NEW MAP (Nebelburg) Feedback

[warm blade]

Please use this thread to discuss your opinions, likes/dislikes and experiences on the Newly added map added as of today (30/06/2023).

Please keep comments constructive and respectful towards other users.

Thanks all, and Roll out!

[proud sleet]

I welcome any new/old map. It’s ok

[cobalt steppe]

Cold war only? Nope...finally got it.

Be careful, some self-proclaimed "super uni's" start crying and bleeding out if you want more maps.

[proud sleet]

Super uni’s lol when they say that I switch off. Done it myself, easy to do with correct tank. This new map is WWII as that’s the one I play. It’s ok, but small but it’s different

[cobalt steppe]

Seems fine. Of course I finally got it in the slowest tank possible and just chased the battle around clockwise the whole time.

[proud sleet]

It’s ok, nowt special but any new map is better than none imo

[lavish timber]

another bad map???

[lavish timber]

@dusk crystal I wouldn't take this

[cobalt steppe]

Dang, bro...you always just stirring.

[lavish timber]

he knows it's a joke

right?

[cobalt steppe]

It's all jokes. Jokes all the way down.

[lavish timber]

also my lord this map is smol

[dusk crystal]

Thankfully I’m not a self proclaimed one 🙏

[lyric blaze]

Map is too small. Was almost immediately spotted and torn apart before I could find cover. Not exactly a great first impression, tbh. Was in Type 5 heavy.

[chilly raven]

I miss the old system where u can actually play new map on day of the release, i did my dailies and didnt see this map

[vivid lodge]

Good map but not to small before update 6.0 big map was 1200x1200 so Elenberg small is 1200x1200 and normal Elengberg 1400x1400 lol 😅🤣

[mint jungle]

It's ok. It's fine seeing a new map

[stray jungle]

There are bad maps that should never return. There is no world where having 20 good maps and 20 bad maps is better than having just the 20 good maps, honestly.

[cobalt steppe]

I would love a world with 20 good maps. I think there are about 5. If they are mostly bad anyway, might as well go for variety.

[oak monolith]

Only played it once so far (in WW2 in a Hellcat). Seems lots of opportunities for sniping with the back ridge areas and the central castle area overlooking large portions of the map. Need to play it in some other classes to form a better view, but nice to see something different.

[vapid phoenix]

Good map, first impression was good, Strv S1, 5k, 6 kills bit confusive and the vision range is too short from my own experience on the map

[alpine cove]

This map is way better than Nomonhon or Thiepval ridge or Dukla pass so I’ll take it

[analog veldt]

It seems decent, I wouldn’t mind seeing the large version.

[tulip sparrow]

Can you give some examples

[alpine cove]

Nomonhon, Thiepval Ridge, Dukla Pass, Fisherman’s Bay, Pilsen

[warm blade]

Icebound

[tulip sparrow]

aww man what's wrong with thiepval ridge and fisherman's bay

[alpine cove]

Everything

[cobalt steppe]

Good maps: Prok, Mali, Redridge, Karelia and Himmel.

[tulip sparrow]

Vineyards?

[stray jungle]

Currently in the game: Raseinai, Dragon Ridge, Nomonhon, Hidden Village, Thiepval Ridge, Great Wall, Overlord, Sunset Coast

Old maps: Ardennes, Icebound, Caen, Liberty Falls, Northwest, Pacific Island

[tulip sparrow]

So those are the maps that you don't want to be returning/in the game?

[stray jungle]

Yeah. Each one has significant, if not irreparable, map design or flow problems

[cobalt steppe]

Vinyard is ok at best imo. Middle of the map is basically unusable.

@stray jungle I think Caen and Northwest were a little better than the others you mentioned. At least playable. Be nice to get South Shore (I think that was the name) back from the old maps, too.

[tulip sparrow]

South coast was my favorite map, I hope it comes back sooner than later

[stray jungle]

South Coast is alright. It relies a lot on middle climbs which I am sure WG will destroy with rocks.

[cursive narwhal]

Only played it twice so far, so not seen too much of it. But I like it. Seems like a decent, if slightly hectic, map.

[tulip sparrow]

I really hope they don't, none of them had a huge advantage. It's mostly just spots for TDs and arty

[chilly raven]

Is this map even out? I didnt see it yet

[vivid wren]

For me map is not bad but I rather see it on 30vs30 than on 15v15

[bold coyote]

At least you guys got to see the new map

2+ days later still haven't seen it/ played a battle on it

[zinc haven]

LOVE the map.
Now bring back the rest of them.

[shrewd rapids]

@stray jungle is there a reason that Summer or OG Mali hasn't returned ? Not that it is my fav map or anything, but I'm tired of the No shubbery winter version, we've had for years.

[warm sorrel]

I did take a look at the frequency rates for Nedelberg in WW2 PVP. It's currently being handed out at 4x the rate of any other map in the Tier 5-11 range.

It is not available in WW2 PVP Tier 3-4 and is in a rotation system for all of the CW PVP Eras.

[alpine cove]

Well I’m positive it’s not being handed out to me at 4x the rate of any other map. Absolutely not in Cold War either

[cold vale]

Nerf taran and AVRE

[brazen rune]

@acoustic sluice

[warm blade]

It’s been a common complaint that some haven’t even seen it yet whilst playing

[warm sorrel]

Cold War - it's on an equal basis with the other maps - there's no special additional chances for it to show up.

WW2 - As mentioned earlier, we have increased the weight of the map in the selection algorithm so that if it's elegible to be picked, it's highly likely to be picked. However, that step occurs after we remove the most recent map of all the players in the match from contention. So, if you get into a WW2 match that isn't Nedelberg, odds are is that it's because someone in the match has just played it.

For what it's worth, when we tested the map selection settings in a simulator, the result of getting Nedelberg was roughly 1 in 10. That isn't a guarantee that an individual player will actually get it at that rate - individual experiences will vary. The actual results we are seeing from production indicate that the simulation results are pretty accurate.

[bold coyote]

I played tier 5, 8 and 10 and didn't see the new map

I'm playing high tier tonight and will let you know if the new map appears

[bold coyote]

2 battles tonight no new map

I just got nebelburg - small

I like it, it's a nice map

[bold coyote]

Got the new map twice now

[vapid phoenix]

Got it every day at least two times. Nice combination of different areas, attractive for all play styles.

[mint jungle]

I keep getting this map. Constantly

[cobalt steppe]

On xbox series x. New map is stuttering. This isn't happening on any other map for me

[cyan finch]

I really like it

[dry obsidian]

I almost like it, the town needs to be cut off tho, you have a good brawl zone, you have a snipey flank. Maps really dont need places for stupids to hide anywhere they can away from the battle. Beach on overlord, town on hielbron.

[vapid phoenix]

It’s Heilbronn, not hielbron. Town is Ok, good addition. (Battle is also fought on the beach and in the town on the other maps, they are not hiding places, if there is no opponent, you also can move into the back of the opponent tanks)

[stray jungle]

Town is the best flank on Nebelburg

[cobalt steppe]

In my experience, the team on Overlord with more tanks on the beach usually loses. I am starting to like Nebelberg more and more as I get used to it.

[dry obsidian]

its letting your team die while you kill a couple of spuds that went there also. Its not "the" battle its avoiding the battle so you can make up big numbers

[stray jungle]

What? lol the field is wide open and the middle gets hit from everywhere. How is it my fault my team goes to the bad sides of the map and die? 😂

[alpine cove]

Well today the matchmaker keeps giving me overlord

I’ve gotten overlord 4 times in 1 hour

In tier 9

This map rotation doesn’t work

[oak monolith]

Agree if you are in a heavy, medium or armoured TD, but lights and stealthy TD’s can have a good game holding the field and castle area. As this map is still new, players are yet to learn that they will get farmed in the castle and field areas

[tribal fern]

Is anyone else experiencing lag when spawned on b9 and you get to the corner b1, b2 hill area

[cobalt steppe]

Yes. I complained about that above. It starts stuttering on most elevated spots on the map.

[shut current]

In my opinion this map needs some adjustments. Its imo too open and when you try to push you dont have enough Cover and get shot down by redline campers

[cobalt steppe]

I find myself mostly playing in and around the city to avoid that. Failing that, there is always room for another redline bushwanker. I love how trying to cap is essentially suicide. Serves them right.

[civic agate]

Good map but please put the full version into ww2.

[warm sorrel]

I think that the reason that there's a different version in CW vs WW2 is that some tanks (eg: Type 5 Heavy) would be unhappy. Which is the same reason that Halfaya pass is also not in WW2. The CW tanks having much more mobility makes it easier for them to access the full map

Edit: To be clear, I believe that this is something that BAM1500 during one of the weekly streams

[warm blade]

Can we take off Dragon Ridge, Malinovka, Great Wall and Overlord for the same reason? 👀

(You’re not wrong btw)

[warm sorrel]

The size of the CW Nedelberg is 1500x1500 (I think), as is Halfaya Pass.

The ones that you listed are at most 1200x1200 and more likely to be 1000x1000, so they should work just 'fine' for the superheavies. I know that it's a not a great experience climbing the hills of Dragon Ridge in a Maus, but ...

[warm blade]

1000x1000 in width sure but as you said that exploration time is expanded by severe gradients and entire map divides meaning you’re forced to a lane on one side of the other usually.

Would rather walk a mile than climb a tower block of stairs personally

[warm sorrel]

I'd suggest that you make a thread on the maps in the current rotation and give your thoughts as to why they should / shouldn't be in the rotation for those particular battle levels.

[warm blade]

I would however there is no consensus or overwhelming majority so the effort would be lacking from the final result.

Besides, most items are approved based on what they love, not what they dislike, even though the dislike is the most vocalised.

Natural human behaviour, it’s faster to complain than to approve, myself included

[alpine cove]

The game goes full slow motion when you’re in the A1 corner up on top of that hill

And I’m on a series X with fiber internet

And my game nearly freezes solid on top of that hill

How does nobody play test this stuff before it goes live

[tulip sparrow]

Nippleburg

[loud hull]

That question pretty much sums up WG in the last 2 and a half years.

Anyway, the new map, in my opinion, isn’t anything special.
When “burg” is in the name, there is usually more city than forest/fields.
If there is more city outside of the borders, I think sliding the map borders over a little to make more buildings come into play would be nice.

[loud hull]

Hopefully they get remade/redesigned, since it was stated that WG will look into changing a few after the original maps return.
They are truly awful maps.

[vapid phoenix]

Not usually. Burg is a castle, the one prominent in the middle of the map. There might be a city nearby or only a village or nothing at all.

[vapid phoenix]

What about live oaks? What about Ruinberg? What about ensk? What about the maps that the community has been asking for For years?? Why can’t we have that? Instead we got a PC map that no one asked for from my recollection that is already unbalanced because the map promotes camping in spawn, and the south east section of the map is biased to the south west spawn because they have a hill to hide behind with lots of large bushes and cover. North east spawn going south get eaten alive because all they have is houses, no cover to be able to use to even see without getting spotted and are forced to push into concealed tanks.the castle and upper ridges are bad because well, again, as soon as you are winning the castle, there is literally no cover. You are being force to push into -artillery -players camping in the spawn using concealment that cannot be spotted unless some poor brave person has to cross open ground to hope to proximity spot the base of the hill. This map frustrates so many people that I have to talked to about it.

[warm blade]

We can make a different thread about preferred maps to return/remove/balance another time

[vapid phoenix]

Is what I have noted about Nebelburg going to be brought up in discussion?

The other thread is fine for the other maps

Because this is Nebelburg feedback.

[warm blade]

Sure but just saying SPG is right we need to make sure the feedback stays mostly about the new map so we can more accurately take notes

[cobalt steppe]

Yeah, from the NE spawn I always go into town. Castle is an ok place to fight, but you can't really push from there unless whoever went into/above the town is pushing also. Digging out that SE corner is no fun.

[warm sorrel]

FYI - and this is by no means "official", merely a strong suggestion - is that anything that is can be reported as a bug should go into the various bug-reports sections of #technical-support. Bonus if it includes a video showing the exact problem. I believe that others read these and collect info about potential bugs, but it's just a lot easier if there's a report with a video in the right place.

I'm not trying to pick on these - but rather they are examples of what should / should not go to bug-reports:

• "I go to <MapLocation> and my FPS drops significantly" should be a bug report.
• "Adding more buildings to make the gameplay better" is a suggestion and belongs in this feedback thread

[torn sparrow]

Trash map, there is no push able or playable sides, you either get screwed by arty or TDs or from some random spot

[oak monolith]

You can push the town side quite easily, as long as you don’t take shortcuts. Most players try and push the centre, which is a death trap. The field is ok if you are a quick light or medium, but you have to keep moving. The buildings near the field are useless.

[torn sparrow]

I'll try it next time, but I still really hate it cuz of the random angles you get shot from and because of it you can't set up a defense

[compact merlin]

Just my two cents... I really like this map, I'm glad it was added to the game. I will also be ecstatic when I don't see it constantly. I know its in high rotation now, so it'll just take some time, but that's my reaction. Great map tho, otherwise.

[placid ember]

Getting graphical slowdown on SERIES X so its overheating my console probably, just like Heilbron and himelsdorf did. Not having my console damaged so it an auto-leave map now. Its not that good on CW anyway. The actual cold war maps very rare now. Its pretty pathetic as i only play CW

[vapid phoenix]

That is a big bummer

[vivid lodge]

For me all good

[alpine cove]

Happens to me too on series X. Massive graphic lag/slow motion effect/frame drops all on the outside of the map

I took a nice video of it coming soon

[vivid lodge]

Ok interesting 🤔

[vivid lodge]

Video?

[alpine cove]

I’ll get another clip next time im in a real match with full teams. The lag gets considerably worse with more players I think

[vivid lodge]

Remember 1 map use to have fps drops a bit but on this one just played couple minutes ago feels ok to me🤔

[vivid lodge]

Anyway doesn't effect gameplay 🫠

[alpine cove]

FPS drops don’t affect gameplay?

Never heard that one before

[vivid lodge]

It's slow game compared with fps multilayer games like Warzone or any online shoter cs go there you need a lot fps and stable.And in your case dropping from 60 fps maybe to 45 40 fps let say so?So tell me before series x on last gen xbox one or one x was only 30 fps and all was happy 😊 so if you have drops from 60 to 45~very decent performance 😉 only bad players looking problems

My fresh video looks ok 👍

[alpine cove]

The game is literally choppy

It’s well below 30FPS

You can see obvious pauses in gameplay where the screen is frozen

I’m glad it works for you

But it does not work for many others

[vivid lodge]

But looks better anyway strange cuz i tested its ok on mine series

X

[alpine cove]

Yeah I’m on series X also with 1GB fiber internet

And the lag mostly occurs when looking towards the castle

And I do see your game lag for a second when you looked towards the castle

[vivid lodge]

No no lag in mine video make me laugh 😅you eyes lie again like in you video with fv4005 you missed but trying to prove it was glitch and shell go through with no dmg.Camon mate everyone comfirms im right 😉

[alpine cove]

You watched my second video and still think I missed?

I’m positive many other people are experiencing bad lag on the edges of the map

[vivid lodge]

Anyway mine video not lagging and i guess you miss but fps imagine showing you hit.So fps drops (and maybe network issues)try to fix with basic steps rr fully router,check speed and latency msg Restart xbox recommended daily. Because my friend use to have fps drops on couple games cuz he rarely Restart xbox.So after Restart no fps drops so do same. If still same report glitch to WARGAMING 😃

[alpine cove]

Thanks bro I know all of that already though

[vivid lodge]

Because doesn't make sense same console but one have fps drops other guys no.Unless network and maybe usa server playing?don't know what else can be.Send report Wargaming

[alpine cove]

I am reporting it to wargaming already 👍 I have spoken to many players already about this who have also experienced the lag

I got a better video coming. Finally got a game on Nebelberg after hours

[warm blade]

Would just like to add, there is a known possible issue with the new map and frame rate drops.

[alpine cove]

Thanks Dave

[vivid lodge]

Before i know everyone use to have big fps drops on Heilbroom map

[alpine cove]

Pretty good video I think. Pretty noticeable. This doesn’t happen on any other map for me at any time

[torn sparrow]

Didn't change my opinion at all 😕

[cobalt steppe]

Mine is even worse than that. Series x, 1 gb fiber also. Worst spot for me is on the elevated area around A2-3 - B2-3.

[vivid lodge]

Reinstall game.What wargaming saying?

[cobalt steppe]

Not the game, it's the map. WG says they are aware of the fps issues and are working on it, which could mean anything. Problem is on their end.

[vivid lodge]

Hmm interesting why not everyone have issue

[unreal skiff]

The map seems really good.

The city is great for tanks with longer reloads that need more cover to have a nice drawn-out fight or try to blitz through fast

The field on the other side of the map with houses and rocks sprawled about is great for tanks with more maneuverability and faster rate of fire as it is more chaotic and dangerous but gives better access to the enemy cap if you can win the flank

The castle in the middle is super dangerous if enough players push and getting control of this location is really strong as it gives you overlook on the other two flanks

I honestly like all routes in the map and it flows great and looks beautiful.