Nvim Talk moment

[dusk wharf]

so yeah, powerline.vim is being a b right now on a fresh nvim install lmao

/usr/share/vim/vimfiles/plugin/powerline.vim[82]..function provider#python3#Call[1]
..remote#host#Require[10]..provider#python3#Require, line 1: Vim(return):E5108: Err
or executing lua /usr/share/vim/vimfiles/plugin/powerline.vim[82]..function provide
r#python3#Call[1]..remote#host#Require[10]..provider#python3#Require[1]..provider#P
oll, line 17: Failed to load python3 host. You can try to see what happened by star
ting nvim with $NVIM_PYTHON_LOG_FILE set and opening the generated log file. Also,
the host stderr is available in messages.
stack traceback:
[C]: at 0x55697d934972
[C]: at 0x55697d934972
[C]: in function 'pcall'
/usr/share/nvim/runtime/lua/vim/provider/python.lua:132: in function </usr/
share/nvim/runtime/lua/vim/provider/python.lua:125>

[orchid oak]

gathering the new stable release didnt fix, okay
wanna send what your vimrc has right quick?

[dusk wharf]

wait, I ran the pip command there and it's taking a bit

[orchid oak]

oh?

[dusk wharf]

f%ck

exit code: 128

[dusk wharf]

where do I find that?

jic I ran the find command

welp, neither

[orchid oak]

no longer sure thats an issue, i think that was pip changing https getting syntax at some point

[dusk wharf]

then what is it?

[orchid oak]

pip install powerline-status

may not dump a weird exit code

[dusk wharf]

nah

it's already there lol

so idk why is it doing that if it's already installed

[orchid oak]

neat. ill check the github for similar issues

if i had to guess, missing bindings?
:checkhealth

[dusk wharf]

there are a couple here, config file missing, failed run healthcheck, ruby, perl, npm... I'll just guess these last ones are optional

[orchid oak]

well those would be the busted bindings, hm

[dusk wharf]

although wouldn't surprise me, this shit has no nvim folder in .config

[orchid oak]

in .config, there should be an nvim folder, what does that currently look like?

oh. hm

[dusk wharf]

like my love life, non-existent

[orchid oak]

you dont still have the apt version installed, do you?

[dusk wharf]

I installed through dnf at first

(remember, fedora)

anyway, do I just make the folder

[orchid oak]

oh, sorry
if dnf has a purge style command, do that for your repos nvim and rerun the new nvim, see if it makes the config file as it should

if not, then yes, make that folder

[dusk wharf]

nah, just did it myself

[orchid oak]

there's a config folder somewhere in your system, probably in /usr/bin/nvim

if im right, find init.lua and pop that in the nvim config folder you just made

init.vim, srry

im looking at so many lua files rn lmao

[dusk wharf]

also just to confirm, tried purge but doesn't exist, and I already uninstalled nvim on it's own and just used the executable

[orchid oak]

that'll work, my experience with fedora isnt great, sorry

[dusk wharf]

(and probably this is scuffed, but I made a small alias in bashrc just to save me some time)

[orchid oak]

same

[dusk wharf]

it's fine, this is of the few times I have to deal with issues in linux

goddamnit it's still showing the powerline shit

[orchid oak]

nvim hates me too, dw
actually considering helix for that reason but whatevs

was there a config for nvim in bin?

fuck, why is that still being a bitch?

dont suppose :checkhealth even remotely changed?

[dusk wharf]

just guessing by the initial msg

it's the first thing that pops up

welp, there's an nvim file in bin, that's as much

[orchid oak]

i guess move the contents of that over, including the init
im not sure why it refused to access either config location for the bindings

[dusk wharf]

it's a file, not a damn folder lol

[orchid oak]

just a folder called lua?

oh wait

[dusk wharf]

absolutely nothing

an absolute "Go make your own files, lazy-ass neckbeard."

[orchid oak]

okay what the actual hell

[dusk wharf]

man if I don't manage to solve this I probably will just switch to standard vim lol

(although just now I heard from Tillo that there are forks of nvim)

[orchid oak]

helix is what im considering, if thats what you wanna do, supposed to be great out of the box

im sorry, im actually stumped, i have no clue why the hell nvim wont make a config with an init

thats absolutely why it wont access the python binding to run powerline

but... WHY?!

[dusk wharf]

it's like it has an issue but it doesn't want to solve the issue it has

[orchid oak]

i cant find anything even remotely close to this on nvims github, you could try following someone elses config structure (there's a lot, people love to share this stuff), but genuinely

im lost, my issues have never been that deep

[dusk wharf]

and to think something as simple as nvim would be this much of a hassle

[orchid oak]

yea this is dumb, and whats funny is i know people who use nvim on fedora without these kinds of issues
i guess close the thread unless you wanna ask others, which may help, who knows

im gonna go try helix and see how easy it is

[dusk wharf]

tried it, and it's basically nvim if it had identity crisis

(help is now tutor)

that's about enough to tell me that it'll be something probably 80% new

[orchid oak]

kakoune is another popular option

[dusk wharf]

also it triggers me that this shit doesn't have a default command to open it

YOU ARE FUCKING SUPPOSED TO LAUNCH IT

[dusk wharf]

idk, I may keep it open for if anyone else has a better solution, I want to keep hope

what the f- not even a launch option?

can't launch it from terminal nor from the launcher menu

[orchid oak]

if you mean nvim, my alias is ./-ing it

[dusk wharf]

oh nvm, kakoune is kak... bruh

[orchid oak]

OH

yea, prolly alias that to something more native

even my nvim is aliased as vi

[dusk wharf]

yeah, I'll keep a bunch of editors and will be using them separately

[orchid oak]

some would call that bloat, but hey, whatever works for you personally

[dusk wharf]

it may be bloat but I want to see what I can do with each one, yknow?

[orchid oak]

fair enough
imma hop back to gen btw

[dusk wharf]

I've never been one to dislike ditching on options if I haven't tried them before

ok, cya I guess

[dusk wharf]

@orchid oak so, I've been trying both kakoune and hx for the time being

[orchid oak]

works well for you, i hope

i went through with setting up language servers for helix

easier than i thought it'd be

[dusk wharf]

yeah, kakoune is closer to a default nvim, while helix is nvim with a theme

although kakoune doesn't have a help command, rather singular docs for diff topics

also it seems like kakoune has it's own set of new commands including "c" on normal mode

as far as I remember rn, <c-o> is for enabling autocompletion

[orchid oak]

thats kinda neat

[dusk wharf]

also made an alias for both hx and kak (vix for helix and vik for kakoune )

[orchid oak]

lmao that works

i just have em both on PATH

[dusk wharf]

and it's more comfortable than one would expect

[dusk wharf]

tried to set it but idk how to tbh, the blogs I've read don't seem to be that useful...

that or I'm dumb, which is also a possibility lol

[orchid oak]

export PATH='~/path/to/folder/the/bins/in':PATH$

pop that somewhere in your .bashrc and restart your terminal

then you can just type hx or kak

but aliasing it works just fine as well

[dusk wharf]

AAAH, nah, I wanted to simply rename the commands

[orchid oak]

oh lmao

[dusk wharf]

also deciding whether to use sudo or not with the alias

but it seems like that's not possible or something lol

[orchid oak]

not necessary, really

[dusk wharf]

(so like "sudo vik" for if I need extra privileges for editing a file, or simply "vik" for if I'll just edit a random file)

[orchid oak]

oh, im reasonably sure sudo would use root users bashrc, which likely does not have the same aliases set

but editing root users bashrc is not recommended

[dusk wharf]

I see... I mean, it's not much of a hassle to be typing my pasw for each time I wanna run either of them. But it's still just a bit annoying to go through that just for renaming the goddamn launch command for both helix and kakoune

and since they're essentially vim with extra steps (like nvim), I thought it'd be fun to simply replace the "m" with "h" or "k" for them

[orchid oak]

wait how are you setting your aliases?

[dusk wharf]

simply an alias in bashrc

[orchid oak]

oh, thats correct
shouldnt need to type any password just to launch your aliased hx or kak

[dusk wharf]

the thing is, that if I have to choose between absolutely needing sudo bc of the alias system and only being able to use it without privileges, I'd rather set it using sudo

like "alias vik="sudo kak" "

[orchid oak]

ah well, that should be possible, no?

tho its probably better to edit root files with something else since it shouldnt be something you need to do often

[dusk wharf]

I mean, I barely ever mess with root files if at all, so having to use sudo isn't that worrying for me

[orchid oak]

fair, im using nano or ed to mess with root files if i absolutely have to, but again, not very often
at least those are always on superusers path

[dusk wharf]

I'm already used to having to run all kind of shit with admin privileges since windows

[orchid oak]

lmao fair, there's far better ways to handle that sort of thing in linux

should probably close this thread btw

[dusk wharf]

I mean, thought it'd be fair to use it to talk about nvim-like editors

[orchid oak]

thats fine i suppose, dont think anyone else is following the thread besides us two

[dusk wharf]

yeah, could notice

the one with the issue and the guy who tried to help but ended up even more confused

[orchid oak]

bro idfk what nvim hated you for

im still checking the github for similar issues, its just not a thing

[dusk wharf]

I guess for not setting up the environment it was supposed to use, when it could've just done that by itself??

[orchid oak]

real, idk why it refused to put a config file anywhere

it just popped into my .config when i first ran the binary

[dusk wharf]

the worst thing is for it to have happened, despite using dnf to install it at first

[orchid oak]

best guess, fedora decided to handle that in some magical way i cant understand as a non-fedora user

[dusk wharf]

iao was confused about why I had called fedora "Debian + Arch"

[orchid oak]

its debian but needlessly alien, i completely understand lol

anyways, i got rust to learn, ill ttyl

[dusk wharf]

okay, cya ig

[dusk wharf]

@orchid oak hey, have you found the file kakrc?

I've been thinking of configuring kak but, just like with nvim, I can't seem to find the config file anywhere

[orchid oak]

.config/kak/ is where it should be, ill check the docs if thats not correct

https://github.com/mawww/kakoune#configuration-autoloading

[dusk wharf]

that's why I'm asking, because I can't find shit

what the actual fuck, I now find the nvim config folder but no shit about kak

[orchid oak]

lmao neat

output of this, please

printenv XDG_CONFIG_HOME

[dusk wharf]

nothing

[orchid oak]

ah that explains some things
put this somewhere in your .bashrc

export XDG_CONFIG_HOME=$HOME/.config

[dusk wharf]

damn, it took me long before remembering where do apps store their configs besides .config and /home/share

[orchid oak]

kakrc in share is apparently the init script that shouldnt be modified, and it will be what loads your .config/kak/kakrc

https://imfrom.github.io/post/configuring-kakoune-kakrc/

better worded explanation than that of just the github

[dusk wharf]

yeah, figured out. Just now did it, but I still don't see shit in .config so... idk

[orchid oak]

still left to wonder why nvim config just now showed up... log out, log back in, see if it appears?

if not, just make it, add in something and see if kakrc init does load it in

[dusk wharf]

same, it feels as if somehow kakoune summoned it

[orchid oak]

at this point, wouldnt even remotely be surprised

[dusk wharf]

Guess I'll have to try and make it

[dusk wharf]

I never expected something as simple as this to be so frustrating

I can't fucking find the key for looking through the autocompletion 😭

I've been playing around with my keyboard and I can't seem to find any key for it

you gotta be kidding me, it's so damn uncomfortable to use using ctrl + n...

[dusk wharf]

is it me or kakoune's docs are confusing as hell

@orchid oak srry to be bothering you this late, just respond when you can lol. Do you have any idea if this is valid in kak?

Nvim Talk moment

[orchid oak]

not a clue, may want to refer to some example configs

[dusk wharf]

there doesn't seem to be much tbh, and the plugins page is both outdated and uncomfortable, has no fucking search option 😭

[dusk wharf]

nvm, had to search for a hot moment before remembering github has a wiki option