Installing linux mint on an external usb

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Have two usbs one with ventoy and linux mint and second one is empty. I want to install linuxx mint on empty one. What to do

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i found ur thread

u booted ventoy up to live desktop of distro?

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No but

I am at the screen directlt before it

Should i start it in normal mode

Or do i have to choose smth else cuz i am installing it on a usb stick

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always normal mode.

literally no reason to EVER choose anything else

except the most extreme and rare cases

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Kay ig

On the live desktop

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plug second usb in now

this is Mint?

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Yes as the title says

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cinnamon?

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Yes

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ok but forewarned, it will load slower from usb

sometimes things will appear to halt or stick a few seconds during usage

ok plug 2nd usb, open terminal, and run lsblk --scsi ; lsblk -f

and show pic

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lsblk -o name,model,label

please

nvm

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i see the ventoy one

sudo umount /dev/sdc1

next u must unflag certain things on sda for safety.

so open gparted from the start menu. and choose sda in the top right selector

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Yes

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ok show pic of gparted , full extents of the window. do not maximize it

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right click sda1

manage flags.

take off the esp and boot

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By boot you mean opening the install linux mint thing and choosing the usb

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nooo

read the three lines i just freakin wrote

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Yeah i took off esp

It no longer has its checkbox checked

On sda1

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both flags off?

make sure

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Ohhh thought u meant boot as like next step not checkmark

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.

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Yeah

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ok

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It was already off

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explode-cat-explode-mike-interpol-gif-13503338605162614186

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choose the non-ventoy lexar in gparted from top menu

and show pic

sdc

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click the Device menu item

choose 'new partition table'

u expect to use this mobile OS on dirtyass ANCIENT motherfugger pc's?

or on reasonably current ones

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Both.

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fuck

ok use msdos partition table. quick erase

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What do i click on to do that

Oh

Found

Done

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how old of pc u thinking?

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2000

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wont boot from USB those

2007 minimum

and should be a way fucking light distro not mint cinnamon

anyways, if u wanna use this stick on newer ones, remake partition table as GPT

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https://giphy.com/gifs/ishowspeed-homeless-early-stream-24aS215WFN9cTMxe12

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for that u need a 32-bit ISO (of something like puppy linux or antix 32, burned to a CD)

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Okay ig

Ig that wont matter cuz i am basing this off ancient pc i saw alot

In scrap stores

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so ... if it's pre 2007.. forget usb booting

maybe 2006 if you're damn lucky

do u want to continue here?

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Yes

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ok remake usb as gpt table

the blank lexar sdc

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Yes

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click on the "View" menu in gparted. and tick on 'show device information'

the sidebar

then show full pic

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ok right click the grey empty thing. New:

new size: 20 MB show the type options.

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Yes

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click filesystem dropdown

show all the options

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choose 'unformatted

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Yes

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for label and partition name just put BIOS_GRUB

if it allows

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Keyboard layout bieng in french wouldnt matter right?

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just put the letters

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Yes.

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change your keyboard settings to whatever now

in the setttings

before doing anything in any installer

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Yes

It says bios_grub in uppercase do i add now

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yes

then click add

then right click on the remaining free space, and do New again

new size : 100 MiB label: ESP filesystem: fat32

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Yes

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click add, then show pic

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edit top one

right click

can u put label too? BIOS_GRUB

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Uhhh

What option is editing

There is no eddit only uhh

Delete

Format to and

Information

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delete

then right click and add

same stuff as before but name everything correctly

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Yes

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ok

click the green check

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Yes

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done?

then manage flags for the ESP

add the esp and boot flags

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Done

Uhh

I may have done smth wrong

The label part of the bios_grub partition is emptt

Empty*

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ok w/e

show pic

after flagging the ESP

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ok

close that

u set keyboard locale already?

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Closed gparted

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ya

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Its french but not azerty

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then only use numbers for password in installer

in fact, open the text editor now

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Wait it is azerty

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and make SURE each number makes the right number in editor

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They dont

It has to be on

Capslock

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use password abc then

test abc in text editor

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Well numpad works

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otherwise u will be screwed

use some easy password that wont give trouble with keybd language AT ALL

and test first in text editor

in the installer, must choose exact same locale/language

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and then page 5, choose the 'something else' option

ok dont screw urself for password

i say use simple one that works right in text editor

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Is password even needed

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eventually

tag me here when u reach page 5 in installer

or page 6

the 'something else' drive chart page

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click the dropdown menu for bootloader

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Yes

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set to sdc1

not sdc

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Yes

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then click big free space under the sdc things in chart

and click +

use as: ext4, mountpoint: /

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Ext4 journaling file system?

Done

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ok scroll chart to show what things of sdc u made

and show pic again of entire thing

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good. click install

will take maybe 45 minutes

write ur password on paper u will not lose

and username also that u choose

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Should i do login automatically

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yes

no encryption

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K now waiting part?

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yes

make pc has power cord

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@hard sable finished?

if finished, put flags back on sda1 which u removed before.

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reference

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No its still like quarter of loading

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only do this once it's totally finished

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U said it would take 45 mins...

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i was estimating

how far is it?

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Quarter and a quarter of a quarter of the bar is full

https://tenor.com/view/bd-gif-5903120

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the second lexar usb , does it have a blinker light?

and is it flashing it?

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Niether of them

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oh u should've told me that an hour ago

u mean they have lights, but not flashing?

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No

No lights

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say clearly

ok

open the DISKS application

select the non-ventoy usb on the left side

and show pic of the main ext4 partition selected

full pic

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Btw ventoy usb might have a heart attack any moment

Kinda got scammed while buying it

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i dont think it's doing much.

not good

if this doesn't grow any further in 15 minutes, it's time to quit the installer.

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Shi taunting me bro

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bah

usb flash is not meant for this

it has about 10 gigs to write.

let it work

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Can i sleep peacefully without it imploding because i didnt press on a certain button after x amount of time

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maybe the cheapest flash memory cells on Earth. may tak hours

as long as computer is on AC power (and u dont have power failures or shutdowns expected)

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It cost 70 loaves of bread

Or in currency 70 dirhams

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progressing steadily?

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Well i am not checking on it steadily

Cant tell

It progressed .1%

Again

Its at 6.9% now

7

Ig steadily

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yeah maybe other stick is just defective or it just takes stupidly long

external drive is best to be an external USB hard drive, or USB-ssd

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The one with ventoy was bought from sketchy vendor that overrprices

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aren't they the exact same brand and model?

from what i saw earlier

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Yeah but one aint in best shaprz

Shape

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same model

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Only way to take it out of the usb slot is through a keychain

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Its prolly usedd

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go to sleep. if it works it works

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7.2

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should be done roughly at 21%

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Couldve got 64 gb usb stick for the price of the 8 gb one that has ventoy on it rn if. I didnt go to the random vendor.

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Uhhh i do not know what u mean by that

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just make sure it's plugged to proper mains electricity and go to sleep

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Still not asleep cuz i saw a random roach getting under a couch

Its just over halfway

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its done

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what now

Ama install some stuff in it

Quiet slow but still usable

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working ig

time to restart

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Retained stuff in it

Tho terribly slow at downloads and updates and opening .txt files

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avoid flatpaks

absolutely avoid flatpaks.

if u installed any , uninstall them, and get the native versions

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How do i know if i do

Does package installer do that

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oh and one more thing, u should have the no_atime thing

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No what

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flatpak list will show if any.

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Currently stuck at update manager

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be watchful of what you choose in software manager. make sure everything u pick has system package option. not flatpak

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What if i did download

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they will take long to load each time u run

plus use up more space. though on 60 gig drive u have somewhat enough space

they will also take way longer to update

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For some reason its harder to open a text document than google

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because of the massive runtime environments that are like 2 - 3.5 GB

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Shiiii

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open separate terminal, and run flatpak list

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I am updating and kinda stuck at it for like an hour

I used update manager

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also note, flash can wear out a lot faster on this setup. portable USB only for light use.

(unless it's usb hard drive)

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It says usb hdd on it

Donnu how to check otherwise

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u showed me a photo yesterday

it was just a stick

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Sooo will wear out faster

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THAT is a USB hard drive

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Oh.

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to help it not wear as fast (it still will) you must set the noatime parameter in a certain file

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I assume linux mintt wasnt really meant for this

Is there like

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relatime / noatime: Updates file access times relative to modification/change times (relatime) to reduce disk I/O, or disables access time updating entirely (noatime) for maximum SSD performance.

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Nvm

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u have terminal ?

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Cant

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why?

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Update manager is still running

Dont seem to be able to open anythin else

It just does the mouse loading thing and nothing after

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press ctrl-alt-F5 (or f4 or f6 or f3, f2)

for real terminal.

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Ok

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log in as usual there.

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Put in the password?

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username first

then password

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Ok

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you are logged in?

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Y

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so u can check the noatime thing

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How

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well first you read the fstab file

so from your TTY (real terminal): cat /etc/fstab

for the line about the filesystem root (/ ) there may be some options listed like errors=mount ro

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Only seeing.

Errors=remount-ro

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yes. so in nano (editor) you add one word with one space after ro

and that word is (noatime)

sudo nano /etc/fstab

make very sure you are only working on the line about the filesystem root (/)

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How

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move cursor with arrow keys

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And

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.

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Yes

I added noatime

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so it will say :
UUID=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / ext4 Errors=remount-ro,noatime 0 1

need a comma in there. i missed that before

got it?

no space between ro and noatime, just a comma

then press ctrl-o to write out (save). press enter after. and ctrl-x to exit nano

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Ok

K its writing

Its done but its still showing the nano thing

And also the terminal part where i can put commands

Is this how it should work

@low stag will i break

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ok. add a couple more spaces after noatime

then save

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didnt need quite that many

otherwise it's fine

follow above to save and exit

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Ctrl + x then y then enter?

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ctrl-o , enter, ctrl-x

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Yeah uhh first time when it only had one space

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.

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I used ctrl x

Then y then enter

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ok i guess both works

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Would it be trouble.

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double check with cat /etc/fstab

that the changes held.

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good. now u can do flatpak list

to check if u installed any

and also df -h to see your space left in root

then ctrl-alt-f7 to go back to graphical desktop

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Flatpak list doesnt say anything

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did u use lowercase f ?

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Yeah afterwards i put -help

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--help

words need two dashes

letter flags use one dash

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Autocorrect on phone

I typed -h

There is no list command

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so flatpak list exactly as i wrote it here, showed nothing?

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Yeah

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ok so nvm it.

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I mean i cant even see the command in helpn.option

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dont use flatpaks on this installation

run whereis flatpak

if paths show, that means the support for flatpak is there,

then run
flatpak list EXACTLY

then df -h to show disk space

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that's it. and wait for updates to finish

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Whereis flatpak shows the path flatpak list does nothing and df -h shows space

Sooo

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Is smth broken

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idk

can u even open a file manager?

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Do i exit terminal or do i have to run some command in it to open a specific file manager

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ur still in TTY?

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Uhh yeah

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run top

and see if mintupdate is still running

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Do i keep.holding down button till i find it or reach end

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active and busy processes appear near the top, in top

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Not seeing it

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ok press ctrl-c

go back to the desktop environment

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Y

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y ask y?

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Y as in yes

A empty terminal opened

Doesnt have any text on it at all

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idk just. hit ctrl-alt-F7

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Yes ive done thay

That*

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can u open the System Monitor?

see if disk is being written still

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The update manager is still

Updating

Tried opening system.monitor

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i think u got a superbad , super slow usb stick

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Not opening

Yeah...

Its a cheap one

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next time only external usb hard drives or usb -SSD enclosure

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Sooo how can i scrap all ts

And js put ventoy on it

Tho i already have a stick with ventoy...

:I

Donnu what to do with it

Stunner

Smth is uhh

Shi disappearing

Oh js an invis chrome window

Not responding

Closed

Hmmm

What if i put sudo rm-rf/

Is it gonna fry the pc

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might cause a fire

can u open a file manager or the System Monitor now?

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No

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go back to TTY, same one u used before.

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Ye

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try apt search iotop

finds it?

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No result yet

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show picture.

is it stalling or it completed the search?

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Stall

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i think you have garbage usb.

because even for install, shouldn't have taken even more than 55 minutes.

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Over 4 hours

Is what it took

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press ctrl-c

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Yes

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top

show me picture of the top 20 or 30 lines.

or full monitor

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ctrl-c

free -h

show that please

this tried to start. it's in memory

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@hard sable

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Little problme i had to deal with. I am back now

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i see why it's stalling. the installer didn't automatically create some swap.

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Uhhh so?

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run pgrep mintupdate

what's it say?

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Error and more stuff

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why the frig did u type like that?

ctrl-c

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Why what

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you blind?

dont RUN BULLSHIT

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Ohh

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copy LIKE I PUT IT

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Cant copy paste like this

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TYPE

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Stall

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show it

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Uhh small typo ama redo

What to do in case of terminal crashing?

Uhhh

Sooo what does. Prepg mintupdate do..

Accidebtly ran it

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it shows if it's running or not

show photo

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When i realized it was wrong command i attempted.ctrl c

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press ctrl-c again

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And pgrap mintupdatz did nothing

After ctrl c

Not stall

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you must have a clean prompt

do clear

and press enter

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Ok i ran pgrep mintupdate

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then
pgrep mintupdate

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Nothing

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oh good.

try pgrep gnome-system-monitor

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Says pattern that searchs for procrss name longer than 15 chars will result in zero matches

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pgrep nemo

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And to tr -f option

Try*

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quickly.......

pgrep nemo

running or not?

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Works

Outputs numbers only

2288

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good

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7745

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that means it is running, but mintupdate is not

if u got nothing from

do sudo reboot

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Nothing from wha

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restart back to this usb. and time it

sudo reboot

now

and then make swap otherwise this hanging can occur again

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How

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600 MB swap

dont worry just reboot

and time how long it takes from machine restart to the desktop

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Still waiting

Still

Blank screen

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did machine restart or no?

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The following will create a 600 Mebibyte swapfile (1 MiB x 600)

sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024k count=600 (make big empty file)
sudo chmod 600 /swapfile (set linux read/write permissions on file)
sudo mkswap /swapfile (transform the big file into usable swap)
sudo swapon /swapfile (turn on swap (virtual memory) on in the system)
free -h (test to view that swap memory is now in play)

sudo xed /etc/fstab (edit the fstab file to make swap automatically available on each boot)

(put this into the fstab file on new line near bottom) :
/swapfile none swap sw 0 0

(save the fstab file and exit the editor)

sudo reboot
free -h (once booted back to desktop, to check memory and virtual memory (swap) )

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Think there is bigger problme

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restarted or not?

if not. hold power key down.

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usb might already be toast

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Not desktop

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press escape or ctrl-c

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It auto blankes

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hold power key down 6 seconds steady

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Completly turned pc off and on

On its own

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time it to boot from usb

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Blue screen of recovery

Ok at usb

At termina

Yeah uhhh

@low stag btw how faster does usb wear down when used like this

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did u boot to the 62 GB usb?

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Yes

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and are u at desktop?

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Yes

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idk

dont use for heavy web browsing or nothing

just emergency use

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run al this, ACCURATELY

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I got discord on it so ama just copy paste it

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make sure it doesnt paste single quote marks

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Sudo mkswap /swapfile command stalled

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takes time.

give it like 15 minutes roughly\

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Kay

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you used the numbers i put right?

for count and block size

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What numbers

I copies the third command

Also its done

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stunner did i have to add numbers...

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The first and second command had numbers.

anyway if u copied those, fine

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yes

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?

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looks good.

save it

restart pc

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stunner did it break

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no that's normal for xed when launched via terminal

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last step here

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it works

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I recommend two important apps

for this

to keep it clean

stacer

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stacer?

huh

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and htop to be able to search and kill processes from terminal or from TTY

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what??

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it's a display and cleaning tool

sudo apt install stacer htop

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do i get it from software manager

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command above will get both at once

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ok fix

sudo dpkg --configure -a

once fixed dpkg package error, hit up arrow twice to get back the apt install stacer command and run it as was

https://linuxmasterclub.com/stacer/

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stall

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give time

that is something for kernel

that must have been from last time, update manager stalling

this is from just the dpkg command?

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soo uhh i already kinda waited 30 mins before

does it take hours

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idfk

on a spinning hard drive, 2 minutes max

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man

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dont use for heavy web browsing or nothing
just emergency use

you have real hard drive for using OS daily

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can i like..

totally wipe the stick

andj ust use it like a regular stick

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why did u bother with all this shit and waste my time?

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after i am out

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if ur not going to use it lightly

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Well thought it be bit more

Usable

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u can shrink the partition, to use some for data

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But seeing now whatever i would do on it can be done on phone which is mainly communication

Are you gonna kill me

Also pc emitting beeps

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beeps?

what's the terminal at?

finished the dpkg thing?

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No

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i think usb is very very bad quality one

to take so long to write

open system monitor

and look at disk use

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Cant even open google tho

ehhhh

I think its opening

Not opening

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yeah leave it for an hour. if u shutdown now, usb will be broken permanently

reformat the stick in real linux to fat or exfat later.

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Kay

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Do i have to like

Cancel dkgp thing

If its still running

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i said leave for one or two hours

or risk destroying the usb permanently

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Yeah if its still running after that time

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It finished

The dkgp thing

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Should i shutdown now

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oo

it did

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Soo

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^

those are not big. should only take 30 seconds

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Not gonna shut down anymore?

K

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see if it stabilized

the updates are MASSIVE

if u had asked me, i'd have said dont

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Chrome acting wierd so dont think it stable

The window got messed up

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bleh

use a superlight browser if on USB

like palemoon

did u get stacer installed and also htop , @hard sable ?

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Not yet

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Its 99% stuck at reading packages

Still

Ok it passed that point

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Yes

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What now

Ama shut it down ig

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can i just delete all contents of the usb since it was finished downloading everything and had nothing going on

thinking i should do this with a proper hdd usb

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I was going to show you stacer works if needing to clean up system junk

but i suppose u can reformat the USB

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i kinda gonna try doing this again once i have the proper usb thing

hdd usb

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ok . do you want to reformat the 62 gig drive properly?

back to exFAT

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kinda already did and put ventoy on it it seems functiona-

does it matter that it was in fat

and not exfat

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yes it does matter

it should absolutely be in exFAT

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kinda ventoy on it now do i strip it down

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just reformat it using the DISKS app in linux

the reason is FAT has a 4 GB maximum file size per file.

if u try to add a 4.2 GB (or bigger) ISO on it (such as Ubuntu or Windows) , it will absolutely fail

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its saying exfat

is that smth wierd i done i think

gparted says exfat too

ig i have to do nothing??

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so it's fine then

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ok

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did ISOs transfer at a more reasonable rate?

like 4 to 5 minutes?

or half an hour?

@hard sable

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yeah

had a problme at first cuz i pressed something i forgot at install i deleted everything and wiped and and reinstalled and it ran fine

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do you want to try something else on the 8 GB stick? something light and made for persistence?

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i filled it with random os's

like wayyy long ago

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the 8 GB one

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yeah thats the one i used to install mint on the 64 gb one

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so move them to the big ventoy 62 GB

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it also has ventoy on it from first fiddling arround

sure ig

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i'd like to show u a thing I discovered long ago by some great linux maker

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cro passing generational enlightenment

what is it

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lol

just sec, imma pull up the website

https://mxlinux.org/

this is fast and light version

even lighter is antix. both have the same persistent live usb technology, because made by same developer

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whats diffrence than presistance and install

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with mx or antix, u have some options at beginning to enable persistence or not even do so

if u touch no key, it will boot like live usb, all default desktop

if u touch the key at initial mx (or antix) boot menu, for persistence, it offers some choices, like where u want to put persistence folders (can be on usb or another device that is present)

so it's gonna keep changes.

most of changes get written before u shutdown

not all the time

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so i just download it put it on the 8 gb usb and i have simple live version that retains actions done in it?

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yes

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cool

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for pc like 15 yrs old, or bit more, get fluxbox

newer one, can get xfce version

but, make stick with their thing

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what thing

btw i have a wierd sys volume info folder that appeared in the 8gb stick

i just keep that there?

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l'm bringing it up wait

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windows makes that

just hang on

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oh yeah

used it on a windows computer when first trying it

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https://mxlinux.org/blog/live-usb-maker-tool-now-available-as-an-appimage/

see that page.

u need to set it from linux computer, not Windows

the red link

unzip the appimage, check its properties that it is set executable, and then double click it

see https://mxlinux.org/wiki/help-files/help-mx-live-usb-maker/ for set up

make sure to use the default 'full featured mode' so it will work for mx or antix with ability to persist

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oooo cool

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so uh it appears i got confused a bit i forgot the 8 gb stick is actually 16 gb stick is there smth diff i gotta do or do i just stick with what you said?

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np. u can still use mx live usb maker on it. if you wish to reserve 4 gigs just as plain data section , u can set that in the live usb maker

percent of drive to use

4 out of 16 is 25%,

so, u can have mx live maker use 75% of drive

or 80 percent

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wait i am supposed to get rid of the ventoy

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shouldnt matter

the mx live usb maker will likely tell u it will erase the drive u tell it to.

make sure beforehand that u safely eject the 62 gig ventoy and remove it from pc

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yeah it said all data will be destroyed

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and ofc, make sure u pick correct drive in the maker menu

show pic

if u can

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the other one wasnt connected it only showed the lexar 14 gb

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u set the mx iso?

it needs iso file

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yeah i copied it from ventoy cuz i thought i should have mx on ventoy and put it in downloaqds

then navigated to the mx

chose it

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mm

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left the precentage thing on 100%

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and u gave it 100

sure

and mbr mode (legacy bios pc compatibility)

idk if that's in 'advanced'

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yeah uhh i kinda already proceeded-

do i have to unmount the usb

before i do anything on it

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alright , just wait til it's done

no

it will do whatever it needs automatically

which iso u got?

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its kinda stuck on 0%? is it like normal

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yes

it first has to format i think

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for about how long

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ah ok

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i did it once but i cant recall. maybe was 10 minutes

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can i use pc normally while its doing what it is doing

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sure

what kind of cpu u have on the linux computer?

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uhhh

?

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koo

was there some weaker pc u wanted to test mx on?

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its a computer from a school

well i do have an absolutly ancient pc stashed

probably broke after i tried putting a laptops ram in it

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what kind of cpu and RAM in the school one?

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kinda have absolutly no i dea

the lenovo site holds some info of it

ama go check

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it's laptop or desktop?

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desktop

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school one is the one i am using

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on mint?

or windows

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mint

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oh.

that's i5, with 8 GB RAM

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yes

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how's the progress going on the live usb maker?

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0

log thing isnt functional

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do u have to like something to enter?

a password?

check behind the window

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nothin

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some other button to press?

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cancel,about,log,help

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log doesnt do shi it says its missi-

i am here

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oh

hit close

it really should have progressed

try different usb port

no hubs

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ama also delete stuff on teh stick

i dont have hubs

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if u want but it should already do

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the ventoy stuff was still there

gone

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u know how to do from dots menu in DISKS app?

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yeahhh i used

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ok try again

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usb stick formatter

program i found preinstalled on the mint

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ok

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is Windows pc weaker or stronger u think, than this one?

check in Downloads folder. iso is right size?

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wdym

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like over 2 gigs?

in file manager

make sure

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3 gb

exact

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right click it: verify ISO

then compare the sha256 checksum to official one on mxlinux.org

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uhh where is it

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https://sourceforge.net/projects/mx-linux/files/Final/Xfce/

when it redirects to there.

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uh

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oh there too

yeah it's same as one i got and posted above.

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so i just copy funni numbr

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now compare to the Mint verification calculation

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is that top pic what it calculated?

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yeah

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cool ok that part is fine

try flashing it again

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k

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I know I did once with Antix, using ventoy. but i made ventoy with half the drive left reserved.

and when booting antix with persistence, the onscreen setup, it asks where to save persistence, and i made it go on the reserved half of the USB

is it progressing now, @hard sable

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no still 0%

it uses msdos?

partitioning

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im not sure. did u click the advanced button?

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yeah

also vfat? thought we using exfat

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this button at upper right

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yes

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idk show a screenshot of the options u see 😛

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u see at bottom?

for 'size of ESP'

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YES

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put 5%, not 50

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yes*

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then u see in middle

'make ext4 filesystem even one exists'

tick that box

and if want some data partition put 10 percent at bottom left

i think could be good to have it

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the size of esp thing cant be reduced

snaps back once attempted

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oh i may know why

because the GPT thing

is unchecked

if both computers u own are like 13 yrs old or NEWER, then make with gpt

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checked gpt thing

still cant reduce

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lol whattt

click the up arrow near 50

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60

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does number go up or down?

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up

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can it go lower than 50?

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no

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ok leave the bottom left stuff alone as defaults.

just put the ext4 thing in the middle, plus the GPT checkmark

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also why did you say make it 5% not 50.. there is no precentile

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good catch

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u talking abt

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i guess it means 50 MB

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smth else or am i

oh ok

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nah nah . just leave the bottom left stuff alone

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.

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i would say put 95 percent for percent of drive to use

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done

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and put SPARE in capital letters as the ext label

then select the ISO

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i think that should be all.

ya click 'next'

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ama play roblox a bit

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is it moving along now?

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no.

thought id wait like 10 mins first

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ok sure

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then check

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if it's still doing squat after 11 minutes, i'd say i'll show u how to use ventoy (from linux itself) and leave reserved space

as I did here, but for the third partition (sdb3) I should have made it exfat or ext4 (to hold persist files greater than 4 GB)

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ok

its still 0%

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hm that's nutty

if u open the Disks app, what's going on with the usb drive?

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still as fat.

what if u click on 'stop' button

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unmount?

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maybe the dang mx live usb thing needs it unmounted!

because this is an appimage

it may not have permissions to unmount

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i mean you said it didnt matter before

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i never thought of it

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worth a try ig

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like i really thought it'd handle it

hit stop , then retry the flash or see if it progresses

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some stuff is gone

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hit 'next'

like it should just work immediately

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negative

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lingering on a blank log?

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y

there aint even a log tho

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yes?

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yes

y as yes

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ok nvm

close that app / appimage

let's fire up ventoy for linux

do u have the tar package?

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i dont have much time left

yeah

i have the folder of ventoy

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this should take no time

u have the tar unzipped

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yes

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ok go in the ventoy folder

find the ventoyGUI 64_x86 file

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and move it to terminal?

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and drag it onto open terminal

fire it up.

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its on gpt

not mbr

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Im thinkng u should maybe leave it on MBR if thinking to use the live stick on old computers.. idk. what do u think?

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havent seen old ones actually get used in long time

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u must also reserve space. 8 GB

how ancient is the one u said u have buried?

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my father had it from 2000

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ah nvm

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had some wierd ram with pipes in it

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ok if u want to stay on GPT , then fine, but go to the 'partition configuration' options

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set the 'leave free space at end

yes hit ok

show main window

it should have the gpt and padlocks thing

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kinda already installed it instead of waiting for further instructions so i guess i hit update?

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ok close that

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yes

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now open the DISKS app

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i didnt leave the 8 gbs at end yet

do i have to hit update

or install

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it says there - 8

fuck

did u jump ahead before setting the -8?

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yes i installed before setting -8