installing Linux mint 22 on Dell Latitude 5430

[sonic crown]

hello everyone
hope you are all doing well
anyone have tried to install linux mint ( 20.xx , 21.xx, 22 ) on a dell latitude 5430 before and experienced a laggy display and mouse cursur laggy movement before even start installing?
the wierd thing is
same thing happen to most distros that i tried to install ( mx linux 23.xx, debian 11 & 12, linux mint 20 & 21 & 22, ubunutu 22.xx & 24.xx, Fedora 39 & 40, Q4OS 5.6 )
and the only one that works fine and perfectly is ubuntu 20.04

laptop specs
12gen intel i5 1250u vpro
32GB RAM
500GB NV2 Kingston
bios only support UEFI
secure boot disabled

Solution:

Edit /etc/default/grub
add i915.enable_psr=0
to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
it'll likely will look like this

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i915.enable_psr=0"

save, then run

sudo update-grub

and restart

[finite rivet]

did you install any of them?

[sonic crown]

in term of installation .. all of them can be installed , and work fine
the case is in both cases ( wether it is installed .. or in live from booted usb) the mouse cursur and the display it is way to slow and flickry as hell
when moving the cursur or clicking any menu or icon, i have to wait for 5 to 10 seconds to reflect on the screen

[finite rivet]

what is your GPU?

[sonic crown]

integrated on intel 12th gen i5 1250u

[finite rivet]

ah, sorry, no idea then. but dell distributes preinstalled ubuntu laptops on this exact model, so I don't see why it wouldn't work for you

[sonic crown]

it only works fine when i install ubuntu 20.04

[finite rivet]

https://ubuntu.com/certified/202110-29576

on their website, yes, only Ubuntu 20.04 is certified

I don't see why other versions would not be

I do not understand why there's a ❌ on Ubuntu 22.04 with the WiFi card

[sonic crown]

i just tried to install ubuntu 20.04 then i did upgrade to 22.04 and then it worked fine and cursur move fine
then when i did ( do-release-upgrade ) on the 22.04 to 24.04 it get bad

[finite rivet]

well, I am not sure what you'd do in this case

but here's a wild guess, remove the WiFi card temporarily and see if it works without that

[sonic crown]

i dont think so the issue is wifi card
because , all the distros i have tried detected it fine

i have experienced a similar issue before with another machine, where OS didn't use proper drivers for GPU , and the issue was UEFI settings as it was preventing OS from accessing the GPU properly
i am suspecting the same
because in this freaking laptop there is no option to use legacy boot in bios
and i have disabled secure boot in bios

[finite rivet]

there is no need to use legacy

you can wait for others, maybe they will have a better understanding of this

[slender belfry]

Please post the output of this command

inxi -G

when booted in Mint 22 (live or otherwise)

[whole tapir]

or rather inxi -Gxxx for more deep info including chip numbers

[sonic crown]

the one below is with ( sudo inxi -F )

[slender belfry]

They're both with -F We'd also like one with -Gxxx

[sonic crown]

mint@mint:~$ sudo inxi -Gxxx
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel Alder Lake-UP3 GT2 [Iris Xe Graphics] vendor: Dell driver: i915 v: kernel
arch: Gen-12.2 ports: active: eDP-1 empty: DP-1,DP-2,HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:46a8
class-ID: 0300
Display: server: X.org v: 1.21.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.6 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 tty: 140x68
Monitor-1: eDP-1 model: Sharp 0x1513 res: 1920x1080 dpi: 158 size: 309x174mm (12.17x6.85")
diag: 355mm (14") modes: 1920x1080
API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: intel iris platforms: device: 0 drv: iris device: 1 drv: swrast
surfaceless: drv: iris inactive: gbm,wayland,x11
API: OpenGL v: 4.6 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: mesa v: 24.0.9-0ubuntu0.1 note: console (EGL sourced)
renderer: Mesa Intel Graphics (ADL GT2), llvmpipe (LLVM 17.0.6 256 bits)

[whole tapir]

Intel Iris XE graphics. I don't think there's good support for it.

you can check Driver Manager in Linux Mint in case there's some suggested driver for it.

[slender belfry]

Things to try (on installed system)

Enable TearFree option:
Create file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf with this content

Section "Device"
Identifier "Intel Graphics"
Driver "intel"
Option "TearFree" "true"
EndSection

restart, see if it helps.

Edit /etc/default/grub and add to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT: this line

i915.enable_fbc=1 i915.enable_psr=0 i915.fastboot=1

Then run in terminal

sudo update-grub

and reboot

see if that helps

Also you can try for newer driver

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kisak/kisak-mesa
sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade

[sonic crown]

@slender belfry @whole tapir @finite rivet
first
I have to say thank you very much for your time and help
second
i will try this today, and will get back to you alll with the results

[sonic crown]

@slender belfry
i have installed ubuntu 20.04.6
which is the working fine
and ran (inxi -G)
and the results are

[finite rivet]

try to sudo apt update sudo apt install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-20.04

[sonic crown]

then ??
what it will do for me ?

[finite rivet]

install the HWE linux

[sonic crown]

on the ubuntu 20.xx or on the distros that have the issue ??

[finite rivet]

on your current system

[sonic crown]

it is alreay installed

[finite rivet]

https://github.com/bkw777/mainline

try to install this tool. and then install kernel 6.8 or 6.11. I want to see if the issue is with newer kernels that somehow break your system.

[sonic crown]

btw
on ubuntu 20.04 i have no issues in term of display
but other popular distros have the issue

just wanted to understand.. do u want me to install newer kernel on the ubuntu 20.04 to check if the issue with the kernel .. correct ??

(sorry for bad english .. it is not my native) @finite rivet

[finite rivet]

yes

because Ubuntu 20.04 comes with some ancient kernel, iirc 5.4

also please share output of inxi -N

[sonic crown]

ok

ok .. thanks god u explained it
coz i was about to install mint 22 on the laptop 🤣

[finite rivet]

xD

[sonic crown]

@finite rivet
i just installed mainline kernels
now i run it and install 6.8 or 6.11 kernel then reboot using the new kernel ... correct ?

[finite rivet]

Yes.

[sonic crown]

results after installing before reboot

[finite rivet]

well, it produced some error, but see if you can reboot

[sonic crown]

the issue happen
now mouse laggy

[finite rivet]

okay, so it really seems to be an issue with the kernel?

[sonic crown]

yeah .. it is

[finite rivet]

when you start your computer, does a black menu appear? saying Ubuntu, advanced options for Ubuntu?

[sonic crown]

no

[finite rivet]

you can start your computer and then press/spam ESC, then it should appear. check if it does

[sonic crown]

@finite rivet
on top right
an error popped up

[finite rivet]

well, I'm not sure if it's possible to fix it. for now, leave it alone.

try to see if you can get the black menu please

[sonic crown]

im in grub CLI now @finite rivet

[finite rivet]

show what you see

[finite rivet]

press ESC?

[finite rivet]

okay good. use arrow keys to move to Ubuntu entry, then press e. Then show what you see

[sonic crown]

u mean advanced option for ubuntu ?

[finite rivet]

No, Ubuntu

[finite rivet]

well, you can try to e on the first line too

[finite rivet]

yes this

[finite rivet]

okay, in the line linux, at the end after $vt_handoff, type modprobe.blacklist=iwlwifi

it must be the same line to work

[sonic crown]

like this ?? 👆🏼

[finite rivet]

yes

now press F10

this will temporarily disable WiFi, until next reboot

[sonic crown]

Q: the issue is with display not wifi
why we are disabling wifi ??

[finite rivet]

troubleshooting

[sonic crown]

mouse and display still laggy after booting

[finite rivet]

:(

wait, according to Ubuntu, your laptop should have a different WIFI

[slender belfry]

Does wifi actually work though?

[sonic crown]

yes it does work

[finite rivet]

ohhhh

try inxi -Nx

[sonic crown]

it worked before i wrote the command that @finite rivet guided me to type

and after i rebooted

[sonic crown]

after i rebooted
here is the inxi screenshot

[finite rivet]

hmmm

[slender belfry]

@finite rivet Compare those 2 outputs, it seems newer kernel recognizes gpu better, but works worse somehow, and the older kernel uses more generic driver...... that works better somehow?

[sonic crown]

and here is inxi -Gxxx after new kernel

[finite rivet]

seems to be the same?

[slender belfry]

Left one recognizes as Iris XE

[finite rivet]

ah right, not sure why then

well, my only suggestion for now is to try and disable networking. but I'm not sure what the modules are named.

[finite rivet]

try to do the same thing with GRUB as before, but add modprobe.blacklist=r8152,e1000e,iwlwifi

[slender belfry]

@sonic crown Have you tried those?

[sonic crown]

i completely forgot to do it

[sonic crown]

is this what u ment to be written inside the file 20-intel.conf ??

[slender belfry]

Yes, but it won't likely have an effect since it works fine on ubuntu 20.04

[sonic crown]

i already changed the kernel on 20.04 from 5.4 to 6.8 and 6.11
and both had the same issue as other distros

[slender belfry]

Can you please do inxi -GS again then, please

[finite rivet]

when you can achieve the no network state, please ping me

[sonic crown]

after creating the file 20-intel.conf
it is not allowing me to logon into ubuntu

[sonic crown]

i really appreciate your efforts and time to help me on my issue
and thank you very very much for what u r doing to me

but what i would like to understand is why you are trying to disable wifi or network and i dont have any issue with it and my issue is display/gpu and not netwotk and connectivity
im not following your logic of troubleshooting
would u mind to elaborate please

[finite rivet]

https://ubuntu.com/certified/component/968

after using the new kernel, the issue appears.

so by not using the broken device, the issue could disappear

[sonic crown]

so disabling a non-certified wifi adapter could solve laggy display issue ??

[slender belfry]

@finite rivet@sonic crown Another way to unload network drivers is

sudo modprobe -r e1000e iwlwifi r8152

although I'm not seeing the connection between those and gpu

[finite rivet]

i don't know, maybe

[slender belfry]

what do you mean?

[sonic crown]

when i type password .. it wont log in

[slender belfry]

Can you press CTRL+ALT+F5 (or other F key) and login there?

[sonic crown]

sorry .. im at work and was busy with customers

[sonic crown]

i have fresh installed ubuntu 20.04 again

[slender belfry]

Alright.... 20.04 uses 5.4 kernel I think? 22.04 uses 5.15 and 24.04 uses 6.8 I think.

If you install 5.15 do you still have troubles?

[sonic crown]

will try 5.15
im currently installing mainline tool

[slender belfry]

You can check the currently used kernel with

inxi -S

or

uname -r

[sonic crown]

i did apt full-upgrade
and rebooting

current kernel for ubuntu 20.04.6
kernel 5.15.0-122-generic

before changing anything

@slender belfry which kernel should i try ?

[slender belfry]

oh... it's already uses 5.15...... So, ubuntu 22.04 and mint 21.3 should be fine too.

What's the latest available?

[sonic crown]

mint 21 and ubuntu 22 have laggy issues

[slender belfry]

try the latest kernel.

[sonic crown]

6.11 i tried before
laggy

gonna try 5.19.17

result after installing and before reboot

5.19.17
is freaking laggy

[finite rivet]

can you PLEASE try to disable the network driver

[slender belfry]

Also, I noticed that in kernels higher than 5.15 is uses llvmpipe, which is software renderer along with XE driver, I don't really know why though, but that's maybe what causes lagginess

@sonic crown And yeah, unload network drivers, so that we can rule that out

[sonic crown]

i forced to load 5.15.0
so u can enjoy moving mouse and windows back and forth

now how to disable network? (lan and wifi )
then i will load newer kernel
and see what happen

[slender belfry]

try
sudo modprobe -r e1000e iwlwifi r8152

[finite rivet]

try this in 6.8+ kernel, where your graphics are broken

[sonic crown]

will do once i disable it

[sonic crown]

loaded 6.8 kernel

[sonic crown]

applied modprobe command @slender belfry provided to disable network
now rebooting

[slender belfry]

if you reboot it'll turn on again. Just disable the network with a command and see if it affects your laggines. Also, do inxi -N after the command

[sonic crown]

laggish didnt go btw

[slender belfry]

Ok, try this: Edit /etc/default/grub add i915.enable_psr=0 to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT it'll likely will look like this

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i915.enable_psr=0"

save, then run

sudo update-grub

and restart

[sonic crown]

is this correct ?

[slender belfry]

yes, now save, run sudo update-grub and restart

[finite rivet]

do you have internet?

[sonic crown]

FINALLY .. IT WORKED

[slender belfry]

Ok, then it should work on mint 22 as well

[sonic crown]

hell yes
that is the whole point
mint22 ftw

thank you so much for your efforts and your time
@finite rivet @slender belfry

[slender belfry]

You're welcome, don't forget to mark as solved, if it'll work on mint

[sonic crown]

of course

and btw
when i boot mint 22 live cd compatoble mode.. no laggy at all
but normal one laggy comes up

[finite rivet]

you need to use what maniak provided

[finite rivet]

you're a smartass btw 🫡

[slender belfry]

Compatibility mode doesn't load many drivers - that's why it's not lagging, but the performance is very basic

[slender belfry]

You have to be, dealing with linux

[sonic crown]

mint22 installed
added i915.enable in grub
updated grub
rebooting

IT WORKED

now display works great

how do i set this post to solved?
@slender belfry