Mint won't install on Acer ES1-533

[amber kettle]

at least u have like 6 GB RAM anyway

[wise reef]

it sounds like it's alive

[wise reef]

4GB of ddr3

[amber kettle]

oh right

that's pretty low for 2016 model

or was it 2018?

[wise reef]

2016

I think this was like, an entry level one

[amber kettle]

cuz the one I had from 2010/2011 had 4 GB

4 is fine if u dont crowd the memory with unnecessary open garbage anyway

[wise reef]

I think that 8gb or 16gb is the golden spot currently

where the normal person wont need any more than that

[amber kettle]

mhm

light gamer 8 GB

heavier gamer 16 GB

on linux even u coud do professional audio work with 4GB proper

[amber kettle]

oh i was gonna show u this other appimage just for fun while i was looking b4 at the audio players

[wise reef]

the patter

[amber kettle]

https://www.appimagehub.com/p/1535902

[wise reef]

in case you miss it

[wise reef]

Vvave

[amber kettle]

yeah idk

[wise reef]

pinephone

[amber kettle]

seems to have arm64 download for ARM processors

but also has amd64 appimage so

i imagine could work for computer

[wise reef]

I can try and download it for my phone

[amber kettle]

try on the computer

[wise reef]

linux and android are technically compatible, arent them?

[amber kettle]

when ready.. just for kicks anyway

[amber kettle]

i wouldnt say that

ppl have to get android emulators even on linux

[wise reef]

android is based on linux, I heared

[amber kettle]

like idk waydroid or something

no idea about any of that

but in general chat they're always yapping about such things

[wise reef]

I played pokemon go on phone emulators

cause I couldnt get some of them

[amber kettle]

so the phone emulator app ran on ur Windows, u mean?

[wise reef]

yeah

Nox emulator or bluestacks

[amber kettle]

oh i heard of bluestacks. just never had Windows in a long time so

[wise reef]

I dont know what windows looks like anymore

[amber kettle]

on windows I was always scared n paranoid that ANY exe file (especially one not paid for or from a purchased CD) could fk me

becuz of the easy easy easy spread of virus code on windows via exe

[wise reef]

ooh same, and I download a lot of them

Cause I hate microsoft store

[amber kettle]

malwares?

[wise reef]

hopefully not, .exe

[amber kettle]

oh u meant exe's in general

[wise reef]

yes

[amber kettle]

yeah i last used Windows 7 which was before the "store"

[wise reef]

I remember using win 7

[amber kettle]

some more reputable ones I gave my trust in . like GOM player

[wise reef]

I got a minecraft DVD

[amber kettle]

back in the day, I liked GOM over VLC to play old FLV (flash video) files

[wise reef]

from my aunt

[amber kettle]

is that a full game installer on DVD?

[wise reef]

Damn, that is quite old

[amber kettle]

or sum add-on thing

[wise reef]

I dont quite remember, I was... like... 6 lol

It was the 1.6.4 version of the game

[amber kettle]

ah

[wise reef]

And I made my first house once I learned how to walk and look around

It had redstone walls and glowstone floors

[amber kettle]

u know Microsoft for a while sold Encarta on a CD

[wise reef]

one room had lapis lazuli, and the roof was cobweb

[amber kettle]

which was a multimedia rich encyclopedia

[wise reef]

I think I heared of something like that

Digital encyclopedias

[amber kettle]

yes it was popular until the rise of Wikipedia made that more up to date n volumous

I still LOVE the idea of Encarta or anything on a CD-ROM

simply because it doesn't make u slave to the internet

[wise reef]

Did you ever play lsd dream emulator?

[amber kettle]

u dont have to pay internet bill and have software and info on CD

[wise reef]

Oh I get you, it sucks to have to always be connected

[amber kettle]

no i barely play games

[wise reef]

Hmm, you should, it's a fun experience

[amber kettle]

meh

only game I like is what I've seen on youtube

Carmageddon Reincarnation

and Doom 1 and 2 with Russian Overkill mod

Russian overkill 3.0

and the Duke Nukem 3D 25th anniversary World Tour

along with Duke Nukem Savior of the Babes mod.. omg the firepower is insane!

[wise reef]

Based tbh

[amber kettle]

absolutely insane

they also did Serious Duke

which is a nearly-professional fanmade mod using the assets from Duke Nukem Forever, plus the game engine of Serious Sam and the maps of classic Duke 3D but wildly cooler scenery

[wise reef]

it does sound interesting, I'll make sure to look up gameplay for it

[amber kettle]

and i played a few driving games not many years ago

Burnout revenge from PS-2 was very addictive to me

i really liked it a lot

[wise reef]

Oh I know that one, I played it a couple of times

[amber kettle]

yes . so fun blowing up own car 😄

[wise reef]

JAJSJDHDJS yes

[amber kettle]

and smashing others out of contention

full-contact racing

full REVENGE

[wise reef]

I prefered need for speed tho, cause I could tune cars

[amber kettle]

ah yeah.

[wise reef]

and my burnout dvd got broken-

by my cousin

[amber kettle]

scratched?

or literally smashed

[wise reef]

No, like... split in half

[amber kettle]

awwwww

[wise reef]

☠️

[amber kettle]

😢

[wise reef]

I have a ps2 here

that external HD was for games

[amber kettle]

I got Burnout Paradise DVD (used) only demo play works cuz it's scratched bad

so never got to play.

[wise reef]

the disc reader is broken

[amber kettle]

it didn't look badly scratched in the shop

just a bit here n there

nah the laser is fine, it plays other games

[wise reef]

They do that sometimes

I've got a blue transparent and a red transparent controller

And I want to buy a transparent casing for it

[amber kettle]

i might just order a Burnout Revenge new one day

[wise reef]

I like transparent stuff

[amber kettle]

still have a working PS2

sorry, not Revenge, Paradise

[wise reef]

dope

[amber kettle]

how's that MX thing moving along now?

[wise reef]

same place

[amber kettle]

hmm

another 6 minutes will be one hour

[wise reef]

I could go to sleep and leave it running

[amber kettle]

scratchiong my head if it makes sense

does it take an hour to write 18 GB on a hard drive?

i'd guess more like... 1 Gig per minute

or faster

but i guess if u wanna leave it over night

wouldnt hurt no one

[wise reef]

honestly, worst case scenario using a USB 2.0 would be 5 minutes apparently

[amber kettle]

oh no way

no hang on

USB 2.0 writing to cheap Flash, yes probably hour or more

[wise reef]

Sequential Read: 560 MB/s
Random Read: 95,000 IOPS
Random Write: 84,000 IOPS
Endurance: 200 TBW
Warranty: 5 Years

hd western digital

[amber kettle]

USB 2.0 writing 18 GB to SSD, probably like... less than 1 minute

no sorry

[wise reef]

oh sorry, it's an ssd

[amber kettle]

18 GB to SSD over usb 2 would probably be like.... 6 minutes

in my rough rough estimation

[wise reef]

High performance 7200 RPM Class spin speed, up to 64MB cache and SATA 6Gb/s interface for the ultimate in power computing for notebooks.

[amber kettle]

lol

they always use that silly high interface number

the sustained write speed is the limiting factor

[wise reef]

oh

[amber kettle]

in the case or specs u said above,

[amber kettle]

560 MB/s that's ridiculous.

unless they mean bits not bytes

[wise reef]

it was an ssd, I read it wronf

[wise reef]

this one is right tho

[amber kettle]

yeah that makes more sense, like an nvme

[wise reef]

By my calculations, it should take 15 minutes at 5mb/s

[amber kettle]

from what I recall ages ago, most hard drives have a write/read speed (sustained) around 90 to 100 MEGABYTES (binary) per sec

[wise reef]

which I'd assume the HD can do

[wise reef]

to do 18GiB

[amber kettle]

lets say even 80 MB per sec

18 x 1024

[wise reef]

yeah it should be done by now

I'll just plug the cord

[amber kettle]

nooo

i mean wait a sec

[wise reef]

I wait

[amber kettle]

is making sound?

better let it stay overnight just so incase to not corrupt the drive shutting it down while writing n stuff.

[wise reef]

yes but it might just be doing weird random stuff

[amber kettle]

u can play around tomorrow

[wise reef]

sure then

[amber kettle]

been like an hour 3 min

[wise reef]

I'll put it on a safe place

and put an alarm up at 3am to check on it

[amber kettle]

but yeah if u wake up hopefully it booted 😄 keep plugged into power

lol ur gonna interrupt ur sleep at 3 am?

[wise reef]

I mean, probably not tbh

I'll wake up and ignore

[amber kettle]

same with me

for sure.

[wise reef]

Anyway, I'll get some rest from linux

[amber kettle]

ok

yeah do that ur an hour ahead of my tie

[wise reef]

the last 3 to 4 days has been me trying to boot this up

[amber kettle]

time

[wise reef]

and we kinda got it working already so it's good enough

[amber kettle]

check out rn savior of babes duke nukem by Campaign Capton

[wise reef]

I was going to ask for help on linux discord but I got afraid

[amber kettle]

on youtube

sick sick gameplay of a great classic with the wild weapons of the mod

[wise reef]

I'll watch it to sleep lol

geomancim

[amber kettle]

haha u'll be on the edge of seat

[wise reef]

Oh french

[amber kettle]

ok goodnight

[wise reef]

this is cool

[wise reef]

good night and sleep well ^^

thanks for everything, have sweet dreams

[amber kettle]

yw gn

[acoustic shard]

Cha, when you get back online, run and send the file from your desktop here
cat /etc/default/grub > ~/Desktop

[wise reef]

hello

I cant sleep because of the pc being on, it's not really going anywhere though

should I turn it off?

[acoustic shard]

is it installing vlc?

[wise reef]

No, XM

other linux distro

partial instal, whatever. It didn't work

[acoustic shard]

oh, like it hanged itself while installing?

just like LMDE?

[wise reef]

Probably, it took like, 1 and a half second to turn off

almost instant, if not that.

so there was nothing being executed

I believe

I got into mint, it's really early for me though, 4AM

[acoustic shard]

uh are you what are you gonna do now

[wise reef]

.

[acoustic shard]

ah ok

[wise reef]

Is a directory

[acoustic shard]

oh I am sleeping

add /grubcfg.txt at the end of desktop

[wise reef]

Oh it's okay, we can do this later lol

[wise reef]

didn't exist, but it appeared on desktop now

[acoustic shard]

paste the thing here

[acoustic shard]

duh that's what the command did

[wise reef]

Oh KSHWJH ofc

I cant send it

it errors

but it's empty

[acoustic shard]

what

[wise reef]

I'll put it in mediafire

[acoustic shard]

ok

[wise reef]

https://www.mediafire.com/file/1juvqlu2ri8ia77/grubcfg.txt/file

[acoustic shard]

why is the file empty
did I lose my brain

[wise reef]

oh ok

[acoustic shard]

yk what just open the etc default folder in your file explorer and copy the grub file here

[wise reef]

I created it again and it worked

[acoustic shard]

lol

[wise reef]

.

now discord cooperates too

I put the GRUB_INSTALL_OPTIONS="--no-nvram" line, but it didn't really work I believe

[acoustic shard]

ok it's ok

now in terminal
sudo update-grub

[wise reef]

sudo su first?

ah whatever it just asks for password :P

[acoustic shard]

na not needed

[acoustic shard]

reboot your pc

[wise reef]

turning it on

[acoustic shard]

bro there is a deer outside my house

[wise reef]

shikonokonoko

[wise reef]

Is she friendly?

[acoustic shard]

I mean it just walked away

I didn't talk to her

[wise reef]

Damn...

Okay it booted up again

[acoustic shard]

ok now run
sudo dpkg --configure -a

[wise reef]

I'm afraid

ok... it froze

[acoustic shard]

bro the heck it's not supposed to

I have one last solution and it's to remove grub-efi, maybe then dpkg will act like everything's fine

[wise reef]

Is that a bit dangerous or?

[acoustic shard]

nah I don't think so

[wise reef]

We can try that, just let me boot repair

[acoustic shard]

it could in theory mean you aren't getting some security updates for grub, but it shouldn't matter tbh

[wise reef]

if it works it works

could that work?

apt-get install -f

[acoustic shard]

does it have a solution later on?

[wise reef]

https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=136428

yes I think

although, his issue is not the same

I don't really think we'll find much documentation so it's worth a try if grub efi fails

[acoustic shard]

can you do
sudo apt remove grub-efi?

[wise reef]

no

I need to run sudo dpkg --configure -a

sigh

[acoustic shard]

seriously???

[wise reef]

yes..

[acoustic shard]

okay uh can we maybe uh

[acoustic shard]

sudo dpkg --configure grub-efi

[wise reef]

throw the laptop out and find whoever made these drivers?

[acoustic shard]

yes

sudo dpkg --configure grub-efi-amd64

[wise reef]

aaaand it froze

any shortcuts I could use?

or try

[acoustic shard]

not that I am aware of, sorry

not really sure what to do in this situation

[wise reef]

gonna boot repair

[acoustic shard]

okay

we're in a fucking loop babe

[wise reef]

Oh why?

We might need something from outside to break the loop?

[acoustic shard]

because when dpkg configure is ran, it crashes the system. on next boot, it complains that your system crashed while running dpkg and that you need to configure dpkg again

[wise reef]

oh

yep that's....

Not great

I'll fix the boot loader and get a fedora ISO

so if it doesnt work out we can install that

or just Windows idk

[acoustic shard]

okay

fedora has an option that won't write to NVRAM, and I think that won't hang up your install. but it may not work when you try to update your system.

[wise reef]

What is Nvram?

[acoustic shard]

if you want, we can install windows 1st so that you have it as a failsafe

[acoustic shard]

it's what tells your BIOS/UEFI how to boot your system. this laptop causes a crash when written to it.

so when we don't write, we have to then install the bootloader ourselves and copy over the boot files

[wise reef]

why tf

[acoustic shard]

because Acer failed to make proper firmware for it

[wise reef]

Honestly

One question, can people write firmware?

[acoustic shard]

@hearty badge you may know anything about fixing this?

[wise reef]

And could I learn how to so I could make a proper one for this?

It really doesn't sound that hard to make a proper one

that doesnt crash that easily

[acoustic shard]

eh, I don't know how these stuff work, but some nerds who study half their life learning this probably can.

[wise reef]

Well, I have quite some time at hand, might aswell look a bit into it

[acoustic shard]

trust me, if it was this easy, someone with programming skills would already write it

this laptop was made in 2016 and people have been trying to install Linux normally on it since then

[wise reef]

well, you're right

https://youtu.be/iOHznTxEa68

[hearty badge]

I am not good with software issues, sorry.

[wise reef]

said nothing about debian...

[hearty badge]

Ubuntu/Mint are on a Debian base, so most restrictions are inherited.

[acoustic shard]

ah, okay.

[wise reef]

Yeah uhm, lot, the dude had the same issue and gave up on it

[acoustic shard]

uhh why is he staring into my soul

[wise reef]

He knows that we too dared to challenge the machine

[acoustic shard]

I mean, we can probably get it working, somehow. but Idk if it's worth repairing LMDE rn, we can at most try to reinstall it or try MX. fedora would probably work too, but I'm a bit scared cause grub is wonky on fedora

[wise reef]

reinstalling lmde sounds... plausible

we can try MX too

and if it doesn't work I'll just have to install windows

and make it very clear to not install linux on ES1

so no other human tries that

[acoustic shard]

we know the instructions now so it should be much quicker

[wise reef]

Tbh yeah, I'll boot it live

[acoustic shard]

boot windows first if you want both them

[wise reef]

okay

I wonder how Microsoft got windows to run

"yes, this post is a long time ago lol my notebook has already broken, rest in peace but yes I managed, it's a problem in the notebook's bios (there's no point in updating, it's more of a hardware issue than a software issue), it can't register the grub efi entry and crashes so basically you have to install linux without grub and register it manually afterwards, changing the name from grubx64.efi to bootx64.efi (which is the default bios entry) since it can't register a new entry you trick it by putting the bootloader in the same place that would be windows and with the same name the distro that I managed to install was debian, some give problems when starting the livecd and I don't know why, I believe that ubuntu and mint can work too, but I couldn't install manjaro and pop"

https://community.acer.com/pt/discussion/645827/acer-aspire-es1-533-nao-aceita-rodar-linux

[acoustic shard]

ok

[acoustic shard]

delete all

then

[wise reef]

red X?

[acoustic shard]

create a new 200GB

[acoustic shard]

yes

select 200GB and press next

[wise reef]

did it

it

cancelled-

[acoustic shard]

whag

[wise reef]

w10 canceled its instalation

I'll try again

[acoustic shard]

stupid

[wise reef]

what why

ok now it's working

[acoustic shard]

because it broke

[wise reef]

How?

[hearty badge]

Remind me again please: Are there issues beyond the boot manager?
Because if no, you could use install in MBR/CSM mode and forget about EFI boot.

[wise reef]

I dont think there's any other issues, although Lot knows more about it

[hearty badge]

MBR is the old boot method from the 1980s. It is still supported, but needs a "Compatibility Support Module (CSM)" enabled to work on modern UEFI systems. You also need to make sure you use that mode, so the install medium needs to be reflashed with that option. Perhaps worth a try.

[wise reef]

Sure we can do that, I just need to install windows first

[hearty badge]

But I defer to Lot here, he has followed your issues, I just skimmed across your thread.

[wise reef]

which is... not going too well

[hearty badge]

If you install Windows in UEFI mode, you cannot use MBR mode for Linux. Both would have to use the same.

[wise reef]

oh

No yeah, that makes sense

[hearty badge]

I think Windows does use MBR mode if the medium is written that way and you enable/force CSM.

[wise reef]

I looked it up on YouTube and I think it does

[wise reef]

I just want to install w10 so I can do this

to the USB stick

[hearty badge]

Oh, your only computer?

[wise reef]

Right now it is, yeah, my dad has one but I can't really use it rn

since it's rly early

[acoustic shard]

Idk if that'll work, but worth a try I guess?

[hearty badge]

When you get around to it, you could use Ventoy for the medium. Will allow you to put both the Windows and Linux ISOs on the same medium. Can also be written in MBR mode.

[hearty badge]

I am usually all for using modern standards, but when they fail, we might give the old methods a shot.

[wise reef]

Can you help me with w10 install? it fails for some reason

fuck it.

I'll just sleep a bit and try again later

it says something is corrupted or missing

[carmine prism]

your laptop its a hell machine

[hearty badge]

This is probably a harmless bug. With HP, I suspect malice.

[wise reef]

I'm back

I woke up and I feel better

I'll eat and try to install windows

[wise reef]

done

[acoustic shard]

it installed successfully?

[wise reef]

Yes, I had to reinstall the ISO

download it again yk

[acoustic shard]

ah ok

do you want to try to install some Linux now?

[wise reef]

Sure

How can we get MBR mode running on this?

[acoustic shard]

just select what distribution you want and ping me when you are in the live session

[acoustic shard]

on windows?

[wise reef]

yeah on both, so it might work

[acoustic shard]

check msinfo32 in windows

[wise reef]

what would you recomend?

[acoustic shard]

it should say boot mode uefi/legacy

[acoustic shard]

probably something Debian based

[wise reef]

yes uefi

[acoustic shard]

ah, then curunir said something about forcing windows into legacy, but Im not sure how to do that honestly

I think you'd need to reinstall

[wise reef]

that would be fine, it didnt took too long

Idk how to do that either

I'll search about it a bit

and download fedora ISO

[acoustic shard]

btw, the thing where we replace grubx64 file, I don't know how to do that on legacy cause it works somewhat differently

[acoustic shard]

@hearty badge sorry for bothering

[acoustic shard]

if you want to, make sure to get the lxqt or xfce spin

[wise reef]

I still have my windows activated, which is weird

since I did corrupt the HDD

when trying to partition it

[acoustic shard]

windows saves the key to your motherboard

[wise reef]

ooh

That's useful

anyway, I have fedora xfce in the pen-drive and I'm downloading peppermint aswell

Debian

[acoustic shard]

Ok

[wise reef]

Some people managed to install linux and get it working on this apparently, they dont really have much documentation on how, but one had mint 19 once so I think it's possible

I was reading some reddit posts

[acoustic shard]

I mean, we did succeed too

just for some reason the grub package kept breaking

[wise reef]

Everything is ready

[acoustic shard]

I think it would be possible to somehow not install the grub package but I don't know

[wise reef]

I was wondering

[acoustic shard]

in windows, open disk management

[wise reef]

If I had another external drive

we could try and instal linux on it using another computer

one without this bug and try to run it

[acoustic shard]

nah, I tried that a few months ago.

[wise reef]

ah well

[acoustic shard]

the system just crashes upon boot

[wise reef]

Opened

[acoustic shard]

show

[wise reef]

the black is non alocated

[acoustic shard]

oh ok

boot fedora

[wise reef]

alr

oh, acer logo and fedora logo in the same screen

alr im in

[acoustic shard]

xd

[acoustic shard]

run the installer, configure your keyboard language and user

[wise reef]

okay

[acoustic shard]

you in the disks section now?

[wise reef]

It froze

When installing

Oh shit, my bad, Imma reboot it

I was supposed to configure it only, not install

I am in the disk section now

there was 250gb free before, but I understood uncorrectly

I can reclaim the space

probably the brtfs one

@acoustic shard would that be right?

[acoustic shard]

you could've pinged me 20 min ago before crashing it

[wise reef]

Yeaaah...

But can I delete it?

[acoustic shard]

no

[wise reef]

Ok

[acoustic shard]

open gparted

[wise reef]

Opened

[acoustic shard]

show

[acoustic shard]

remove 5 and 6

[wise reef]

done

[acoustic shard]

re check

ok

apply

[wise reef]

applying

Done

[acoustic shard]

now click on EFI system partition, edit mount options, mount on /mnt

[wise reef]

where is it?

[acoustic shard]

let's pretend this step didn't exist

[wise reef]

ok

[acoustic shard]

sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt

[wise reef]

on terminal?

[acoustic shard]

yes

[wise reef]

okay brb

I'm back, did it

no errors

[acoustic shard]

now open /mnt in your explorer

[wise reef]

okay

opened

[acoustic shard]

show

[acoustic shard]

EFI

[acoustic shard]

how do you have Debian..?

[wise reef]

Idk

[acoustic shard]

remove Debian and fedora directories

[acoustic shard]

I guess you didn't remove that when installing windows..

[wise reef]

error, I'll open with root access

[acoustic shard]

yes

[wise reef]

How do I do that on fedora?

[acoustic shard]

does it not have a right-click menu?

[acoustic shard]

in terminal
sudo thunar

[wise reef]

deleted them

what's the next step?

[acoustic shard]

done

in terminal
umount -R /mnt

[acoustic shard]

sudo umount 😅

i keep forgetting

[wise reef]

umount: bad usage

[acoustic shard]

as in sudo umount -R /mnt

[wise reef]

ohh ok did it

[acoustic shard]

run the installer and ping me when you get to partitioning

[wise reef]

ok

It doesnt want to open

[acoustic shard]

the installer?

[wise reef]

Yes

[acoustic shard]

hmm

[wise reef]

ahm, anything really

The terminal didnt open too

[acoustic shard]

try to reboot

[wise reef]

ookay I'm almost in

just waiting for the cursor and desktop

[acoustic shard]

https://discord.com/channels/628978428019736619/1236020302811627531 lol

[wise reef]

hm?

ohKSJWKFHSKDK

I believe this thread has surpassed all at this point

[acoustic shard]

you in the desktop?

[wise reef]

2000+

[wise reef]

yes

[acoustic shard]

open installer and go straight to disks

[wise reef]

No need to create an user?

[acoustic shard]

later

[wise reef]

okay

what now

[acoustic shard]

custom

[wise reef]

ok selected

[acoustic shard]

then proceed

[wise reef]

standard partition, LVMZ or LVM Thin Provisioning?

[acoustic shard]

show your screen and unfold the others

[acoustic shard]

yes unfold unknown

[acoustic shard]

here, type mount point
/boot/efi

if done correctly, it'll move it to New Fedora 40

[wise reef]

sda1
mount point:

right? then click on done

[acoustic shard]

not done bruh

[wise reef]

update settings?

[acoustic shard]

show what it says

cause I don't know

[acoustic shard]

uh I think when you click on the swap partition below, it'll apply changes

[wise reef]

uhmm I clicked on it now

[acoustic shard]

it's works now

wait I messed it up

can you discard all changes

[wise reef]

not really

the button is locked

I can try and close the installer

[acoustic shard]

...

do that

[wise reef]

ok, closed, opening it back up

btrfs appeared

[acoustic shard]

Click here to automatically create them

[wise reef]

done

I cant click with the touchpad btw

[wise reef]

noticed it now

[acoustic shard]

idk anything about this

[acoustic shard]

it's ok. click 1 storage device..

[wise reef]

ok

[acoustic shard]

you need to find some part where it says about grub/bootloader

[acoustic shard]

hmm am not sure if that's the thing

[wise reef]

hm...

[acoustic shard]

ok click next here

there should be a text saying "Full disk summary and bootloader"

[wise reef]

Done?

[acoustic shard]

yes

[acoustic shard]

accept

[acoustic shard]

""Full disk summary and bootloader", this option is placed on the bottom of the installation screen"

[wise reef]

maybe I need to create a root and a user?

[acoustic shard]

do that

[acoustic shard]

maybe it's somewhere in the installation dest.?

[wise reef]

oh

I created root, went to create user and it.. closed?

weird

[acoustic shard]

wdym?

[wise reef]

it just closed

when I went to create user

[acoustic shard]

._.

[wise reef]

.-.

[acoustic shard]

at this point installing arch would be easier

(joke)

[wise reef]

oh here

[wise reef]

Joke not joke)

[acoustic shard]

Found it?

[wise reef]

it doesnt want to connect to the internet too

[acoustic shard]

uhh

[wise reef]

We could try another distro...

I got Peppermint and xme

[acoustic shard]

you said you have Debian/Mx?

[wise reef]

Yes Mx

[acoustic shard]

I never used peppermint so let's try mx

[wise reef]

sure thing

Bootyng it up

Me and stunner tried to run it yesterday

I left the computer overnight installing it

but it didn't really work

Maybe arch is actually the way?

[acoustic shard]

I mean, installing it would be rather easy. but later using it is really painful, so I wouldn't rely recommend it

[wise reef]

Hmm makes sense

[acoustic shard]

install

Mx at least looks normal, unlike fedora xfce

[wise reef]

it`s cheking

[wise reef]

it runs quite nice too

even on live

[acoustic shard]

xd

[wise reef]

ok the panel disappeared

i`ll close firefox

and open the installer again

ok it worked

[wise reef]

clicked on customize disc layout, then this

I cant add a partition to sda

I opened gparted

[amber kettle]

hello

kek

[wise reef]

hiii good morning ^^

[amber kettle]

so what happened with Fedora? just wouldn't install?

lol

[wise reef]

Yeah, pretty much

[amber kettle]

it got stuck at 70%?

[wise reef]

we couldnt find anything about the grub loader so we gave up cause it seemed like a headache

[wise reef]

KSHSJFHSJDJS

I wish

[amber kettle]

this one probably wont be different, that's why I was doing that other way last night. but u can try i guess

[acoustic shard]

@amber kettle guide her thru partitions. just as usual. but find an option where it says about bootloader and choose to not install a bootloader - it'll probably complain it'll break your system, but just proceed

[amber kettle]

oh ur on dual boot now, right

[acoustic shard]

I have to go for like half an hour now. luck

[amber kettle]

ok peace

[wise reef]

Take care!!

[wise reef]

right

[amber kettle]

ok so in the grey space, make an ext4 partition

leave a few gigs at the end for swap

or nvermind if u already have swap

[wise reef]

oh weird, I do

anyway created it

Now I apply it and go back to the installer

[amber kettle]

yeah u dont need two swap partitions

since that's what sda2 will be for

so just one large ext4 partition should do

in the grey space

[wise reef]

Okay

sda5 and next?

[amber kettle]

hang on im reading

[wise reef]

okay

[amber kettle]

in the dropdown box of sda5, should list mountpoint or linux root

[wise reef]

yes "/"

[amber kettle]

yes put that, and for the dropdown box of sda2, linux-swap

or just SWAP

[wise reef]

Done.

[amber kettle]

then in the sda1 dropdown, does it have a use-as: ESP or similar?

[wise reef]

it does

FORMAT
ESP
/boot

[amber kettle]

ok use as ESP

[acoustic shard]

I had a bit of faith in fedora because it requires you to configure packages manually, which wouldn't cause an issue like LMDE did with a broken dpkg

[wise reef]

ok

[acoustic shard]

so hopefully it won't break Mx too :l

[wise reef]

ooh, yeah that should've worked, weird

[amber kettle]

then beside anything that says format, ensure the Quick tickbx is on

so it doesnt take forever

sorry disregard

misread that.

[wise reef]

oh ok

[amber kettle]

yep, then continue

[wise reef]

I'll click on Start now,

[amber kettle]

that's fine

[amber kettle]

ah the magic

big decision

[wise reef]

MBR PBR or ESP

[amber kettle]

big big decision

because u see, if u DONT install grub, u can use SuperGrub2 USB to kickstart the system.

but we'll try installing grub anyway.. to ESP

[acoustic shard]

yes and uncheck install grub here

[wise reef]

So, create a swap file?

[amber kettle]

oh so you DONT want them to

no swap file.

since u have SWAP

[wise reef]

Ah ye

[amber kettle]

@acoustic shard so you really do mean to NOT install grub here?

[acoustic shard]

no bootloader

[wise reef]

it didnt freeze yet so it's going well

[amber kettle]

u thinking to kickstart it with Supergrub?

[acoustic shard]

chroot

[amber kettle]

oh.

[acoustic shard]

and install grub from there

we could do supergrub but I never used it and I don't know how to

[wise reef]

Supergrub is a cool superhero name

[amber kettle]

i know how

[acoustic shard]

@amber kettle unless MX installer has some specific option that won't write to NVRAM, in that case we can try to

but I don't see one in this menu

[amber kettle]

it's a usb utility that locates bootable os files and attempts to start that OS

so u use the USB as a kickstarter

[wise reef]

So I'll have to keep it on me, right?

[amber kettle]

plugged in

[wise reef]

yes

[amber kettle]

same idea as what I was gonna have u do last night with MX Live, with persistent storage.

[wise reef]

I left it overnight and it didn't went anywhere...

[amber kettle]

which is still an option on the table

next time just do 2 gigs and 2 gigs

[wise reef]

Sure

[amber kettle]

can grow it later i am quite sure

[wise reef]

oh uhm

operator input

[amber kettle]

put ur info and locale

[amber kettle]

DONT set a password for root if offered to

[wise reef]

where?

[amber kettle]

untick that GRUB box, and next

[wise reef]

ok

[wise reef]

I put a name and a domain?

wtf the screen turned black

[amber kettle]

powersavr

just move mouse

[wise reef]

When I went to type

[wise reef]

didn't work

I'll just reboot

great.

I have peppermint

I doubt it would work

[acoustic shard]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

verify the iso

instead of starting it, verify checksum

[wise reef]

On windows?

ah okok

calculate sha256

[amber kettle]

odd

exit

[wise reef]

exited

[amber kettle]

it must have wiggled loose

shut down, make sure the usb is in the tightest port u can find

[wise reef]

Yeah that's plausible

[amber kettle]

or squeeze the collar down of the usb stick itself so it's tight

then repeat the test from the Ventoy verify screen menu

[wise reef]

okay

ok it's 50% now

[amber kettle]

then have the website open n locate the sum check value

[wise reef]

90%

[wise reef]

what website?

[amber kettle]

mx

[wise reef]

okay

[amber kettle]

see if match the exact one for ur iso

[wise reef]

5c18cfa3b3c13015e61670661488704958cbda528cfac4094714671fcefd52b1

[amber kettle]

from site

[wise reef]

yeah

Idk where that is

[amber kettle]

the downloads part of the webpage

it'll have all the sumvalues for all versions.

[amber kettle]

no the official website, duh

though it does say sha256 there even on distrowatch

[acoustic shard]

download sha256

[wise reef]

did it

[amber kettle]

just read it and compare

[acoustic shard]

what do I open it with

[amber kettle]

if it matches, then ur good

any text editor

[wise reef]

idk either

I'm downloading one

[amber kettle]

5c18cfa3b3c13015e61670661488704958cbda528cfac4094714671fcefd52b1 MX-23.3_x64.iso

that's what's in the file

[amber kettle]

matches this.

[wise reef]

5c18cfa3b3c13015e61670661488704958cbda528cfac4094714671fcefd52b1

[acoustic shard]

it only allows Reddit or Google wallet :/

[amber kettle]

s-ok it matches

[acoustic shard]

redo the installer then, it shouldn't complain anymore

[wise reef]

I installed quicktext editor

[amber kettle]

the reason it probably blacked out last time, is cuz the usb was loose.

[wise reef]

okay

[amber kettle]

just repeat all the install steps u did. u have all the photos here.

[wise reef]

alr

[amber kettle]

can later also boot to windows, get Supergrub2 live image .img file and add it to ventoy, and use that to boot MX with no GRUB 😛

[wise reef]

Good idea

I could do that with the mx live version

beforehand

[amber kettle]

no becuz u cant write to the ventoy in live mode

[wise reef]

That explains a lot..

anyway imma install this

[amber kettle]

aight

[wise reef]

or not

about 70% the way in

[amber kettle]

hm

fails md5

kek

go back to windows.

[wise reef]

give up on linux or just so I can reinstall the ISO and put supergrub on the pendrive?

[amber kettle]

yeah back on windows, check the ISO u had downloaded

[wise reef]

ok

[amber kettle]

if it checks out, just replace the one on the ventoy stick

[acoustic shard]

you can - just select mount Ventoy in Linux in the temporary settings

[amber kettle]

oh from the white ventoy screen?

[acoustic shard]

yes

[amber kettle]

i knew there's some experimental option, but I have always avoided it.

[acoustic shard]

how did it work for the 1st time but not now..?

[amber kettle]

ikr. unless supposedly loose usb drive did sum crud

u can do that in Windows, for both md5 and for sha256 on the original iso u downloaded

if it matches from mxlinux.org then u can just delete the old one off Ventoy, and carefully copy the OG one u downloaded again.

[acoustic shard]

stunner wanna check something in a VM?

I wonder if installing no bootloader will install the grub package. if it doesn't then am afraid we'll run into the same thing as on lmde

okay apparently that shouldn't be a concern

[amber kettle]

i cant vm

[wise reef]

I'm downloading the distro ISO

gonna take a while, internet is a bit slow today

[acoustic shard]

MX iso?

[wise reef]

yes

[acoustic shard]

did you verify sha256 and md5?

[wise reef]

I will now

[acoustic shard]

do that before downloading a new one

I doubt that just redownloading will fix it, but worth a try I guess

[acoustic shard]

is your usb drive tucked up?

[wise reef]

yeah

no, it's like this

[acoustic shard]

try to create a .txt file there

[acoustic shard]

also it's already downloaded quite a bit of mx

[acoustic shard]

I meant as in if it broke inside, cause that shouldn't happen

[wise reef]

created

[wise reef]

oh, no, he's fine

I could try and use an sd card, but mine is read-only

[acoustic shard]

try to check sha256 of a different iso, like fedora

[wise reef]

ok

I believe it's executing

oh ok now the usb did disconnext

[acoustic shard]

@amber kettle 💀

[amber kettle]

hm

kek

u saved it direct to usb again?

[wise reef]

OK IT WORKED

[amber kettle]

aight

[wise reef]

now I'll try mx

[amber kettle]

lul

[acoustic shard]

bro I was scared your usb disintegated

[wise reef]

Not yet

the iso downloaded, after I get the MX hashes I'll put the new ISO in

[wise reef]

SHA256 Matches

waiting for md5

[amber kettle]

capitalize md5

[amber kettle]

hit enter

[wise reef]

I hit

[amber kettle]

takes like 2 min

if ur reading off D

and d is the flash drive

[acoustic shard]

I gained 10 kilos during this thread

[amber kettle]

didnt u save the iso to C: FIRST?

[amber kettle]

that way it's easy to have on hand if u need a different usb stick

[wise reef]

I miss touching grass

[amber kettle]

lmao

[wise reef]

both match

[amber kettle]

lot

k just install it

wait

[wise reef]

copying the new iso over to the usb stick

oh yeah supergrub

[amber kettle]

wait, what's D: drive then?

[wise reef]

no MX cause I'm copying it over

[amber kettle]

so its alreafy on it

u just verified on D:

LOOK at powershell

[wise reef]

yes

[amber kettle]

so what r u copuong

back to c: ?

[wise reef]

wait

[wise reef]

.

delete the old one and copy the og one

[amber kettle]

i said this cuz i thought u downloaded onto C:

[wise reef]

Oh, well-

[amber kettle]

u just verified

both on D:

[wise reef]

almost done anyway, 95%

[amber kettle]

both algoriths checked out fine on d:

no need to copy again

[wise reef]

ok

I'll boot MX

[wise reef]

installer is fine-

[amber kettle]

koo

[wise reef]

imma see the images from before brb

set as normal?

[acoustic shard]

PS. after installation, we inmidietly block grub packages from ever updating - this will cause what happened with LMDE

[wise reef]

root admnistrator account?

[acoustic shard]

you chose to install no bootloader right?

[wise reef]

yes

[acoustic shard]

ok

[wise reef]

I unchecked it

[amber kettle]

blank

[wise reef]

save live desktop changee?

[amber kettle]

nah

[wise reef]

alr we done

[acoustic shard]

why root disabled?

[wise reef]

just need to wait now

[amber kettle]

for reg sudo

[acoustic shard]

I mean, root itself is more powerful than just sudo

but it's ok

[amber kettle]

dont need to F with 2 passwords and 2 accounts

[wise reef]

I use the same password

[acoustic shard]

can you chroot with root disabled?

[amber kettle]

sure

[wise reef]

done

[amber kettle]

just put sudo infront of stuff always

[wise reef]

automatically reboot and finish?

[amber kettle]

wait

oh nvm u said no grub

right?

[wise reef]

yes

[acoustic shard]

installation didn't crash?

[wise reef]

I Wonder how dual boot looks like

[amber kettle]

so it wont boot. u'll need to do what lot says now

[wise reef]

yeah it didnt

[acoustic shard]

😎

[amber kettle]

or else use supergrub

[acoustic shard]

we can either chroot like yesterday or supergrub - but rely on stunner on how to use it

[wise reef]

windows??--

[acoustic shard]

windows what?

[wise reef]

ok how we get into MX?

[amber kettle]

try the chroot first

[acoustic shard]

did you reboot?

[amber kettle]

since ur still in live

[wise reef]

it booted up windows

[wise reef]

yes

it automatically rebooted

[acoustic shard]

ah ok

[wise reef]

f12?

[acoustic shard]

do you have supergrub on ventoy?

[wise reef]

or f2 for bios?

[wise reef]

no

[acoustic shard]

then boot to Ventoy

[wise reef]

ok what now?

[acoustic shard]

start mx

[wise reef]

starting

ok booted it up

[acoustic shard]

shoe
\¥✓\}

lsblk

[acoustic shard]

sda5 is Linux root right?

[tall token]

hey

[acoustic shard]

what

[wise reef]

yes

[tall token]

this might not be the right place to ask burt do you mind helping me with my issue

after u r done with this ofc