Revert MOEs

[ripe fulcrum]

Hey guys

How is everyone?

[robust ocean]

[tepid stump]

[sturdy acorn]

Hey guys

Anyone knows how often this moe system restarts??

[steep ocean]

What do you mean?

[tepid stump]

I think they’re asking about the number of games before it starts replacing games you’ve already played

@sturdy acorn is this what you mean?

[sturdy acorn]

I don’t know

[sturdy acorn]

It restarts every week or 14 days, something like that I read

[young egret]

whut

imagine

[autumn smelt]

So it's currently 272 THIS and 6 👍 v's 2 thumbs down.

[raven valley]

It doesn’t anymore

[young egret]

This thread will stay alive maybe someday wg will listen

[frozen nest]

Better to focus on something important.

Want 3 MOE?
Play better, it's the same for all players.

[vital hamlet]

Some MOEs are literally impossible for everybody, which is why we’re asking for a change. The best player can’t get MOEs in some tanks and you’re telling them to play better. Lol

[sturdy acorn]

Yes, it's ridiculous, I had my vz55 at 91% but I quickly fell to 85%

I can’t even imagine the gold mark for that tank

[minor nymph]

Nope. Just a skill issue unfortunately

“It’s the same for everyone”

Just do 2 or 3 more pens on average every game

Easy

[tepid stump]

Impressive enough you got it to 91%

[sturdy acorn]

Yeah dude but I kept playing trusting that the percentage would go up and I had a bad streak and it went down, I regret having used it that day, right now I'm at 88%

[tepid stump]

A lot of it is winning the lottery with scenarios and maps. Took me 1650 games to gold the Death Star. Keep at it dude, you got it 💪

[ripe fulcrum]

MOE is fine guys. It needs no changes and I think if you struggle to mark, it’s a skill issue

🙂

[young egret]

Guys huge news wg just confirmed they will be changing moes back

🙏

[worn grove]

[raven valley]

🥴

[young egret]

April fools

[young egret]

here lies MOE CHAT

https://tenor.com/view/moment-of-silence-pay-respect-rip-rest-in-peace-bow-gif-15963301

[tepid stump]

Was good while it lasted

[young egret]

It was

[brisk furnace]

Cmon wg

[young egret]

im just want the ez shiney gold

[young egret]

Day 280 still no word on revert moe

Wg most likely wont do it bc i would bet they forgot exactly what they did to change it

[minor nymph]

Last time they changed anything the whole system imploded with people getting marks in 1 game… maybe that’s why 🤣💃

[near parcel]

The first and easiest step to prevent MOE rigging is exclude platoon games for MOE account. MOE supposed to be an individual challenge.

[vital hamlet]

Platooning for MOEs is a symptom of a broken system, not the cause. The only things that can fix MOEs are to decouple them from tank popularity/accessibility or to simply decrease the requirements

[near parcel]

No and Yes, platooning for MOE is an individual player ego problem and will always happen regardless of the mode. Why is it even possible to get an personal and individual success mark in a team? And why WG is still allowing this and instead they are creating a suspicious new mode no one of the community ask for? Do you really need more hints that they not want listen to? I just want to point out, WG is not fixing the easiest things, instead they are pulling a new rabbit out of the top hat... This poll has more then 2k, did something changed?

[sturdy acorn]

Revert moes

[coarse dawn]

Marks suck

Only Nerds go for them

[sturdy acorn]

Revert moes

[sturdy acorn]

I agree

[brisk furnace]

Remove marks

Then add them back a year later worse than ever

(Jokes aside, shouldnt be this hard to literally go back to what you already did.. revert MoE)

[young egret]

@brisk furnace they 100% forgot what they did

So even if they wanted to they couldn't

[brisk furnace]

When youre your own worst enemy lmao.

They have documentation I'm sure. Either way its silly.

[young egret]

These r the same people who got the avre in the game but said the carrot was op

[coarse dawn]

I mean, it would 100% be OP if they added reload equipment

It'd go up to what? 2k DPM? OPAF

[young egret]

True

[sturdy acorn]

Revert mojes

[worn grove]

When are they fixing moes?

[coarse dawn]

Yes

[worn grove]

ok

[sturdy acorn]

Si

Revert moes

[young egret]

Did someone say we might revert moes or probably not huh

[brisk furnace]

Thats what I heard. Someone who can speak for WG should totally come in here and confirm or deny this

And aknowledge that this thread is seen in the process

[young egret]

treating us like some of your guys dads

[sturdy acorn]

Honestly all of this it’s because of some players farming bots

[coarse dawn]

Bold of you to assume it has been seen

If it had been I would probably have been banned by now

[coarse dawn]

And yet the people farming bots still farm bots, just makes the game not fun for everyone else

Literally no reason to make them harder cause honestly who the hell cares whether people have marks other than the people who have them

It's more of a thing to do in game than anything else

[brisk furnace]

Didnt mean they've acknowledged it, I ment that if they commented here it would confirm they have seen it. As a joke.

[brisk furnace]

Also true

[worn grove]

@wargaming hello????

[young egret]

Kaiser we have been trying for months

[worn grove]

Oops

So now what. How do we differentiate between who got fake gold marks before and who got real gold marks after the Moe mess up hugeKAPPA.

We should reset all marks omegalul

[young egret]

[vital hamlet]

They changed the difficulty before they introduced gold marks. There’s other varying legitimacy issues of farming map rotation, platooning, 3am eu server, etc but no gold marks were done before the difficulty change

[worn grove]

Ahh interesting

[digital frost]

Can someone please explain how a mark is earned? Me and my buddy found ourselves trying to but failed.

Is it based on the best game anyone in a specific tank has had over 2 weeks and I need to hit 95% of that?

Or is it the average damage across the player base??

What was the system changed to exactly?

[final pagoda]

Every tank has different dmg requirements just go in game profile stats where your tanks info avg dmg how many battles you done ant below will be Mark of excellence % then you hit 65% you got 1 mark

[digital frost]

Right but how is the ceiling calculated. Like how is the game taking the 95% and below? Is it that i have to average 95% damage of the best game (in all games completed in the last 2 weeks) for that tank.

So dude does 10k damage in a t92, and now we all have to reliably hit 95% of that to 3 mark?

Or is it as they say where it's across the board averages where in aggregate, everyone whose played that tank, here's the distribution, and to get 3 marks you have to hit this amount of damage reliably?

I'm just getting a little lost for how the top players are having a hard time 3 marking tanks.... why is that happening?

[young egret]

Bc they broke moe

Cs63 7k dpg game requirements

Wwwwww

[halcyon oak]

It's your avg combined damage across your last 100 games vs the averages of the last 2 weeks.

[sturdy acorn]

Revert mores

[frank fox]

WG pls listen, nobody has fun earning these marks anymore - they are getting ridiculous values, where you have to put out 7 or 8k games consistently to even get them

[coarse dawn]

Nah, I love having to do 6.5k in my T95E6 every game

So much fun

[ripe fulcrum]

5.5k

💤

[frail cargo]

Bump

[young egret]

T95 e6 is one of thr doable gold marks doe

[coarse dawn]

Yeah, and it's still close to 6k

It's just not fun

Having to sweat your nuts off every damn game

[tepid stump]

Even then it feels like you have to roll the dice with matchmaking

[magic thunder]

I personally think sweating for a gold mark is the right thing. It shouldnt be easy not even for the best players dmg standing of 100% it is just to remember.u should literally be the best in the tank to earn this obviously not even all of the top 0.1% should be able to get it, personally i think games with bots should automatically be excluded from the gunmark progress

[glad horizon]

@ripe fulcrum aye bro wanna gold mark the Taran for us

it's only 8000 or 7000 dmg every

single

game

should be easy for you since ur good and Taran no skill tank

my bad it's 6.3k dmg every game

hmm yeah no thanks

[ripe fulcrum]

Yeh sure

I got you

[magic thunder]

Im pretty sure the best players are a able to do it i got the 3rd moe and im not anywhere near the top of the playerbase

[glad horizon]

@ripe fulcrum this true

or did you guys just rig and map snipe?

only reason why the Manti is up there probably

[ripe fulcrum]

Probably?

Idk

How would I know? @glad horizon

[glad horizon]

ain't you like good at the game or something

[ripe fulcrum]

Me?

No

[ripe fulcrum]

About 7k to average 4th mark

And that’s to not drop down

Theoretically it’s maybe possible

But in practice it’s not possible

[magic thunder]

Well its like doing 1 more pen per game than for 3rd i am not going to say its easy but i bet if those 0.1% cracks would actually try and sweat like the rest of us need for a 3rd they would get it but they want the 4th to be as „easy“ as the 3rd for them

[young egret]

^^^^this guy has 9kwn8

Dosent have a problem 3 marking

[ripe fulcrum]

As someone in the .1% I’m telling you it’s not possible

Literally only one person has a gold marked Taran

And that person did it day 1

When the mark was like 5k at most

Nobody in this game is good enough to average 7k in the Taran

Not for over 300 games

Especially with this map rotation, avre’s and all that

[magic thunder]

Ok if u say so i cant tell otherwise i played mostly solo and have 6.2k combined so i thought it would be „easy „for better players to reach the 7k. I wont try the 4th because i would lose the last bit of sanity i have 😂

[young egret]

Sick

On what tank

6 2 gaming

[ripe fulcrum]

Taran

[ripe fulcrum]

I don’t think you realize how moe works

7k to not drop

So at minimum you need 7k

And it’s higher to go up in moe

[magic thunder]

? Why

[ripe fulcrum]

Because you are saying you only need “1 more shot to 4 mark”

When In reality that is not the case

[magic thunder]

6.2k+950= 7.1k if u do that o. Average u should be good or not

[hybrid lark]

What's the case then ?

[vital hamlet]

There’s like 10 people with 6.2k combine. Get real

[ripe fulcrum]

Go away

😐

[ripe fulcrum]

recents

😆

[ripe fulcrum]

Yeh because doing 7k every game is really easy

Get real dude

How many ppl average 7k in the Taran? Or in any tier 10?

[steep ocean]

Doing 7k every game at tier 10 is practically impossible. Only reason people are able to get 6k in the Taran is because of the anomaly that tank is. You might can rig it, though it would probably require too much effort than it is worth.

[ripe fulcrum]

You know it’s bad when the dude who rigged 100+ gold Moe’s against bots says it’s near impossible to do even like that

😐

[steep ocean]

You rigged 100 moes?

[ripe fulcrum]

No

Someone else did. Not saying names

🫠

[steep ocean]

dang thought you were outing yourself

[ripe fulcrum]

I’m not that dedicated sadly

[young egret]

[worn grove]

Gah damn riggers

[magic thunder]

thats what wotstars says 6,2k combined i give u that it will be tracking and spotting combined. but i see that some people are getting sensitive when talking about not getting moes like its the end of the world all i said is that i dont think its impossible and that it should not be easy even for the best players nothing more ,jesus. i wish u good night nevertheless

[ripe fulcrum]

So then how come none of the best players in the world have a 4 marked Taran then?

[steep ocean]

True^ only one noob does

[ripe fulcrum]

Yeh some random day 1 gamer cough Kellen cough

[glad horizon]

was it super man?

[steep ocean]

You are only looking at Recent values btw. Which is fine, but to put it into perspective there are people pushing 6k raw with the Taran.

[ripe fulcrum]

Not naming any names 🤷

[glad horizon]

nvm I found out who ut was

[brisk furnace]

Almost 300 "this"
Thats alot for this server..

Waiting for wg to say we demanded the opposite. And they listened.

[young egret]

Wg is not allowed to talk about this chat

Same with avre

[minor nymph]

They don’t need to talk about this chat. Just get one more pen per game, it’s actually quite easy when you think about it like that 🙂

Hope this helps 👍

Just do one more clip in your VZ. It takes less than 2 seconds to fire both shells!!!

[steep ocean]

Its good to see the community never giving up hope

[halcyon oak]

Maybe release 5th moe at this point 🙂 make it for people who held the 100% for 100 games

[sturdy acorn]

Boy just go and farm some bots

Those who have the golden mark (vz55, taran, cs63) is because they farm bots, it's that simple, they activate and deactivate the crossplay between their clanmates to match each other in the battles or moving to the other servers on their night time to fight bots

Well they said, theoretically it is possible but in practice and execution it is impossible.

And if one day someone is encouraged to make their progress for the gold mark on streaming and make it, I will totally shut up.

[dusky lantern]

can i have the link to the site please

[analog zinc]

I have alot of 90%standings

But cuz of this stupid change

I cant have 3 moe

But alot of people did get it like that back in the day

Thanks wg

[raven valley]

Stop complaining

JUsT gEt OnE mOrE pEn

[sturdy acorn]

^ or farm bots

[uneven axle]

How does everyone know only bot farmers have gold marks? I'm just curious, because that seems to get thrown around a lot.

[sturdy acorn]

Those who have gold marks in tanks that are currently almost impossible, and another clue, which in less than 200 or 150 battles already have the marks with gold

[glad horizon]

https://wotconsole.info/marks/

[halcyon oak]

In house eu at 3am YUP

[steep ocean]

Oh I know. The more people that do that, the less value marks have and thus the whole point of making MoEs more difficult is lost.

[analog zinc]

Also whats your opinion on the fact that so many people back in the time got lots of 3rd moe with 90%required 3rd

But now you have to climb 5 %more

Wg simply dont care about us

[steep ocean]

It doesnt matter. Marks have always been a casual thing. You didnt need to be the best player to get them. It just sucks that now, there is nothing to grind for. The reality of getting some of the hardest marks in the game is so unlikely for most, that people dont even strive for them anymore.

[analog zinc]

Moe are almost unachievable on any tanks

[ripe fulcrum]

Can confirm. My I was once upon a time the 10th in the LTG, and I didn’t get the 3 mark until around 370 battles

[ripe fulcrum]

It is getting really hard sadly. I am currently taking a break and considering permanent uninstall. The small things like free customs and such were amazing, but game balance is just gone.

Here it is if your interested

https://discord.com/channels/630895439520202783/1101845379504406611

[sullen shadow]

MOEs used to be a nice marker of your progress in the game, it felt like a real achievement, decent players could put in a bit of effort and 3 mark up to tier 8 or maybe 9 in their favourite tank, the really good players might have 3 marked tier 10s and so on. It 'felt' right and achievable. Now all that's out the window - the consistent damage needed for marks are now massively inflated across all tiers due to the top players trying for the 4th. I guess it might calm down eventually, but no signs so far. As a motivation to play the game and improve MOEs are now defunct for most.

[young egret]

Not a 3 mark btw

Only 6.1k raw

[worn grove]

Can a WG employee explain this?

[sturdy acorn]

But you have a bad game and the percentage goes down like never before, it's incredible that wg says that there is nothing wrong with the moes

[halcyon oak]

Just 1 more pen

[brisk furnace]

Simply get more

[twin veldt]

It is 3marked according to api results so all good here unles I did not get sth

[young egret]

Not 3 marked

[ripe fulcrum]

@young egret it is

According to api

[dawn gull]

Server says it is, and it was done in 96 games.

[young egret]

@ripe fulcrum thats fears tank not mine

@ripe fulcrum

my 268 is 3 marked

his isnt lol

hes better then mien

[ripe fulcrum]

Yea his is @young egret

That screenshot was from his

[young egret]

ahhhhh okokok

maybe hes talking about rn

[young egret]

moe revert when ?

[minor nymph]

I actually enjoy the challenge 💪💪💪💪💪💪

No change needed!!!

[worn grove]

Day 1 studios best game developers!

[sturdy acorn]

Moe rebert

[hybrid lark]

[halcyon oak]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-turn-smug-gif-21683818

[young egret]

True

[sturdy acorn]

Robert moe

[vital atlas]

@dawn gull Is this something yall have been looking at? if not could we at least be told

[vital hamlet]

It’s either been heavily implied or outright stated that it isn’t gonna be changed. WG doesn’t think that MOEs are a problem. Impossibly difficult MOEs aren’t a problem, they’re a feature in their eyes

[wind bear]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[noble night]

@wind bear jk man, I had like 26 tier Xs at 95% or 100% before I got banned for saying GG, imagine saying GG and get banned smh

[wind bear]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[glad horizon]

@wind bear if you wanna do 7k dmg

EVERY single game

to gold make the Taran

be my guess

actually 7k is to keep the mark from going down it doesn't bring it up 💀

realistically you need to do

8k dmg

every single game

and that requires

map sniping

rigging

eu bot lobbies

[wind bear]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[glad horizon]

you sound extremely intelligent

[halcyon oak]

I'm autistic and can't tell sarcasm. But if it ain't that hard wheres yours . I want to see 3 actually not even the gold

[worn grove]

[wind bear]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[halcyon oak]

Lmao

Bro cold War

Hahahhaha

Bro I could gold mark gold War tanks playing with 1 finger

[glad horizon]

interested

@fiery summit

[halcyon oak]

Bro there are tanks with less 100 players on some of these tanks

[glad horizon]

it's kinda like if you scroll up

the top players were talking about how impossible it is to 3 mark the Taran 💀💀💀

[halcyon oak]

Don't worry his friend can gold mark cold war tanks kekw

[glad horizon]

💀💀💀

[wind bear]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[steep ocean]

Chill dude @wind bear

[glad horizon]

OMG he can 3 mark cold war tanks

[wind bear]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[glad horizon]

it's not like most cold war players just farm bots in the eu server at 3am @halcyon oak

[steep ocean]

You can disagree, but I recommend checking yourself first.

[glad horizon]

sadly I don't know his gamertag

[glad horizon]

nah it's alright Kellen let him keep it up

he is digging his own grave

[halcyon oak]

He thinks 279e is the most broken tanks in ww2

Hahahhahahsh

[wind bear]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[glad horizon]

LMAO

[glad horizon]

so why are you talking about marks????

bros typing a wall of text

[wind bear]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[glad horizon]

@ripe fulcrum your garbage then

no gold mark Taran or cs ur trash

and vz

[halcyon oak]

Yea sure . Make a yt video how we are wrong please

[wind bear]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[halcyon oak]

Ad block no ad revenue

Unlucko

[glad horizon]

interesting

[steep ocean]

[glad horizon]

HMMM

interesting

really interesting

[halcyon oak]

No everyone just bad YEP .

[glad horizon]

uhuh

keep going

[halcyon oak]

Keep cooking bro

[wind bear]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[glad horizon]

no embed perms 💀

[steep ocean]

Im confused about what is being argued at this point

[glad horizon]

I don't really care

bros getting yeeted anyways

[wind bear]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[halcyon oak]

@wind bear your friend is nr1 in thumper . Ask him to gold mark taran . He surely good enough

Clueless

[steep ocean]

I mean when the best players are complaining about it, there is definitely a problem. Idk what this has to do with "skill issues"

[wind bear]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[halcyon oak]

Lmao yea because I need to go down

[steep ocean]

No shot

[glad horizon]

bro plays cold war

enough said

[steep ocean]

Its actually crazy to trash talk one of the best players in the game though lmao

[glad horizon]

@steep ocean let him dream on

his cold war friend will definitely come out to 3 mark the Taran vz55 and cs

and instantly get molly whopped by @worn grove in a t92 💀💀

[young egret]

@wind bear u a gamer huh

magna has never seen snow

intresting

[halcyon oak]

Neither

Sand peposad

[glad horizon]

MANGA no you can't say that

[halcyon oak]

Oh well

[steep ocean]

This guys only comebacks are insults. Never willing to accept other perspectives.

[young egret]

ture

[glad horizon]

@fiery summit hi

[young egret]

what do you expect with someone that has 420 battles in super pershing

[glad horizon]

bro how DID you even look him up

on yt

[steep ocean]

Anyway...

[young egret]

just copy paste

its not hard tbh

[glad horizon]

oh he's the goober who was asking for skill based matchmaking 💀

[young egret]

sbmm always is a good thing in games

the player base never complains about it

[glad horizon]

yeah just look at cod

[ripe fulcrum]

Did bro just say to look at his good friend who is a Cold War main with an impressive wn8 of 2.3 at tier 10?

[glad horizon]

yep

bro has worse stats than me

which actually isn't hard to do

need to hit 3.4k wn8 again ngl

[young egret]

@ripe fulcrum better then u ngl

[minor nymph]

Ummmm stat shaming is against the rules 😡😡😡😡

[halcyon oak]

Stat praising too 😡

[glad horizon]

bro was talking mad goofy about skill

doesn't have a single tier ten 3 marked

yet alone 2 marked

[young egret]

and do you

@glad horizon

show is7 3 mark please

[glad horizon]

BET BRO

[glad horizon]

at least I have tier tens two marked 💀💀💀

and at least one 3 mark ww2 tank speaking of which

what teir 8 should I 3 mark next?

[young egret]

the grass outside

[ripe fulcrum]

That’s hard for him

[glad horizon]

I go say hi to my grass everyday ILL have you know

[ripe fulcrum]

Even 3 marking outside his room is hard

Tbh thinking about it that way, makes sense why marks are so hard in game as well

😂

[fiery summit]

Interesting convo

[glad horizon]

reported for bullying @ripe fulcrum

[fiery summit]

💀

[sturdy acorn]

A lot of ego here that everyone is forgetting the purpose of this feedback

Revert moe

[fiery summit]

Nah marks just fine git gud

😃

[sturdy acorn]

💀

[young sorrel]

This made me laugh a little. Thank you for making my morning better😂😂. The guy you are using for your agreement has 1 single ww2 mark,, and not a single 2 mark

[young sorrel]

This

73/65 battles to gold mark from stock with no equipment as a new account 😂

[young sorrel]

It's more difficult to mark loltracktor than taran

[glad horizon]

this you?

[young sorrel]

Ya

[wooden lintel]

This is some great entertainment

[glad horizon]

ah carry on then

[young egret]

Gold marking ms1 pogu

[glad horizon]

💀💀💀💀💀

[coarse dawn]

But when people who are top5 in said tanks struggle then there's a problem

Marks succ

That is all

[sturdy acorn]

Robert moes

[fiery summit]

@sturdy acorn that's a cool dude

😃

[wooden lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-hello-darkness-kermit-my-old-friend-drm-gif-9482307

[young egret]

wontletthis die

Biggest thread ever

Wg juat pretends it dosent exist

[glad horizon]

yep

[twilit pike]

It’s ok it’s out one ear and another

[analog zinc]

They dont even read it

[worn grove]

Doubt they realize how good an individual can get. Do they even realize what the meta is. Do they even know what a meta is?

[analog zinc]

Meta is money

And they sure know it

[worn grove]

@steep ocean you have 4 mark Cs?

[steep ocean]

No lol

[worn grove]

Wtf. I just saw CS leaderboard.

Nice one WG 👍🏼

They gotta make assist count as half and not equal to direct damage. Assist riggers 🤮

[steep ocean]

I think that would be a good change, but its not the reason marks are so high imo. For lights, sure.

[vital hamlet]

It wouldn’t help all that much. WG’s philosophy on marks needs to change. Nobody is gonna gold mark the CS or VZ or Taran with how the calculation works when the average player in them is a super uni

[near parcel]

It is totally stupid that an INDIVIDUAL award like a gunmark can be achieved or rigged in a PLATOON. By now it is so common that it is not even seen as cheating. It should stopped a long time ago.

[vital hamlet]

You’d need several platoons queuing at the same time during bot hours. Platoon mates on both teams box in bots so they don’t damage other bots and there’s a full hp pool to farm

[raven valley]

woooahhhh

my cs score was legit

[raven valley]

pro strat, thanks for the idea

[vital hamlet]

There’s an “easier” way that’s just to have every uni and super uni not play tier X for 2 weeks and the MOEs will drop to reasonable levels. Never gonna happen though

[raven valley]

true true

[vital hamlet]

If I can imagine a world where we’re able to get enough people to do it in the first place, I’ll also imagine it where nobody jumps the gun

[steep ocean]

We need a mark rigging discord server I guess

[hexed dew]

I’ve rigged so many marks and helped so many people rig their marks it’s unbelievable. Marks don’t even mean anything anymore

Don’t know why anyone would care about marks when they’re all fake

[jaunty dragon]

Cw marks don't mean much but they still mean quite a bit in ww2

[coarse dawn]

It's something to do, atleast for me

At least it is when you do it properly

[sturdy acorn]

Robert moes please

[raven valley]

Yes

Robert

[uneven axle]

Does this have a chance of happening? Has WG acknowledged this issue in any way?

[vital hamlet]

WG has acknowledged it and said that the current difficulty is both fine and intentional

[uneven axle]

Thanks. So it is just like the AVRE and the current state of arty. /everything's fine fire gif

[worn grove]

Is literally impossible to 4 mark a hand full of tanks part of the difficulty?

[vital hamlet]

That’s what WG said yeah. They said that there have been tanks impossible to mark before (same with PC on the Clan Wars reward tanks since they have the same system)

[steep ocean]

PC tanks arent impossible to mark though

[jaunty dragon]

What tanks were impossible to mark before the moe update?

[fiery summit]

Even now most tanks are stupid af

5.7k in 121b for 3?🤣

Foch 155 lol gtfo

Also gold marks are off by about 1k damage

[halcyon oak]

https://www.tomato.gg/moe

Values are like 99.99% accurate

[vital hamlet]

Some have been at some points, but they stopped being impossible over time as more players got the tanks. That’s exactly what WGCB doesn’t get, it won’t get better. It’s gotten worse, they split the playerbase and made MOEs absolutely ridiculous

[vital hamlet]

The AMX Chaffee was impossible for a month after it released. The tvp was probably not 4 markable on release (we wouldn’t know, i don’t think anyone tried)

[steep ocean]

Fair I suppose. I can at least understand that case because it is such a small subset of experienced players. Thats kind of the same idea as tanks like french wolverine on console. The problem here is there are many tech tree tier 10s that are impossible. But you are correct, WG doesnt get that.

[ripe fulcrum]

It is very painful. I remember when the LTG 1800-1900 damage for 3 mark and now it’s 2500

And 140k battles in the AVRE

[ripe fulcrum]

It was 2400 before that update

Yes

Very dumb

I got the 3 mark at 2300 something after 6.0

I want to gold mark it but uhhh, no

[heavy flame]

those stats needed for mark on wotconsole.info/marks, is it only dmg or dmg+assist?

[raven valley]

Both

But they are are around 10%-20% lower then the actual requirements

[dawn gull]

MoE difficulties were known as being too easy in 6.0 - not at the 65/85/95 breakpoints that they were supposed to be

[glad horizon]

no they weren't

it's just impossible

[hybrid lark]

If marking tier X in 50-60 games wasn't easy enough, then I don't think you know how you want the MoE progression to work exactly

[glad horizon]

no no do tell me I'd like to learn something new today 🙂 😀(this is not sarcasm btw I would actually like to learn more)

[hybrid lark]

It means that you don't know how MoE worked before the change, but you still want it reverted ?

[glad horizon]

how did it work before the change?

[hybrid lark]

You can read about it in #892485326285709383 , there is no need for a long message from my side if it was already explained

I don't have to

It would be just nice to know what people actually want except "revert"

[glad horizon]

ahhh

[analog zinc]

Like wargaming made this issue them selves if they never had made changes to moe

Nobody would say anything

Nobody would even say its too easy

Now its a mess

[analog zinc]

Why should we punish good players?

Moe was too easy for good players

As it should have being

Now its unaccessible

I dont agree

I make an example e100

Whats its requirements

What ever it is its definitely something it cant realistically do

[dawn gull]

Yet, the values are generated based upon actual player match results...

[raven valley]

woahh shots fired

its just one more pen

remember

[vital hamlet]

Yeah I think a lot of people have some skewed perception of equating their old 3 marks with 4 marks. That being said, only person I know who regularly 100%ed stuff pre 6.0 and gold marked it after (dezertstorm) claims it’s harder now

[vital hamlet]

It was one more pen when they changed it. Now it’s like 2-3 more pens

Difficultly. Took him longer to do

Obv more damage. Everything is more damage. “Good” dpg used to be like 4k, now it’s 5k

[worn grove]

Who has 4 mark CS63?

[vital hamlet]

It’s pointless. He thinks that it’s not an issue that nobody can 4 mark the CS. He claims it’s a feature of the system, not an issue

[analog zinc]

Yeah right

Just the matter of a good game in a good map for tank being penalized

[vital hamlet]

That’s simply not at all how it works

[raven valley]

Copium

Which t10 tanks haven’t got gold yet? @dawn gull

[tepid stump]

Probably the CS and the VZ. Taran would likely be the same if Kellen didn’t have it, but it’s also the only gold marked one lol

[worn grove]

Working as intended

[fierce harbor]

I'm happy this thread hasn't died, despite WoT kinda dying

[sturdy acorn]

Robert pattinson moe

[worn grove]

Atleast fix cs,vz etc marks so that atleast the best player(s) in the tanks can get the 4th mark

[stuck copper]

Am I the only that thinks the gold marks look ugly

[candid wolf]

Nope. They’re harder to see which makes no sense at all. The French and British are the only ones that look halfway decent

[stuck copper]

Well if I ever become good enough two 4 mark a tank I’m gonna purposely tank my stats to avoid it

To*

[analog thicket]

I have a couple and I regretted them...

[versed laurel]

Bro how long has this been going 💀

[ripe fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/later-spongebob-time-after-a-long-time-gif-16251057

K

[wooden lintel]

Thank you for keeping me entertained, keep it up

[wooden lintel]

@dawn gull Your logic is flawed with the MoE system and you do realise this however you haven’t done anything about it even after so many complaints from the top players who are actually achieving these things. You have made many players leave this game with your blissful ignorance towards the solution as marking tanks was there “end game content” Just remember in your current iteration of the MoE system some gold marks are unachievable which would grant your system ineffective and poorly optimised.

[versed laurel]

Since ur the OP and I don't feel like scrolling through hundreds of messages. What was this even originally about

[autumn smelt]

FYI "Just a friendly reminder that MOE changes were made without asking the player base first.

We need a clear open vote that the player base can see in real time.

For example we had a vote on the discord to see what players wanted, it ended being over 1000 people voting for MOEs to be reverted and only around 100 or so wanting to keep the change however wargaming said it was bots voting and then they decided to make a private email survey to players (barely any people check or received the email) they asked the wrong kind of questions to the players in the survey, it could of been more insightful with the questions for sure. A few days later they said that the players didn’t want the changes reverted and that they’re keeping the changes further conversation about this went no where.

Now because of the changes we have a massive problem with players rigging battles for gold marks and farming the bots in the middle of the night which inflates the MOE through the roof making it impossible for anyone to achieve gold marks on certain tanks.

A healthy survey that reflects the opinions of player base on MOE changes would do no harm.

Peace. " .... It would seem to be a limitation of Discord to view long discussions readily. 316 thumbs up, 3 down. Based on that it appears a lot of players agreed with the original post as of July 2023.

[vital hamlet]

The email survey had 10k responses to discord’s 1k responses. Regardless of the flaws in the questions, it’s clear that it was a much better sample than the limited (and generally higher skilled) players on discord

[analog thicket]

So basically on discord vote the players who are mostly affected by it could vote while the email one is random and most likely 95% of them doesn't even know about marks correct?

[vital hamlet]

For the record, I think that MOEs should be changed from what they are now. The discord poll just has such a response bias (and potential alt account issue) that it’s obvious the results should be generally thrown out

[analog thicket]

Yeah but if you consider it that ppl are willing to make alt accounts to rig a vote than the issue is real

[candid wolf]

When asking about the impacts the MOE system has on the game would you rather engage with the population that has/can get 3rd/4th MOE's or ask every single player, the overwhelming majority of whom can't get a second or third MOE let alone a 4th mark?

[dawn gull]

As a general rule, I do not consider skill levels relevant when players offer opinions on a game system.

A player who is proud and happy to have 1 marked or 2 marked their favorite tank has an opinion that is just as valid as someone who has 3 marked and 4 marked every single Tier X in the game.

[candid wolf]

Sure you'd believe that if your goal is to manipulate a survey to support your changes. The fact is that the changes ultimately only impact a small cross section of players and their opinions are being ignored.

"Whats Porsche ownership like?" sent to everyone who has ever driven a car.

[dawn gull]

The "change" here being discussed is the fact that the map deltas were calculated using 5.0 game results ... and 6.0 changed the game considerably, so we recalculated them.

[vital hamlet]

1 and 2 marks are valid goals for players and are impacted just as much as players who hunt for 3 and 4 marks

[candid wolf]

I don't know where I didn't say it wasn't a valid goal. But even by definition those players are better than the majority of people in those tanks.

so again, asking a large group of people for insights on something they don't/can't achieve

[vital hamlet]

The insight was on MOE difficulty. Not 3/4 mark difficulty. And there are a lot more players with 1-2 marks than 3/4

[candid wolf]

neither of you is actually understanding what I, nor the majority of people in this thread are saying. Your dedication to defending the system is exhausting

[vital hamlet]

I think the current MOE system is outdated and needs to be changed, I just think y’all are dumb for how you’re going about arguing it

[candid wolf]

lol I'll just wait for Nate, who doesn't even play anymore, to tell us all how best to argue for this

we' re all dumb, only he's enlightended

[vital hamlet]

I argued this for like 6 months after it happened. It’s pointless to begin with (literally every solution has been suggested and rejected) and borderline insulting the person with significant sway on the issue definitely isn’t going to help matters

Part of why I stopped playing was bc of the MOEs in the first place

[candid wolf]

i could care less how the staff of this game that i've loved for years, and still play regularly, get in their feels.

they can ban me from their forums, I don't care

it would be in keeping with how they handle dissent. Soon these posts, like the questions in their stream, will have to be preapproved by the central committe

[vital hamlet]

That would actually help the issue. Good players would get their marks for comp and never play the tank again, which would lower the requirements

[uneven axle]

That would be rude. Once I get there, I stop playing like a sweat, get rid of the prem consumables and food, cut down on the prammo, and just play on the cheap.

[candid wolf]

I don't see how this would help

once I've marked a tank I don't play it nearly as much... maybe I'm missing something

[uneven axle]

Probably a little different for me. I just do my favorites, because my general skill level is definitely not adequate to mark the majority of the tanks out there.

[candid wolf]

i've only ever marked tanks when I play solo, never tried to mark when platooned, just doesn't work for me. I also don't have that many marks. But generally playing to mark and playing for fun are very different focuses for me.

[candid wolf]

when i'm just 'toonin I'll play whatever seems interesting, or my favorites like you

[dawn gull]

Your dedication to defending the system is exhausting

To be clear, one of my principal concerns here is to make sure that the system is what it says on the tin - what that means in context is that if the 4th mark is supposed exceeding 100% of valid results. Not 98%, not 95%, etc, etc.

I don't think I've ever said that the current system is perfect and that I wouldn't want to make changes to it. I've, in fact, proposed several different changes, at least two which made it to the community and where, roundly rejected.

[fiery summit]

@candid wolf just did my mk6

100 battles

Like top 5 recents and top 5 all time pretty much

92%

🤡

[candid wolf]

its fine

[fiery summit]

Sure is

😃

[spiral basalt]

Lol

[fiery summit]

So your saying someone with 1 mark and says it was hard to obtain is the same as someone who had gotten 3 marks and said it was hard

[spiral basalt]

Just get full penned by arty for 1400

So fun trying to 4 mark something where you need to play perfectly against arty

KekW

[fiery summit]

@spiral basalt your fault you played the game

😃

[spiral basalt]

My fault I tried to punish someone who made a horrible play

[fiery summit]

Huh

[spiral basalt]

He’s on another account

[fiery summit]

No I finished the mk6 with 5.7k and 100 battles

[young egret]

What did i just read

[fiery summit]

From my understanding marks are based on average over last 100 battles in past 2 weeks?

[spiral basalt]

Yes

[young egret]

Her da der

[spiral basalt]

anyone have tips on how I can win more games?

[candid wolf]

where can we find information like this?

i'm actually asking. Where on the WoTC website do they go over MOE's?

[uneven axle]

Find everyone that mains arty and gently break their fingers?

[wooden lintel]

Your ideas weren’t viable unfortunately, it should be exhausting when you’re defending a change nobody ever wanted and your logic of the percentages reflecting the correct values for top player is completely incorrect and I can show you many examples.

[candid wolf]

why isn't this published on their website?

[fiery summit]

@still walrus by most recent what exactly does that mean

[candid wolf]

also where can I find accurate damage needed for actual mark requirements? Where does WG publish that info?

[fiery summit]

So if a had a 6k sesh yesterday that doesn't matter

[candid wolf]

I can look in my profile in the game and it will give me my direct damage average. Why doesn't it show me my combined average that's used to calculate MOE?

where do they publish this weighting?

sure, but where do they describe all this?

[spiral basalt]

@fiery summit lol 1 game where I do 1700 I go from 95.4 to 94.7

Whole session wasted

[wooden lintel]

Yes it’s very fun isn’t it

I am at 92% by the way, terrible system that isn’t effective

[fiery summit]

@wooden lintel only first place

?

Why not transcend humanity

[spiral basalt]

Yep

[candid wolf]

So he agreed its harder, but they're not gonna do anything to change it. Noted

[wooden lintel]

Exactly I should transcend into invulnerability and play dragon ridge 24/7

[candid wolf]

i'm still curious why we have to wade through endless threads in Discord to find this information when they could simply publish an article that explains this, and provides accurate status to players. why the mystery around all this?

[raven valley]

Because only a tiny part of the population actually care. Wg won’t waste time doing something only 1% of the player base asked for.

[tepid stump]

Didn’t they have a poll on one stream about how many people felt a MOE change was needed and it was like 40%?

No not ON the stream, but they showed the results on the stream. It was part of some poll sent out.

[fiery summit]

@candid wolf like you said if we had a complete accurate description on how marks worked and actual mark requirements this would be really nice to have

[candid wolf]

... i know what EMA is... that isn't what I was asking

[dawn gull]

The context of the discussion was on which players are allowed to have opinions in changing the MoE system.

And I took the time to write up something and pin it in that channel so that people could have an easier time to find things...

[wooden lintel]

I’m glad this post is still alive so any new players or returning old ones know that the feedback section is just trivial and no changes no matter the support will change anything

Just look at AVRE change being labelled as underperforming absolute joke, shows who’s looking at graphs and who is playing the game

[jaunty dragon]

Clearly you just weren't playing arty safe lol

[versed laurel]

I will not let this die

[raven valley]

It’s dead

[worn grove]

Did they fix moe yet?

[raven valley]

bUt iTs NoT bRoKeN

[worn grove]

Very Trueska!

[fiery summit]

@raven valley BuT are YoU nUmBeR 1 In ThAt TaNk

😃

[raven valley]

More like number 0

Number 1 don’t even get 3

💀

[fiery summit]

🤣

[versed laurel]

Damn

[versed laurel]

Bring back the compensation mechanic or smth

[coarse dawn]

Yet you're missing the entire point of video games, which is to have fun, making marks so ridiculously tedious that they aren't fun in any way is just a bad way of implementing them, the inherent flaws in your system as well also doesn't help

With the atrocious balance of this game one mistake and you're dead, even if you don't make a mistake a trash map or a guy yoloing you and you lose 5+ games progress

All this necessitated bot farming which just exacerbates the issue

[fiery summit]

@coarse dawn but than the argument of "well only like 5% of people 3 mark or gold mark tanks so your opinion means nothing" comes into play

Remember somebody who has 1 mark opinion matters just as much as someone who has 4 marks when it comes to mark difficulty 😃😃😃

[coarse dawn]

So their solution is instead of punishing "Bad" players they are going to do the opposite and punish good players

Not that it would be punishing "Bad" players anyway as they probably couldn't care less

[fiery summit]

Pretty much

Remember it's just 1 more pen

[coarse dawn]

I remember it used to take around 10 pens to get 3 marks back in the day

Now it takes like 20

And yes, number of shots isn't accurate, but it is a rough idea

[fiery summit]

Yep god hope you don't miss 1 pen

10 games of progress ruined by 1 game

[coarse dawn]

I'm gonna need it

[fiery summit]

Half the time you fight yourself for marks

[coarse dawn]

Or the plebs that bot farm

[fiery summit]

Yep

[sturdy acorn]

Revert moes please uncle wg

[wooden lintel]

I have spoken privately with a few Wg “associates” and they have tried to push for the change themselves however these people have no say in any change unfortunately

[fiery summit]

@wooden lintel rip

Good try atleast

[coarse dawn]

Memes

[plucky crow]

Let’s be realistic. Console won’t ever be able to have good MOE requirements based on their own data.
Just copy EU servers MOE data and call it a day.
Yeah it’s not going to be accurate but it’s a hell of a lot better than our current system.

[astral bough]

True

We can anyways let this live so mabey one day our dream comes true

[mental bronze]

Yeah, come on revert it I liked getting my 4mark in one battle lol

[sturdy acorn]

As long as I still alive, this thread will also be

Revert moes

[worn grove]

Just 1 more pen

[versed laurel]

a

[raven valley]

rebert

[sturdy acorn]

Robert Pattinson moes

Please uncle wg

[worn grove]

nvm just delete all the game files

End it.

[ebon yarrow]

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[sturdy acorn]

Revert my life

Committed so many mistakes

Sorry Carmen

Miss u

[versed laurel]

bro is having a mental breakdown in a WOT discord chat

[ebon yarrow]

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[wooden lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/wth-wtf-is-going-on-really-are-you-kidding-me-mr-bean-gif-16035353

[versed laurel]

a

[young egret]

I havent been in here for a while

But im happy its still going strong

The longest lasting thread

Maybe someday they will revert sadge

[worn grove]

KozaGG thumbs down

[raven valley]

Gg

[fiery summit]

Gg

[ebon yarrow]

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[ebon yarrow]

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[ripe fulcrum]

Especially when you get extra punished for when you team fast caps or dies in 4 minutes and you get bonus punished for it unlike when Moes weren’t scuffed

[sturdy acorn]

.

[versed laurel]

marks of excellence or something idk

[ebon yarrow]

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[versed laurel]

booga

[analog thicket]

agoob

[worn grove]

👎

[frail cargo]

👍

[autumn smelt]

So 369 agree, 4 don't know and 3 don't agree, correct?

[raven valley]

Well the 3 that don’t agree are wg devs so that’s all that matters

[worn grove]

Gg

[raven valley]

Wp

[sturdy acorn]

I love spaghetti

[versed laurel]

Fettuccine Alfredo solos

[ebon yarrow]

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[frail cargo]

Make this game fun again! Revert MoE!

[versed laurel]

no, no it isn't

[frail cargo]

We need to spread more new players to support revert moe

[worn grove]

Classic mode with og physics micro juking with 0 traverse delay was cracked

[ebon yarrow]

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[ebon yarrow]

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[worn grove]

Any gold mark cs gamers in chat

[astral bough]

Any recent 3 moe cs gamer in chat ?

[chrome yacht]

WG still doesnt care right? 🙄

[raven valley]

Correct

[worn grove]

Too busy making cracked tanks

[ebon yarrow]

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[vital atlas]

This post is almost 1 year old and yet no change in the game.

Think about all that lost revenue for the game over the last year. If only the MOE system was fixed and many players had a reason to play the game.

[raven valley]

It was obvious it wasn’t getting changed after a week

They are happy selling better and better premiums every 2 weeks

[worn grove]

Can't wait for the next broken high-alpha/HE based tank. 🙂 ❤️

[raven valley]

Should be coming next month 🙂

[worn grove]

gee wilickers thank heavens! They also haven't released something OP in a grand total of 2 days! We sure are long over due! 🤠

[ebon yarrow]

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[lament loom]

Wargaming when asked to make game better

Decides to release 1400 alpha derp tank

[brittle tapir]

The current console version of 'World of Tanks' are noticeably lacking in new content and features. It would be greatly beneficial if the richer, more updated PC version were ported to these platforms. Such a move could significantly enhance the game's appeal and provide a more engaging experience for players on console platforms.

[worn grove]

Nice moe talk.

[covert hinge]

Skill issue fellas

[ebon yarrow]

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[raven valley]

A?

More like exclusively

[ebon yarrow]

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[tepid stump]

Did you do 5k but the requirements are 6k? Minus 0.5% percent

[worn grove]

Does any developer have a tier 10 4 marked?

[raven valley]

thats funny

[covert hinge]

Do I?

[fiery summit]

@worn grove

Nice joke

[ebon yarrow]

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[barren trail]

1*

[young egret]

This poles still alive huh

"Takes long draw from cigarette"

I remember when i thought they would listen

2 years ago

[worn grove]

That’s funny

[lament loom]

I don’t think wargaming know how to make their game better

[fiery summit]

@young egret we still here

[ebon yarrow]

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[young egret]

Me too

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[main rivet]

Best content here

[ebon yarrow]

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[lament loom]

Wg try not to ignore valuable feedback challenge (impossible)

[misty saddle]

Revert MOE

[worn grove]

Good thing the devs tested the practicality of the system by getting tier 10 4th marks themselves. 🙂

[lament loom]

I heard the devs were gatekeeping the legendary 4marked type 5 all for themselves

[ebon field]

It's not practical for most people because you have to be better than almost everyone

[vital hamlet]

WG explicitly said that some tanks being impossible to 4 mark is a feature of the MOE system not a bug. Super dumb take and maybe even worse than not understanding the implications

[worn grove]

That explains why even the best performing player(s) in some specific tanks(s) don’t have it gold marked, thanks!

[ebon field]

Sounds like a skill issue

[fiery summit]

@worn grove

[fiery summit]

😭😭

[lament loom]

https://tenor.com/view/backtoyourlovin-monkey-backtomylovin-jumping-gif-23754821

[young egret]

Day 900 moe still not back

[restive plinth]

Most tanks moe makes sense. But some it’s strange. Like the tier 6 elc. I am not the best player by any means but after a couple hundred games and 2900+ avg combined to never get past 88% on the mark makes me wonder. How? It’s the most extreme case I have seen but it begs the question of how marks are calculated now by percentages.

[sturdy acorn]

Revert the f u ck in. Gggg moes

[jaunty dragon]

The tier 6 amx has a 3300 requirement for 3 marks

[restive plinth]

Given that 1 single person has over that for their combined average is why I question that mark.

[neat storm]

Ok I have to ask. I was taking a break at the time of moe changes and idk what they changed. There to many messages in here now to find the answer and I've been wondering for months what they did to moe. So what did they change?

[ebon yarrow]

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[vital hamlet]

Simple answer, nothing really changed.

Complex answer, 6.0, they added a 4th mark, added CW, released a bunch of premium tier Xs, and people realized that the existing MOE system is dumb and doesn’t work well with low populations and WG refuses to address it.

Even simpler answer, MOE damage requirements went up to ridiculous levels, people got mad

[mint wigeon]

Yeah, it kinda seems random

[wise pendant]

And an extra thing, bot farming on EU server

People around takes advantage of moments where are fewer or just no players around, to make matches against bots and boosts moe by not facing real players

This counts towards MOE requirements as well, so this contributes for crazy moe values

A little exploit that WG will not address

https://tomato.gg/moe?sort=100&direction=true&tiers=00000000001

https://wotconsole.info/marks/

Its funny how those are very different, and tier x on PC seems like tier IX on console lol

[vital hamlet]

It doesn't actually make MOEs more difficult just due to the way it's calculated. People started farming bots bc MOEs were so hard, farming bots didn't cause ridiculous MOEs

[wise pendant]

I mean, I'm not saying that this was the cause, but yet this affects the values as well

[vital hamlet]

It doesn't affect values pretty much at all

[wise pendant]

Hmm, why so? Is bcs that there is few players doing that, or the formula got shenanigans on it?

[vital hamlet]

The calculation uses a single battle for each MOE point. It throws out a certain % of the top single battle scores. Not enough people care to farm bots to add a significant number of battles so the MOE target doesnt get affected

[wise pendant]

Hold up, a single match? So if you end up in a bad game after 10 battles of required or more then average damage, you loss all the progress?

[vital hamlet]

No the target value. Your personal average is a fairly simple EMA across every battle you've played in the tank

This is why WG doesn't listen bc 90% of people in this thread complain but don't make any sense bc they have no idea what they're talking about (bc WG never explained it in the first place until a year ago). There's nothing to revert except to take the player population back to 2017

[wise pendant]

I though that the moe system counted the last 100 battles that you had with a tank against the average that all the players did with that tank

But I wonder still, why the wot PC values for MOE are smaller then the console ones?

[vital hamlet]

Everything about this statement is wrong lol. Every battle you've played counts (the longer ago the battle was, the less it counts. If you have 300 battles, your most recent battle likely counts as much as your first 200 battles combined). The 100% MOE target value is just the 100th (made up number) best game in that tank in the last two weeks, no averaging is done

[vital hamlet]

That's easy, 6.0 made everything so good. Our commander skills are nuts and it's easier than ever to dominate. DPG values for top players have spiked like crazy since 6.0

[wise pendant]

Hmm, got it I think

[wise pendant]

Nowadays shooting while moving not makes your aim too much bigger

And DPM is over 4k for a lot of tanks

So yeah, its right

But wait, if this applies for everyone, how those 6.0 changes would spike the damage like that, considering that everybody benefits from it?

[vital hamlet]

Good players benefit more. If you're only shooting 3 times a game, more dpm doesn't help much

[wise pendant]

Well, yeah, and good part of the player base pens 1 or 2 times per game anyways

[ebon yarrow]

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[wise pendant]

Seems like moe became an endless grind that punish you hard when it wants (or bcs maps/teams/RNG/your patience running out)

[vital hamlet]

Yeah but that's not new

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[worn grove]

Why did they not remove auto lock (rb) with the introduction of 6.0 accuracy btw

[fiery summit]

Because ape

Can't aim while aping

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[mint wigeon]

Do mark requirements update daily?

[wise pendant]

I feel that marks nowadays are just endless grinds that makes us suffer

I only did some in tier x, for say that I reached to, but otherwise, I only do until 2 marks and thats it

[wise pendant]

I think not, maybe weekly or monthly

[vital hamlet]

It updates when the server restarts so typically a tuesday friday type of thing

[mint wigeon]

Ah did not think of Friday as a server restart day. Was wondering since a mark lost a few percent Friday-Monday and I only ever noticed that on Tuesdays lol

[hot shuttle]

The thing with combined average is, that Moe only counts the highest assists; i.e. you have 100 tracking +120 spotting.
Only 120 will count towards Moe

So if there's only one person has higher combined, its super strange

[gloomy cape]

I have quite strong opinions about players rigging, feeding or farming bots. And about half of that top 10% are just farmers and not warriors. But that said, shouldnt the 3 mark on a tank be out of reach for the average joe and totally unabtainable.

[restive plinth]

I doubt any player has 3moe on the tier 6 elc. Not just the “average joe”. But considering it is a “rareish” tank. The top player being the only one over the 3moe threshold for combined average. And I have never been over 89% with 2950avg (I think I’m like 5 or 6 in it or something). I question the “95% rule” on it. Marks system just doesn’t work unless a lot of people play a tank. If a tank only has a few thousand battles over the last 30 days the mark system breaks.

[ebon yarrow]

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[obsidian nebula]

I mean every tank should be possible but it's not with these awful MOE changes hell not even a Type 5 Heavy is gold marked by anyone

[worldly reef]

How do people botfarm MOE? Playing in the middle of the night?

[obsidian nebula]

Sometimes if you play at certain times of the day you will get more bots then normal

[vital hamlet]

But that’s not new. It’s just way more common now that WG split the playerbase and shunted new players to CW

[mint wigeon]

Yes, or for people in America just evening on EU lol

[wise pendant]

This also for E 25 lol

I tried to 3 mark E 25, was only possible with prokhorovka type maps, where I spot for 3k damage

Tier 10 average for a tier 7 tank, if I get Dragon Ridge/himmelsdorf, run is dead

I would really like something for moes thats like challenges to meet with a tank, that gives you those marks, without suffering of the Godamn grind

Example, do 10k spot damage on a light, so you can get the 3rd mark

Or, idk, 12k combined damage on a med

For heavies, good part of them could have challenges related to blocked damage

[restive plinth]

E25 is way easier to 3 mark. It’s attainable as the elc tier 6 is not

E25 I hover at 96-97%. Now I don’t think I can 4 mark it though. I’m not good enough for that one

[worldly reef]

what website or app is that?

[iron flame]

https://wotconsole.info/marks/

[opal pelican]

I’m unfortunately one of the players to farm

[covert hinge]

🤖🧑‍🌾

[restive plinth]

wotconsole.info

Not accurate on wn8 but accurate on Marks

[hot shuttle]

If it's accurate on moe, it's accurate on wn8 🙂
Although wn8 is not provided by WG and every website use a different formula.
For example wotinfo is really bugged for consoles

[restive plinth]

The most accurate wn8 I’ve found is wotstars.com. Granted at the end of the day what matters is combined damage. Wn8 can be farmed too easy and it depends way too much on what tank and tier you use. So per tank is possibly relevant but the overall means essentially nothing due to being able to just farm it up easily.

[wise pendant]

Thing is that not every battle you can make those 8k combined damage to go for it, and as for the recent requirements, I though that it was 3.5k damage lol

[wise pendant]

WN8 measures a thing that can be easily rigged

You can roll 73k WN8 with an A 20 if you want

[restive plinth]

Wn8 is a joke. But combined damage is what really matters. Granted every tank but one I feel is possible to 3 mark given enough games and a bit of luck for a string of 5-10 games.

[sturdy acorn]

Revert moes

[safe hearth]

I think if they reverted the MOE calculations it would an improvement.

Currently too many players resort to bot farming in off hours to meet the requirements. This only pushes the requirements even higher, artificially. Which results in even more bot farming and higher artificial requirements.

Going back to the previous calculations would likely result in not as many players resorting to playing off hours on servers to get damage against bots.

[near parcel]

Whether you like it or not, the most efficient and simplest solution to fix it:

• If you are in the platoon -> this round does not count for MOE
• If in the red team is at least one bot -> this round does not count for MOE
  It will takes longer to get your MOE but is much more honourable and to the great surprise the results suddenly become more realistic and comprehensible. I wonder why WG decided otherwise...

[ripe fulcrum]

@near parcel this is best idea that needs to be implemented. When I used to see 3 stars on a barrel a few years ago, I'd be impressed. Nowadays I just think botfarmer 🤣

[autumn smelt]

In 2023/24 the game and therefore all the bits are what they are. Before Downgrade 6.0 owning a Mercenary TT tank ment something because CW didn't exist, it had to done soley in WWII mode. No more. MOE's had to be earnt playing humans, now (some not all) by playing humans and Bots (with Human names). Unless more humans join this won't change. If Bots don't count just by being in a game depending on your Time Zone and time you can play you could never get a Mark. Bots are here to stay. Platoons have always been 'used' to get MOE's this is un-changed.

[ripe fulcrum]

Yeah platoons should count but not bots, if you only play in the middle of the night against bots you can swap servers to the one with more players. Bots in the game shouldn't count towards your marks. Same as your reason if you only play at high player count times. You'll never mark anything cos the botfarmers are inflating what's needed to mark a tank. If you only play against bots well that should be a you problem. They punish the majority of players for the sake of a few sweats who set their alarm for 2am utc and jump on EU server.
I know people who have more than one account and only play against bots at low population times and have amazing wn8 but when the real players show up, they swap accounts......🙄

[near parcel]

Still, there is no logical reason why participation in a platoon should be valid for an individual award for a PERSONAL achievement like MOE.

[sturdy acorn]

real

[late tendon]

+/- 2 also makes MOEs less skill based in higher tiers. 9s & 10s just sit back & farm the 8s & 7s 3 marked tanks pre 6.0 impressed me now all I see is a camper farming lower tier tanks 👍

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[still walrus]

Wow, dude thinks farming -2 will give moe😂

You want to be lowtier so there is more dmg to farm

[opal pelican]

Or a M3A2 Bradley, my highest in my Bradley is 85k win8

[ripe fulcrum]

Bots in a game shouldn't count towards MoE!

[raven valley]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-laugh-lmao-gif-27296759

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[ripe fulcrum]

🤣 that whole recruitment thing is a joke.....I don't know how it went over so many heads 🤣

Don't say you read that and actually thought it was a serious recruitment drive 🤣
https://discord.com/channels/630895439520202783/1169642028041261157
Check the new advert

[opal pelican]

Oh well, they do 🤣🤣

[ripe fulcrum]

Just saying there's no skill in farming bots in the middle of the night. MoE used to mean something but not anymore

[wise pendant]

Lol, what a rigged stat

I mean, you can take a tank and do that heh

[ripe fulcrum]

Got to stay up late and farm bots/wn8 😉

[wise pendant]

💀

[restive plinth]

If you farm bots your wn8 realistically should be over 4k all time without trying. I never understood why anyone needs to farm bots for wn8 anyhow. Most players in this game are worse than bots

Ironically bots are literally better than 50% of players.

[wise pendant]

Thats why wot become bot farming simulator, with players worse then AI

[raven valley]

Robert moe

[sturdy acorn]

Robert pattinson

[worn grove]

anyone gold mark cs yet

[raven valley]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[fallow marsh]

No

Never will happen

[fallow marsh]

Not really, 8s in tier 10 means less hp so harder to farm dpg. Big games and grinding marks are easier when facing same tier.

[sturdy acorn]

Rever moes

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[sturdy acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/love-forever-hearts-soulmate-true-love-gif-2691134636851200359

[sterile yarrow]

So what changed with MoEs?
Everyone only describes the existence of bots in regular matches which can be abused, but is there something that actually changed with the MoE calculation?

[main rivet]

Some coefficient which took a map in calculation was changed. But it doesn't matter anyway. The MOE system is simple, yet so complicated and in my opinion quite poorly made. The biggest issue I have with marking is poor map rotation, but that's problem everyone have to endure😀

[vital hamlet]

The biggest issue is variability due to tank popularity. Giveaway tanks are a joke to mark but strong rare tanks (CS, VZ) are insanely hard. Used to be less of an issue with a larger playerbase and less tanks and no split playerbase from CW, but now flaws in the system really show. The worst part is that WG knows that there are problems and consider them to be “features”

[wooden lintel]

^^^

[main rivet]

There is nothing we can do

[wooden lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu202-gif-20765759

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[twilit pike]

https://tenor.com/view/greekgod-greek-greekstatue-gif-11661353559163723264

[sturdy acorn]

Bro we gonna have gta6 before the moe revert

💀

[spice schooner]

What about light tanks that have to rely on teammates/ platoon mates to help them get spotting assist damage that goes towards your moes?

[near parcel]

The platoons (1 spotter + 2 shooter) are one of the biggest rigging possibilities in WOT:

• The current non-platoon player doesn't even know what the mini-map is and what it's good for, they only see the enemy when he shows up right in front of them
• The two shooters of the platoon only pay attention to the spots of their mate, if there is another scout in the same team but not in their platoon, he is simply out of attention
• Any communication and coordination in the platoons dramatically increase the individual results, it is almost impossible to put up the same numbers solo.
  So: If you are in a platoon -> no points for the MOE! (if you want to have fair MOE)

[spice schooner]

I find that I have just as good if not better spotted assisted damage when playing solo rather than in a platoon so…

[covert hinge]

Then why say lights rely on platoon mates just to say regular teammates do the same job

[spice schooner]

I’m just saying then why would being in a platoon or not count towards your moes or not

[raven valley]

💀

I’m sensing some bs

[covert hinge]

[opaque onyx]

[worn grove]

Inshallah roberts will moe

[ebon yarrow]

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[cunning flax]

Nearly 400

Not that it will mean anything

[sturdy acorn]

Bum

[sullen shadow]

Has anyone got figures for MOE inflation since the gold marks were brought in?

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[heavy crow]

i dont understand this thread, just go get a gold mark

:>

[vital hamlet]

It's literally impossible on a bunch of tanks, even playing against bots

[steep ocean]

[fiery summit]

Ez just get the mark

[jaunty dragon]

"just pen your shots"

[uneven axle]

You must not be capping enough. Based on the number of people capping out games lately, that must be ez mode for gold marks.

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[wooden lintel]

Here lies 384 people who created the largest effort for change on this game, just to be ignored by 1.

[covert hinge]

🫡

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[worn grove]

And they’re hot garbage

[worn grove]

Lol good one

[misty saddle]

Just a reminder to change MOE

[ebon yarrow]

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[sturdy acorn]

Revert moes

[ebon yarrow]

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[simple river]

Hilarious that they even changed them in the first place

WG are full of top players with hundreds of 3 MoEs they definitely know what's best

[onyx owl]

You forgot to add “for themselves”

[hybrid lark]

MoE before the changes was way too easy and not rewarding, so it was a reasonable decision

[analog zinc]

I see this thread still going and wargaming seemingly not intrested

[hybrid lark]

it's going for no actual reason, except for the suggestion regarding the removal of damage dealt to BOT, since that's the only change that's required to make it more fair

[analog zinc]

I genuinely prefered the previous system the current one is too hard

[still walrus]

Most difficult tank would fix themselves when the weaker part community would the weaker tanks.

[hybrid lark]

The previous one where you could get a 3rd mark without a single effort and in less than 80 games ? That's not a fun endgame content if you ask me

[analog zinc]

Thats your opinion perhaps you are good enough to do that

Should just see a few individuals who can do it

How about a system in between

[hybrid lark]

Rebalance would fix a lot of issues

[analog zinc]

Not as easy as before and not as hard as the current one

[hybrid lark]

Not only mine, they are a few players who understand how it works and are fine with it. I'm not the greatest player, but I know how to grind them without having to complain like the others

[analog zinc]

So because you are ok with it and a few other players are ok with it
The rest of us just should shut up

Great reasoning bro 👍

[still walrus]

Yes but we haven't had any nerfs for like 3 years

[hybrid lark]

That's not what I wrote above or ever said to anyone. What I actually think is people should get a better understanding of how it works and simply get better at playing random battles. Also a little support from WG's side in terms of balance would help a lot

[analog zinc]

Well it sounds like what you said since you wont even try understand the issue other plays might have with it

[hybrid lark]

true and it doesn't seem like it will ever happen, at least by considering when was the last reforge update

[still walrus]

There's like 3 tanks that are almost impossible. Taran VZ and sturmtiger iirc

[still walrus]

Reforge was "buff tanks to get more sales"

[hybrid lark]

Except for the M46 you mentioned lately

[still walrus]

Tbf it got buffed before and still kept a buff to before

The nerf was just a fix to the super buff

[hybrid lark]

I always try to understand everyone, however no one ever gave here a meaningful reason except for it being "too difficult"

[hybrid lark]

I've seen a few being 3marked by the players of my clan lately

[still walrus]

@hybrid lark I'd lower the moe by 1% for every month there hasn't been a 4 mark.
When there 1 per month it stays the same.

More than one it goes up by 1%

I don't mean make 4 mark to 99%

5000 dmg should he lowered to 4950 when there hasn't been a mark for a month

1 marked taran per month won't flood it

[hybrid lark]

It makes sense at some point and it doesn't seem to be easy to abuse

[still walrus]

It's virtually impossible to abuse unless we get all the players to work together. But with that we could abuse the moe today already.

[analog zinc]

Let me give you an example
Im a 61%winrate player with
4k recent wn8 and 3k wn8 overall

Tried to 3 moe my e100 got to 94.70% and more like 30 times in different times that i tried to get the moe
And didnt get it

This happened with my super conq

And my tiger 131 which i eventually marked it

I recently 3 moed my m1a2
T72m1
And my mobat

So i think if i cant get a e100 3rdmoe with 30 times of ttrying in different times

Than its definitely too hard

And e100 doesnt require a insnae amount of requirement for the 3rd moe anyway

[hybrid lark]

Correct. If it was done now, wouldn't the MoE of a tank with 0 games in the last 14 days was changed to the requirements of the tank with highest reqs. in this class and tier ?,

[analog zinc]

I dont know tho maybe i dont deserve a 3rd moe but i still think moe as it is right now is too hard

You say back in the timewas too easy

I dont know i didnt try nor was i good enough to know it

But still i think the current system needs to be easyer just a little bit

[hybrid lark]

WN8 is meaningless. Your win% seems like you have an impact on the games, but it doesn't mean you will easily mark tanks, since it requires damage and not wins.

E100 is one of the easiest tanks to mark, due to it's popularity, so if you struggle it means you're inconsistent and you're not keeping up with the damage in games

[analog zinc]

How about my super conqueror

[hybrid lark]

@analog zinc in terms of CW I have barely anything to say, but during my trying out of this mode I 3/4 marked tanks without a single effort or focus on the games, so that's all I can say

[analog zinc]

My wn8 and winrate suggest im one of the better players of the game bro ...

[still walrus]

Yes. Wait 2 weeks. Get default moe. Get everyone to get 0dmg games.

Our ema will drop but be above 0 so we get 4moe by doing 0 dmg

[analog zinc]

And there it is that why i sayd what i said

[analog zinc]

.

[still walrus]

Koza is like top 0.1% for sure

[analog zinc]

Yes

I genuinly think he simply doesnt have the precpective of players who are good just not as much as him

[still walrus]

He's right though

[analog zinc]

Perhaps i have given up on the hope of moe changing for the better anyway

He asked for a example and therefore i provided it

[hybrid lark]

S.conq is also an easy tank and very friendly for all kind of players, even for those who aren't heavy tank fans. It should be easy for you to be consistent with it, but maybe it's not a tank for you and it's better to learn what you're doing wrong with it than complain about the system. That's what I think regarding that

[analog zinc]

Eaither way its point less to argue

I can at least agree with that

Which is pointless to argue over this

[hybrid lark]

I asked for an example of solution, not a complain

[hybrid lark]

WN8 is easy to abuse and means nothing, since the expected values for many tanks are inconsistent with the other tanks

[analog zinc]

But i never abused it

[analog zinc]

I dont know for sure maybe reducing the requirements of 3rd moe by 1%is enough

[hybrid lark]

It doesn't matter if I'm top or not. I don't bring it in here as an argument, since it means nothing. What actually matters is the understanding of the system, game and own mistakes

[hybrid lark]

I'm not saying you did. I also never did it purposely, but my stats are affected by it anyways, that's why it's not a good measurement of skill

[analog zinc]

Regardless i doubt any of this makes any difference since wg wont listen

I am actually happy with my 2nd moes