AVRE Balance Feedback

[gleaming wigeon]

how do you think of this idea

[plain forge]

WG have already said why they won't drop it in CW: reactive armor just says no to explosions

The thing that makes it's gun broken in WW2 would make it useless in CW

No what we need is a buff to spall liner or a built in splash damage resistance to be applied to certain tanks

[crude pilot]

Just nerf pen. Feels more like a TD than a medium

[shrewd granite]

Idk, seems it would fit in fine with current splash mechanics, can easily by pass armor like that and considering we have other derps already at Era 2 that have less alpha and can still hold there own.

[lean dock]

The easiest thing would be to just give ppl 3k gold and flat out remove it and say an apology for being so irresponsible

They could try it at least for a week without compensation and see the community's reaction

[plain forge]

Not gonna happen

[lean dock]

Ik

[outer mesa]

ok remove AVRE from game, lest remove more- all troll guns from tanks, remove build in aimbot- or minimum block shots when autolock ON, reduce autoaim to center screen, remove ! aiming warning, only sporting BULB warning, remove MM +2-2, 10 tiers match only with 10 t, remove stupid rock bugs, remove 10g+ physics for artillery, remove satelite wiev for artillery, add manual aim with distance calculation or use own skill with full manual aiming like other games, increase gravity for all wehicles-nov you can drive on wall or any other rock and flip tank like cartoon toy, remove +/- RNG damage and penetration, remove MM mechanism for win and loose teams, just use fair players teams squads and platoons, remove premium shells-give heavy tanks chance to use armour, give TB better camouflage, remove all garbage effects from game, o better lest remove all game data for make happy all winning players and close serwers, time to rest XD

[outer mesa]

actually You can mount on heavy tanks -50% to reduce explosion and ram damage, and effects see 250-300 dmg from AVRE not 500-600. Today HE shells dont work so great on all tanks. and all dmg is calculated depend on thin armor of impact HE.
Far far away HE give half dmg of standard AP damage from all hits even tracks. I remember game so easy because u known how much need to finish tank with left hp. Today you can deal 50dmg or even 0 from 400HE XD

[gleaming wigeon]

I didn't say remove avre

[deft zinc]

No just remove avre.

[crude pilot]

Yep

Remove it

Give a different tank

Sorted

[gleaming wigeon]

Could be arranged

What we thinking

The lion

Another trash Italian tank

[deft zinc]

Nothing. The boomers deserve nothing.

No gold reimbursement either

[gleaming wigeon]

Truers

[lean dock]

Ngl i would take it

[gleaming wigeon]

Just move it to era 2

[willow gull]

The problem is all the things combined, so a nerf to one of the things would bring it more in line with what it should be

[crude pilot]

Just make it only playable in tier X games. At least

[wide galleon]

making it only see 10's doesn't fix the problem. the tank itself needs to be nerfed.

[gleaming wigeon]

Correct

Or

Or

We moce it to era 2

Give it more hp and speed

Call it a day

[shrewd granite]

Its actually still pretty easy to tell how much damage you will do with HE

[plain forge]

It doesn't half damage though

If it did the 💩 barn would deal 300 damage on a non penetration instead of 500

[frail owl]

The game is unplayable with this troll tank everywhere and one shooting tanks, destroying the gameplay and all the fun of this game...

Please remove it ... I Don't want to leave the game

[ornate sand]

With avre all good babies don't cry🤣problem is per team 4 or 6 avre what's problem even when you play with avre 🤨interesting tank hard to play perfect

[crude pilot]

Even 1 avre can ruin Ur day if you're tier 8

[ornate sand]

If you tier 8 any destroyer or heavy like 705a 60tp type5 wiht high explosive can ruin your day😅or just stumtiger sama tier bam 800dmg😆

[crude pilot]

Not really

[ornate sand]

Yes

Same with avre not really 😀just avoid it's not dam invisible Taran 😀

And its world of tanks what the point if all tanks requires same skill has same dmg and so on bullcrap😄

Only tank to nerf need Wiesel tow it's ridiculous overpowered

[crude pilot]

No it's ballanced

[ornate sand]

Yea wiesel balanced🤣

[flint drum]

bro is 9

[shrewd granite]

Yup

[ornate sand]

@flint drum 9 what?

[crystal holly]

that doesnt solve the problem, its the stupid high alpha combined with the gauranteed damage, even if non pen. hitting an e100s ufp for 700 dmg without pen should not be possible at all, let alone that it fights t8 and t9 tanks... its just broken

[ornate sand]

@crystal holly to e100 300 dmg man avre not so powerful i have 900 battles in every month so.inknow better

[gleaming wigeon]

@ornate sand i full pen e100s in my avre

Just aim better

[ornate sand]

Auto aim allways 😅best way sometimes best dmg that way plus no time to aim usually if have time yes agree

[gleaming wigeon]

You win a lot of games auto aiming

[lean dock]

Who needs skill anyways

[crude pilot]

Fox the tank

[ornate sand]

@gleaming wigeon if i see far enemy tank auto aim and most shots impressive over 1k dmg it's avre secret 🫠

Same like t100lt omg auto aim doing a lot pen dmg

[gleaming wigeon]

Impressive

[ornate sand]

Will show to you if meet you 😄

[gleaming wigeon]

Probably not you would already be dead

[ornate sand]

No mister i know better even knowing you tankkiller😁

[thorn pebble]

love how it can its turrent rotation can out turn a light as well

then ave the accuracy to snapshot

[crude pilot]

Yep

[rocky mountain]

It used to be such a nice game before this exploit

[crude pilot]

[gleaming wigeon]

Just give jt

Just give it a week

Just give it a week

[deft zinc]

All caps ui gives me an aneurism

[maiden panther]

@gleaming wigeon

[gleaming wigeon]

True

[sour osprey]

I just got the Bär and these OP mediums ruin it for me.

[thorn pebble]

i just wish it was given gun handling befitting the tank that from a visual stand point looks like any other derp gun in the game (short and stubby)

Giving it better gun handing than any of the tank destroyer of similar calibre in the same nation makes mockery of those tanks

This erodes the pathways in the game for players to actually have a desire to bother grinding up those lines.

They can play less gold than it would take via free XP conversion to buy what would with little argument from either side of the fence, is a better tank

[willow gull]

"Hard to play"

Face forward and derp everything for 500 or 1400

Ez

[rapid lynx]

Just out dueled an AVRE one on one driving my E75. It wasn't my hardest victory but definitely one of the most satisfying.

[last zephyr]

[deft zinc]

Why are 3 man yolo avre platoons even a thing? Wtf is wrong with WG

[maiden panther]

@deft zinc

[ornate sand]

Easy to say with no experience 🤣but very depends of map you cant face fowar small rock on your way lift gun so high you shot stars so need turn turret to make depression 😉

[ornate sand]

5 usually 😂

[unique falcon]

Wow big deal I have to turn my tank 10⁰ to get dep

[severe birch]

They are never going to nerf any sold premium tanks. Keep fighting those windmills though!

[willow gull]

"No experience"?

If you say so chief

[wild glen]

you sound silly

[crude willow]

THE VERY BEST SOLUTION THAT NONE OF YOU HAVE THOUGHT OF...WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE ARVE.. APOLOGIZE...THE HARDEST THING IN THE ENTIRE WORLD FOR WGCB, IS TO ACTUALLY APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND WHAT THIS HAS DONE TO THE WW2 COMMUNITY..AND THEN.. REFUND THE 4000 GOLD...THE DIFFERENCE IN PRICE BETWEEN THE PREMIUM & STANDARD PASSES, AND THEN.... >>REMOVE THE ARVE<< NO NERFS, NO NOTHING !!! BE DONE WITH THE WHOLE THING FOR GOOD !!! (refund all equipment/permanent camo/ inscriptions/ emblems and vouchers ect..) In a world, better than the one we live in, they would remove it from not only peoples stats and profiles, but the impact it's had on the overall game itself. SADLY, that would be impossible to do. (This is a copy from the lesser ARVE thread) - This is the only solution for tanks like the ARVE & Taran. >>The Truth is, is that rebalancing would cause just as much uproar, especially the nearly 100 USD Taran. SADLY, the bigger picture that you all seem to be missing is: If they simply nerf these tanks, then they still PROFIT with no loss or punishment for them. We're all left with tanks that are Not what we payed real money for !!! THEY KNEW DANG WELL THAT THESE WERE BROKEN TANKS B4 They Sold Them !!! If they're Not made to refund Gold, then They will still make OP tanks in the future and profit until the game is done. IN SIMPLE ENGLISH, IF YOU DON'T SMACK THE BULLY HE'LL JUST KEEP TAKING YOUR LUNCH MONEY !!!. Truth be told, WG should actually be made to refund Credit Cards and Console accounts. The only Fair and Just way to do this, is to: Remove the tanks, Refund the Gold / cosmetics / equipment. If they refund gold, they still get to keep our money, but at least that hurts them a bit financially. If they only Nerf the tanks, they'll either still be Op or Worthless. The Truth is, Knowingly making an Op product then nerfing it, is the same as stealing. A person is simply Not getting what they payed for. It's Pure Bait and Switch, except with real money.

[wild glen]

that's a wall of text

[wild glen]

@crude pilot

I don't think he wants to sit this one out

but he ain't wrong

rb rt pen somone die is the way of arve

there is no other way

[maiden panther]

@crude willow i read this text and felt motivated. my friends read this text and felt motivated. my neighbours saw this text and were motivated. we rent a projector in a big field and my village people saw this text and felt motivated. thank you so much for this text

[wild glen]

WHAT is bro saying 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[deft zinc]

He’s yelling but spitting facts.

[crude pilot]

The thing with this abomination of a tank is that,even if they dont nerf it by changing its stats but through other "measures" , HE 2.0 for example, it would still be broken , because of that ridicolous high pen on both shells, especially the premium shell, there is no winning. People keep saying that the balancing team already knew , that they'd been ""forced"" from higher ups, i'm not buying that, yes there might be influence by higher ups, but i legit think the balancing team is this bad, because they proved it when there were no monetary gains at stake,they are just horrible at their job.

[little wagon]

I have it and don’t feel it’s over anything. Hard hitting, but so are others. Hard to kill if you shoot at it from front, though i certainly have been killed that way and have killed them that way. Otherwise no real problem to kill. Bunch of winers in my opinion, but i can be also about weasel, any artillery, etc etc

[willow gull]

Ah yes, the good ol' "Whiners because they want a balanced game" approach

[crude willow]

What you're saying could very well be true. It's so hard to know. I still lean towards "Marketing" as pushing for the Op tanks like Taran and ARVE. But either way, they just need to simply remove and completely refund. That's what my wall of text says. It's worth a read if you care about this situation. WG console will never be able to balance them because you can't please everyone, and Nerfing them, isn't Fair or Right for the people who paid real money for them. Remove and Refund is the only option.

[crude willow]

Bro is saying that the only solution is to Nuke them from Orbit..."It's the Only Way to be Sure !!!" In simple terms. Remove and Refund is the only real Option. Balancing them won't work.

[wide galleon]

I can subscribe to this idea that they just need to remove the tank because we all know that the people who make decisions about what to nerf/change have no idea what they're doing, and they wouldn't address the issue at all. Kind of like suggesting the fix to make it have tier 9 and 10 MM only... a completely braindead idea.

[severe birch]

+1/-1 is a braindead idea?

[wide galleon]

no.... they suggested making it so the AVRE only saw 9 and 10's. The ONLY tank in the game with that MM...

[wild glen]

beating a dead horse 🐎

[solemn ridge]

Nope..
Im pretty sure, the Lycan and AMX Chaffee also have +2/-1 Matchmaking

[plain forge]

+2/-1 isn't the same as just -1

[wide galleon]

which of those are tier 10? I clearly said "only saw 9 and 10's"

[cyan sequoia]

The snake bite too.

not exactly, it has, never sees 5s

or if it does it always sees 7s, i cant remember exactly. I dont have 1, i have real cromwel

[ivory harbor]

Ooooo I remember the snake bite days

[solemn ridge]

It states, that your idea of restricting a Tank to a "community friendly" pmm isnt that new to WGC, works and presents a, at least, somewhat useable solution..

[unique falcon]

Yea coz avre is only a problem for tier 8s . Clueless

[wild glen]

please note the the people in here who have said the arve isn't broken

are just having a interesting take

[onyx sentinel]

Toss the AVRE into cold war fgs. Its braindead and ruins WW2 cause nothing has anything to defend against it

[gleaming wigeon]

I krep saying throw it into era 2

[plain forge]

The AVRE wouldn't be THAT bad if spall liner was significantly more impactful

But it's not, soooooo

[hybrid osprey]

Spall liner doesnt do anything if the shell pens which a large number of the AVREs shells do. Even if they just splash, you shouldn’t have to sacrifice an equipment slot because of one tank

[plain forge]

I was mainly on about the splash, but fair enough

[hot jay]

A spall liner is good in general against any HE source though.. AVRE isn’t the only tank in T10 guys lol

[plain forge]

It doesn't drop splash damage by anywhere near as much as you think it does

[severe birch]

Anyone miss the good old days when it was the Equalizer that was the final straw that made us all quit WOT? 😉

[unique falcon]

There are like 80 t10 . I think HE 2.0 is way better fix

[gleaming wigeon]

@unique falcon i think avre in era 2 is a better fix

[unique falcon]

They will not change or remove it . Afterall its only got 50% wr

[gleaming wigeon]

Thats what happens when people who have never played a t10 are allowed to buy t10s

[hot jay]

Not after the Arty nerf.. please I don’t need arty to even less damage… might as well not exist at this point…

[hybrid osprey]

Arty 2.0 was a buff

[hot jay]

Sure, you can argue the numbers. But it ruined the fun, dropping big numbers on tanks was the reason to play arty imo. The chances of dropping 2000 damage on a direct hit that penetrates the target? It’s a wonderful feeling!

Now it’s almost a garenteed hit for 400-500 every 20 seconds.. riveting…

I’d rather sit in the backline and play a tank destroyer

[hybrid osprey]

The irony of that statement. Arty ruins the fun for everyone else. There is no excuse for that.

[maiden panther]

"Hurr durr I'm bad I sit in back of map and need to one shot people to have a chance to do damage"

[severe birch]

I had a guy start yelling at me in a game chat and all I did was put a hesh round into his TVP VTU with my AVRE. Sure, get mad at me for playing my AVRE occasionally if you want to (I do it for the memes). But doesn't he deserve at least some of the blame for driving a TVP VTU?

[maiden panther]

Huh

What if he was trying to grind

[flint drum]

he deserves the blame for driving infront of an avre/being in a position that didnt allow him to back up considering hes in a VTU, not for playing it in the first place

not all the blame tho

[plain forge]

It goes multiple ways

WG is partly responsible for adding the AVRE

It's the players-base's fault for choosing to abuse it

[thorn pebble]

many live in them.
Some inside platoons of them

[olive carbon]

Many players obviously love the AVRE, it has the same meme attraction as arty and straight into tier 10, no grinding required. Hence why there is little chance of AVRE numbers in games reducing significantly and zero chance of WG doing much about it. The only thing I think would be doable from their point of view would be a move with some sort of 'having looked at the figures we believe this tank is better suited to cold war' statement to save face.

[severe birch]

The only thing they could possibly do that makes sense, since they will never, ever, nerf a premium, is powercreep the F out of it by buffing everything else.

[plain forge]

You have to look at which tanks are most affected too

The ones hit hardest by the introduction/buffing of howitzer tanks and are being hit repeatedly with changes that negatively impact them

[pearl sentinel]

Once Arty players figured out how to adjust and play it after a few months, the Arty problem has gotten arguably worse

That brief couple months after Arty 2.0 when most arty players dropped Arty bc they didn’t know how to adapt was great. So many No Arty matches

[crude pilot]

The avre is the perfect noob no skill tank 👌🏻 more and more players leave the game and in the end there are just some avre noobs left and the name changes into world of avre 😂👍🏻

[plain forge]

Same thing happened when the V5 was in a season, when the taran was added and when the armadillo was introduced

It's the same old 💩

WG doesn't balance their tanks properly to begin with and are unwilling to nerf anything, premium tank or not, to fix it

[ornate sand]

Everyone with avre punishing you poor guy 🤣you dont have avre so shut up no.skill tank cannon accuracy terrible shell
speed 565 ms no.depression slow

[maiden panther]

@ornate sand🤡

[wild glen]

@inner dragon

[plain forge]

You don't have to own a tank to know it's bad for the games health LMAO

Although "bad for the games health" might be an understatement, at this point they've turned off life support

[gleaming wigeon]

its funnyi keep running into avre players where there avre has 10x the battles of there next closest t10

imagine

His next closest t10 has 113 battles

Riddle me this why dose the avre have 10x the battles of his waffle hmmmmmmm

[crude pilot]

Girl, I have that tank due to the season pass. Before you start telling people to shut up, you should stop running around the house in your mothers underwear… 👙😅👌🏻

[severe birch]

If all AVRE players were that AVRE player, there would be no complaints.

[unique falcon]

Not really this guy still rb rt you for 600.

[wild glen]

just gonna leave this here

@calm crag wassup

[lean dock]

Imagine being so bad that even a bot tank can't make you at least decent 💀💀

[little wagon]

I don’t see why the avre issue is so triggering. As long as. WG continues to have games with more than one arty in them, ww2 is practically unplayable and no fun. Unless you are an arty player. Intill that issue is solved, I don’t care what they put in Ww2.

[wild glen]

wow

that's extremely depressing

you forgot to add text you bumbling buffon😂

[flint drum]

if the avre isnt broken then why am i able to do 7k every 2 games

[ornate sand]

@lean dock so bad?you see my battles boy what im capable 🤣 and ps answer too all here who is complaining about avre and pretend its easy tank to play just close eyes and shot everyone 😄i can tel wake up buy avre and you stop complain and understand why people playing wiht avre cuz need skill to use tank.And who complaining about avfe low skill rokies you are i against AVRE dont have problems with any tank😄

@little wagon half player rookies dont have premium tanks just jealous some have avre and support game instead of allways crying. Other part complaining wiht no skills because can defent themselves from avre get spanked and later go here complaining avre easy to play its no fear bla bla🤣Omg it's like COD players allways 😭😭🤣🤣

@wild glen very low iq person you are whats why my team loose tank for mature people mister understand this plz

[severe birch]

It is wild, tbh. I have over 22k games over 3 years on console, and that guy has more AVRE games than I have in my most played tank.

[lean dock]

Just checked upon, I average the same amount of damage in tier 6 that you are doing in tier 10 💀💀
And AVRE isn't a bot tank for apes like you

[severe birch]

Not judging too much. I have an AVRE too and I meme with it. It is really useful in completing the late stages of the Machine contract (again). But I can't imagine playing over 1,000 games in it. I would die of boredom.

[lean dock]

That's 1800

Not 6k

[ornate sand]

@lean dock and i recognised you many time blt get spanked from me lol go hide your self 🤣

[lean dock]

Lol

Someone is angry

[ornate sand]

You dont read?i say one battle 4.5.6k other then losing 400, so avg 1.8 not so bad cuz people not like you learned to fight against Avre.Why i should angry? Because some kid try explain with avre easy play? You not spending a penny for game just complaining type player are like lower lever life form 🤣Just go play tier 6 boy 🤣🤣

[lean dock]

Maybe read again my sentence

[lean dock]

People write long stupid answers when they are angry

Yup

Really mad

[ornate sand]

No

[lean dock]

Ah cool, so you don't like purple, cool

[severe birch]

I just looked at my stats in this thing, and the number that jumped out at me was 99% pens. That seems stupid, tbh.

[lean dock]

Interesting

[flint drum]

i think splashes count as pens in this game

[lean dock]

Is it?

[flint drum]

pretty sure

[plain forge]

Yes they do

Organize every tank by pens and you'll find howitzers at the top

[flint drum]

it says it in the efficiency report as pens

[plain forge]

Which is stupid

[lean dock]

Kk

Da

[severe birch]

Yup. Sorted by that, and my past of playing arty came back to haunt me.

[wild glen]

bro got put in the corner

[past nexus]

Jesus, the amount of people trying to justify the AVRE who don’t understand how HE works is insane.

[plain forge]

Which makes it all the more satisfying to prove them wrong

[wild glen]

real question

[past nexus]

“HE doesn’t splash round corners”

[wild glen]

WHAT was bro saying 🗣️🔥🔥

[past nexus]

“Just use a spall liner”

[wild glen]

I couldn't understand anything bro was saying

[past nexus]

These people need to be muted for a week

[wild glen]

@past nexus Google translate??

[severe birch]

"How HE works" is a little too good with these large bore guns. Gets worse every time they touch it though, so be careful what you wish for.

[plain forge]

They haven't changed HE mechanics on console WDYM 💀

I'd take HE 2.0 dammit

[wild glen]

@quick hull

[livid pendant]

Does any arty here have reached the 100 kills AVRE tanks yet?

[severe birch]

Am I crazy? Wasn't there an HE "nerf" around 2 years ago?

[plain forge]

PC got that

Not us

[severe birch]

Huh...I was playing both for a while, but I could have sworn it was console. My bad

[past nexus]

ngl i had no clue what you were talking about earlier so i just ignored your message
but yeah.
our HE hasn’t changed at all since launch

[plain forge]

https://youtu.be/w5Q0PUOCrQI

Put it simply

This

[thorn pebble]

i hit your barrel poking out it does,

hit the ground next to the corner, it does

hit the wall behind you, it does

[maiden panther]

@plain forge aiming at weaker spots for more damage with he? No we can't have that average player would be seething🤡

[plain forge]

Ikr! The very idea makes me sweat!!!

[maiden panther]

AIMING!

[plain forge]

Aiming? The hell is aiming?

All AVRE players know is RBRT!

[past nexus]

note the quotation marks.
I know how HE works. You can also kill people through buildings if your HE has enough splash

[severe birch]

At least now I know why HE has been more effective since the nerf. Wrong platform. In my mind that nerf happened on console, and the HE damage here has been way higher than my expectations.

[severe birch]

I aimed a hesh shell in my AVRE yesterday. IS-4 lower plate, full pen. I think we were both surprised.

[wide galleon]

Me, on Himms in a baby waffle, driving to get in position. Someone in AVRE, on the move, blind fires down the 3 line and hits me for 1500 and sets me on fire. Certainly what makes this game so fun.

[severe birch]

[solemn ridge]

Whats kinda curious to see is, that most times i see AVREs on the BF, they are getting focused like there is no tomorrow.. Nice job WG, letting the players be the sponge for the players anger obout your "comunity management"...

[flint drum]

skill issue 🗿

[crude pilot]

Definitely need to nerf the pen and make the gun similar to maybe a Sheridans larger gun

[wild glen]

it's a 165mm gun

Sheridan is a 152

[blazing mortar]

Give everyone a refund for avre take it out t 10 is a joke when you play against 4 of them

Its like wg doesn’t want people to play the game so much bs in the game that wouldn’t be hard to fix but they just don’t care? Understaffed? Or just in it for money

[crude pilot]

Point being to nerf the game

[raven edge]

yeah... i decided to take out the 4005 and focused the hell out of one. felt good to get a few shots in. 🙂

[wide galleon]

I literally celebrate every time an AVRE is eliminated, regardless of the team.

[plain forge]

Finally have a good excuse for WG to nerf HE

but they haven't nerfed anything in absolutely ages

[crude pilot]

HE 2.0 isnt a nerf, its a change, we can only hope man....

[crude pilot]

It’s a buff to players who understand the mechanics of he and using it properly

Nerf to players who just ape with he and rbrt for damage

Wait i think i worded it wrongly, i didnt mean it for the HE to get nerfed, i 100% know pc HE and i'm in favor of it, it was confusing now reading it back. The worse part about the avre is that it will actually be even better with HE 2.0 , can you imagine it being able to go through tracks and most spaced armor? Lmao with 240 pen its more than enough, first we need the AVRE pen nerfed, then we need the HE 2.0 (altho i want he 2.0 asap....)

@crude pilot forgot to tag answer , mb.

[crude pilot]

He 2.0 will make avre hell of a good player plays it

Would nerf it vs most average and below average players

[gleaming wigeon]

Listen idk what your talking about

Avre is balanced wg told me so

[plain forge]

It took what? 7 years for WG to even touch our arty? We still haven't nerfed our TDs like 4 years after PC did

We're not going to get HE 2.0

[deft zinc]

We’ll get more premiums tho

Cash cow boomers keeping this game alive

[livid pendant]

On 💰

[gleaming wigeon]

Interesting

I dont see any bs on the turret

Excuse me i ment upperplate

[unique falcon]

Almost as cheap as wg sold it

[cyan sequoia]

Well it wont have, the gun will be deactivated so its not sellable with blocks of explosive all over it

[gleaming wigeon]

No i ment the upper plow

[sacred slate]

💀

[delicate niche]

LOVE the dam thing.

[unborn kraken]

Nerf it now

Reduce its damage aswell,

[solemn ridge]

Just remove the shovel or make it cosmetic only

I know.. I know... But the toxicity it caused nor still causes is just borderline blunt..
U know me and my skilllevel, its not that ultra pain for me to fight against one or two per match, but for a lot of players, to overcome a confrontation with one or two AVREs can sure be a pain in the back..
Left alone the encounters with lower tiered vehicles.. ..

[deft zinc]

[severe birch]

When I play mine, I play it for maximum toxicity, tbh. My shot priority is:

1. One-shot meme
2. Hull-down monster
3. Anything in front of me

20 second reload, glass ammo rack and paper sides means they can be countered, of course. But unless you are clueless, you don't play anywhere in one by yourself. These things are so hated that you will get baited, circled and executed at the red team's earliest opportunity. So you have to stay in a group. I try to pick something like a T-57 or a Machine to hang out with, because you kind of even out each other's weak spots.

[cosmic basin]

It can One Shot then why were the Death Star and 4005 Nerfed??

[gleaming wigeon]

Herda der

Avre has bad side armor

[cosmic basin]

So does the 4005 but it was nerfed!

[gleaming wigeon]

True

[plain forge]

The game was different back then

1: WG ACTUALLY NERFED THINGS

[wild glen]

they only nerfed 2 tanks back then cheese

technically one

the other one was a rework of the waffle

during the valour era

[plain forge]

Its been like 6 months since anything has been nerfed whatsoever

[river vale]

Need to reduce the alpa to 800

[severe birch]

1.5: WG has never nerfed a premium tank.

[gleaming wigeon]

Aheam armadildo

Excuse me

Armadillo

[cyan sequoia]

actually they have. They did 2 things to the pz5/4, they first changed the varriables around ground resistances and every tank was corrected to work with new "system", except the 5/4. Thats why it wont turn like it did in its hayday. They also went through a phase of tier nerfing the hell out of it, you couldnt take it out without seeing 7s in 90% of battles, just nerf it, if its stupid OP.

The big bert also just took a nerf from sweeping arty changes

The kraft panther took a huge nerf with 6.0, because everything else near it took a buff, this is a nerf to krafty. Power creep is still a nerf

[plain forge]

They nerfed the kaiju OI iirc

[severe birch]

Idk, to me changing the variables a tank interacts with without changing the tank itself is not exactly a nerf. Nobody is going to have any justification in demanding a refund because the tank stats themselves never changed. If they did something like that, ie an HE nerf, and then changed the stats of the tt tanks to adjust for it, but not the AVRE...that could work. Suddenly the AVRE sucks, but none of its stats are different.

[plain forge]

Armadillo

Kaiju OI

[severe birch]

Idk what an armadillo is. Some cw nonsense? What did they do to the Kaiju? Was this back when they changed the guns around on the whole line?

[plain forge]

They nerfed its armor along with the OI

And the armadillo is a GI JOE CW light tank that had a multitude of its stats nerfed very shortly after its release along with the fact WG actually offered a refund because of it

[severe birch]

Well, I guess there is precedent then.

[plain forge]

And when the type 5 line got reforged the kaiju wasn't actually buffed

[plain forge]

Yeah but since then they haven't really nerfed anything

It's not premium tank specific

[wraith crypt]

If they bother to listen, they can navigate by failure just as much as they can navigate by success.

[late sand]

Can I not instantly get to read the original post? Do I have to manually scroll all the way up?

[opal bluff]

You could try fix words “AVRE” or search the OP and look through his messenger what he has said

[late sand]

Fix words??? And alright I'll just use search.

[unique falcon]

#1077584715189592237 message

[late sand]

Thx

[sly mural]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Get this thing out of here. Just remove it. Your terms of service allow for it. Yes, people will scream and complain. Which is exactly what they're doing now. Either way, they're gonna complain. This thing IS a problem. I don't care what your numbers and data say. Your refusal to acknowledge this and come up with workable solutions does you no credit. Remove it, or at least make it more historically accurate. I vote for removing it. Refund owners the extra gold they spent on that season pass. This tank is ridiculous in its present form, and shouldn't exist here. Spaced armor on it that repels even premium shells, and the fact that it can whack you out of existence without even an ammo rack. Seriously? It's not a TD, its a medium. And it should NEVER see a tier 8 in combat. My opinion, it should never see any tank in combat, as it shouldn't be in the game as it now stands. I know WG won't listen. They never do. But come on, seriously? Yes, I do own this tank. And I've played it. It makes me feel dirty, especially when I 1 shot some poor tier 8 TT tank just trying to grind up their chosen line.

[late sand]

I agree the tank has no need to be in the WW2 game mode. But I I doubt WG will refund thousands of people the amount of cold or money ppl actually spent to get the tank.

[blazing hull]

Avre shouldn't shoot HE. That would solve most of the problems

[lean dock]

I agree, 175 HEAT with 1.1k alpha, 210 HEAT with 850 alpha, problem solved

[ionic lagoon]

I like how the devs say AVRE is fine because its winrate is around 50%. Well...specifically when AVRE is just matchmakin balanced and there is often an equal number of AVREs on either team, it's pretty logical that this tank will have an average winrate of around 50%. The more important thing is how the tank affects the game for other players. Just yesterday's game, 3x AVRE in both teams. They took the top 3 spots on my team, and they also took the top 3 spots on the enemy team. So the result is an average winrate of 50%, but only they enjoyed the game, the rest didn't enjoy the game much.

[willow gull]

They once said it's balanced because it does a similar amount of damage to the Grille 15 and FV4005 (I think, could be wrong) which are paper TDs

They said nothing about the spotting, armour etc.

[lean dock]

Cuz statics doesn't show those

[willow gull]

I guarantee they have that data

[lean dock]

Ofc they have, but they only see the dpg and the winrate

The 2 most useless data for this tank

[plain forge]

210 Heat? You'd be Lucky to pen a centurion with that

[lean dock]

Idc, screw Avre's, 50% of the players don't even have a TT tier 10

[gray snow]

Crazy that they won’t do this even though their fake currency being handed out as a refund does 0 negatives. People stop complaining that a medium tank has 1k alpha
And people who bought the tank simply get their fake currency back to buy a different tank

[late sand]

Indeed

[willow gull]

True

[unique falcon]

They nerfed the e50m and 430u before because they had high class survivability. Guess avre is immune to nerfs

[plain forge]

We haven't seen any nerfs for months

None at all, it's not just the taran or AVRE that are immune to nerfs

Atm everything is

[unique falcon]

Hmm 416 was nerfed

I haven't read all patch notes

Yea they knew it won't sell with the old state

[plain forge]

It makes sense that they need to make paid content desirable but dam

You're not wrong

[gray snow]

Insane comment from wg considering I rarely bounce of those 2 but frequently bounce off avre

Wotstars knows the truth

[maiden panther]

🤣

[astral silo]

If the wot console community did what the war thunder community is doing, perhaps we would have achieved better results.

[gray snow]

The problem is they can ignore everything since people will still buy it no matter what

Mfs will complain and cry then give them$50 for the same thing they complain about

[valid monolith]

1400 hit by a super skilled avre player🤣🤣. Autoaim - hit - done.
I hope you'll realy do something about this nonsense "tank". Playing randoom battles became a funny joke

[wide galleon]

the WG braintrust is so woefully gutless over addressing this tank, it's embarrassing. The AVRE was release MONTHS ago and is still the most played tank in the game. This community has been vocal, and consistent about the need to address this tank, but they won't even give us the time of day in their highly controlled weekly stream. They have no shame.

"dId YoU sUbMiT yOuR qUeStIoN aHeAd Of TiMe?!!" Like we're F*cking children

[maiden panther]

@wide galleon did you raise your hand

😃

[flint drum]

was this on fishermans bay while you were playing a progetto 66? (or whatever the tier 9 heavy is called)

[deft zinc]

“Just give it a week”

Brain dead

[maiden panther]

@deft zinc 🤣

[wide galleon]

They team that manages this game is trash. They're trash

[maiden panther]

@wide galleonwatch out they gonna come get you

🤣

[wide galleon]

None of them read any of this anyhow. if they did, they wouldn't need us to submit our questions ahead of time for pre-screening because they're too cowardly to answer anything else.

[maiden panther]

@wide galleon bruh true

Lol

[deft zinc]

Facts.

They’ll probably answer some trash like “when are you gonna add more butterflies to the game.”

[crude pilot]

Or my favorite, " when is the <insert random mercenary tank> going to be available for the 99999999999th time? " without even addressing how some of those are completely unplayable because of how either powercrept or nerfed they are.

[gray snow]

How’s everyone feel about classifying avre at td instead of medium

[plain forge]

Doesn't solve the core problem with the tank

Its spaced armour is beyond troll while being able to derp literally anything through the turret for 600

[gray snow]

I agree but it at least stops the mm from placing it against tanks that literally can’t kill it

Kind of lost interest in continuing the centurion line because by tier 10 I’ll pretty much get matched with this troll derp gun that I won’t be able to trade with

[plain forge]

It's still going to see those tanks

[gray snow]

Absolutely but matching an avre with any other medium is just weird as hell

Plus wg doesn’t seem to nerf premiums and changing its class isn’t really a nerf but it should help

[plain forge]

I can see why, but that still wouldn't help

Also WG hasn't nerfed any tank for a long time last I checked

Its not just premiums

[gray snow]

Crazy move

Rebalancing ? Not like other games do that

[plain forge]

Iirc the last tank to get a nerf (Premium or otherwise) was the armadillo

[gray snow]

Pretty dumb

Idk how they though 1400 alpha on a medium was a good idea

[plain forge]

Quite frankly it's the medium version of the type 5

[gray snow]

Other mediums just can’t compete

My 220 alpha centurion doesn’t do enough

[plain forge]

Troll armor and a gun that doesn't deserve the right to exist

[gray snow]

If the troll armor was removed it’s be better

It’d

At least it’d be more like a medium in that sense

[plain forge]

Partly yes but any gun which can damage a tank for 600 on a non pen is fundamentally unbalanced imo

[gray snow]

Derp guns lmao

Reminds me of kv2 back in 2015

[plain forge]

My point exactly

[gray snow]

Avre just eats T8 alive

Wolf pack avres win lobbies

[plain forge]

We have a heavy tank in the game which can literally out DPM various tier 10 heavies penetrating rounds just with splash

Poor rinoceronte

[gray snow]

Sad

But being a heavy with that gun is better

Than avre

By a little bit

Just insane they know people hate arty for a decade then give a medium body and turret an arty gun

With no draw backs

[plain forge]

Stupid balancing decisions

[gray snow]

Plus troll armor

Insane move WG

Hey at least they made money because no matter how much a community hates a tank 85% of people will buy it while hating it

[unborn kraken]

me when

[pastel lake]

The gun ought to be at most similar to a type 5 heavy’s 15cm; high alpha if you pen if not a couple/few hundred to double digits depending on where you hit. The chassis should just be plain without the spaced armour bits and the turret maybe changed to a Conway’s instead. I’m all for derp tanks but the AVRE feels filthy for a derp tank as it outclasses every other derp tank.

[flint drum]

removing the spaced armor on the avre wouldnt change anything for anyone with a brain as they'd just sit hull down/sidescraping and be practically impennable because nobody can aim

[plain forge]

No gun in the game should be able to deal >400 DMG on splash

Any higher and it literally makes armour useless

[pastel lake]

Yup, that’s why e.g. type 5’s 15 cm gun, sometimes you get a few hundred on the side and sometimes you get less than a hundred hitting the armoured parts (head-on thick armour or spaced armour). Any higher is usually hitting flanks or weaker sections of armour which is the trade off for a longer reload compared to precision guns. Any HE with higher penetration should be offset with something such as having less accuracy, mobility or armour on the tank itself shooting

[plain forge]

Nope, you hit the armored part of a tank and it'll just find the weakest armour in the splash radius to deal damage through

Hypothetically you shoot the 270 mm turret face of the E100 with the type 5s HE

Itll just deal damage based off the 40mm hull roof

Dealing 500-600 splash damage

[pastel lake]

Hmmm then a HE rework would be a better solution; damage calculation based off the impact point? Might remove the effect of shooting below the tracks for underside damage though

[plain forge]

Exactly what PC did, but that caused an upsurge in hulldown tank gameplay so console won't even consider it

Granted the incredibly simple and entirely reasonable solution to that problem being: just give those tanks weakspots that can be penned even while hulldown

Would work

[unique falcon]

So in other words people who enjoy playing tanks like kran can finally enjoy playing it ? HE splashing people until they stop peeking is stupid strategy. also not only hulldown tanks will benefit from HE rework every tank in game that doesn't spam HE will.

But console always been a more dumb down version of what pc wot is and probably always will be

[plain forge]

No

Anything that isn't a howitzer has literally worthless HE unless you're fighting a Waffenträger, 💩 barn, grille or Taran

But with the number of AVREs around simply existing means bleeding health

[hybrid osprey]

I mean yeah, low tier derp guns are very opressive

[plain forge]

This is high tier derps

Type 5 was WAAAAY overturned with its buff

Can literally out DPM same tier heavies with just splash by sitting outside of their range and derping them

[blazing hull]

HE needs a nerf

[plain forge]

And I only brought up the type 5 because of its problematic similarities it shares with the AVRE

Trolly armour and a derp gun which bypasses armour

[flint drum]

the type 5 is paper to anything above 300 pen

[wide galleon]

got banned from the WoTC "Very Important Question Answered" stream... max all in his feels about it I think

[wild glen]

you got banned for question good questions

typical wg

[hoary seal]

Wonder if they have gotten enough data yet for avre nerf. It's only been a few months

[wild glen]

@hoary seal "give it a week bro"

[crude pilot]

@hoary seal https://discord.com/channels/630895439520202783/1097054370270543894

[formal path]

Hmm

[cyan wadi]

The thing literally removes all purpose from the Sturmtiger.

[crystal holly]

this is why we need HE 2.0 asap

[plain forge]

Won't happen because of how it affected the meta on PC

[crystal holly]

in my eyes, meta got positively affected

[steep rampart]

A hull down meta will be better then what we have now. It’s just ape yolos with rbrt. Adding he 2.0 won’t change that.

[cyan wadi]

Then the Sturmtiger is useless 😂 you have to sling HE and without it your screwed

[plain forge]

A sacrifice I'm willing to make

[steep rampart]

as is with all other he based tanks

[novel pine]

Problem with the avre is that it’s near enough impenetrable frontally, these changes would balance it but it will never happen

[severe birch]

Yes, it is OP and well armored, and impossible to pen with auto-aim. It does have frontal weak spots though.

[novel pine]

It’s a tank is devoid of any skill, any player can jump in that tank and have a decent game, why wg persist with trying to compare its performance to the other 183 tanks is ridiculous because they aren’t nearly as played, the funniest thing is there’s 7 Russian tier 10 mediums in the game and the avre has 3x the amount of games played of them all combined, if that doesn’t tell you what’s balanced and what needs changing I don’t know what does

[maiden panther]

Even after centauro and t58 release avre is still most played tank

"Just give it a week"

[severe birch]

Are you agreeing with me or arguing with someone else? It's a broken tank. It also has frontal weak spots if you bother aiming. The thing is bad, but it isn't Chuck Norris.

[severe birch]

Can't argue with facts, I guess. Anecdotally though, I have been seeing way more T58's than AVRE's in my games. I did notice more AVRE's in my games last night than I had seen since the new season started. I guess I have just been lucky.

[cyan wadi]

It’s bc they haven’t done anything to nerf it at all

[severe birch]

The thing is, they never will either. They will release more and more that are as strong as / stronger than the AVRE. Its only nerf will come from powercreep.

[plain forge]

Meanwhile the weaker tanks are being powercrept so badly they might as well not exist anymore

[cyan wadi]

Your right

Look at the Taran

[maiden panther]

Reforged are nice sucks we see them like once every 6 months

💀💀💀💀

And when they do do the Reforges half the time it's either tanks that don't need them or these tiny adjustments like foch and jag e100 reverse speed

🤣🤣

[deft zinc]

Basically

[severe birch]

I would like to see an increase in the T-57's reverse speed. It is so tragic.

[sturdy glacier]

Will this anoying piece of sht ever be nerfed?🤣

[solemn ridge]

Sadly, i dont think this will ever happen.. 👎

[plain forge]

Are we seriously saying this?

again

[blazing hull]

Just take away the high dmg HE and give it AP similar to the FV4005. Tank wouldn't be an issue if it didn't have unnecessary high dmg HE

[hybrid osprey]

The armor would still be an issue. It really needs some of the spaced armor removed especially the lower plate

also 165 ap on a med is crazy

[plain forge]

Also the 💩 barn as your example of a tank withnot excessively high HE damage?

No

[wide galleon]

It’s fine everyone. It’s actually underperforming so we’ll likely see a buff.

[gleaming wigeon]

Her da der

Der da der

Tank is fine

[torn gazelle]

That is why sometimes those spreadsheet warriors should actually play the game instead of just looking at the statistics, everyone with 2 braincells can see how disgusting this thing is.

[wide galleon]

This team with 4 AVRE lost because they just overplayed their tanks. They’re doing their part to help those numbers.

Those two things have congruent meanings. Something broken isn’t balanced.

That’s proof enough.

[deft zinc]

This game is doomed.

[lean dock]

Same with arty

[wide galleon]

What other HE tank has the same armor, mobility, camo, and alpha as the AVRE?

[crystal holly]

its not about under- or overperforming, by statistic the wt 100 wasnt under- nor overperforming on pc, it was just completely broken, like the avre is now.
they balance tanks by checking statistics, that alone says enough

[severe birch]

This could have something to do with the fact that they are so heavily targeted, because you would have to assume that better players would excel in the thing if all else were equal.

No idea. The whole thing is a mystery.

[wide galleon]

Yeah… can’t talk about a tanks stats when talking about balance. Makes sense

[crystal holly]

how does wg take skill level into account? explain me please, how does that work?

[severe birch]

Maybe that is the solution though. If everyone plays this thing at tier 10 and nothing else, all unicums harness their inner potato, stop aiming and just throw hesh all over the map, maybe the numbers get to a place where they have to do something?

[hybrid osprey]

It doesnt matter. They are so popular that even if good players play it, there will be just as many on the enemy team. So, the metrics they look at, particularly winrate, will never change.

[maiden panther]

They never look at the top players

[hybrid osprey]

Its like saying arty is balanced because it has a 50% winrate.

Very smart

[maiden panther]

Aka taran top 50 players have 5k-6k dpg

[wide galleon]

Cherry picking stats to suit a narrative. WG’s old standby.

[severe birch]

I caught that too. So ridiculous since they are always evenly distributed.

[wide galleon]

As though the idea that really bad players do well in a tank isn’t a sign it’s broken

We can’t forget we’re talking about a medium. It’s a medium.

[severe birch]

There is a minor bright spot in all this. Because the one on you team is cranking out 2k of damage instead of the 0 or 400 he would have done in his T57.

[tight flint]

Bro having heavy armor and a TD gun on a medium that is immune to HEAT rounds is perfectly balanced, idk what the problem is.

[shrewd granite]

Came back after hearing about the news from WG and yup.... WG still... WG.

[wild glen]

@shrewd granite later

[shrewd granite]

Yeah f this, I'm out

[wide galleon]

the designers and producers of this game do not care about the competetive health of this game.

[formal path]

I wonder if it'll ever be available for purchase again

[unique falcon]

Without a doubt. Its the most played tier 10 for the past 3 seasons

[wide galleon]

Magna is absolutely right. The AVRE was the most played tank in the game for a long time, the most played tier 10 even longer. Until recently when the T58 was released. We'll see if the T58 has the same staying power as the AVRE. It's still very common to have 2 or 3 AVRE per team in games.

[wild glen]

154k battles in arve

[wild glen]

it was on the mark site

it was 300k when it first game out 🙂

just give it a week

[sturdy glacier]

Barely see any T58, but AVRE is still a thing and will always be🤣

[lean dock]

just give it a few weeks

[crude pilot]

Perhaps its weeks in a dbz time chamber

[quick hull]

The avre just does way too much damage

It has way way too much damage for a medium.

It is just à better version of the type 5

[plain forge]

Its literally a combination of the 💩 barn, the chisel and a centurion

[crystal holly]

next WG is introducing the M65 tier 10 arty with w9/19 shells, if it has a 50% winrate its balanced, even if it fires nuclear shells....

[quick hull]

Needs damage, reload and accuracy nerf

[white shell]

Exactly it's popular so the super bad players average it out but does not mean it's just better than Dstar and Sbarn since there HESH was turned into a wet paper towel

[rapid lynx]

Exactly how high of a pen do you need to pen the side of the AVRE turret? Premium shells from my E-75 certainly weren't doing it. Meanwhile he can aim at my gun mantlet and take half my HP.

Side rant: these damn maps like Laketown that force you into a narrow lane where flanking is impossible.

Time to go play something else for a while.

[crystal holly]

they dont listen, avre is their "child", so they will find any excuse possible to not change/nerf it or they just create some reasons or statistics...

[wide galleon]

It’s underperforming people. Be happy it isn’t stronger!

[hardy zealot]

They didn’t nerf the nemesis they “buffed” it 😂

[formal path]

I hope it's next month's tank of the month and they put it on sale for US $9.99

[astral silo]

Hey WG how about increasing the damage, penetration and armor of poor AVRE? After all, it's your favorite child. Ps, I'm being ironic.

[scarlet ledge]

@orchid cedar

[orchid cedar]

Hallo

[unique falcon]

Learn weakspots over the years <play avre

Most played medium tank in the game atm . While pcs most played t10 medium is the leo1 . Truly a different game

[maiden panther]

@unique falcon but he go brrr

😃

[crude pilot]

HE 2.0 Will make avre even more broken, BUT, atleast it will nerf it a bit for the rbrt potatoes

[quick hull]

They gave the nemesis 310 pen but like… you don’t have armour and have awful camo.

[plain forge]

That's if we get HE 2.0, like ever

[crude pilot]

Yikes

[mighty bear]

AVRE is a med that can pen a tier 10 heavy through the front for 1.4k and if it fails it dose anything between 400-700. I don’t see how anyone can’t see the problem

[wide galleon]

WoTC is a business first and a game producer second.

[quick hull]

I do awful in the avre, i don’t usually get my hp in a game in the damn thing and I usually die pretty quickly but even I know its broke

The fact that even though im terrible in the tank i can just aim at something’s general direction and splash it for a couple hundred or more is just not good for the game.

The type 5 gets away with it because its big, slow, has no camo and no view range.

The avre is fast, has decent camo and very effective spaced frontal armour.

HE 2.0 would fix the issues regarding people’s complaints with the splash and armour of the tank but people also don’t like the fact that they still gotta aim with he shells

[unique falcon]

Preach 🙏

[spare prism]

Im pretty sure the main issue peoppe have with the tank is that being hit with HE is always extremely annoying because of the lack of the need to aim. (which is just a flaw with the healthbar-based gameplay and design of HE shells in general, but-) The same annoyance applies to artillery, or any derp tank in the game really. Usually these tanks are memes and considered sub-par, but sometimes excell when RNG favors them (except for artillery which is blatantly broken), but when a derp tank starts performing a bit more consistently, then people begin calling it overpowered. I think the issue is just the stigma that derp tanks MUST be inconsistent to be balanced.

I believe there are other ways to fix tanks without absolutely annihilating them with nerfs like this would do.

[plain forge]

Derp guns have the highest penetration % in the game

Just in general, not just the AVRE

[lofty marsh]

We don't know how the API works

[plain forge]

Its shots that cause damage

But my point is that if you get hit in your most armored panel with a HE shell which cannot even go through half that armour why should you take 600 damage?

Why should you be set on fire?

[spare prism]

Does this take into account the sample sizes? Because I garuantee you HE shells are used less by orders of magnitude than other shell types, and therefore will have their statistics skewed more.

[plain forge]

That's because outside of paper targets HE shells on anything other than a howitzer are literally useless

Not one person has fired an HE shell from an IS7 and gone "yeah that 42 damage was worth that shot"

Also it's hardly a coincidence that the 💩 barn has a higher pen % than the E4, because it definitely isn't the AP shell it has

[crude pilot]

Lol no. If they’re hull down and playing it right then yeah might as well make them have less health before the push to get them.

[plain forge]

I said fired from the is7 not at it

[unique falcon]

It will be interesting to see what the percentage of standard HE vs premium HE fired out of the avre 165mm . Probably around 90% standard if not more

[crystal holly]

it will not make it more broken, if you take the e100 for ex. now if you hit the turret face, dmg is calculated by the weakest armor plate the explosion is able to hit, wich in the e100s case would be the top hull plate, after HE 2.0 it would be the turret face directly, wich results in a massive lower damage. please correct me if i am wrong...

[plain forge]

No you are right, but it would also reward skillful play more than it currently does

If for example you are able to hit the hull roof directly you would be rewarded with a nice chunk of damage and brainlessly spamming HE at strong armour would punish you with minimal damage

[crystal holly]

it would also massively change the playstyle of many avre players, now they trade vs. an e100 with guaranteed 600 dmg vs. not so guaranteed 750 dmg, after HE 2.0, i dunno if it would be worth, like 200 guaranteed dmg vs 750... as a reference i take the 4005 premium from pc, wich is still 1750 and if you hit the e100s turret face, you get ~400 dmg, thats it.

[plain forge]

Yeah but you shouldn't be rewarded with 600+ damage just because you hit someone, especially when you hit them where they have the most armour AND don't even pen

[quaint nimbus]

Funy British tank with big gun

[unique falcon]

But don't worry guys it's underperforming. Because the spreadsheet can tell everything

[astral silo]

Can the E100 get a buff?
Interestingly this tank and several others will be getting a buff next season, more details next week. Does this worry or terrify you?

[plain forge]

Why would a weak tank getting a buff terrify anyone but the vegetables who like to bully it

Also the "other tanks" will probably be things on a similar performance level as it

[unique falcon]

I think they meant the avre is one of the several tanks maybe

[plain forge]

WG has its moments but they aren't that insane

[lean dock]

That's why they added the Avre, wiesle, Taran

[unique falcon]

And already have plans to resell the weasel. They already sold the taran twice . Next is avre 🙂

[formal path]

Lol

[lean dock]

They are not selling "underperforming" tanks cuz it won't sale as much 🤡

[plain forge]

Selling an OP tank and buffing an OP tank have different outcomes

One makes them crap tonnes of money, the other causes an outrage

I think they learned their lesson from the E4 and type 5 about buffing already strong tanks

[lean dock]

No, they never learn

And that's one of the big problems

[crude pilot]

I guess I can forget about playing the game today. Can’t even play because every game has an Avre that I just get full penned by. Yesterday I was playing the T-22 medium and I was dealt 600 damage and the Avre hit my SPACED ARMOR. What the heck. I enjoy playing my heavy tanks and getting full penned for 1500 by one just sitting in a bush across the map

It is ridiculous

Genuinely want to uninstall

[maiden panther]

Only 670 for a non pen🤡

[steep rampart]

Angle dummy

[maiden panther]

@steep rampart

[steep rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/right-damn-gif-22561385

[slender cypress]

[crude pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-big-yikes-oops-award-awkward-gif-14697236

K

Broke link

Sadge

[late sand]

hmmmm i wonder who won
sarcasm

[cyan wadi]

That justifies nothing

AAT is just even more broken then

[flint drum]

aat isnt played by bots

[hoary seal]

Aat requires a brain to do well in

[stray nebula]

👍

[opal bluff]

good times

[crude pilot]

Lol

[wide heath]

Just here to beat a dead horse and say that the AVRE isnt too strong but I'd rather sacrifice my first born son and fall 2 stories onto a picket fence than have to play with them on the enemy team every other game. It's not a question of balance but rather one of a single tank ruining the game experience for an entire flank.

[crude pilot]

Meanwhile Sturmtiger with 380 mm rocket <500dmg against heavys

[late sand]

Yeah because it's the Sturmtiger. And it's slow, fat and is a TD without a turret.

[crude pilot]

realistically Sturmtiger would obliterate every tank in game with one shot

[formal path]

Yes

Buff sturm

[crude pilot]

But Avre can do better because of this

WG is the most money focused company ever

[late sand]

Yeah but sadly it doesn't in game. It's the reason why I don't bother with the Sturmtiger line. I'm very disappointed the way the made the tank the way it is.

[crude pilot]

Sturmtiger p is the Worst Tank of the line its so slow you often can't even get a shot off except u get on ruinberg or some small map

And you have to get like 260k until u get the bär

[late sand]

Yeah very frustrating indeed

[late sand]

I actually like the Bär.

[crude pilot]

Bär actually has armor but Sturmtiger p is plastic

[late sand]

Yeah

[crude pilot]

200mil against tier8 is basically plastic

[late sand]

And since the Bär is tier 9 it can face tier 7. So more tanks to shoot that have less armour. And despite being a tier lower than the tier 10 it only has 100hp less then the Sturmtiger

[late sand]

Yeah I feel that with the KV-2. because I've been playing this game since 2014 and man can I tell you HE did not used to be this trash like it's now.

[crude pilot]

I actually really liked the Sturmpanzer and would switch it with Sturmtiger p as it is because it is better lol

Actually fast and has decent armor but i wouldn't rely on it

[late sand]

Yeah it's mobility is great

[crude pilot]

Actually kinda dum that u get jpanther2 on tier 7 and tiger p hull at tier 8 😂

[spice crystal]

How about the gun depression over the front?

[crude pilot]

How about giving it an option to switch firing mode to artillery? So you can choose between arty mode and close combat?

[wide galleon]

This is still valid. AVRE should be nerfed

[ornate sand]

No if you have avre you will understand why

[keen lintel]

It's still only a Centurion. It can be defeated if you use your brain.

[ornate sand]

Exactly ! What's the beauty of the game 🫡

[maiden panther]

Taran can be defeated just spot it

🧠

Weasel can be defeated just hit it

🧠

Molot can be defeated just pen it

🧠

[clear echo]

🤣🤣🤣

[steep rampart]

Arty can be defeated, just shoot it

RNG can be fixed, just don’t miss

MM can be fixed, just don’t go in +2 games

Bad teams can be fixed, just carry and win by yourself

[clear echo]

1.2k win8 I understand now

[clear echo]

Use it more then

[plain forge]

The fact this thread is 9 months old and nothing has happened says alot

[flint drum]

moe thread 🙂

[plain forge]

True

[delicate niche]

That's the problem, the game is full of idiots that run out in the open & die within the 1st minute or less then gets mad at the team for actually using their heads by taking cover & not dying like they did.. it's funny really. Can't tell you how many times I've seen this happen.. they get mad at me for using my head & lasting til the end of the game coming on top lol.

[flint drum]

omg ur so bad, not dying in the first minute like i do👎👎👎👎👎👎

[crystal holly]

In this case, the bad players ensure that the AVRE is not nerfed. The same thing happened on the PC with the WT on E100, the WN8/win rate wasn't the best either, but the developers decided to remove the WT on E100 from the game because it was broken. The same applies to the AVRE.

[copper belfry]

It’s the opposite actually. Good players underperform in it more than bad players

[delicate niche]

The AVRE has absolutely Nothing to do with idiots running out in the open, they run out with EVERY tank. The AVRE doesn't magically make or stop idiots from running out in the open.

[crystal holly]

no, what i try to explain is, those statistics are worth... flush em down the toilet, theyre just used by the dev team as excuses for bad balancing, avre isnt op nor its up, its just f..... broken, remove it...

all you need is an IQ above an average room temperature to see that the AVRE is broken...

🤑🤑🤑🤑 and not willing to agree that the avre is a big mistake...

[rapid lynx]

I wonder if on some level at WG everyone groaned when it was announced because they knew they were going to hear nothing but us complaining about it from that point on.

[clear echo]

Translate : broken made for noobs trying to remove the skill gap

[copper belfry]

Is it a mistake though from WG’s perspective? Most of the complainers are top 1% sweats and it sold incredibly well and most players had a lot of fun playing it

[maiden panther]

😴😴😴

[crystal holly]

no, but wgs perspective isnt my perspective

[keen lintel]

Stop complaining about the AVRE. You are going to get me, and others, playing it... Then you'll have MORE AVREs to deal with.

I still say it's a Centurion, which can be destroyed if you play smartly enough against it. I don't play tier 10 much, but I've killed AVREs, using "lesser" tanks.

[calm atlas]

Doesn’t matter still a op tank regardless

[keen lintel]

As if there aren't MORE op tanks out there.

There are.

[plain forge]

And they should be nerfed

[calm atlas]

Again it’s one of them that needs to be nerfed

Such as the fv211

Taran

Molot

And so on

[plain forge]

4211 was knocked down some with the cupola bug it had being patched

[keen lintel]

I had a funny battle the other day. I think I was out in a tier 6 light, looking for spotting assists. I went right, my team almost entirely went left. (And of course the other team ultimately won, with a base cap). So I had to swing over to left of centre myself. From there I spotted several, but didn't receive any assists. I ended up going in for some pens of my own. By then the other light on my team was destroyed, and a player in a (unpainted Patriot) was ranting away about how "idiot lights were letting him down", "idiot lights were dying early", etc. About that time I was engaging an opposing heavy, probably close to his tank, but seeing my shots bounce off its armour. I tried moving to a better position, but was taken out by somebody to my right.

He carried on ranting about "idiot" lights for 5 seconds more - at which point he was dead early too - in a well armoured, tier 8, Patriot. So who was the real idiot there? Lol.

He'd obviously raced ahead too far, expecting the rest of the team to cover his behind. I guess he mustn't have been playing for a while. Sad to say, but teammates don't usually cover others these days. Too busy waiting to steal, it seems. And obviously not caring enough about winning to do the basics, like defending the base.

Losing that battle worked out for me though. Next time out in that particular tank I was on a winning team, with a very good battle, and scored nicely. Meanwhile he was probably still ranting at other "idiots" who had the misfortune of being placed on a team with him. And losing again.

[cosmic basin]

🙄 WTH does this have to do with the AVRE?!? 🤪 😆

[shrewd granite]

Why do people use the worst arguments to defend the AVRE? "I kILleD iT WihT lEsSer tAnKs" congrats buddy.

[bold galleon]

I also killed avre’s with lesser tanks, in my case they weren’t looking my way. The avre are still toxic for the game regardless of what a minority of people claim.

[quaint nimbus]

Dawg what

[delicate niche]

Yea that is a big problem nowadays.. no cover taken, running out too far, & them dying within moments of the game.
Seen in millions of times....

[tired ruin]

I really have to stop playing this game.

[keen lintel]

If you'd bothered to read Truth's post, "That's the problem, the game is full of idiots that run out in the open & die within the 1st minute or less then gets mad at the team for actually using their heads by taking cover & not dying like they did", you'd know what I was replying to.

Reading comprehension really has become a lost skill.

[keen lintel]

gO aWay aNd cRy tHeN.

[cosmic basin]

Again has nothing to do with “The AVRE Balance Feedback” which is the TITLE of the post. If you’d bother to read that! Are you always the smartest person in an empty room?

[keen lintel]

You must be a ton of fun (or at least amusement) at social events/parties.

[humble fossil]

Bro needs to stop talking 😂

[cosmic basin]

You sure are disrespectful.

[flint drum]

bob

[keen lintel]

And the above posts have WHAT exactly to do with the AVRE?

Stop derailing.

[humble fossil]

frisbee

[cosmic basin]

Time for you to just stop 🛑 you started with your incessant babbling 👋🏼

[flint drum]

bob

[humble fossil]

frisbee

[quaint nimbus]

Shut your Trachea

[astral silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu1rq-Qtz08 If that's not enough, then there's nothing left to do. On the 26th we will have to relive the nightmare of 4 Avres per team. WG nerfs this now.

[quick hull]

Personally I’m just gonna avoid t8+ now

Most of the people i used to play with have since stopped playing the game because of the avre on its first launch or the re-sale of the taran for a cheaper price.

Or they have just stopped playing ww2

[drifting ice]

Same, imma go my pref mm tanks like sta-2, kv-5, jagdtiger 88 etc.

[sour osprey]

Expensive tank. I love targeting it.

[green blade]

I love when i bounce every shot i fire at it. Then it snaps its turret a full 180 degrees and slams me for 1400. Makes me never wanna play again

[green blade]

They clearly enjoy getting under the community’s skin considering they do stuff that people dont want them to do.

[rapid lynx]

It's the single reason I decided to grind the Japanese heavy line. I'm in my Type 4 now and hunt them to give them a taste of their own medicine.

[blazing hull]

I just play arty and target avre's the whole match

[calm atlas]

Same

[clear echo]

After played a lot to mark the avre and trying to get the second mark I can say with confidence that it is not broken but crazy toxic and needs a complete rework

[pale trout]

The E4 gets better & higher average rolls it really takes a skilled player to get those 5k or 6k games with regularity in the AVR.

[keen lintel]

Watch the AVREs target arty now. 🙂

[prisma cove]

All it needs is a damage nerf and gun handling nerf

[spice creek]

Neither tank take very much skill to perform in and both deserve a nerf

[plain forge]

[pale trout]

They take about as much skill as most lights & mediums...

[plain forge]

Both tanks have very good armour and brain-dead guns, if you face one head-on you WILL take damage and unless you have a very good gun returning the favour is not guaranteed

[spice creek]

Respectfully, massive

[plain forge]

And just in case you think I'm pulling this out of thin air here's the AVRE's penetration % / damage ratio

Effectively 98%

[teal garnet]

When an Avre meets a Type5, the Type5 wins: they do each other quite the same splash but Type5 has 700 more hp

[plain forge]

That doesn't make the AVRE weak

[crude pilot]

War Thunder avre is actually plastic like it should be

[pale trout]

Maybe but WT is such a horrible horrible game 😂🤣😂 WoT is still the best armored warfare game on console... If it wasn't you & so many others wouldn't be here 👍

[spice creek]

Bro is desperate to glaze the avre

[crude pilot]

Armored warfare with stupid high pen and intentionally nerfed armor YES SO GOOD

they sold the most bs tank again that's more than enough reason to stop playing this garbage ahh game

[plain forge]

They're both bad

[pale trout]

Yet here you are dedicated to living the dream😂🤣😂

[pale trout]

Why play & dedicate so much time & energy to it then... I

[plain forge]

Just because it's bad doesn't mean I can't like it

I main the Maus ffs

[pale trout]

So you're now saying it's not bad 👍

[plain forge]

No

I literally just said it's bad but I still like it

[pale trout]

😂🤣😂

[plain forge]

You can still enjoy something while admiting it's bad

[clear echo]

On war thunder the avre can almost one shot anywhere any tank at his tier. If you want to copy past the avre in wot it will be the most broken thing ever.

[spice creek]

Smartest avre defender

[clear echo]

I don’t care if the avre gets nerf it is far from my favorite tank to play. I don’t like playing against it and I’m just marking it after that it will be one of those tank I’ll not use it anymore

[spice creek]

You called it not broken before

[lofty marsh]

He didn't even knew what broken was some weeks ago

[clear echo]

I said not that broken but toxic af and needs a rework.
Broken as hell means that the tank can do anything on any map and in any situation like the chieftain mk6 the valour and other.
Still needs a rework

[spice creek]

HE is broken

[clear echo]

You can say whatever you want everyone still think that what you said before makes no sense at all and I still think you have the brain of a monkey

[clear echo]

Just to be clear with what you said before is : it is not broken but it is broken
It is balanced but needs to be balanced.

Showing half stats of the tank saying it is not performing that well
When if you show the coms under the graphics it says that is to strong and over performing

[clear echo]

It is your opinion I respect it in my opinion it is the most toxic tank. In both ways it needs a rework

[spice creek]

It's not an opinion

Doing 500 damage without having to aim is broken

[clear echo]

That is toxic cause you have to reload for 18sec and it will be broken if the reload was 10 sec.
-1 degrees of depression in front needs to over expose the side its week points = not broken but toxic.
Almost unpenable in the front if you don’t use premium apcr it is toxic but most of the time it cannot shoot at you from the front but if it does is -400 to 600 where ever so it is toxic

[spice creek]

Yeah it's broken

[clear echo]

Whatever

[maiden panther]

Also your not sitting in the open for 18 sec unless your really bad and also avre is completely stupid

🤷‍♂️

[clear echo]

It is completely stupid and doesn’t need any skill to play it

[flint drum]

avre is broken

armor that you need to aim at and still have a 50/50 chance of bouncing while it rbrts for 500

[ancient wolf]

Did tier 7 really need an AVRE?

[neat pelican]

WG just said "idc, just farming cash with rat brain garbos here"

[lofty marsh]

Yes but it's not any more toxic or broken than dreadnought

[keen lintel]

Don't look now, but there's ANOTHER AVRE, lol.

Shame it's priced so high. I would have looked forward to killing multiples of them.

[ancient wolf]

HESH, premium HESH, decent turret, gun depression, adequate armour, the only weakness is the low top speed of the tank. The Dreadnaught was less problematic because the HE pen wasn't as good at tier 7 than it was at tier 6 on the KV-2 among other significant weaknesses. At least this thing isn't smothered in spaced armour so count our blessings I suppose.

[rapid lynx]

Exactly what I thought on the spaced armor.

[ancient wolf]

Still kind of cruel to throw that thing into the game on the same week that a Hellcat is in the personal offers, and a unique skin for it so you can get obliterated in style 🤣

[cyan sequoia]

The 4211 was knocked down by the leopard line. Its still op, but it settled down with 4211 not being spammed any more. The avre has also settled down, its still op but with there not being 5per team its much less of an issue

[clear echo]

Agree

[crude pilot]

Funny thing is they already introduced another one of these bs tanks so glad i have a better alternative to wot 😌

[livid pendant]

AVRE got a son!! Congratulation

[rapid lynx]

Just what the community has been asking for! WG listens and delivers.

[lofty marsh]

Churchill avre is less toxic than dreadnought

[drifting ice]

Yea but its still another he/hesh tank that makes armour a joke

Ofc Less alpha

But still 200-300 hp

[keen lintel]

Actually the Churchill AVRE is the Centurion AVRE's dad.

[green blade]

Welp. Thats tier 5-7 ruined

It honestly amazes me how the churchill 7 had 4 degrees of gun depression but the churchill avre has 12.5 degrees like ok

[slate copper]

Shorter barrel and probably shorter breach too.

[wintry plover]

Yup. Totally 'settled down.'

[cyan sequoia]

Long haul day, and end of string. Spud central atm. Spuds love their big boom sticks

[spice creek]

Every day is long haul day no?

[cyan sequoia]

tell that to the hoards of yolo happy spuds that come out on sundays and mondays.

[keen lintel]

Then they'll do it every day.

[bright patio]

I would snipe at that point. Even in Maus lol

[muted dawn]

Needs a nerf bad,it renders tanks like the obj 705 A armor useless especially after busting your hole to get it climbing the tech tree

[amber jolt]

How the avre ever passed super test is beyond me, perhaps WG take more stock in the feedback received from the testers, and if they ok’d that then you need to look at who is in the group to get more constructive criticism

[lethal gyro]

just watched a CC video on the CW changes, it was mentioned that the silver earn in CW had an impact on the premiums in WW2. The idiotic AVRE has a far greater impact on people not wanting to play tier 8 premiums. So NERF it! Player base is screaming for it to be done, show us that you listen! The CW changes are positive, make WW2 tier 8 a nicer experience again and sort the AVRE out. I just can’t understand how hundreds of your players get ignored. Why alter CW to make it more bearable for new players and not adjust the AVRE for new WW2 players who buy tier 8 prems? Makes no sense

[plain forge]

I doubt the super testers are that dense

Also just because they are testers doesn't mean WG is obliged to listen to everything they say......

[astral silo]

[amber jolt]

As I said in the first part

[plain forge]

Sorry I'm used to a very different stance when it comes to ST

[copper belfry]

At the end of the day, there’s no world where a 165mm derp tank for 4k gold doesn’t wreck the game

[plain forge]

Didn't you sign an NDA on this stuff?

[copper belfry]

Im not in ST anymore

[opal bluff]

He is FREE

https://tenor.com/view/im-free-dobby-is-free-freedom-gif-12308098

[ancient wolf]

I did 2 tours of ST. They don't want, ask for or listen to feedback. It's just bug testing and UI polishing.

[amber jolt]

That’s a real shame and missed opportunity

[lofty marsh]

Looks they skipped bug testing

[calm atlas]

And ui polishing they keep changing it

[minor bobcat]

@maiden panther wonder if the avre still balance. Love how they can just over peak and not get damage and proceed to hit you for 1500

[maiden panther]

@minor bobcat yep🤡🤡

Peek rbrt for 500 he and a fire for the rest of your hp

[teal garnet]

Major problem with Avre is their number

[teal garnet]

Avre had to be a tech tree tank not a premium given for 4.000 gold, this way its number would be the same of other 183mm

[gritty grail]

They needed the armadillo in cold war

[worthy drum]

the only issue with avre is his armor and wrong mode, avre should be cw tank

[burnt cargo]

Fits the timeline of both modes it can go in either mode.

I do think the plow is fine but the turret armor should’ve not been as strong as it is. This would’ve given tier 8s a chance to at least fight back frontally

[flint drum]

• AVRE, whens it going to be nerfed? It's just under performing right now, it's not winning as many games as other tanks. It does have a derp gun but you can't aim down forward, it's hard to turn, it takes forever to reload and the dispersion is horrible. It's not as good as people think it is, its just the impact of getting destroyed instantly. There are lots of tanks that are much worse. We did do an investigation but we determined that we didn't see an absolute need to make any nerf changes to it. We can change it but on the opposite side of the coin how many people will get very angry that we are messing with a tank that they've earned. If it was really OP I would jump on it and fix it right away but it's honestly not.

🙂

[deft zinc]

🙂

[ionic whale]

🙂

[hot jay]

🙂

[wild trellis]

If the tank is affecting the games quality of life regardless of whether it is a tech tree or a premium it deserves to be nerfed.

[gilded hound]

This is stupid to remove the spaced armor in the front

The big gun and spaced armor is the only thing that makes it the avre

[halcyon coral]

WG is covering avre issue by putting Taran on sale lol

[flint drum]

that is exactly why we hate the tank, because its an avre

[gilded hound]

Then take it out of the game

[halcyon coral]

Sure, they only have to give 4k gold back to everyone who bought the SP and full price for those who bought it later. Think again, it's wg 😏

[lone granite]

Heck ill give it up free if they get rid of all of em. Just an annoying tank to play and an annoying tank to fight

[halcyon coral]

I want mah gold back lol 🥲in case they remove it. Player base paid enough for their mistakes, why would we need to close eyes for another incompetence? Just saying

[lofty marsh]

I want my money back for every tank I can no longer play without seeing p2w tanks.

It's a couple of grand for sure

[hybrid osprey]

Truee!!

[ebon pagoda]

Has somebody noticed the changes in the EULA? I think they changed (among other things) the paragraph regarding buffs and nerfs. They have created the opportunity to nerf paid content without the obligation to give the players a refund. I wonder if they might want to nerf some of the op premiums…

[hybrid osprey]

They have always had that ability. The refunds were more a courtesy than a requirement.

[flint drum]

it always said that they could change paid content without notice/refund

you pay for access to the tank, but do not own the tank itself

[plain forge]

Just goes to show people don't pay attention

[teal garnet]

I still think Taran and Molot need a nerf more than Avre (and Sexton I, most op tank of the game 😂:)

[opal bluff]

I wouldn't mind or care even if I bought it. you put your money into something you should now the risk. easy said and done thats how investments work (well small woks but you catch my drift)

[opal bluff]

we lend lease the game too cause its digital instead of a physical copy why else do all games have digital content

[peak schooner]

AVRE available for free xp. Well TierX gonna be fun for a few weeks...

[neat pelican]

Wiesel for free xp as well

good luck ppl

[austere bear]

AVRE or Weiesel? Which one to get?

[latent cape]

Wiesel takes some time to learn, but its ton of fun, maybe not playing against it ;d but yeah, MARIO TANK just landed for the next couple weeks.

[austere bear]

I'm thinking about getting the Weisel, but I'm still kind of learning how to use ATGMs properly. I'm probably not ready for it, but it's hard tp pass up when it's offered for free xp

[latent cape]

yeah, and a little over 200k for it is a steal

if you want to have fun in it, I recommend turning aim asist on

once I did that, I finally understood why this tank might be OP in some way xD

[hybrid osprey]

get the weisel. the avre is a broken tank, but the weisel is broken and can earn you credits

[austere bear]

I might give it a go, but I'll probably pass on the aim assist lol

[austere bear]

I don't really play much WW2 so I'll probably go for the Weisel

[cyan sequoia]

Ontos.

[austere bear]

I have the Ontos, but honestly the shell velocity leaves a little to be desired. I should play it more though

[formal path]

Buff avre

[hybrid osprey]

You can troll somewhere else thx

[formal path]

Oh ok, sorry friend

[lone granite]

Lmaooooooo you got called out instantly

[formal path]

It's better than the sturmtiger at being the derp tank

[lone granite]

😔

[magic flax]

its almost hilarious that this is the most upvoted thread but avre is still yet to get changed at all kekw

[lone granite]

Nah https://discord.com/channels/630895439520202783/1053436349564342362 still has like 50% more upvotes (still no plan to change it)

[ornate sand]

Why the f revert MOE 🤣

[green blade]

Pov you’re a wot dev

Tired of wg reselling tier 10 prems just so r tards can buy them

[maiden panther]

🤣😭

[deft zinc]

Is that suppose to be WG devs?

True

[green blade]

It’s true bruh

[magic flax]

.

[worthy drum]

Nerf avre, i just met avre on 8 tiers and with my 245 pen i could only go to swim. This tank is too strong for ww2

[green blade]

Who ever thumbs downed that is the worst player of all time. Probably averages 870 in his avre.

[quartz veldt]

When are we ever going to start looking at and balancing based on a tanks capabilities rather than spreadsheets?

For the longest time the devs were telling us the 6 shot waffle was 'balanced' based on stats and because it had 'no armor' but it could clip out the highest health tank in the game in under 10seconds, which was clearly not healthy for the game and is completely broken. Same with the old 183 HESH that did 1750 alpha with 275 pen. And if we look at the AVREs characteristics it doesn't take much to realize it is not a healthy tank for the game regardless of what the spreadsheet says its performance is

Another factor to add is the lower the skill ceiling a tank has, the more bad players play it, since it gives them the best chance at getting a better result and doing well. Note how all the most broken and toxic tanks are in the top 10 most played, (9/10 of them been TDs). And with the AVRE coming in at the 13th most played tank over 2x more popular than the next played tier X medium. (If you can even class it as a medium)

It seems PC are quick to realize problems and rectify them and we just stay stuck in a meta where everything hits for 850+, armor is meaningless and the average game time is 4mins. And this advice is been put forward by one of best players to ever play your game, who know how it plays better than the devs themselves lol

[magic flax]

Weird ego

You were cooking til you put the last sentence now I am just gonna disagree with everything you said

[mystic delta]

Nice ego

🙂

[mystic delta]

Dude was cooking with fire until that last sentence. The lil ego trip killed the vibe 😞

(Everything he said was 100% right tho)

[magic flax]

True

[flint drum]

nah hes just him

its uv lightz alt account

[quartz veldt]

Its not an ego if its true

[quartz veldt]

And no i am not uv lightz

[flint drum]

ok bro

nice ego 🙂

[mystic delta]

You’re good but certainly not one of the best players ever

Unless you’re name is Ghost of Gera, Goolius or Skylamic and you’re one of their alts 😂

But at the end of the day who cares if you’re the best or if you’re just an average player. Everyone that actually understands the game realizes that the avre and 850+ alpha td’s are all broken 🙂

[quartz veldt]

What are you talking about? I meant that no one talking in here has a better understanding of the game than who made this thread, i wasnt referring to myself. I know who Kellen is and hes definitely one of the best to ever play the game

[mystic delta]

Interesting

Then I apologize

From what you said it seemed you’re referring to yourself

🙂

But I agree Kellen is a very bad player

[quartz veldt]

Why would i refer to myself when replying to a balance feedback thread? And it seems like you are the one with an ego by telling people who is the best and who is not, stop making this about yourself 🙂

[mighty bear]

It’s ok wizzy is definitely top 10 worst to ever play this game

[quartz veldt]

Sorry didnt realize he had a fan club also

[mighty bear]

https://tenor.com/view/the-joke-superman-flying-missing-the-joke-not-getting-the-joke-gif-16558902

[mystic delta]

[quartz veldt]

I'll accept the apology and move on 🙂

[mystic delta]

Battle of the fan clubs

Miley Cyrus fan club on top

Anyways back to the topic

Nerf AVRE

[mystic delta]

Don’t worry I consider myself the best so it’s all good

🙂

[mighty bear]

I’m honestly insulted that you would suggest I am in wizzys fan club, if I were to join one it would probably be for I goatfarmer PL I

[mystic delta]

[mighty bear]

Or monkeys TD cult

[mystic delta]

Woah woah

That’s not a cult

That’s hacking

[vital otter]

It’s true that avre is underperforming but im not sure what buffs would be made to the Avre with the potential it has in a battle

[mystic delta]

More penetration and speed mode like the cs has would be a start

Would make it pretty balanced

[vital otter]

Maybe replace the standard hesh with ap? Possibly

[mystic delta]

That would be a nerf

[vital otter]

310mm Ap round, wouldn’t it not make it more sustainable for doing more damage than slapping someone for 300-400 with the long reload.

[mystic delta]

Nah

[vital otter]

[mystic delta]

Average player can’t pen shots

So give them 350 pen he

And 420 pen hesh

Would make the tank balanced then for sure

[spice creek]

🙂

[flint drum]

wizzy is very bad @quartz veldt

he isnt even 6k dpg in 2024

[vital otter]

Maybe

[quartz veldt]

who even cares about dpgs in 2024

[subtle wigeon]

Yeah who cares

As long as you try your best

[minor bobcat]

Bump.

[magic flax]

Bro bumping a dead thread lol

[deft zinc]

Lol right. They’re aren’t fixing massive sources of income like the Taran and avre, give it up

[flint drum]

avre not op

[green blade]

Foad.

[fathom dune]

i don’t own AVRE and i can say it’s not problem for me, tank like E4 is more powerful

[coarse sigil]

Bad take, cries about cw being slowed down but wants them to buff the avre. Sad joke mate

[coarse sigil]

Agreed but people cry about everything cause they can't deal with it

[hybrid osprey]

Of course the E4 is more powerful, but the AVRE is more annoying and frustrating to play against.

[lofty marsh]

Technically avre sucks as a tank

Doesn't make it okay though

[gilded hound]

Could just get rid of the bottle plow and nerf the pen a bit

[hybrid osprey]

Which is exactly my suggestion at the top of this thread

[gilded hound]

Ah my apologies then

Couldn't scroll all the way up due to a lot of talking lol

[drifting ice]

Its probably one of the most famous threads on this server

[gilded hound]

Probably

[lone granite]

265 in favor and we will never see anything happen

[flint drum]

266

[cloud sleet]

269. Nice.

[plain forge]

It's been here since the AVRE was released

Mildly terrifying

[silent wasp]

270 🔥

[flint drum]

273

[light arch]

In case you have not noticed AVRE has been silent nerfed ages ago. Long gone are magic HE pens. Armor model has been “fixed” . E4 has been 10 times more popular, way before Roswell contract.
It’s still bs vehicle but closer to sad than op.

[lone granite]

Lol no it hasn't. They were even asked on stream if They would to which the response was "its underperforming" and would not recieve nerfs.

[lofty marsh]

It hasn't been shadow nerfed

Tinfoil hats aren't for eating.

[light arch]

How come it can be penetrated frontally with 238 mm apcr. How come it hits 600 instead of 1400 leopard 1, 250 instead of 700 at is7, how come it’s hardly played.
It’s still bs vehicle but same time nearly pointless. I mean silent nerf is more than obvious.

[lofty marsh]

Rng, confirmation bias, people learned how to deal with it.

It's still one of the most played tanks

[late sand]

HE shells and HESH shells are just underwhelming

It's not the tank it's the shell type

[ionic summit]

I think AVRE needs the same nerf that was given to the Monster version of Krafts Panther the Revenant. It had such high damage and dominated the monster mode, then… unannounced it was nerfed to the point where you had to be very close to hit anything… so if that purchased tank can be nerfed… then apply the same type of shot dispersion nerf. Take accuracy out to make it unreliable to hit anything beyond 60 meters. This tank was used to blow holes in walls and breach locations. Not fight other tanks.

[fathom dune]

avre is fine

[crude pilot]

277

Nerf this thing

Or even, delete it

[flint drum]

real

277 > is7