was doing anything. all still and wait.
Back to Netflix. just remembered why i don't play anymore

[scenic drum]

Facts

[sleek basin]

Reposting till it gets addressed fr:
another day another repost edition

On September 15th, 2023 it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th, 2023 the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th, 2023 the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, 2024 the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

On March 22nd, 2024 the Double Tap and Jgpz 4-5 identified as underperforming.

[sleek basin]

[soft hamlet]

Devs/Moderators: Can we get these threads where people are constantly complaining about balance removed or placed into their own subsection so the rest of us don't have to be bombarded with people constantly complaining about the same thing, and let the rest of us just enjoy the game we have ?

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[manic pumice]

Nah, it clearly needs more

[sage monolith]

You can ignore these threads.
Just uncheck "follow", and any new posts won't show up for you.

[soft hamlet]

Thank you for that.

[amber geyser]

Reposting till it gets addressed fr:
another day another repost edition

On September 15th, 2023 it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th, 2023 the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th, 2023 the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, 2024 the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

On March 22nd, 2024 the Double Tap and Jgpz 4-5 identified as underperforming.

||@sleek basin I gotchu homie||

[sleek basin]

What in the block of emoji spam is that up there?

[sleek basin]

Reposting till it gets addressed fr:
another day another repost edition

On September 15th, 2023 it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th, 2023 the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th, 2023 the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, 2024 the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

On March 22nd, 2024 the Double Tap and Jgpz 4-5 identified as underperforming.

[sleek basin]

Reposting till it gets addressed fr:
almost forgot edition

On September 15th, 2023 it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th, 2023 the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th, 2023 the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, 2024 the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

On March 22nd, 2024 the Double Tap and Jgpz 4-5 identified as underperforming.

[granite idol]

Jaguar 1 was underperforming and got a massive buff announced just 6 days after the tank released. Meanwhile the Jgpz 4-5 has literally the single worst winrate in the entire game according to wotstars and has gone untouched

[sleek basin]

Same went for the Nemesis. Buffed it's pen in a week

[sleek basin]

Kinda sad to see little balance changes take so longer whereas the Jag 1 did get that huge set of changes in a week. They straight up changed the whole vehicle around to have better firepower and full turret traverse. Meanwhile TT changes are firing dispersion or buffing the wrong armor plates

[wet osprey]

Are you surprised?

That buff increased sales massively for sure

Same with nemesis

[formal meadow]

Both tanks were genuinely terrible pre buff 🙂

It honestly males sense why nemesis and jaguar were buffed on week 1 and even with all their buffs they are still bottom of the barrel

[sleek basin]

I would argue the Bär is in a much worse spot now than the Nemesis was at launch.

And on top of it the tanks up in the list here have been identified as needing changes for months now. There is no reason they can make a change to premiums in a week but then make us wait for months on TT tanks they said they would change

[formal meadow]

Bar has literally received multiple buffs

[sleek basin]

A) still terrible
B) Not since it was said on stream on Sep 15, 2023
C) last significant change im seeing to the Bär was in what 2022?

[formal meadow]

And

Nemesis got one buff

And it's still garbage

[sleek basin]

Regardless, they've identified a problem nearly 8 months ago and still haven't addressed it. It's unacceptable

The rate that they are "balancing" vehicles at is outpaced by new premiums. There should be more effort in keeping older vehicles relevant

[quartz thistle]

This is not fun.

[sleek basin]

The TDs being the bottom of the leaderboard is pretty funny.

[wet osprey]

Clearly td meta is not a thing as you can see they are underperforming

[sleek basin]

Reposting till it gets addressed fr:
another day another repost edition

On September 15th, 2023 it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th, 2023 the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th, 2023 the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, 2024 the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

On March 22nd, 2024 the Double Tap and Jgpz 4-5 identified as underperforming.

[soft hamlet]

@sage monolith Yes I know I can unfollow this thread. That said, re posting the same thing over and over each and every single day, is getting obnoxious. It seems like he's doing this just to boost this thread. We get the point, He wants his tanks buffed. This kind of thing would not have been tollerated forever on the forum, and I know this not the forum. This is getting out of hand though.

[sleek basin]

Unfollow it then 💀

[wet osprey]

@sleek basin this is getting way out of hand

Think of the children

[sleek basin]

Also gotta love that reach of "he wants his tanks buffed". Nah what I want to see is how WG can say a tank needs a fix and then proceed to ignore it for 8 months

Just like this thread has continued to be ignored by them 🙃

Cuz tbh I still don't understand why the E5 or 183 need changes but eh that's me. Just curious how WG will say they do and ignore em for months without a word 🤷‍♂️

[sage monolith]

The feedback is valid, and threads like this were tolerated on the old forum.

I'm not closing a legitimate feedback thread because of one complaint.

[soft hamlet]

Not completely true, if they kept re posting the same list of demands every 24hrs or so, Raibot or whoever was doing that job would eventually lock it.

[rugged zenith]

Demands need to be met it’s been 4 years of silence and not listening

[soft hamlet]

You sound like the guys that invaded the Nakatomi Tower in the 1988 Christmas Documentary - Die Hard.

[rugged zenith]

Maybe but this is unacceptable for a gaming company

[soft hamlet]

You do realize that the last actual thing that was added to the game (besides fixes and updates, and couple maps) was the 2020/2021 CW date with 4 all new maps for CW. Don't you guys get it, you'll get a balance pass, but this game is pretty much done. We're not getting new and amazing things. Also did you not see the news that Xbox has pooped the bed ? That's where this game started, as you know. Gaming itself is dying because the actual inflation rate is around 30% in America and economic problems and conflicts going on around world are taking its toll on gaming and everything else !!! Also CW was the last real thing since the Pandemic, and they've never really recovered. So the point of that whole sad, but very true tangent is, be happy with what you have, and enjoy it for as long as you have it. Because they're not doing much anymore, here. You also know that the top 2 guys that ran this company up and quit in the summer of 2022 right ? And now Bam has replaced them, so if you're frustrated, write out a hand written letter in clear penmanship, put the appropriate postage coverage on it and send it to WG's office in Chicago and maybe they'll send you some stickers and a Thank you letter back. You never know. Good Luck !

P.s. If you do write and send that letter, don't make it a "List of demands" like in Die Hard ~ They may take that the "wrong way".

[dim moat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[soft hamlet]

Ty. It was a love letter to the community and game, regarding the times we live in.

also he may get some stickers or even a keychain if he's fortunate. So he's got that going for him... Which is Nice !

[scenic drum]

Now that that’s over..

Reposting till it gets addressed fr:
another day another repost edition

On September 15th, 2023 it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th, 2023 the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th, 2023 the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, 2024 the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

On March 22nd, 2024 the Double Tap and Jgpz 4-5 identified as underperforming.

[sage monolith]

It might be worth proposing what buffs you'd like to those tanks.

[soft hamlet]

On a serious note the DeathStar and he E5 have had balances not that long ago as far as things are currently in the game. The Death Star 183 has been nerfed and then buffed again on tanks reforged not too long ago, back when they were doing tanks reforged. The E5 also had it's Rof buffed and some other small things I believe. If you're saying you want the super tumor buffed back to when it was OP then No that shouldn't happen, they already did that.

[dim moat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[rugged zenith]

Not reading allat

[formal meadow]

Agreed

[sage monolith]

Weren't those changes before 6.0?

[formal meadow]

Only rinoceronte honestly needs buffed out of those tanks mentioned

Double tap too ngl

[sleek basin]

At least running off wotstars' numbers the Sturmtiger line 8-10 and jagpz 4-5 also need some work. All of them are some of the worst in their class for a few worst in tier

[formal meadow]

Sturmtiger P is fine

Bar is bad but literally a model issue

Sturmtiger itself is fine

[sleek basin]

I mean it's averaging 100 lower comb than every other tier 8 td, only the t44, super Bert, and bulldog average less comb than it. The Sturmtiger P just needs more tools for the tier 10 match ups it gets. The AP is effectively useless against most tier 10 brawlers. Bär is a tough case bc the model but they could at least try to make it playable, maybe thicker armor or better mobility. The bär platform is so damning even without the GD problem. Sturmtiger is mostly fine but it would be nice to see it's camo stat brought in line with the other Tigers rather than keeping it at the exact same camo value as the Jag100.

The tier 8-9 I would think the best play is better superstructure armor and maybe swap one of the Sturm P's HE options (HE and prem HE is redundant anyways) for Heat or something that could more effectively pen a tier 10 weak spot in a brawl. Tier 10 I'd say bring the camo down to around 380-390 (Tiger 1 401m, Jagdtiger 371m, Sturm p 369m, Ferdinand 369m, Tiger P 398m, but somehow Sturmtiger 424m like a Jag100) maybe some light pen buffs could be nice for these tanks as well considering the lack of a prem penetrating round

[sleek basin]

but tbh my intention wasnt so much to give my opinion on the qualtiy of the selection WG has told us need changes. It was more to call attention to the fact that we were told these vehicles need chnages and we still havent gotten any changes.

Reposting till it gets addressed fr:
going back to calling attention to the original topic edition

On September 15th, 2023 it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th, 2023 the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th, 2023 the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, 2024 the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

On March 22nd, 2024 the Double Tap and Jgpz 4-5 identified as underperforming.

Looking forward to the official 8 month mark for the Sturmtiger line answer 😂

[scenic drum]

Buff the double tap???

[sleek basin]

on a funny note only 20 people on wotstars have even played 30 games in it over the last 3 months 😂 and only 29 people have even gotten 100 battles in it

[scenic drum]

For real. Nobody has that tank or even knows what it is

[sleek basin]

pretty rare vehicle. All i know is it shoots pretty quick and the armor is pretty good against standard rounds

[scenic drum]

Devs probably wanna buff it because they’ve never seen one in game themselves

Yeah I’m honestly not sure what kind of a buff it could use. My buddy has one and he walks over kids with it. Making it better sounds scary

[sleek basin]

checks players by games played

Hmmmm i wonder if anyone there is absolutely nuking the average

[sleek basin]

Reposting till it gets addressed fr:
One week left in the season edition

On September 15th, 2023 it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th, 2023 the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th, 2023 the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, 2024 the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

On March 22nd, 2024 the Double Tap and Jgpz 4-5 identified as underperforming.

[soft hamlet]

I thought they did some those changes to both the Deathstar and E5 aftter 6.0. Pretty sure there was still some Tanks Reforged aftewards. I'm one of the worst of being able to look up old patch notes, If anyone here can pull up when both were last buffed, that would be appreciated.

[regal burrow]

Wasn't E5 legends reforged?

[sleek basin]

Reposting till it gets addressed fr:
Looks like CW is getting the season balance patch instead edition!

On September 15th, 2023 it was mentioned on stream that select tanks in the Sturmtiger line would receive some changes.

On September 29th, 2023 the Fv215b 183 was also said to be receiving some buffs.

On October 13th, 2023 the T110E5 was also named for upcoming changes.

On February 16th, 2024 the Rinoceronte was named for an upcoming buff

On March 22nd, 2024 the Double Tap and Jgpz 4-5 identified as underperforming.

Also a special shout out to it having officially been 8 months since they said some of the Sturmtiger line would get changes! 🥳

We will be celebrating the 8 month mark for the 215b 183 in 2 weeks 👍

[rugged zenith]

103b buff when

The camo goes from 197 and jumps to 500 I can do that with any other tank and not be spotted

[formal meadow]

Bro can a moderator stop this pointless spam about balance changes?

[sleek basin]

No

[rugged zenith]

No it’s needed because the devs don’t listen

[fresh veldt]

Why it's perfectly fine and 100% needed because the op is right, the game is getting stale when you play the same few tanks all the time because nothing else is good

[formal meadow]

Buffing already strong tanks is how we got to the point we are at now 👍

Idk suggest maybe buffing actual weak tanks?? I didn't think it was such a wild concept .

There is actually one tank on that list that needs to be buffed and it's the Rinoceronte but the other suggested buffs are nonsensical

[sleek basin]

Just remember, Im not suggesting they buff em, Im just keeping a log that they said it. Calling for some accountability on WG's end here. Either keep their word and change the vehicles in the list, or come out and say they decided not to

[fresh veldt]

I get that but I think what @sleek basin would like is for them to buff/nerf tanks that could use it to shake up the meta. As it currently stands there's only a few tanks that people will play because the rest are either meh or bad. As for cw there's alot they can and should do to shake things up

[sleek basin]

yeah that too but a lot of the reposting is just an example of the list of tanks that were confirmed on stream to be getting future changes. Balancing attempts need to be made more frequent even if they arent perfect it would at least let things be more exciting than what we have

[fresh veldt]

Agreed, I'd love to play more tanks that I wouldn't touch or grind new ww2 lines I wouldn't think of because there is better options to aquire, another thing is maybe they should tone back the premium tanks a little bit and what I mean by that is not make them so over the top that it makes tt tanks useless or pointless

[scenic drum]

Would it surprise you to know that all those suggested buffs came from wargaming itself

And that everything they do is nonsensical

So are you really that surprised

[sleek basin]

lol trueeeeee

[quartz thistle]

A tip that can help, don't click on the post, don't comment, don't like and don't bother.
.🤣

[formal meadow]

I didn't ask for your input. Thanks for absolutely contributing nothing

[sage monolith]

Just tone it back a little if possible. No need to keep posting it daily

[wet osprey]

Be the change you want to see in the world or something like that

[sage monolith]

Oh, that's the intention.
Legitimate feedback is fine, just don't go spamming it daily.

[soft hamlet]

If somebody could look up the last Reforges or buffs for the E5 and Deathstar to see when they were done and what was changed, that would be appreciated.

[sleek basin]

Last deathstar buff here to HE damage and dispersion. E5 buff was before July 2021 and isnt available to be seen. Ill pullup unlisted that i can in a few

August 1st 2023 for unlisted

[soft hamlet]

So what's deal with spamming and harassing us then ? It has had its Turret armor buffed over the years, had its ammo capacity buffed, recently had reload, accuracy and gun handling buffs, Which was more than the old community would've tolerated or been ok with. It's Hesh was nerfed for an obvious reason and YOU KNOW THAT. So are you telling me, that you spammed that day after day, just because you want its Hesh buffed back when you know that isn't gonna happen and nor should it happen at tier 10 ?

[sleek basin]

Not at all what is going on. What this thread is about is how since September of 2023 WG has explicitly mentioned the tanks in the list I have been reposting but havent changed them. My list is simply just a log of changes we have been told are coming but still havent

[soft hamlet]

Ok what are they supposed to be or rumored to be changing with these tanks ?

[sleek basin]

I am demanding more frequent balance attempts, WG has listed the tanks (that I have logged in my list) for said balance attempts and has gone nearly 8 months without saying a word for 2 of the lines.

[sleek basin]

They did not specify. Just listed them as either "needing attention", "underperforming", or listed for a "buff". Most specific they got was the E5 cupola will not be removed like author of the question they answered had asked.

[soft hamlet]

What exactly do you think is a fair and reasonable balance for the E5 and Deathstar after it's had all those things that I mentioned and you posted, buffed already, those were the major complaints over the years.

Also what was the E5's somewhat recent buff ? I know around the same time it got a good reload buff, did it not ?

[sleek basin]

Ive got no experience in those tanks and am not familiar with how/why WG says they are in line for a buff. I would however like to see WG just make changes at the least that shake up how tanks stack up to each other. Currently I know there is no reason to chase either of those tanks because the IS7, MK6, Valour all arguably fill the "heavium" role better than the E5. And as for the 183s its not much secret that the 4005 has taken the podium for those while the Ruthless is more flexible than the 215b 183

[soft hamlet]

Ok, but you do realize that you could been spamming that this whole time and the new heads of this WG may have changed their minds and decided something different, we don't know.

[sleek basin]

Like ive said previously in the thread, if they have decided not to make changes they should tell us

[soft hamlet]

As I understand it and what we've seen as evidence from what they've put out, I think they're petty much down to a skeleton crew as a team. Btw did you see that they're getting around to addressing APFSD or whatever the fancy APCR is called, changes in CW for tanks like the Abrams ? That mabye something that you don't care about, but at least they're doing something as far as changes and balance, and look how long that, that's probably needed changing and fixing, since the beginning of CW, probably. And it's early summer 2024 and it's now just getting addressed. Those are not just fancy words to woo beautiful women with when I say be happy with what you have. Just be happy that we still have tanks game to play, because developement seems to be at an absolute snails pace. That's why when you see me ask for something, it's only really simple and hopefully easy changes, like giving use full accesss back to the old WW2 commanders which are already still in the game. I don't dare ask for major or big changes or balance, cause it probably won't and can't ever happen unless this studio gets bought out by some other company who's wealthy.

[sleek basin]

By no means is it too much to ask for balancing. We are getting entirely new premium tanks at a faster rate than targeted balancing. I would think changing a value from X to Y on a tank would be a lot easier than modeling a whole new one and making its stats from scratch

[fresh veldt]

The cw change means absolutely nothing to the ww2 playerbase though, what @sleek basin would like to see is more ww2 adjustments/balance patches like wg have said are coming for months now. While these bigger changes for cw are great to see it feels like ww2 is getting left behind for it and imo that's unfair to the ww2 players

[soft hamlet]

I get that it doesn't mean much too to him, but it a surprised and welcome balance change. My point was that shows a positive change, and them taking action on an issue that needed fixing.

[fresh veldt]

I agree with you on that

But it would also be nice for more tank balance patches especially buffing the tanks that aren't that good. I think another tank they mentioned was the lynx 6x6 and correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think they buffed that yet

[soft hamlet]

I suspect that the PC side is helping them or making the CW tanks for them. Hope I'm wrong but if you remember back in 2016-17 they announced the Canadian Sherman..The Grizzly and they were all proud of it and touting it as the first completely in game from the ground up tank produced by the console team, back before the big downsizing of console teams and staff...And it's just a basic Sherman with an ever so slightly different slope or profile, same basic, and simple armor. Cw tanks can be many times more complex and have multiple armor layers. I would be willing to bet that they're made over yonder on Big Boy Wot's by their developers, and then sold here as pure easy profit when they're competed. They do supertest them over here.

[fresh veldt]

That's possible but we also have some tanks that pc has been supertesting like the mbt-b and the vickers mk3.

An idea I've had before and is very unlikely is for pc and console to merge and be one big game, I realize that may never happen simply due to all the major differences between games but I feel like that could make it alot better with the bigger dev teams which could mean more frequent changes and even more content for us to enjoy

[wet osprey]

I forgot it was concealment changes the made to the e5 that's so funny

[sleek basin]

Fr they gave it more camo as if it isn't literally a heavy

[wet osprey]

How can we buff this tank so that people see the word buff and get a dopamine hit but not make any changes at all

[sleek basin]

If a tank has a bad gun and camo just add +2kph reverse speed

[wet osprey]

If the tank is heavy that is phenomenal in most ways give it marginally better camo

[sleek basin]

Could this be the end of the thread? Peace at last?

[wet osprey]

Won't address any of the tanks this thread is about

[formal meadow]

No wait til Monday you'll be crying about the changes because they'll be to vehicles that dont need them.

And it's all your fault

[sleek basin]

😭

[wraith osprey]

Certainly a great start. However the Nation list doesn't include US or USSR tanks and we know that some of them have confirmed changes. (TS-54 for instance as confirmed and Taran should receive some changes)

I'm hyped for the monday article

[fresh veldt]

Possibly lol, with over 90 tanks there's more than likely gonna be tanks we wanna see changed

[fresh veldt]

It actually could, the sturmtiger line is German meaning they could be changed also the Italian heavy

[soft hamlet]

The Daily Spamming has Ended !!! Everyone was Happy, Men became more viral, women started ovulating 24h a day 32 days a month. Children started playing in the streets, Biden stopped sniffing them, Everyone Rejoiced forever after !!!

[formal meadow]

Hyped is not the word to be using I am very worried that they'll overtune more tier 10s. But the game realistically can't get worse than it is now

[fresh veldt]

Most of the tier 10s are either fine as they are or underperforming so I highly doubt it's gonna have that many tier 10s

[formal meadow]

Does nobody remember the is7, mk6 and e4 buff?

[fresh veldt]

If it was over 2½ years ago then no I dont

[formal meadow]

So many tt tanks just get overly buffed for no reason and just make the problem worse its worrying but I think only thing is they literally can't ruon the game more than it is right now

[amber geyser]

@sleek basin did you see the intel notes?!

[sleek basin]

Yes

[sleek basin]

There may finally be peace if all goes well this Monday

Ofc US, USSR, Japan, UK aren't among the named nations receiving changes. So that means that 4/6 of this list isn't expected to be on there

And likely means no nerfs to the currently strong vehicles in those nations

[formal meadow]

I pray Japan means stb and Ho Ri3 buffs

[sleek basin]

Nah Japan didn't even get listed did it?

Same with US, UK, and USSR

[formal meadow]

Bro damn

I thought it did

[sleek basin]

Yeah ig it's German, Chinese, Czech, French, Italian, and Mercs

[formal meadow]

Grille 15 buff rahh

[sleek basin]

You ready for second Taran?

[regal burrow]

Tf is this message?

[formal meadow]

He's spitting facts

[lilac monolith]

or japan tds buff in general they are not op in pc

[sleek basin]

Soon™️

[heavy flume]

Scimatar is also way to OP

The smallest tank bouncing almost every shots of medium tanks faster then every turret and having a ridiculous amount of hitpoints and pen

It’s already so ridiculously overpowered that in Cold War the majority of players use light tanks already

[wet osprey]

It's just not bouncing almost every shot though

[heavy flume]

What ever I do almost no damage despite hitting it’s one of the most durable vehicles despite being the fastest already

[sleek basin]

Well Brummbär and Bär made it in from the list that's about it. No rino change is a shock

[fresh veldt]

Ngl I'm kinda disappointed with the ww2 balance patch, alot of the tanks they changed were tier 1 and 2 tanks which we can't aquire and low tiers which most people don't care about much. It would've been nice for more tier 7-10 tanks to recieve changes

[wraith osprey]

Rinoceronte unchanged even though the Patch covered italy.

Minotauro intra-clip nerf was unnececary.

Löwe received the 360 alpha but still has 1600 dpm

Not gonna lie, quite dissappointed in the changes overall

[upper iris]

The intra clip nerf on the panzerknacker feels unnecessary you already nerfed its reload to account for the bigger alpha clip which was also unnecessary as it didn't need an alpha buff but i get you changed the alpha on the 88s but nerfing the intra clip to 2.4s because its got more alpha isn't warranted the iron rain has 490 alpha and a 2s intra clip afterall id rather take an extra .8s+ to load than have the intraclip nerfed at all

The maus got ignored again but dont worry the e100 got yet another buff to the maus's gun that the maus has yet to receive anything from

The ruthless got unnecessary buffs alot of nerfs in the merc line that are completely unwarranted and the buffs fail to address the issues that make the tanks need buffs to begin with lack of pen being a usual issue for example the slapjack 145 to 155 doesn't help it out at all vs t9s no premium buff either 194 still isn't good enough vs 9s

Overall way too much focus on low tiers a whole lot of nothing changes done for the sake of being seen as doing something

[thin trellis]

Looks like a spreadsheet and or database was used to crunch some numbers to create a list. 2 steps forward, 3 steps back.

[formal meadow]

Still have not addressed the taran at all. 236m concealment for a tier 10 tank destroyer really just shouldn't be happening.

Nerf tanks that don't really need to be nerfed then completely keep the literal game breaking avre and taran untouched . Well done wg

[sleek basin]

I half think the only reason they buffed the Grille was to minimize the huge gap between them so they can pretend Taran is fine

[tulip canopy]

Literally the grill only needed a camo buff, and they buffed the rhm but didnt touch the ammo? AND FOR GOD SAKE, STOP BUFFING THE BAR, IT NEEDS GUN DEPRESSION YOU *****

[formal meadow]

Grille turret buff is actually quite nice ngl

[tulip canopy]

ehh

[formal meadow]

These buffs really just show how clueless wg is

There is no way they don't know the taran is completely game breaking right?

[tulip canopy]

Yeah, they buffed the damn Ruthless too, may god save our souls

[formal meadow]

Yep instead of nerfing 4005 they bring ruthless up to it

Out of touch completely

Gg

They giga buff grille 15 then they barely touch highlander lol

And didn't change rinoceronte at all

[amber geyser]

I am very surprised that they gave the grill 360* turret traverse tho.

The Bär buff is welcome too

[amber geyser]

They don’t change it because it makes them lots of money

[regal burrow]

That and the fact there's now laws preventing paid content from being nerfed

[soft hamlet]

Where do I come in ? Remember what I told you about update 4.6 and Becareful what you wish for ??? They screwed over the German tanks the Hardest, and they are by Far, my Favorite of the Bunch !!!!!! All this constant complaining to balance the game, and "They never nerf premium tanks" You got more of my personal tanks ruined than you ever did yours fixed ? Did you have every single one of those German prem tanks on the list btw ? Cause I do...For ex the Lowe already had to Lowe of RoF, people were asking for 360 alpha and the rof to have slight bump too, if anything. Some of those tanks like the Jag 88, RoF WAS the selling point at the Tank Dealership. That was was made that tank special... Mostly what this update did was blahhh blahhh blahhh to other nations, and then screw most of the German tanks... Btw Sturm.. Were you even here for 4.6 ? Were you here for the first great Buff/Nerf disaster re German tanks that caused WG to stop balancing tanks for the first whole 2 years of the game ? And that was the 2 good years, when there was a big playerbase !

[sour zodiac]

A lot of these console players fail to realize WG literally won’t need prem tanks, they have a long history of not doing so bc when they did people wanted their money back obviously, if the game feels unbalanced good it’s not a realism game if u want balance play tiers 4-8 problem solved

Nerf*

Patch is a nice touch imo nothing too wild

[regal burrow]

🧀

[tulip canopy]

Realism and balance have no correlation, in fact it's literally the opposite.

[olive prawn]

They can nerf it freely

Read the ToS

[patent lake]

Lul as if balance down there is better

[idle knoll]

Thank God they buffed the tier 1-3 tanks, we needed that ❤️WG🫠

[sour zodiac]

100% it should go without saying, no circus tank premiums maps are great and plentiful arty is negligible u don’t need to spam gold ammo most tanks are competitive yet I can’t think of 1 in tiers 4-7 that I would say is game breaking etc etc

[patent lake]

E25

Tiger 131

Probably dreadnought

Super hellcat

[soft hamlet]

E25 is probably gonna be left alone, The Dreadnought and Hellcat's can't be nerfed because they Didn't do Russian and American tanks this time around, only the 5 or so countries that they mentioned. The Dreadnought will probably left alone, Same with the Super Hellcat.

[empty umbra]

Maybe if they’d develop and TEST the tanks before releasing them to make sure that its not op, we wouldnt have that problem

[regal burrow]

Who says they don't test them

[empty umbra]

Noone, but it’s obvious they dont test em enough, or they release them wanting the tank to be op

[patent lake]

You can't test something when it's not on the live server

[regal burrow]

Are you forgetting they have super testers

[patent lake]

No you want to know how they test?

Vs bots

You want to know how they tested back in days before bots?

Custom battles but everyone was on one of the new tanks

[regal burrow]

Eerrrr

No

[patent lake]

Yes very much

@regal burrow I still believe supertest was the sole reason to bring bots

If it was for multiplayer we would have gotten better bots

[soft hamlet]

Bots started going live and started the AI refinement process in War Stories.

Even before War Stories was over, the later generation of bots, would know that you're were holding the arty reticule over them and move as you were about to fire. It happened over and over and over again. Not a coincedence. First generation of bots did not do that, at least not like that. You could farm them in Arty. Also before War Stories ended the bots started, angling before you fired to bounce shots more, they started using AI strategy, and working together better ect..

[regal burrow]

ST uses custom games

I was in the ST for a while and worked with a few other people in the programme to test vehicles

[patent lake]

@regal burrow when did you leave

[patent lake]

Bots in war stories weren't real ai. They were a set of a few simple instructions and a predefined path

[soft hamlet]

No that's not true, towards then end they had AI.

[patent lake]

People did play it towards the end? 😂 Tbf haven't even finished all of them cause it was dumb.

[regal burrow]

Just before the EBR line released

[amber geyser]

Bruh, it’s scripting. Not Ai.

The bots would be better if they used neural networking and machine learning using the data on pathing and decision making from 1750+ WN8 players. Therefore the player pool isn’t completely biased to super units and there is a lot more useful test data to make machine learning bots. AI is insanely expensive to even develop. Even more than machine learning

Mach 667 is typing

[soft hamlet]

Sorry scripting, but for the layperson it looks like AI. They could start to think and do things on their own and start adapting at the end of War Stories. So more complex scripting then.

[amber geyser]

[soft hamlet]

Touché

[limpid ivy]

AP armour piercing. CR composite ridgeded. FS fin Stabilised, DS disgaurding sabot

[limpid ivy]

nope, the grizzly is an M4, with stock 75mm, pref mm, and a couple of pieces of spaced on right and a single bigger bit of spaced left side. CW isnt the only mode that has armour layers

[regal burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-ogres-have-layers-you-get-it-onions-have-layers-gif-15744640

[sleek basin]

embed issue

[regal burrow]

🥺

[soft hamlet]

Nope the grizzly tank model was the first tank that WG console built from the ground up. They proudly stated this on the forum years ago ! It's similar to a standard Sherman, but if you look closely from the side it's different.

[soft hamlet]

There is some space or layerd armor here and there in WW2. Super Pershing/Freedom, the Tank of the Eternal Balance Pass, says Hi.

[sleek basin]

Hmmmmm I just noticed I haven't updated the list to not include tanks that got hit in the last patch. Not sure if any new tanks need to he added, haven't heard anything but haven't really watched the streams

[patent lake]

@sleek basin Just should add the year to the dates

[sleek basin]

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