Console API

[rigid fiber]

Respectfully, terrible idea. It would be much better if they went to sell more cosmetics or something

[rigid fiber]

A) The stats in game are so poorly displayed that people go to third party sites
B) Nobody will pay for that

This community is already so price gouged. Putting stats behind a pay wall would exacerbate the problem.

Currently the niche is filled by 3rd party sites who do a better job than WG at communicating stats for free.

Putting higher costs on using said 3rd party sites by charging them more to use the API, or by directly charging players will only further destroy the community

[arctic fern]

Because nobody will pay for it and the people won't make money

[rigid fiber]

Like truly how did we arrive at charge per person to use the API instead of something obvious like cosmetics

Name some please because I have never heard of charging players to see their own stats

[arctic fern]

No companies have charged their player base to see their stats

[rigid fiber]

Ah yes well known video games that charge for their stats.

[arctic fern]

Funny video games lol

[rigid fiber]

Surely buying Twitter verification wasn't an unpopular idea either

[arctic fern]

I bet alot of people hated that idea

Why should we have to pay to see our stats lmao

[rigid fiber]

In what way do verification checks relate to the world of tanks API?

Let me know please

[arctic fern]

Paying for stats would be like paying to breathe lmao it doesn't make sense

Not true also for stuff like that shouldn't be making money for you to be verified like get real

[rigid fiber]

They did because it meant anyone could get a verification that most people viewed as a proof of trust

[arctic fern]

Yeah that's true

[rigid fiber]

Maybe discord should charge for people posting awful suggestions. Can't have free things

[arctic fern]

Maybe the world should charge you to live since we can't have free stuff

[rigid fiber]

I mean they do already but I'm just gunna leave it there.

[arctic fern]

You know what I mean

Like I'll be honest I don't really care about my stats so if they made us pay for it, it wouldn't bother me any but like being charged for a couple numbers would make zero sense

[rigid fiber]

Agreed. I would not pay for it

[arctic fern]

Even if I was a mega sweat and really cared about my stats I wouldn't pay for it

I would just change how I am and not care about them anymore

[rigid fiber]

Nice ad hominem bro. I supplied reasons why it's a bad suggestion ranging from nobody would buy it to how the stats are freely offered by just about everyone in the game industry including 3rd party sites

[arctic fern]

Charging money for stats is the (I'll be blunt) worst idea I've heard in awhile, simply because no other game company charges you to see a few numbers on a screen

Plus as @rigid fiber said even if some of the places charged you for it there will still be some that do it for free anyway

[rigid fiber]

Also please take notice I called the suggestion awful. It has nothing to do with you as a person

[rigid fiber]

Agreed. I am trying to be polite about it but yes it's the worst I've seen as well.

[arctic fern]

I'm trying too but I'll say it as I see it and that's not against you @rigid fjord

I'm not saying you said anything nor is @rigid fiber , we are just clarifying that before it gets taken the wrong way

Yeah but be real with yourself would you pay to see your stats

[echo laurel]

So you won’t be paying for your stats

[arctic fern]

So your suggesting something you wouldn't even want/do yourself

Ok sure but if they started charging people for that nobody would buy it and the sites would never get used

No gaming company sells their stats lol

[strange wolf]

I wonder who is this stupid…

[arctic fern]

Sites like Facebook, Twitter and reddit to use your examples aren't gaming companies so those don't count

Plus my "assumption" is fact

[fast cairn]

If im gonna need to pay to see my stats i might just calculate them myself

[arctic fern]

My statement is 100% factual with the games I play yes plus other games I've heard of which is alot of them

[echo laurel]

Hey @limber abyss are you gonna pay to see your stats

[arctic fern]

Lmao they'd probably be more accurate

Lmao you don't know how many different games I play haha

Or have played

[rigid fiber]

As I asked earlier would you be so kind to provide an example of a game company implementing a per user charge for their API?

Also how is asking for a game company comparison moving the goal post? I don't see how comparing a game to social media is more relevant than comparing a game to other games.

If anything it should be very much within the goal post that you set

[arctic fern]

You haven't given us a single game company that charges for stats therfore what you have said is wrong

Plus on top of that wargaming would make way more money selling more premiums compared to stats

[echo laurel]

Guys come on, bring all your friends to the discussion

[arctic fern]

I have been haha

[echo laurel]

@prisma basalt would you pay to see your stats?

[gentle fiber]

I have gotten too invested into reading this one 😂

[rigid fiber]

Me too lol

[arctic fern]

You moved the goal post when you brought up social media platforms that charge for it

[strange wolf]

@rigid fjord Are you alright?

[arctic fern]

I was winning before I started telling my friends about it

I invited them to see how bad of an idea this is

[gentle fiber]

So, how are you doing? Hope its all good.

[echo laurel]

He don’t like this one lol

[arctic fern]

Lmao 🤣 both me and @rigid fiber were winning before this blew up haha plus you never once gave a game company that sells their stats

Plus this is an idea you personally wouldn't use so why would you even suggest it

And on top of all that why would wargaming do that when it wouldn't make any sense once so ever when they make alot of money of of premiums

[rigid fiber]

So are you going to answer my question or keep making an ad hominem fallacy against everyone here?

Here it is I'm waiting:
As I asked earlier would you be so kind to provide an example of a game company implementing a per user charge for their API?

Also how is asking for a game company comparison moving the goal post? I don't see how comparing a game to social media is more relevant than comparing a game to other games.

[arctic fern]

I think he's confusing them haha

[queen locust]

Before I say anything can someone inform me on what a api is

[arctic fern]

Stats and what not

[queen locust]

I don’t even need to explain the sheer stupidity of that

[rigid fiber]

I tried, I don't think OP is satisfied with my argument

[queen locust]

lol

You win some you lose some i guess

[arctic fern]

We all tried lol but he can't back up his logic

[gentle fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/door-hide-close-bye-cat-gif-22820275

[rigid fiber]

Give OP some time. It will probably take a while for them to try and substantiate their idea with any sort of examples. Let's wait a while. Ofc I sure hope that the examples they find aren't also full of negative community feedback

[arctic fern]

Tbh I hope he finds something that is actually happening and not something that used to exist and not use more social media platforms haha

[tacit laurel]

What they could do is limit the data release to only premium accounts and make it optional at that. Gives another reason for people to pick up a premium account and those that are not interested in that stuff could choose not to participate.

[rigid fjord]

That's a good idea actually 👍

[arctic fern]

Why force any stats behind any pay wall that's not fair to those who may want to see those stats you have now locked away and don't want to spend money or gold for them

You wouldn't like it if we locked away half of the tech trees behind a pay wall would you

[tacit laurel]

You can and should be able to see your own stats. In regards to seeing other people’s data and making it more available for others to see it’s not unusual for companies to charge to see other people’s data. There should be more options for players to opt out as well. Just my opinion based on my values.

[echo laurel]

Nobody can produce one example of a game company doing this ‼️

[arctic fern]

Ok sure but that's not what he was saying

[tacit laurel]

How many game companies are releasing their api’s to third part sites rather than doing their own?

[arctic fern]

Alot probably

[rigid fjord]

Exactly correct & my point. You said it all 100% better than me. I wish I was that good with the written word.

[tacit laurel]

He can have his opinion and idea and I can offer alternatives. It’s ok for people to discuss various ideas and the pros and cons.

[echo laurel]

How is this relevant ‼️

[rigid fiber]

Whats not OK is that OP has used ad hominem arguments throughout the thread.

[arctic fern]

Even at that nobody would pay for that meaning waste of time and resources to put stats behind something you need to pay for

When there's much better things they can do then that

[echo laurel]

Over 2 hours in and no examples ‼️

[prisma basalt]

Ole boy just came up with the dumbest idea ever

[rigid fiber]

@prisma basalt 🫵

[tacit laurel]

Is there anyone else that does? I’m just curious because it was a strange thing I found in WOT. Use to games providing tons of stats in game.

[tacit laurel]

There’s always a cost no? People who pay for premium accounts are probably the most likely to use those websites no? And for the most part it would just be an added listed bonus then. Perhaps it would also encourage WG to improve their in game stat page.

[arctic fern]

Does what

[sharp karma]

I like looking at my and other's stats. If it cost money I wouldn't look, pretty simple. 🤷

[tacit laurel]

Any other game release api for third party websites. I don’t know of any but I don’t play all games of course.

[tacit laurel]

Do you have a premium account?

You should be able to see your stats better in game no?

[sharp karma]

I have a premium account. I agree the in game way is terrible, that's why there is already free and better options

[arctic fern]

Exactly what we've been saying it's something we wouldn't pay for

[sharp karma]

If they worked with the 3rd party options and actually made something good, cool. But I'm not paying for something that I could very easily do without

[arctic fern]

I'm sure there's many

[sharp karma]

Reddit did and it triggered massive backlash

[arctic fern]

I honestly wouldn't pay for something that's free In many other games

[sharp karma]

And that isn't even a game

[arctic fern]

Exactly

[sharp karma]

Exactly

The more paywalls, the less people will play

There's plenty of games to choose from and people tend to not play extremely monetized ones

This game is already pushing that limit

[arctic fern]

An example would be would we continue to play wot if they locked tech tree lines behind a pay wall, the answer is no

[sharp karma]

At that point they should just make this "free to play" game one you buy. It would finally kill it off

[arctic fern]

Pretty much

Charge 100$ for it like any other paid game and put everything in it

I know I wouldn't pay for it with the game in its current state, I would move on to something else

[echo laurel]

Op blocked me and I haven’t even said anything ‼️

[strange wolf]

OP blocked me too and I haven’t said anything either!!

[arctic fern]

He blocked me too lol

Imagine blocking people who say this idea is terrible

[strange wolf]

Someone’s being childish…I won’t say who

[arctic fern]

Lol

[tacit laurel]

I can’t really blame him for blocking you lot considering some of the things you have said in the past.

[strange wolf]

You blocked me too

Great job

[arctic fern]

Things we've said in other servers have nothing to do with here

[tacit laurel]

I block people to mark them for saying dumb things. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[strange wolf]

And that is offensive

[arctic fern]

So I guess we should block you for all your dumb stuff you say then

[tacit laurel]

Eh everyone says dumb things sometimes. It’s more like an early detection system.

[strange wolf]

Someone can’t accept different opinions…

[tacit laurel]

You are more than welcome to. It’s a handy feature.

[arctic fern]

So because someone says one dumb thing you block them, pretty sad world you live in

[strange wolf]

And how do you define “dumb”?

Does dumb mean that someone has a different opinion than you

[tacit laurel]

Not really based on opinions —it’s more along the lines of deeply flawed logic, incorrect statement about game function, etc.

For instance, I don’t have Tali blocked and I disagree with him quite a bit but he tends to have some semblance of reason and knowledge of how the game functions.

[arctic fern]

So just about everything you speak about then gotcha

[arctic fern]

Lmao so do we you just don't agree with it because you don't know what your talking about

[rigid fiber]

Yall got blocked? Did my question get answered?

[tacit laurel]

And this is why you are blocked 😂

[arctic fern]

Nope

[rigid fiber]

🙁

[tacit laurel]

Well the answer is no one else releases their api because they actually have in game stats.

[arctic fern]

You block people because they completely disagree with you or say an idea such as this one is dumb

[rigid fiber]

Well there are plenty of games that do it to allow you to interact with in game vendors or leader boards for example. I know warframe, destiny 2, and Call of Duty do it

[tacit laurel]

Why do you care if you get blocked? If anything you should be happy that most times I’ll just ignore you right?

[arctic fern]

Lmfao that's the funniest thing I've heard yet

The second I say something you don't like you'll open your mouth

[rigid fiber]

And this has gone totally off topic. Nice

Real mature yall

[tacit laurel]

I haven’t played COD in a long time—when did they start that? Is it used a lot?

[arctic fern]

Yep because of what we said earlier

[strange wolf]

Maybe I should unblock you so I can see your immature opinions better

[rigid fiber]

Not much. It gives you access to your friends stats and also to hot maps. Hot maps are really useful. I think they started it with Black Ops 4

[tacit laurel]

Hot maps would be useful. Another thing that would be nice in WoT. I suppose putting hot maps behind a pay wall would be very lucrative and pretty pay to win. 😱

[arctic fern]

Now where's your proof hmm @rigid fiber gave you his proof

Answer his question

[rigid fiber]

It would be a shame if they did that tbh. I think new players would really benefit from it

[rigid fiber]

Huh?

[strange wolf]

Gone completely off topic

I wonder why

[rigid fiber]

I mean hot maps are clearly useful, nobody needs to explain that

[arctic fern]

They wanted to know what other games give out their apis to 3rd party sites but they haven't given there's yet

[arctic fern]

Hmm maybe because some hate our thoughts because they think they are always right and that's it

[rigid fiber]

Didn't GP just say most games don't? That's an accurate statement nothing to prove there, I just shared a few examples that do to show that it's not unheard of

[strange wolf]

Yeah that must be it

[arctic fern]

Yea but they also earlier asked what games do it so you answered their question but they haven't answered yours yet

[tacit laurel]

I asked out of curiosity only not out of some sort of proof. Again this is why some of you guys get blocked. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[rigid fiber]

I didn't ask GP a question

[arctic fern]

I'm not saying him but since he's in so much agreement with the OP then clearly he knows something we dont

[rigid fiber]

🤦‍♂️

[strange wolf]

Because our opinion is “dumb” when in reality you can’t accept different opinions

[arctic fern]

Oh wait my bad my statement might be dumb I might get blocked

[rigid fiber]

Be reasonable please.

[arctic fern]

I am, all of us in here but the OP and gp agree this idea is the worst idea they could do

They are the ones not being reasonable

[rigid fiber]

GP suggested a modified version of the OP's original post in which WG would offer enhanced API features to premium account users.

[arctic fern]

Which isn't fair to those who may not spend money

Why lock anything in terms of stats behind any pay wall

And yes I know you can get premium time for free but some may not have 1000 days of premium

Some may only have 3 days which in the long run means nothing

[rigid fiber]

I dont think they should be locked behind a pay wall but if WG were to actually go and add let's say hot maps or other currently nonexistent to the API as a benefit to premium users it wouldn't be the craziest thing. I don't agree with it but it's nowhere near as wild as OP's original post

[arctic fern]

Stats should be free to everyone no matter what, no other game locks stats behind a pay wall

[rigid fiber]

I agree

[arctic fern]

Premium users have the insane benefits already why give them more even if it's not that crazy

[rigid fiber]

Hot maps are a pretty in depth form of statistic. Most of it can be extrapolated from common sense but it can be used to help you improve

Hot maps really just show you what positions you tend to take and what happens there

[arctic fern]

Sure but what about the players who may not have a ton of premium time or new players who don't get much

[rigid fiber]

Correct, I agree it shouldn't be behind a pay wall

[arctic fern]

So then why do we keep saying they could add stuff behind a pay wall

[tacit laurel]

I don’t think anyone was wanting hot maps behind a pay wall.

[arctic fern]

If you put them behind premium time would that not be putting it behind a pay wall

[rigid fiber]

Yes but nobody is saying to do it. I've said multiple times they could but I don't like the idea

[tacit laurel]

I don’t see an issue with putting some random persons data behind a paywall. Why does anyone else need to see it?

[arctic fern]

Why does it matter if anyone else sees it

[tacit laurel]

I asked first

[arctic fern]

Who cares about stats anyway its just a game and if your taking it that serious then get a life

[rigid fiber]

Now when it comes to searching other players data, that i could see potentially getting a pay wall but as it's already been a free feature for a while now I don't think it would be fair to do so

[arctic fern]

That's what I've said numerous times that it wouldn't be fair but I'm the bad guy

But since you said it you'll be fine

[rigid fiber]

I ain't calling you the bad guy. Never did. I asked you to be reasonable and not to expect GP to have to defend the OP's stance as the suggestions were entirely different

[arctic fern]

His suggestion wasn't far off the OP's stance, at the end it was putting stuff behind a pay wall

[strange wolf]

It’s just a game.

[tacit laurel]

I think we can all agree in game stats could be better? How about that?

[rigid fiber]

If we are being very reductive yes

[arctic fern]

Lmao you won't ever agree with what me or anyone else says

[strange wolf]

Like why does stats matter to you or anyone? WN8 is just a number and MoE is just something that randomly appears on your barrel once you play enough games

[arctic fern]

I've been reasonable this entire time but nobody sees that

[tacit laurel]

I just gave you something I thought we could easily agree on. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[rigid fiber]

Absolutely. And if it came to incentivizing WG to Enhance the API by giving it to premium users I would not cry foul so long as the stats be made available to f2p players post development

[arctic fern]

And even if I said I agree you'd say it's dumb since of what I've said in the past

[tacit laurel]

Ok we don’t agree then. I can live with that. 😆

[strange wolf]

Players’ stats should be visible to everyone. People are just afraid of being stat shamed but that is another thing

[rigid fiber]

There are 2 possible solutions to stat shaming. Pay wall other players stats (I don't like) or to allow player to hide their stats (I do like)

[arctic fern]

Lmfao 😂 I never said I don't agree but you said it yourself that I get blocked now because of previous Statements in other threads so why would I agree or disagree with you @tacit laurel

[rigid fiber]

A hide stats option would be phenomenal on wotstars tho. I'm sure a lot of people in here would like the privacy

But that's 3rd party and besides the point

[strange wolf]

Stat shaming is wrong no doubt, but I’m not afraid to do that if I need to.

[arctic fern]

Tbh even then there would be work arounds to find someone's stats

[rigid fiber]

There is no situation where stat shaming is necessary

[strange wolf]

I got called an “a**hole” yesterday

By someone who has 1,400 WN8

[rigid fiber]

And?

[strange wolf]

He tried to call me bad but he has a lower WN8 than me

[arctic fern]

So you think that's ok

[rigid fiber]

No

[arctic fern]

Imo if a worse player is telling you your bad then you can do whatever you want within reason

[rigid fiber]

No need to stat shame them. You can tell them what you were planning and hopefully it makes them a better player

[strange wolf]

Hate messaging others and insulting their whole family just because they didn’t play the game in a way you like deserves stat shaming

That happened to me

[rigid fiber]

No it deserves blocking

[arctic fern]

Or your entire clan/clans

[strange wolf]

I don’t want to put that screenshot here but it’s absolutely disgusting

You can’t imagine that those stuff can be said by a human

[rigid fiber]

If it's that bad you call em out saying it was rude and then report/block. Firing back doesn't make what they say any less heinous

[strange wolf]

They won’t stop

[rigid fiber]

That's why you report/block. If they continue they get banned for harassment

[arctic fern]

Tbh it kinda does though since Stat shaming isn't as bad as threats or other stuff like that

[arctic fern]

Not on ps/xbox lol

Also they can make new accounts

[rigid fiber]

Those are rare. I've only had 1 person do that to me in like 7 years

[arctic fern]

It can still happen though

[rigid fiber]

Yeah those are really bad. But usually reporting and blocking works just fine

[arctic fern]

If someone is willing to go as far as threats then they would be willing to make a new account to keep going

Or go through someone else

[rigid fiber]

Such a what if tho. That's an extreme case and you know it. Reporting and blocking solves most harassment issues

[arctic fern]

Not true I've had people go through me to get at @strange wolf

[rigid fiber]

And what do you mean by go through you? As in ask you to say stuff?

Because you can block them too

[arctic fern]

I mean yeah but if their gonna go through someone else to do it I'm gonna Stat shame them because Stat shaming isn't as bad as threats

[rigid fiber]

Just perpetuates the cycle. Blocking and reporting them stops it entirely

And if they are found to be harassing they could be banned and it prevents them from doing it to anyone else

[arctic fern]

Either way this isn't what the thread is about so I'm stopping here

In terms of this thread there is nothing about it or really any idea (other then the ability to hide stats for free ) that makes any sense and is terrible

[rigid fiber]

And that the API could use an upgrade. Especially on WG's end. It's ridiculous that 3rd party sites do a better job

[arctic fern]

Yeah

But right now there's way more important things for them to worry about then stats

[rigid fiber]

Fr, like Balance Patch When?

[arctic fern]

😂

[knotty saddle]

No, they just need to fix the BS that needed to fix years ago to bring back AND keep more people.

[arctic fern]

You better watch it you might get blocked by the OP since your disagreeing with him

He blocked at least 3 of us because we disagreed with him and said this idea was terrible

[lilac spoke]

If they start to charge for the API, nearly noone would use it anymore. WG however wants users to use it a lot.

Even tho it costs some Server capacity and fuels some toxic behaviour in the community. The stats are a driving force for a lot of players, similar to gunmarks ingame, motivating them to play more

[limber abyss]

Do I get a discount if there are no stats to show?

[strange wolf]

The OP who blocked all of us deleted all his messages and left lol

[fast cairn]

Lmao🤣🤣🤣