List of overpowered cold war tanks that need nerfs:

[craggy olive]

There are none 🤣

[trail heath]

My post got deleted automatically by a bot. Idk why.

It really was just a list.

I tought it wasn't still up.

[versed jacinth]

F

[craggy olive]

😂 Too much opinion?

[tiny forum]

Opinions are frowned upon here cmon now

[halcyon basin]

Well I giess 477A and Wiesel lead the list. Maybe some 4005 in there as well

[versed jacinth]

Maybe the ignis

Maybe the chieftain 120

[trail heath]

I just made the list again and it auto-deleted it again.

What is this?

[versed jacinth]

Try splitting the list in half

If it's too long it deletes

[trail heath]

Ok, I won't specify what broken this time, maybe that's the matter.

Fv4005
Fv101/fv107
Rdf/lt
Chieftan ctr / 120
Amx 13 ss-11 tca
Wz122
Ignis
Rock crawler
Wiesel
477a

Think that was all of them.

[trail heath]

It's weird tho. Why would it have a problem with specifying the problem? I just typed (damage output) or (armor), etc.

[versed jacinth]

Might have been too long or something

[craggy olive]

Honestly all of these tanks can be countered or overmatched, some of them may be “overpowered” in a 1v1, but in a 1v2-3, is possible if you can coordinate a good counter attack against them as a group

[versed jacinth]

All tanks get countered by group tactics.

[trail heath]

There's none that can't be, but these have a huge undenyable advantage.

[craggy olive]

The only thing that I feel like could “nerf” these tanks is limiting how many of them can be seen in a single match

[bright dew]

That would literally break the mm because it wouldn't be able to matchmake them all into games

[trail heath]

Damage output nerf:
Fv4005
Rdf/lt
Amx 13
Wz122
Ignis
Rock crawler

[bright dew]

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just that it won't work

[trail heath]

Armor:
Fv4211
477a
Chieftain ctr

Rate of fire: chieftain 120

Camo: wiesel

Insane ability to circle: fv101 fv107

That's what the problem is an what has to be nerfed.

Wolverine: either armor or damage output. Forgot that one.

[versed jacinth]

Reducing the amount of a tank per game doesn't make the tank fair. Just makes the queue longer

[bright dew]

WG hasn't nerfed anything properly in so long it hurts

[craggy olive]

That’s why they have bots to fill mm games?!

[trail heath]

That's a last resort.

[bright dew]

Yeah but there's a reason bot is used as an insult

[craggy olive]

Fv4211 and CTR are easily penetrated in their commander hatches, the 4211’s top commander hatch even got “nerfed” so that it was easier to penetrate

[trail heath]

And they're still ridiculously hard to pen, much more than anything else.

[bright dew]

There was a bug causing it to act janky, they patched it and it's now less brain rotting to fight

[trail heath]

No other tank is as difficult to pen, with that included.

They bounce half the shots.

That are fired at them.

[craggy olive]

No they’re not, I go up against them all the time and every single time I get dmg, you can penetrate those with HE with a M60A2 and get 1,000 dmg!

[trail heath]

Compare to how easy it is to pen any other tank.

No competition.

[bright dew]

It's still not as bad as the E3 & 4 in WW2

[trail heath]

Yes, but still bad

[craggy olive]

So you want all tanks to be easily penetrated equally?! That doesn’t seem right?

[trail heath]

Not being easily penetrated when everything else is is a big advantage

Huge advantage

[craggy olive]

Don’t just RB- RT every tank, actually look down your barrel and aim at weak spots on the tank and use some skill in the game.

[trail heath]

I'm a super uni, dude. I killed 3 fv4211 today with 30b2 mg.

[craggy olive]

Then why are you complaining about them then?!

You just want to make them easier for others that may not have that same knowledge or skill level as you do for taking care of “op” tanks?

[trail heath]

They're annoying to pen, as I actually have to try.

[trail heath]

And that too.

[craggy olive]

Why not then share your knowledge and experience with others instead of making them easier for experienced players. I enjoy “having to actually try” , if I don’t have a challenge in the match, the game gets boring and I don’t have fun playing the game anymore.

[trail heath]

I'm just one person, and I have asperger's: horrible at explaining.

As just one of the many symptoms.

And I'm typing between matches. Just in case you wonder why I take so long.

[craggy olive]

I’m doing the same 😂

[craggy olive]

I guess what I’m trying to say is let’s not make the game easier for experienced players by nerfing challenging tanks, instead lets learn the weaknesses of those challenging tanks and then share those with inexperienced players so they can be better prepared when faced with those challenging tanks

[trail heath]

You forgot that those experienced players may be playing the op tanks?

Against new players?

In bad ones?

[deft trench]

🤣

[craggy olive]

And? So you’re saying that the experienced players who have challenging tanks should be nerfed and punished for being good at the game rather then the new players learning how to play against those challenging tanks and learning the weaknesses of them? I’ve been a light tank before (not using missiles) and can take out a fv4211 with the knowledge that I have no problem. I would rather the new players suffer a little bit and learn how to play the game better rather than make the game easier for them

[spice wadi]

The only OP tank is Molot

[craggy olive]

The only thing that should be nerfed is changing the word “overpowered” to “challenging”. We all suffered some tough games when these challenging tanks first came out, but those that truly want to become better experienced players were able to find the weaknesses of those tanks and exploit them. I will admit that when a large group of these challenging tanks are against you it makes them unfair, but that’s why the limit of how many of the same names tank should be considered for matchmaking and if bots have to be used, so be it.

[versed jacinth]

No tank should be more "challenging" to fight than another. A balanced tank needs to have equal strengths and weaknesses. This allows even fights where playing your tank's strengths should lead to a win

[deft trench]

I love chaos lol every time a challenging tank comes out I get so excited because it's just another fire cracker being thrown into the flame and that excites me

[trail heath]

You trying really hard to be edgy, aren't you?

[deft trench]

Make things harder! Make things unfair! Make us work! It's a free game so yes I want you to CHALLENGE me!

[trail heath]

Just so you know, it comes off as funny, not cool.

[deft trench]

Lol okay?

No I'm not trying to be edgy lol

I just enjoy challenging things

Even in extreme amounts

[versed jacinth]

This is a pvp game btw. Outcomes should be decided by how players use their tanks, not by which tank has a clear advantage

[craggy olive]

This is a multiplayer game. More like a player vs player/bot. I’d even be okay with being put in 7v7 pvp games if they don’t have enough people players to fill a 15v15 game then be put in a 15v15 p/bot vs p/bot game

[trail heath]

De ce arăți semne obscene? Nu-i frumos! 😂

[craggy olive]

https://tenor.com/view/translate-it-for-me-in-english-i-need-translate-mr-iglesias-netflix-gif-17558611

[silver kraken]

How many of the tanks listed above are Premiums?

[craggy olive]

Like 90%?

[versed jacinth]

Premium tank marketing seems to have gone from boosted earn rates to boosted stats. It's pretty crazy how tier 8 looks if you filter it by damage

[craggy olive]

Listed in this conversation or data listing on damage per tanks

[silver kraken]

⬆️ just here.

[craggy olive]

Then what are you talking about with regards to t8 tanks dmg when this is geared towards Cold War “challenging” tanks?

[versed jacinth]

Just saying there is an existing trend in making premium tanks outperform TT ones

[craggy olive]

That’s usually the case the pay to win premium is designed to be a better version of a tt tank.

They usually have more hp, slightly better armor, more dpm, better reload, different type of gun ( single shot or auto loader), etc

[versed jacinth]

It's tragic really. I would hope the boosted earn rates or cool designs would be enough

[silver kraken]

And don't forget make silver. Premiums use to be 'worse' performance wise but made silver/XP to make them 'sellable' and make grinding TT tanks still worth the time and effort. But not anymore sadly.

[bright dew]

There are still a few niche exceptions that do have worse stats

[craggy olive]

Most of those are ww2 tanks with different gun modules or caliber shells

[bright dew]

Yeah but I still figured it was worth mentioning

[craggy olive]

This was when it was just ww2 and premium t8s were the “best” way to grind silver 😂

[halcyon nebula]

U missing Bulldog LT on that list i think it might be better than FVs because those will need expensive premium ammo

[halcyon nebula]

Sure and u can also "easily" pen another "huge" weak spots like driver s visor or through front wheel. I mean ofc if u playing against brain impaired player who sits there and dont move.
I srsly sometimes dont get it how this community is so ignorrant to defend ALL the time the most broken, most owerpowered and most performing vehicles and then expect that this ignorance is somehow some kind of virtue or something.
Well i hope u like broken game. I guess at least somebody enjoys it, when player count goes down, because there s no real balance in MM or in vehicles.

[craggy olive]

I find it funny that so far it’s the unicum players that are complaining about challenging tanks and not so much the “brain impaired” players in this discussion

[versed jacinth]

Probably because the unis spend more time in the game and learning the ins and outs of how it plays. If they are calling a tank unbalanced it's more often than not got good reasons behind it

[pulsar orbit]

If stuff was as unbalanced as most of you say they are then wouldn't you think the newer players would be the ones complaining since they have to struggle against it not the ones who know all the weakspots

[deft trench]

OP Driver + Bad Tank = OP Tank
OP Driver + OP Tank = Crybabies
Bad Tank + Potato = Crap Teams
OP Tank + Potato = WG Profit $

There's no such thing as an over powered tank!

[narrow dust]

Every tank can be countered. Just learn the game

[deft trench]

YES

[versed jacinth]

They quit

[pulsar orbit]

But they dont

If that was true then explain why era 1 is pretty much new players

[narrow dust]

Honestly in my opinion there are only two OP tanks in the game

477 and 4005

Rest is fine

[versed jacinth]

They do, at least in my experience. Heck I initially quit because of 5/4s for 6 years until a friend begged me to reinstall.

[pulsar orbit]

Sure in your own personal experience you quit because of it but that doesn't mean others do

[versed jacinth]

You good bruh?

[narrow dust]

You alright?

[craggy olive]

They quit because they aren’t willing to put in the time and effort to learn the ins and outs like the players who actually want to be good at the game

[deft trench]

I need more tears to distill fine wine

[versed jacinth]

I've tried to bring more of my friends and they have had similar experiences. Quiting from 4005s nowadays. They hate being one shot by someone they don't see

[narrow dust]

The 4005 is overpowered

[versed jacinth]

It's hard to get knocked flat for hundreds of games and keep playing

[pulsar orbit]

Learn how to use the maps and surroundings lol it's really easy

[versed jacinth]

The 4005 doesn't exactly leave room for new players to make a mistake

[narrow dust]

That’s why it’s OP

[deft trench]

I hunt 4005s in my 107 like a rabid rat hunts a crippled cat!

[narrow dust]

But this thread isn’t about the 4005

So let’s move on

[versed jacinth]

It's about op cw tanks

Of which they mentioned 4005 explicitly

[pulsar orbit]

Bruh I have 14k battles in 2 years and as of recently with the caps and one sided matches it continues to knock alot of people flat for hundreds of battles and guess what I haven't quit yet

[narrow dust]

My list of OP tanks in CW:

None.

[versed jacinth]

Because you already understand the game.

[craggy olive]

That’s why it’s “challenging”

[pulsar orbit]

Just because I understand something doesn't make it better

[deft trench]

The game is NOT challenging enough

[versed jacinth]

Do you know how hard it is to convince a friend to keep getting one tapped when they don't understand the game yet?

[pulsar orbit]

Do you know how hard it is to convince a friend when the game ends in 2 minutes

[narrow dust]

The FV4005 is more game breaking than the 477 to be fair

[pulsar orbit]

Absolutely not

[narrow dust]

The tank itself isn’t too OP but when you consider the negative impact it has on new players

[craggy olive]

Have you tried teaching them or sharing videos that might help them understand and learn more about the mechanics and tactics of the game?!

[versed jacinth]

It's a video game, it should be fun

[narrow dust]

And 7 barns per team

[deft trench]

The 4005 and the 477 are what I pick on are you kidding me?!

[versed jacinth]

I try

[deft trench]

That's fun!

[versed jacinth]

Hard for them to understand when they can and can't peek until they do it

[pulsar orbit]

The fun is learning, if you don't want to learn then that's they're problem

[narrow dust]

@versed jacinth just look at this

[deft trench]

This game is called world of TANKS not world of WIMPS

[pulsar orbit]

One out of many games lol, doesn't happen all the time

[versed jacinth]

Yep and that's why I stay outta cw when I can avoid it

[narrow dust]

What do you expect me to learn when there are 7 barns per team

[versed jacinth]

Respectfully, you are adding nothing to this conversation

[pulsar orbit]

So limit the tank real simple boom problem solved

[narrow dust]

Learn to count to 7

They won’t

So nerf it

[pulsar orbit]

Nerfing it won't change anything either

[deft trench]

Lol I just say what everyone thinks

[pulsar orbit]

They get to an advantages position and destroy you anyway

[narrow dust]

It would be good if the number was limited but they won’t limit the number

So just nerf the crap out of it

[pulsar orbit]

No because then why have it at all

[versed jacinth]

Yes I'm sure everyone was thinking this. Add constructive criticism of the topic, not ramblings

[deft trench]

I bet I've blown your turret off

[pulsar orbit]

Ok and only complaining about a tank is constructive criticism

[deft trench]

🤣

[narrow dust]

Guys don’t go too far

Just a game

[pulsar orbit]

Why nerf one tank when other tanks need buffs

[versed jacinth]

I've said it's damaging to the new player experience. But here I'll add some more. Bring its camo and mobility down so it isn't so easy to seal club. Give new players opportunities to move around the map

[deft trench]

Complaining is just words

[narrow dust]

Era 1 is just power crept

[pulsar orbit]

People would still seal club lmao and just as easy

[pulsar orbit]

So is every single era and tier

[narrow dust]

Era 2 is fine

[deft trench]

Get up and do something about it

[pulsar orbit]

Nah it's not

[narrow dust]

What tank is OP

[versed jacinth]

It would make it harder to peek in a 4005 without being shot back at and stop them from contesting key positions so quickly.

[pulsar orbit]

So your saying having 8 4211s on one team is balanced

[deft trench]

They said the molot was OP so I went out on a quest and figured out how to kill it

It's that simple

[narrow dust]

When it’s the last time you have seen 8 FV4211s on each team

[pulsar orbit]

The other day actually

[narrow dust]

2 years ago?

[deft trench]

Nerfing things just makes the game too easy

[pulsar orbit]

Nope

[craggy olive]

Then maybe those new players don’t want to get better, but that doesn’t mean that the better players should get punished and have challenging tanks be nerfed to make them easier and boring for them to play

[narrow dust]

It makes the game balanced

[pulsar orbit]

So does buffing the tanks that need it

[narrow dust]

Tanks are too strong right now. Not too weak

[pulsar orbit]

Not all of them lmfao and you know that as much as everyone else

[narrow dust]

Anyway this is not the discussion for the FV4005

So

[deft trench]

Gnight all 🤣 this was fun

[pulsar orbit]

Exactly! You've just said it best

While one tank could use a very slight adjustment the rest are perfectly fine or need some slight buffs

Btw the only tank that could use a slight tweak (nerf) is the 477 and that's it

Tbh at this point I'm gonna say 99% of those are perfectly fine

[narrow dust]

477 not fine

Bulldog not fine

[pulsar orbit]

That's the 1%

[narrow dust]

AMX 40 not fine

[pulsar orbit]

The rest are fine

[narrow dust]

292 not fine

Wiesel not fine

[pulsar orbit]

I have zero issues with any of them

[narrow dust]

4005 not fine

Lol

[pulsar orbit]

The only one not fine in all of cw in terms of being to powerful is the 477

[narrow dust]

Since they won’t nerf premiums I’ll remove all premium tanks from the list

[pulsar orbit]

Then they are all fine

[bright dew]

Because not every balance problem can be fixed through buffs

The last 2 years has proven this

[pulsar orbit]

Hmm really they haven't buffed or nerfed much in the last 2 years

[narrow dust]

Armadillo

All merks

[pulsar orbit]

Not in the last 2 years lol

I've been playing for 2 and a half years

And they've done maybe 2 or 3 balance patches since I've started

The armadillo was before I started, same with the merks

[bright dew]

Last proper nerf was ages ago and any changes since has been a buff

And guess what? The games balance is still awful

[versed jacinth]

And in a lot of ways worse as most the busted tanks are less than 2 years old

[narrow dust]

The CW mercenaries shouldn’t be added

[bright dew]

The ONLY people who complained about the armadillo being nerfed were the ones who rode the "OP tank must get" bandwagon

[pulsar orbit]

And the reason they won't do proper nerfs is because you all would cry and complain about it

Peace sells isn't mercenary

[versed jacinth]

We really wouldn't, we are literally calling for the nerfs

[narrow dust]

Isn’t a real tank

[pulsar orbit]

And then you all would complain or demand refunds for your premiums they touched

[versed jacinth]

Nope

[pulsar orbit]

It's a prototype so yeah it was

[pulsar orbit]

Yep

[versed jacinth]

I hope they nerf them so I can enjoy the rest of my hard earned vehicles

[pulsar orbit]

I've seen alot of people say they would demand refunds if they ever touched them

[versed jacinth]

I dont think anyone is going to call for nerfs AND a refund. Those 2 are mutually exclusive

[bright dew]

Excuse you? The only people who would complain about nerfing an OP tank are the ones who enjoy abusing it

Both me and Sturm understand the whole "cause and effect" thing game balance brimgs

[pulsar orbit]

Get better at the game lol I have no issues playing any tt tank against the premiums

[versed jacinth]

And those people don't ask for their precious tank to be nerfed. They fight tooth and nail to prevent it

[narrow dust]

Fake tanks in CW
GI JOE
Iron Maiden
Megadeth
Mercs

[pulsar orbit]

Yes they do some of them

But anyway I'm out of here since nothing anyone will say will change your one way minds so I'm done with this bs

[narrow dust]

Anyway

[versed jacinth]

I love when actual concerns are met with a variation of "skill issue". Truly my favorite argument

[bright dew]

It's an arcade style game

There's been "fake tanks" for years

[versed jacinth]

I dont mind a little fake tank shenanigans but it's really annoying when they are too strong.

[bright dew]

Still want the GuP

[versed jacinth]

So anyways to steer us a bit more back to the initial tanks mentioned. We already went through 4005 and Molot. I think the rock Crawler is probably fine. I haven't fought it much but nothing about its stats scream broken to me. Amx 13 tca could maybe have a bit longer intraclip on the atgms imo. Ignis I'm also not sure on what to really hit, it's strong but I'm not sure how to change it. The Cheiftain 120 could probably go with just a few lil nerf to the gun either reload or handling. The CTR I have 0 idea on

Ah I missed the rdf, needs a bit longer intraclip or clip reload

[craggy olive]

So are “overpowered” tanks challenging when good players play them or are they “overpowered” tanks when inexperienced players don’t know how to handle a challenging tank? This sounds exactly like a “skill issue”

[bright dew]

It's a collection of things that can make a tank OP

From something as simple as DPM to a more complex culmination of stats

Look at that new tank they just added, the one with the rockets

That thing gets more DPM than several tier 10s combined

Or the Pz 5/4, what made that OP was it's combination of high health, weight, armour and speed for its tier and classification

[craggy olive]

Are you referring to the t6 calliope?

[deft trench]

DPM don't mean 💩 if you can't aim with it lol

[versed jacinth]

They are overpowered in all circumstances. A strong player will dominate, an average player will win more often than usual, and a weak player will also win more often than usual. This information is available to us on wotstars where you can see the tank winrate vs the players in it at each winrate %.

Oops meant to respond to magic

The most obvious example of an OP tank is found in the Molot and here is the graph of its win rates

As you can see the molot is significantly overperforming at nearly every skill level except for ~38% winrate players

Players in this tank are just simply doing better than they do in any other tank

[pulsar orbit]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder why

It wouldn't happen to be It's broken frontal armor, trollish side and rear armor and extremely powerful main gun and secondary gun would it that allows less then average players to do well in it

Oh and lack of weakspots

[versed jacinth]

Yeah I think that might all play a factor in it 🤔

So that's one tank on this list given a graph. Should I move to the next worst offender?

[pulsar orbit]

Nah because the 4005 is fine and honestly so are the rest

[versed jacinth]

The 4005? Sure let me pull that one

[pulsar orbit]

The 477 didn't need a graph or anything to prove or show it being broken

[versed jacinth]

Here is the graph of the 4005

As you can see the tank is doing disproportionately well in the hands of the weakest players below 40% and in the hands of strong players at 50% and higher

[deft trench]

I'm actually intrigued lol ngl

[versed jacinth]

It serves those groups very well and even those not performing as well are staying within 3% of their winrate

[pulsar orbit]

Bah it's called skill/ a ton of good rng

[versed jacinth]

We can't chalk up the bulk stats of the most played tank in the game as rng

[pulsar orbit]

But we can

[versed jacinth]

As far as statistics go the larger the sample is the smaller the deviations will be

[pulsar orbit]

With its accuracy and sometimes bad rng damage or depending on the range rng has a big part in it

[versed jacinth]

Oh certainly you can get unlucky from time to time. But the more games you play the more that the percentages balance out. 50/50 for damage 50/50 on close hits/misses. This tank being the most played tank currently gives it the best chance at being the closest to that perfect split in rng

I think that addresses the 4005 enough for now honestly

[pulsar orbit]

And it's the most played because of the gun and nothing else

[versed jacinth]

What tank next?

[pulsar orbit]

None because your boring me with numbers nobody cares about lol

[versed jacinth]

Oh certainly who doesn't love a massive gun. I know I love em that's why I got my sturmtiger

[pulsar orbit]

Exactly that's why people play it so the only way to properly nerf it would be to nerf the gun which would make people never play it again

You can nerf the speed and camo as much as you like and people would still play it because of the gun

[versed jacinth]

The goal isn't to stop people from playing it. It is to make the tank fair to fight against. Lower speed and camo open up the opportunity to outmanuever it and get the first shot

[pulsar orbit]

It's perfectly fine and easy to fight

[versed jacinth]

Take the ww2 version. It's a fair tank to fight. You can outspot it to get the first shot and in most lighter armored tanks you can easily outmaneuver it.

Currently this can't really be done in cw

[pulsar orbit]

Yes it can by many tanks

[versed jacinth]

There are some tanks that are faster, some that are more stealthy. But by in large there are less tanks in the match capable of pulling these moves off

[pulsar orbit]

Hmm then explain why I could do it in many mediums, lights and the m103a1

Without dying

Against good players

[versed jacinth]

I'm not saying it is impossible to do. I am saying it is much harder than it should be

[pulsar orbit]

It's not hard at all lol, it's called learn how to do it and if your not willing to learn and adapt then why play wot

[versed jacinth]

May I move to the next tank? It seems we are just repeating

[pulsar orbit]

No because I'm actually done this time because before I know it you'll say the m24 Chaffee is op

Or the pt-76

Or any other tank in cw

[versed jacinth]

I'm hitting the tanks on the ops list. I think I'll do the wiesel now

[pulsar orbit]

Go right ahead but I know you'll add more lmao I've seen what you guys can do and you ain't gonna lie to me and think I won't call you out like you all have and still do to me

So enjoy looking cool when it's really not doing graphs most people either don't care to see or don't even know it exists

[versed jacinth]

When have I lied here? And in what way am I "calling you out"? I am providing publicly available evidence to back up my claims. You may cross reference it if you like

[pulsar orbit]

You've called me out numerous times on many occasions maybe not in this thread but in a few other threads you and many others have so with that how does one trust or believe anything that's said when all people do is chew you out for your opinions. That's why I'm not giving much of anything anymore

Look at the 4005 thread that was made, you've reacted to many of people who were talking trash about my thoughts and opinions basically laughing at it

[versed jacinth]

Could you show me an example?

[pulsar orbit]

No cause I'm not bothered anymore I just simply won't post anymore

[versed jacinth]

That way I can avoid it in the future

It's usually a good idea to back up what you say with data or proof. I will say my argument earlier about my friends quitting stuff was pretty anecdotal and a weak argument on my part

It is true but not something I can really prove

[pulsar orbit]

If I don't post there won't be anything for people to chew me out for which means less toxicity from all since obviously my opinions are wrong to everyone

[versed jacinth]

Support the opinions with evidence. It makes it much more credible. Also the amount of times you have said something along the lines of "get better" really doesn't make for a friendly debate

[pulsar orbit]

I've left all threads and don't really want to go back into them since I have zero reason to be in them anymore, everyone is so stuck on one thing it doesn't matter what others opinions are anyway at least to all of you

[pulsar orbit]

Yeah after I get ripped apart for an opinion yes I'll say get better or skill issue

[versed jacinth]

Have you tried instead offering information to back up your opinion?

Any sort of data to reinforce what you believe?

[pulsar orbit]

I have numerous times but it don't matter since even if I said the wiesel is fine and gave any amounts of evidence you all would say it's fake or made up so no I'm done. I'll continue to enjoy this game for what it is and that's that. There's only a few things I'd like to see fixed but there's no reason to post it since 95% of you would disagree

[versed jacinth]

See you could have sent this wiesel graph that I just grabbed. Because based off the graph this tank isn't overpowered. It's just annoying to fight

[pulsar orbit]

That's how toxic you guys are in this server

[versed jacinth]

This Xellshun fella is an absolute character

[pulsar orbit]

I used it as an example

[versed jacinth]

It's a dang good example

Statistically speaking the wiesel isn't a problem

Gameplay wise the only issue I have with it is the weird physics

And it's just generally annoying

[pulsar orbit]

Yeah sure but I'm not gonna worry about this game anymore, instead I'll play it for what it is and continue to have fun when I'm not in a one sided matches or capped out

And if the day comes that this game somehow dies then I'll move onto something else

[pulsar orbit]

Me daily coming into the wot server seeing a million threads complaining about a tank

[trail heath]

where's nm-116

[pulsar orbit]

Bruh really now your just adding bs to the list that has nothing wrong with it

Anyway I'm out now for sure this time since we aren't/weren't getting anywhere useful

[trail heath]

i see a platoon of them 24/7

it's really good td

And who thinks the t-72av AMX30A needs a nerf🤣

[versed jacinth]

Nm-116 btw

In WW2 it's a flat menace tho

[umbral iron]

CW 4005 - AP removal, HESH pen nerf, camo nerf, speed nerf
FV101/FV107 - those tanks are fine.
RDL/LT - strong, but I don't think it needs a nerf.
Chieftain CTR - is 100% fine, it has waskspots, slow and is a casemade
CH/120 - DPM nerf
AMX SS-11 - does not need a nerf, if anything it needs a buff.
WZ-122 - mostly fine IMO.
Ignis - The ATGM shouldn't count as a secondary weapon. (It should be similar to the M60A2)
Rock Crawler - lmao, that tank is not good in era 2. If anything could use a buff.
Wiesel - needs to be classed as a light and a small camo nerf, that's it.
477A - 30mm overhaul (same with thr BMPs), rear half of the turret needs to be damagable, the 30mm feed system needs to be damagable, I would like a 360 turret in exchange for it being damagable and a speed limit to be similar to the Chieftain Mk.11.

Maybe historical reverse speed similar to a T-72 or T-80.

IMO era 2 and 3 need a general penetration nerf

[umbral iron]

The Wolverine does NOT need a nerf.

Just load HE or HEAT, and it's armor becomes meaningless.

[trail heath]

bad players make good tanks look weak

[trail heath]

atgm helps

[versed jacinth]

Nah fam that is showing even 70% winrate players are doing worse than their averages

[umbral iron]

They have the same ricochet angle HEAT, so the same rule applies

[umbral iron]

@trail heath what makes you say that the Wolverine is too strong? Same with the CTR?

[trail heath]

Armor. And no, I only use apfsds. Heat on amx 30 pens it every time tho. Don't use premium ammo either.

[umbral iron]

Then that is a you issue. There is counters to its armor, and you are choosing to not use them.

The armor is an auto-ricochet to any non 181mm ap shell. HEAT, HE and HESH all will pen its frontal armor with ease.

[trail heath]

The base of the pillar that keeps its missiles is penable by ap.

[umbral iron]

And the cupola

My point is, it's armor is only good if you only fire ap.

And if you are choosing not to use all the tools at your disposal, then that is a you issue, and not the tank being overpowered.

[trail heath]

It takes time to change munition. And I often don't have that.

[umbral iron]

Again, a you problem.

[trail heath]

You didn't even think that the molot's armor is op.

[umbral iron]

I do

[trail heath]

Then why isn't it in your list of nerfs?

[umbral iron]

It literally is

[trail heath]

No, it's just the BACK of the turret you talked about.

[umbral iron]

And that is because there is ammo stored in the back of the turret, and the 30mm feed system could lead into an ammo rack when shot.

[trail heath]

That's not the frontal armor, which literally has no weakspot.

[umbral iron]

And when I said rear half, I'm talking about the sides, and the rear itself.

It's fine if a tank doesn't have frontal weakspots if it has other major weaknesses.

And adding the 30mm feed system to the damagable area would give it another frontal weak spot.

[trail heath]

No, no other tank has no frontal weakspots.

And what side do you think you will be facing 90% of the time?

[umbral iron]

It has a frontal weak spot to 700mm of sabot pen.

Currently

And again, the 30mm would act as a weak spot if it were added.

[trail heath]

I'll never understand those like you who defend the most blatantly broken things.

[umbral iron]

I'm literally not defending it

And this was about the Wolverine and CTR.

You changed the conversation, then started to make claims that aren't true.

[trail heath]

What did I claim that wasn't true?

[umbral iron]

That I am defending the molot, that I think it's armor is fine currently.

[trail heath]

Yes, the frontal armor you literally said it's fine with no weakspots.

[umbral iron]

If it had other weaknesses

[trail heath]

And, no, only 3 tanks have over 800mm of pen and over to use that tiny spot.

[umbral iron]

I said 700mm

[trail heath]

And a bit of angle, you won't pen with 700mm.

Therefore need 800mm to be reliable.

[umbral iron]

That is currently

And my suggestion would also give it a frontal weak spot

Or if it even angled the turret the slightest, it would become a weak spot

[trail heath]

That doesn't sound reliable. It depends too much on how you're facing it.

[umbral iron]

Dude, the 30mm feed system is literally always visible if it is facing you frontally.

[trail heath]

Why do you want it to keep its horribly op armor? Are you one of the people abusing it?

[umbral iron]

I wouldn't

I'm literally making its armor worse

[trail heath]

No, it needs the lower plate to be easily penetrable.

[umbral iron]

Not if it has a turret weak spot

Guess the 268v4 is overpowered because it doesn't have a reliable lower front plate weak spot huh?

[trail heath]

I don't play ww2, but many more tanks are op there from what I've been able to see.

[umbral iron]

My literally making its frontal turret armor weak to 40mm of pen.

And vulnerable to frontal ammo racks

If you don't think that is a weakspot then I don't know what else to say.

[trail heath]

It's not an a weakspot that can be used from any angle.

The mg is only on the right.

Relative to your position.

[umbral iron]

The sides are only 30 or 60mm thick. If it angles the turret to try and hide the autocannon, the sides now become a weak spot.

And again, if it's gun is actively facing you, the 30mm is visible.

All of what I suggested is within the games current logic, and wouldn't be adding something that doesn't exist.

Guess you would rather have a weak spot that is easily hidden rather than one that is always visible

[trail heath]

Ok, you win.

[zealous quiver]

Gif wont post, that sucks

[trail heath]

?

[zealous quiver]

I wanted to post a gif but it wouldnt load

[trail heath]

Ok

[halcyon nebula]

Objective reality is objective reality, no matter what u re, potatoe, unicum or stripper

[earnest flare]

Hey look theres my old commander!

[earnest flare]

Yeah and maybe the ignis purgato too?

[halcyon basin]

Dunno, that one is so rare that I'm not sure

[empty bobcat]

Yeah the main 3 tanks in era3 that need nerfed into the dirt is the molot 292 weasel but not only that but heavily reduce the speed off road for everything that would stop the yolo tactic completely

[trail heath]

Yeah, being better, we just are able to see how things work out against eachother better. We're more aware of the differences and how they play out, and that's also why we're better.

[earnest flare]

Maybe not the wiesel as much as the 292 and molot, dont get me wrong the wiesel needs a nerf, but it can get absolutely destroyed quickly, if the team does their part.

[empty bobcat]

Ik it can die very fast but it's beyond broken

It has magical armor despite only having 5mm of it it's stupid small and has crazy camo

[earnest flare]

Ive had the armor issue before, but its because its sides are angled and when its turning and it gets hit at lets say a 70~ degrees its not gonna pen sadly.

Kinda like this without the building

[empty bobcat]

Well yeah but it's 5mm of armor somehow stopping 500+ apfsds it's not logical at all

[versed jacinth]

5mm of armor would straight up get overmatched by anything that isn't heat or HE. You might just be hitting that panel of spaced armor on the side without hitting the actual hit box of the tank. Jt would register as a bounce even though it effectively didn't hit at all

[pulsar orbit]

But that doesn't explain how you bounce of the Rear from a flat angle on any tank

[craggy olive]

It’s like skipping a rock off of water

[empty bobcat]

Yeah that's one way to think about it 🤔

[true ridge]

Dear WG: Any prem tanks you decide to nerf, please offer us a refund, those that want it will take, and those that don't will keep their tanks.

[earnest flare]

Yeah pretty much

[pulsar orbit]

👎👎😂

[earnest flare]

Fr

[earnest flare]

Thats like paying 100 bucks for a concert ticket and wanting a refund even though you saw the full performance

[true ridge]

Your analogy couldn't be further from the truth.

[bright dew]

Why would WG let people refund their premiums the second they get nerfed?

That's literally the dumbest thing they could do

[true ridge]

They did with the Armadillo.

[true ridge]

Also if they don't refund then it's like Bait and Switch, they make OP tanks people buy them, then they nerf them, after they've in a sense stolen our money, that would be especially true, if they knowingly made OP premiums with plans to nerf them a year later.

[zealous quiver]

They did it with the armadillo because enough people complained about it in a short period of time

[true ridge]

It's statistically proven that the Era 3 Heavies are more Op than the TD's so those can go first

[trail heath]

That is straight up false.

[true ridge]

Do you even know what I'm refering to when you say that ?

[trail heath]

There's no way that anything is more op than the molot and wiesel. 😂

[empty bobcat]

You mentioned that video but what about Riki,s response video he suggested heavily reducing everything's speed off road because the listed speed is on road speed not off road if that nerf would happen then era3 would feel like era1 in speed

Would be a massive change

[trail heath]

I doubt there are 90 heavis in era 3.😂

[true ridge]

• %

[true ridge]

The clown emoji was bit insulting and not needed, don't you think ?

[trail heath]

I think it was well placed.

[true ridge]

It's basically telling somebody that they're an idiot and be removed. It has no place in the discord.

[trail heath]

Then why is it an option?

[true ridge]

Because it hasn't been removed yet. If it turned out, that infact I was a better over all player than you were, or had a wiser and better grasp of the game than you did, would you still use it as a put down ?

[trail heath]

Give me your ps gamertag. I'll search you up on wotstars.

And we'll see.

[true ridge]

What's yours ?

[pulsar orbit]

Both of you quit the bs, this isn't the thread for that and should be done either in general chat or privately

[earnest flare]

Agreed

[trail heath]

If you were so confident that you were better than me, you would've given it by now. But anyway, Brisky7469. And don't lie: my wn8 is 3620. (And I don't play low tiers) And I won't believe anything you say until you give me yours to check.

[true ridge]

How long have you been involved with the game. Is that your only account ever ?

[trail heath]

Why are you beating around the bush?

Give me your gamertag so I can check if you're so good.

[true ridge]

I've always stayed private here, You're not new or special as far as that goes.

Did say I was so good, I said, I may be better and may have more game knowledge and experience with the game.

[trail heath]

Then your word means jack $%#@ to me and I won't regard you as anything more than a noob, because you can't prove anything.

[earnest flare]

Nvm

[true ridge]

Have you had other gametags over the years ?

[trail heath]

Irelevant. Give me your gamertag to check or you have lost this argument.

[earnest flare]

Nice wn8

Btw

[trail heath]

Thanks, if that's not sarcastic.

[earnest flare]

Its not at all!

[trail heath]

Ok, thx.

[earnest flare]

3623 wn8 aint no joke!

No offense, but youre judging him..yet you wont give us ur gamer tag?

[true ridge]

Because I know what I am, who I am, how long I've been around. I never offered mine. That has Zero to do with him.

[trail heath]

And unless you prove who you "are", your word holds no weight.

And I do better in the 277 than the is7.

[true ridge]

I'm "Sure" that you do.

[trail heath]

And yeah, I play for cw. Got a problem? This whole thread was about cw.

[trail heath]

And I'm "sure" you're so amazing when you're too afraid to show your stats.

[true ridge]

What need the speed nerfs are the MBT's, they can outrun and outgun, out armor, and out health pool all other classes, the only thing the TD's like theJaguar and Wiesel can do is hide better, and the Wiesel as it is now is a little pest. The heavies need a serious nerf, even if that's not what the average player wants. Perhaps they should make it so only TD's have and certain lights have missiles.(as in some of the lights having missiles removed, but being buffed in other areas) I this is won't be popular, but when have I ever cared about that: I would make it so only certain TD's can have missiles, because that would set them appart and give them a unique playstyle, lights would have either standard or auto cannons. I would take liberties to balance the game for fun, and actual balance, and not to be so historically accurate. Because by Era 3 the only thing that is really, META and competitive, are the MBT's another reason not to go to more modern than what we have. Ppl are simple minded and they often don't realize what they're actually asking for in games like this. It was smart to have something like a year 2000 cutoff point. For many reasons you need something like that, even if some don't realize why it's needed.

It was a slapfish jr vid from a week ago about Era 3 being broken, which we all know, but he found that something like 90% of the heavies had enough DPM to destroy themselves in less than 1 min. By far more than any other class. What I'm talking about is a whole. If you're a classic simpleton that mainly plays MBT type tanks, then you're part of the problem and not the solution and the reason you may feel chaffed and in need of moist soothing moisture is because you've been hurt by someone else being able to stand up to your missionary position only for life, choice of tanks and playstyle. Also the 477 Mullet is just a heavy tank, that never should've been put in the game. Everybody knows it inclucing WG, so I don't even count that tank as a heavy or a TD. That tank should be a one and done refund and remove. I suggested keeping the Wiesel the way it is, but slighly buffing it's gun handling, (a couple things that need addressing, and Not DPM) but removing its ability to fire at all on the move.

[trail heath]

Show your stats instead of blocking like a snowflake if you want to be taken seriously.

[true ridge]

It could be when the account was apparently started 3years ago, and it show's that he 2 marked the tier 9 patton but at least to what Wot Stars is showing, never played the Pershing, T20 and Shermans ect... This account as a bunch of random low tier tanks, mostly russian ish, but really came alive for CW tanks, most, if not nearly all big tanks are CW ones. He does have however have a random tier 10 IS7, just out of the blue sitting there. He should probably grow up and remove the clown emoji's because I don't think he has any room to talk.
Oh and a quite a few random mid tier premium tanks.

[trail heath]

Copypasta?

Really?

[trail heath]

You're shaming me for not playing ww2 tanks on a cw thread when disscussing cw. Let that sink in.

[true ridge]

That account that your trying show clout with a is basically a 3yr old Cw re roll account.

More or less.

[trail heath]

I didn't even have a console 4 years ago. I'm 18.

And again, your word means nothing if you're going on skill. Because you refuse to show your stats. And I mean cw stats. This is a cw thread.

[true ridge]

Exactly why you don't have the maturity or wisdom to be saying "JACK" to me about this game. When I started 10 years ago today, you were 8 yrs old.

[trail heath]

And re-roll for what? The last month is what counts.

[trail heath]

Ageism. You're only proving that age!=maturity.

[true ridge]

That's what somebody without wisdom and experience would say. Exactly that.

[earnest flare]

God will you two shut up?

[trail heath]

You're just proving that age doesn't necessarily equal maturity.

[earnest flare]

I got muted for like 3 days for doing exactly this.

[trail heath]

Some never grow up.

[bright dew]

🙄💀

[versed jacinth]

[true ridge]

This is a direct insult and not needed. I'd hope that you'd have the sense to appologize and delete that.

[versed jacinth]

Mfw personal skill level is entirely anecdotal and doesn't belong in a discussion where statistical evidence is available 😬