grave cedar
I really very much want to switch from Windows to Linux Mint, but it seems that Linux Mint doesn't support Blackwell (Nvidia 50 series) GPUs yet.
I see where others have had issues with Blackwell cards and I was wondering if there was a way to add the drivers to my USB install or if there were plans to bring support to Linux Mint in the near future.
I'm comfortable with command line so I can definitely use that.
wispy frost
are you using the open drivers?
I'm pretty sure there is a minimum kernel version to support 50 open drivers
grave cedar
idk how to install anything on a linux usb stick yhat won't boot up
marble tundra
I really very much want to switch from Windows to Linux Mint, but it seems that ...
For proper support, that will probably come this year, but when exactly, nobody knows... have you an integrated GPU you can run on ?
If you have integrated GPU, what you could try is to enable it and make it the default one in your BIOS (and plug your display on it), install Linux using the integrated GPU, then install Nvidia proprietary drivers on the fresh install, then back the RTX 5080 as default GPU
It is also possible to install in failsafe mode, then install Nvidia drivers using Recovery mode.
grave cedar
It's a desktop and I haven't gotten rid of my old GPU yet, so I can swap it out to install
That might be my best solution currently
marble tundra
You can try this yes
You'll have to install nvidia drivers via APT (command line) since the Device Manager will not allow you to install driver for non-present hardware
Except if your old GPU is also a Nvidia, in this case this is way easier...
grave cedar
yep it is, and I am also used to commandline 😄
marble tundra
If the other GPU is also a Nvidia, it's easier, you simply have to install drivers via Menu > Settings > Drivers Manager... take care to select the 590
grave cedar
Uhhh, so I got it working on a 4080 long enough to format my drive, but after a while the GPU seems to shut off. This happened several times while partitioning and formatting, then once while going through the installer menus, now it does it every start up after the Mint logo.
marble tundra
Uhhh, so I got it working on a 4080 long enough to format my drive, but after a ...
You managed to install Linux ?
marble tundra
So, that worked, you managed to boot the USB, but now, it fail everytime ?
grave cedar
Yeah the 4080 GPU (previously working fine) seems to shut off after a variable amount of time, making me restart the installation process
marble tundra
ok... I cannot help much tonight, too tired for that... maybe this is another driver issue, but that seem odd. Try checking options in your BIOS, maybe optimize less aggressively...
Try install in failsafe mode
you have this option
grave cedar
Is failsafe mode the same as compatibility mode?
marble tundra
Also, did you disabled Secure Boot in bios ? It's not required for install, but if you install Nvidia drivers, Secure Boot MUST be disabled
marble tundra
Is failsafe mode the same as compatibility mode?
yes
marble tundra
so, try compatibility mode. If you manage to install like that, we'll se how to install Nvidia driver in rescue mode (of the installed Linux)
If you get the root (#) prompt... do that to install Nvidia Drivers:
apt update
apt install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-580
and reboot
reboot
grave cedar
Got it installed
Getting a lot of "could not resolve", can it use my Ethernet cable to connect to the Internet?
grave cedar
Still going bezerk on 5080 after installing these drivers
Fans not maxing out but no picture in recovery mode
marble tundra
Getting a lot of "could not resolve", can it use my Ethernet cable to connect to...
it should...
marble tundra
Still going bezerk on 5080 after installing these drivers
Are you sure the installation succeed ?
wispy frost
50 series only works with the open drivers
marble tundra
50 series only works with the open drivers
you mean the "nouveau" ?
wispy frost
I have a 5070ti, when I first installed I got a black screen and had to force my system into tty to install the correct drivers.
wispy frost
you mean the "nouveau" ?
the open source drivers
marble tundra
the "nouveau" is.. but clearly it does not work, that's why I ask
wispy frost
the official nvidia open drivers
marble tundra
The proprietaries ones, so...
wispy frost
they require a minimum kernel version, what version is mint using today?
marble tundra
6.17
wispy frost
ok it needs 6.16
fathom flare
6.17 is glitchy. I recommend sticking with 6.8 until 7 comes out.
marble tundra
anayway, it has a fresh install, so its kernel is certainly not 6.17, it should be 6.14
marble tundra
(wait)
fathom flare
Thus 6.8.1 which got a recent upgrade for Nvidia, AMD, etc.
marble tundra
I don't remember the kernel the USB come with
fathom flare
580?! It should be driver 590.
wispy frost
fathom flare
So they have 6.17, mistake. 580 instead of 590, mistake.
marble tundra
580?! It should be driver 590.
I started with 580 because Nvidia seem to have "deprecated" the 590...
it still time to make some tests
fathom flare
Yes. 580 has depreciated. Along with 6.14. Stick with stability.
wispy frost
they fixed the performance from 580 to 590 versions, like 12%
marble tundra
I have the impression that he didn't even manage to install the 580 drivers because of a network problem. So we'll have to check that first.
fathom flare
We'll have to wait for the person to come back before making any additional checks, such as power settings. (Performance)
marble tundra
google trad glitch.... this the morning here, no energy 😄
wispy frost
marble tundra
Also he should instal back its 5080, since he switched it for 4080 which does not work either (which is strange)
grave cedar
The 4080 did work previously, does work temporarily, and seems to work in compatibility mode.
I am not sure what the default kernal is, but I can select from 6.17 or one other version, can't recall off the top of my head. I didn't know apt update downloads the latest Linux kernel so I learned something new today.
I will switch back to the 4080, uninstall the 580 drivers, install 590 drivers, and then switch back to 5080 I guess....
marble tundra
The 4080 did work previously, does work temporarily, and seems to work in compat...
apt update only update the database, it install nothing. To install new packages you need apt upgrade
marble tundra
Getting a lot of "could not resolve", can it use my Ethernet cable to connect to...
I should have tell you, but did you typed mount -o remount,rw / once in recovery mode ?
I think you can do almost nothing without
So... go to the recovery mode prompt, then:
mount -o remount,rw /
apt update
apt install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-590
reboot
(I forget that recovery mode is in read-only)
grave cedar
I did not know that either 😄 but here we go
So "enable networking" says that it remounts in read/write mode
That's why my Ethernet didn't seem to be working before, I hadn't noticed this yet
marble tundra
ok
grave cedar
Same behavior after removing driver 580 and installing 590, both kernal version 6.17 and 6.14
marble tundra
but are sure install succeed ?
grave cedar
Based on the above, 6.8 is more stable but doesn't support these drivers anyways right?
marble tundra
ok
type nano /etc/default/grub
you will see a line with "quiet splash"
Remove the splash exit (Ctrl+X) and save
then type update-grub and reboot
grave cedar
I did that
marble tundra
ok, that disable the graphic loading screen, so you can see loading services, etc
grave cedar
I want to be clear, in order to test on the 5080 I have to physically swap out these huge graphics cards, so if you want me to attempt to boot now for testing on the 5080, you need to tell me as apposed to using recovery mode and running a command, which must be done on the 4080
marble tundra
what card is installed now, the 4080 ?
marble tundra
ok, keep the 4080 for now, let's try a reboot normally
watch what happen during boot, you may see error etc
marble tundra
which ? graphical or TTy ?
grave cedar
Graphical
grave cedar
marble tundra
bigscreen bigeye ? what is that ?
grave cedar
That's a great question
marble tundra
ok, that's it
grave cedar
marble tundra
ok, so drivers are not loaded... are you REALLY SURE that Secure Boot is disabled ?
grave cedar
Lemme double check
grave cedar
Oh I'm already in my terrible bios
marble tundra
take a photo of "Boot" options and "Security" options if you can
grave cedar
Hmmmm tpm settings?
grave cedar
MSI tomahawk something
marble tundra
Ok, some MSI bios are confusing, first you need to go advanced mode I think
grave cedar
grave cedar
marble tundra
where is this damn Secure Boot option...
grave cedar
Yeah this shit is annoying lol
marble tundra
Wait I chek on mine (reboot)
marble tundra
Ok, it was disabled ?
grave cedar
Yes
grave cedar
Standard or Custom
marble tundra
ok, keep standard
Try disabling TPM, even if as far as I know that does not interfer with drivers loading
grave cedar
Oki
marble tundra
then reboot, and we'll check if we got driver error
in a terminal type journalctl -p err
go the last page (Pg Dn)
marble tundra
nothing relevant for our Nvidia problem
grave cedar
Okay
marble tundra
quit that (Ctrl+C)
we will reinstall drivers
sudo apt remove xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-590
sudo apt remove xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-580
sudo apt autoremove
then go to Menu > Settings > Drivers manager
grave cedar
marble tundra
you removed everything ?
grave cedar
Yes
marble tundra
if so, reboot, and go back to Menu > Settings > Drivers manager
grave cedar
It was on the bottom selection
marble tundra
It was on the bottom selection
Ah !
grave cedar
Sorry
marble tundra
So apply... then reboot
marble tundra
once reboot, type inxi -Gxx again
marble tundra
that should not take longer than with splash
splash is only the graphic loading screen
grave cedar
It takes a long time to even reach the point where I see text
marble tundra
strange
grave cedar
Select Ubuntu from boot manager > waiting for boot messages > fans on GPU stop, speakers connected to monitor start making static noise
Same as yesterday when I was installing mint from USB drive
marble tundra
Windows worked properly ?
marble tundra
Stupid question, are sure you plugged all power cables to the graphic card ?
grave cedar
Big boi. So now my keyboard isn't working.
Makes it hard to get to the boot manager lol. Fixed.
marble tundra
Did you have Windows installed on this computer right know, or only not-working linux ?
grave cedar
Both
grave cedar
Yep
marble tundra
So, now, you cannot access Linux anymore, it crash at startup ?
marble tundra
ah !...
grave cedar
marble tundra
in inxi you mean ?
grave cedar
Yes
marble tundra
we'll try to enable splash again
grave cedar
Yeah I can manage that
marble tundra
ok, once you modified grub config, do not forget to update-grub
marble tundra
you restartd ? everything works ?
Another question, I see you have some watercooling or something like that with LCD scree, are you sure all this properly work when you boot up to Linux ?
Because it seem that some devices like this needs specific drivers to properly work...
grave cedar
Moment of truth
Uh
I'm not concerned with all that
The cooler's screen
FANS TO MAXIMUM, NO VIDEO OUTPUT GO!
Fak
That's on 5080 of course
marble tundra
So you installed the 5080, and it crashed...
grave cedar
I don't know what that is
marble tundra
Above 4G Decoding: Enabled
Re-Size BAR Support: Enabled
CSM: Disabled
But I cannot tell you exactly where
the CSM is already disabled I think
Try to go back to recovery mode, uninstall nvidia drivers, and see if you can boot like that
fathom flare
Whenever you get a new GPU. You should remove the driver from driver manager back to Noveau. Then install a fresh version, 590. Just as Sedenion mentioned.
marble tundra
Whenever you get a new GPU. You should remove the driver from driver manager bac...
the driver is compiled against the GPU type ?
(that was the question I asked myself)
fathom flare
I had to also let steam reinstall a bunch of plugins when I swapped GPUs.
marble tundra
interesting, so he must recompile the driver with the 5080 in... however, it seem that doing this via terminal in recovery mode did not work properly
Maybe a better way is to disable lightDM service to get a regular prompt
(instead of installing drivers via recovery mode)
fathom flare
A fresh reinstall through driver manager is the best method. Steam's process is automatic. All you have to do is log back in with a new GPU.
marble tundra
the problem here is that he can't even boot with "nouveau", so, steam is not the priority
grave cedar
I have not made it anywhere near installing applications
Idk what above 4G decoding does but I'll try that 👀
Holy crap that did it
marble tundra
Above 4G Decoding is a BIOS setting that allows the CPU to allocate memory addresses for PCIe devices beyond 4GB, which can improve performance, especially when using features like Resizable BAR.
marble tundra
I am surprised this is not enabled by default
I checked, on my BIOS this is enabled and I cannot disable it. Good thing to know that this option seem to be required for Nvidia drivers to properly work.
grave cedar
It says something about crypto mining in my motherboard so maybe it's because my hardware old 👀
marble tundra
I think I saw that too... and I probably would have disabled it if I could... but fortunately, the option is read-only on my side...
marble tundra
I think it's required because modern card have fare more than 4GB memory... so maybe when a card has only 8GB, the risk for crash is reduced for some reason, but I guess your 5080 have like 12 or 16 GB VRAM
I also guess that Linux have a different memory allocation mechanism than Windows... maybe it take less precaution and assume it can allocate what he want how he want.
grave cedar
16 yeah
fathom flare
You can install ClamUI from the Software Manager. It can scan your PC for viruses, malware. Highly recommended. Just make sure you have the time. It can take 2 days to scan 1.7m files. The less you have, the faster it goes.
grave cedar
Ye!
