Buff the 120mm gun on the AMX M4 54

[thick quartz]

Buff the 120mm gun on the AMX M4 54

[crimson thorn]

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[grand robin]

Technically hes right, why AMX 50b got 325 pen, while this thing has 315?

[dusky kelp]

I go through the E4 with a 20pdr 50% of time. Left and right of the egg, right in the axel. 315pen not enough lol, learn to shoot

[crimson thorn]

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[grand robin]

I mean, if thats so, why its normal shell pen is lower then the AMX M4 54?

If its pen is supposed to be higher, then this should apply to everything else

[fallen fog]

Buff the kranvagn too. It's pen is dogshit

[thick quartz]

Bro shut up go try to pen a e100 turret on flat ground with 315mm with rng

[thick quartz]

the amx m4 54 can't afford a miss/bounce for it's poor dpm too. all the other single shot 120mm gun have higher pen how the hell can 315mm can pen every well armor tanks? while rng exist?

[thick quartz]

i agree The Valor have 322mm and the Conquer have 326mm those tanks can actually can pen the e100 and e3 why does this AMX tank have 315mm in 2023?

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[thick quartz]

cs63 a medium tank and the vz55 is op and the is7 is really good

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[thick quartz]

wrong

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[thick quartz]

tell me how can you pen a e100 turret with 315?

only buff it's dpm is not going to make people play it over a e5 or the mk6

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[thick quartz]

oh a gun with worse pen you just admit the 120mm gun is pointless

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[placid osprey]

There's a bunch of other tier 10s with worse pen that do fine

[thick quartz]

have you play this game before have you heard about rng and normalization

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[thick quartz]

25%+ 25%- rng effect all guns stats and pen

[thick quartz]

most of them are played more than the amx m4 54 i would not compare german super heavys to a heavy tank

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[thick quartz]

no it's lighter than a e100 worse hp

[thick quartz]

315 apcr is more worse than 310 ap buffing it's pen would make it have a chance to pen hulldown tanks 315 apcr lose more pen over distance.

[sonic mica]

The two tanks that need a penetration buff are tier 7 Jammer (premium shell) and tier 9 T55A (standard shell).
315mm of penetration with apcr is fine, more less the same as Is7 or Vz55.

[thick quartz]

315 is not fine compare to the m103 and the mk6 can you please stay on topic

[sonic mica]

Andrè the Giant penetration is lower

[thick quartz]

thats a premium

[sonic mica]

What’s the difference?

[thick quartz]

it's not meant to be better than a tt tank

[sonic mica]

Well that’s your point of view, anyway Udes is tech tree and its gold penetration is 310. Note that fires heat that is worse than apcr.

[thick quartz]

Stay 👏 on 👏 topic

Can people stop comparing it to light tanks and mediums

like i know some tanks have bad pen that do not mean they don't need a buff

[sonic mica]

120mm caliber AMX, 120mm caliber Udes

[thick quartz]

is it a heavy? no i don't thing so i know it's pen sucks

[sonic mica]

It’s still equal to Vz55 and Is7

[thick quartz]

yes i agree but both of those tanks like the VZ55 IS7 are op they don't need a buff

[dusky kelp]

gun handling it rather have over pen on kran. 300 heat is a bit meh, but it would get denied less if it shot straight

[dusky kelp]

well 300 does, im not sure why 315 doesnt.

[thick quartz]

apcr are not good at penning well angle armor same goes to heat

[dusky kelp]

Well i know that but i really only play a manticore with AP as prem round. Thats never going through front of turret on e100 cause its automaticaly looking up, with 278pen. But 300 should go if its flat.

[thick quartz]

not all the time. 310mm can pen turret easily not 300

[thick quartz]

You admitted the 120mm gun is meh and the 130 better option.

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[thick quartz]

It’s is a French super heavy. The IS-7 out competes the M4 due to dpm with having even less pen.

Each super heavy is going to have their own characteristics

Some will be stronger on other aspects than the others

m4 has a much easier time penning capolas due to its height. It doesn’t need a pen buff. IS-7 has armor and brawls well with 303 pen. The E-100 gets penned in the turret by the IS-7. Don’t shoot the turret face. Shoot the flat spot on the bottom of the turret face to pen, unless you have shots on the lower plate or somewhere obvious. E-100 gets trolled by everything due to its flat armor. The M4 actually has a small advantage because it gets to look down on the angled back turret face armor.

[thick quartz]

is-7 have better armor than the m4 and just because the tank is tall does not mean it's can hit weakspots all the time it's needs premium rounds to pen some tanks

the m4 have more weak spots than a Super conqueror. that tank is way better than the m4

and comparing a is7 to a French tank is really unfair

Yes but are you supposed to play the M4 like a SC and try to force people to bounce shots. The super gets penned by a lot of things on the bottom of the gun mantlet

[thick quartz]

the m4 gets pen bottom gun mantle too. M4 pen is to weak to even pen tanks like the e3 that hides the lower plate.

So the Andre doesn’t matter then? It has the spaced armor on the mantlet. Also the M4 has the 130mm mantlet and behind that is 300mm of armor. It doesn’t get penned unless you are face hugging it, in while the height is both an advantage and disadvantage because capolas

[thick quartz]

Bro is troll the andre is different playstyle you have a skill issue if you can't pen the 300mm part 300mm away

No was just reading the thread

You said that the prem isn’t supposed to be more powerful than the TT tank

The Andre is generally better than the TT M4

Better armor

[thick quartz]

OMG it's trades gun handling dpm speed for armor my heads hurts reading this

But it still pens shots with 300 pen

On prem

[thick quartz]

That's nothing special compare to other tanks with high pen

Like the 15mm more that the M4 120 gets?

What’s your definition of high pen

?

330 apcr or 324

So the Obj 263 apcr prem is high pen

And the British heavy tanks and badger prem is around 330

[thick quartz]

330 apcr can the e4 e100 e3 100% so

This isn’t aimed to be rude or insulting, but maybe you haven’t found out the best positions or spots to shoot enemies weakness. The M4 has the advantage of have a near flat target to shoot when it comes to the E4. Just shoot the Capola. Don’t shoot the boat shaped lower plates if your close.

Those become an auto ricochet some of the time

[thick quartz]

i would shot the cuploa if it's not 50/50 with 315mm

The capola on the E4 is 203mm. This is the nature of the tank you are choosing to play. Some tanks are just hard to play. Some are hard tanks that require some skill/critical thinking to play. Example being the Bar. Some tanks are just bad but have a very fun gimmick, like the T22 med. near the same 100MM gun, but has the worse DPM of all Russian meds.

[tall lance]

git gud lol. How are you underperforming with 315 pen

[thick quartz]

You can pen the turret cheeks of your close enough. And again the angle of the cheecks helps you because your tall and flattens the angle of the armor

[thick quartz]

have you shoot the e100 or e3 before or you are new to the game have you hear about angling or rng? have you fight smart players?

Reducing the effective armor

Bro is trying to pen e3 capola

[thick quartz]

the gun mallet is a weakspot

[tall lance]

Bro, under plate on the E100 is straight up the easiest thing to pen on a heavy. Plus, even the OBJ 257's gun overmatches it. Plus, why are you engaging an E3 head on

[thick quartz]

It is pennable at 275 but it is just better to track it and go around

[thick quartz]

why would a e100 player let you shoot the lower

[tall lance]

Because super heavy tank players suck

[thick quartz]

not all

you are fighting coop players

[thick quartz]

Also E3 mantlet is pennable, but you have an additional 229 MM of armor to go through afterwards

[tall lance]

Bro there's no way ur assuming I'm a "new player" or "bad"

[thick quartz]

winrate don't matter i care about your marks of every tanks or your damage ratio

What’s your gamer tag then let’s put this to the test

[tall lance]

Okay? 21 Ace tanker medals. almost 3k WN8 (that's not Win rate btw). Like dude

Mostly played in Mediums and Heavies. I ain't no arty main

[thick quartz]

315 is not very good compare to the valor 322 which can pen most tanks why is this hard to understand?

[tall lance]

Bro it's a 7 mm difference 😭

[thick quartz]

still helpfull in close battle

[tall lance]

Okay, the Maus has 311 pen. Guess it must be buffed too

IS-7 has 303 pen with a 130. Suppose it should be buffed also

[thick quartz]

It is helpful to hit the shots that actually are aimed at a pennable spot and not trying to brute force through with the so called high pen of 330

[thick quartz]

no the is7 is too good

[tall lance]

VZ. 55 has 306 pen. Suppose it should get buffed

[tall lance]

Bro

[thick quartz]

The IS-7 makes do with its 303 just fine. Forget about the armor

[thick quartz]

you talk about op tanks im just going to ignore you

[tall lance]

Are you saying the IS-7 is OP????

[thick quartz]

the vz is

[tall lance]

ok fair enough

[thick quartz]

This 2023 everyone gold spam because aimming is a myth

[tall lance]

Plus, the MLE 54 has good armor, you just have to utilize it. Gold ammo or otherwise

[thick quartz]

Good armor that is penable with gold lol

[tall lance]

Learn how to side scrape

Straight up. Solution to all your problems

Also, I don't see how buffing the pen by 10 whole mm would do anything

It can slightly overmatch things that are 1 - 2 mm thicker

Maybe ask for it's armor to be buffed if you're gonna complain about it's armor

[thick quartz]

even it's got a armor buff nobody is going to play it over the e5 or Conqueror those tanks have good armor and pen

[tall lance]

Probably because they're better tanks in general

Britain and America have better heavy tanks than France. Why? Look at the other classes. France priorities Speed and autoloaders over armor. Like check out the Bat Chat 25T. Probably one of the best mediums. Not for it's armor. But for it's good gun and Great speed

That's where France is the best at.

That's why French heavies are more like mediums. They sacrifice armor for firepower. Which is why the AMX 50 B is better. It's an autoloader, which is fantastic. But the MLE is left in the dust because it doesn't have an autoloader

[thick quartz]

"Learn how to side scrape" lets just ignore the engine deck and sides plates

[tall lance]

👍

[tall lance]

But seriously. If you're gonna complain about a tank so much. Perhaps you should grind a different line

[tall lance]

Bro just made that meme

[thick quartz]

If you like to cope that 315 is really good im not going to stop you

[tall lance]

Better than 303. Which doesn't have trouble lol

[thick quartz]

Or just learn which fights to take and how to utilize what you have ground for the last 3 tanks in the line

why do people defend this tank so much like whats so good about it?

I think it is an experience/creativity issue. I do just fine in the bar and just got it last last week

Also organized in marks for relevance

[tall lance]

I'm not defending it. It's one of the worst tier 10 heavies in the game. I just dont think the pen is the thing you should be complaining about

[thick quartz]

what's so op about giving it mk6 premium pen?

Because it isn’t an MBT

[tall lance]

Broski, you're not getting the point. Even if you buff it's pen. It's still gonna suck

[thick quartz]

so?

[thick quartz]

it's still going to counter hulldown tanks

[tall lance]

Bro, a Jag with 420 pen can't counter hull down tanks

[thick quartz]

Ok so now you have accepted that the height is an advantage to reducing effective armor for enemy tanks

Maybe

Wait no your saying to buff the pen to counter it

lol my bad

[thick quartz]

Even with 420 you still can't pen the mk6 gun mallet and turret ring funny

Ha no

[tall lance]

Really? Ya think so?

[thick quartz]

You can pen the IS-7 turret face with 330 heat just to the left of the gun mantlet if your looking at the IS-7. (Given it is flat ground) if your hull down on a ridge then sure it has much more effective armor

Flat ground and hull down and ridgeline hull down are two different things

[tall lance]

Perhaps the cupolas. But what about the IS-7? it doesn't have cupolas

[thick quartz]

Hold up lemme find it

[thick quartz]

have you try to aim at the cheeks and not snapshot in a td

[tall lance]

Okay, then what about with 325?

You think that's doing anything?

[thick quartz]

it's have good height if you like having a high chance to get pen by other tanks and hit by arty

[thick quartz]

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/dirty1-dirty2/video/184059106 I recorded isn’t the pens but a couple of ghost shells, but hounds did show me the spots in the bottom left and right of the mantlet which is 270 mm of armor. And you can pen it thus the damage on his tank

[thick quartz]

I know. the hull armor and turret ring are little bit better than the conquer it's armor is fine but it would be nice if the pen get a buff to keep up with the meta you got to know that apcr have less normalizion than ap and they still didn't bring back the rolled dice event

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[thick quartz]

I must have wigged everyone I have tried then. Off to the customs then

Wiffed *

[grand robin]

What the hell happened here?