Linux Mint refuses to utilize my Nvidia RTX 3080 Mobile Studio card.

[narrow isle]

Linux Mint refuses to utilize my Nvidia RTX 3080 Mobile Studio card, both my NVIDIA option and INTEL option in PRIME-profiles use the integrated graphics and it wont allow me to use my rtx card despite trying all the different drivers given to me, I really like linux, I switched to it yesterday and I want to keep linux but if I cant play games then there's no way I'll be able to.

[narrow isle]

Secure boot is off

I have tried every driver provided by mint

I have tried using the normal driver from the nvidia website, mobile and non mobile version

yes I deleted the previous driver before trying each

and I did it through the command prompt to give them admin download

I have messed with prime nvidia, tried every setting

I have restarted this computer almost 50 times by now

I have spent over 5 hours trying diffirent things to fix this, I cried myself to sleep last night and am still trying to fix this this morning

[eager urchin]

how do you know it's using the integrated card?

[narrow isle]

when I open up hell divers and check the graphics card it says im using the intel intergrated gpu and it runs poorly
in nvidia prime it says intel igpu

no matter wether I switch to "intel" or "nvidia" in nvidia prime it still uses the intel igpu

[eager urchin]

terminal
__NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia steam

[eager urchin]

is steam already open?

[narrow isle]

ja

did I need to close it?

[eager urchin]

then read the output and close It

[narrow isle]

the output?

what do you mean read the output?

[eager urchin]

"Steam is already running. Exiting"

leave it be. what happens when you close it and run the command?

[narrow isle]

same thing

I tried shutting down the background processes for steam but that proved undoable so im going to restart and try it

noticed when I restarted this time little text popped up saying something something broadcast something new line new line GPU something to novuan

and I think that might have something to do with my issue

@eager urchin Here's the output

this seems to be the issue

whats nouveau

it seems to be messing my stuff up if im not mistaken

[narrow isle]

okay that fixed but now all my games crash on startup

Okay so turns out there was a graphics driver overidding the oficcial nvidia one called nouveau and I had to disable it by creating a sopecific command file and using the console to administritively move it into the files of mint to disable it

this mean the computer has now RECOGNISED that an nvidia driver is there BUT its broken and so with that it has falled back onto something called llvmpipe which from looking it up said it was a fallback for nonfunctioning graphics drivers (thats nuts, windows doesent have that it just defaults to bios when you disable drivers) but this means if I repair my nvidia drivers I will have a functioning graphics card again

after 10 hours and no experiance with linux I have diagnosed my own driver issue and figured it out completely by chance

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-dancing-cat-chinese-dancing-cat-funny-cat-meme-cat-gif-18059553370350307210

OH SHIIIIIT GUESS WHAT JUST STARTED PLAYING ON MY SPOTIFY

https://open.spotify.com/track/1Jwc3ODLQxtbnS8M9TflSP?si=991c6f85104941e2

goes hard

back to fixing my shit

[narrow isle]

Just found a portal to another diamension on my pc

I found the old drivers for my graphics card and I tried to delete them using console commands and it didnt work, when I checked inside the folder it looped back to outside the folder and kept going

almost like pt, it was the same folders over and over again going on infinetely in a loop but they where all technically diffirent folders

like some sort of non-euclidean horror game

https://tenor.com/view/kaperoo-hunt-showdown-spider-non-euclidean-spider-gif-7266245853064816410

[narrow isle]

Must delete old drivers and replace them with fresh ones as they are bugged

[left harness]

If this is still unsolved, please share the output of inxi -Gxxxz.

[narrow isle]

with or without full stop?

oh, is it trying to use a driver thats for arch kernel and not for ubuntu

this would make sense because I got the driver from the nvidia site without checking if it was for ubuntu

[hoary trellis]

@narrow isle you are using mint 22 ?

[narrow isle]

ja

cinnamon

[hoary trellis]

so it's not a kernel version issue

[narrow isle]

hmm i see

would it be worth figuring out why the drivers are bugged or just removing them and replacing them?

to be fair its my first time using linux so maybe I should take the opertunity to know more

[left harness]

The key thing here is ports active. It says the eDP (embedded DisplayPort = laptop screen) is active on the iGPU, and no ports are active on nvidia. Is this Mint Cinnamon?

[narrow isle]

ja mint cinnamon

I thought it looked pleasing

thats why I chose it

[hoary trellis]

sry for your bad experience 😔

[left harness]

It should present you with a switcher in the taskbar automatically when you have dual GPUs. Is there perchance a little Intel symbol down there?

[narrow isle]

dont worry, I actually switched to linux because atleast linux issues are fixable unlike windows + linux runs so much nicer

[narrow isle]

I did until I disabled nouveau and now its running on llvmpipe

[left harness]

The Intel symbol is the one you click when you want to switch to nvidia, dude.

[narrow isle]

uhh, sorry I thought you meant the little icon on the bottom right

[hoary trellis]

your integrated graphic card works ?

[left harness]

Also, inxi says your nvidia is running the nonfree 550 driver, which should be fine.

[left harness]

I did mean that.

[narrow isle]

unfortunately, wish it didnt, it keeps getting in the way, I need my main card to work

[hoary trellis]

but if you have not active port, it means that's a monitor issue ?

[narrow isle]

but the precence of llvmpipe says otherwise right or am I mistaken? when I looked it up people online said it was there when the drivers arent working

[narrow isle]

cant be, I'm using a laptop

[hoary trellis]

strange

[left harness]

The is Optimus, or Dual Graphics, or whatever they are calling it these days. Mint Cinnamon has support for switching it, so if it detects nvidia and an iGPU, it will load that applet into the system tray to allow you to switch.

[narrow isle]

well, the issue was whenever I switched it would use the igpu either way

this was because something to do with nouveau

[left harness]

Actually, switching works better with nouveau, it is just that fps are lower on that one.

[narrow isle]

hmm, I'm really confused then, so what do we think exactly has gone wrong

[hoary trellis]

are you using your integrated graphic card to screenshot your terminal ? 🤔

[narrow isle]

this was a screenshot froma while ago when I was stuck on the igpu

[narrow isle]

at the moment my computer is utilizing llvmpipe

[hoary trellis]

oh okay

and you want better performance ?

[left harness]

If you installed the binary blob from the nvidia website, that was your mistake. nvidia does not give a shit about your Linux desktop. You need to use the drivers from Driver Manager, which were packaged by unpaid volunteers to work properly on your system.

[left harness]

Where are you seeing that?

[narrow isle]

that makes sense, so how do I get rid of this old nvidia driver to put in the better one?

[left harness]

Restore a Timeshift snapshot or reinstall. These are sticky.

[narrow isle]

yeah, I mean, its mostly the reason I switched to linux, apparently Vr runs super good on linux too

[narrow isle]

I'd rather avoid timeshift at the moment, how would I reinstall without it?

this makes things harder

[left harness]

I meant reinstall Mint entirely. You can of course find the exact package name, then apt purge that. Afterwards, you want Driver Manager to fetch the nvidia one.

[hoary trellis]

advice : install your linux distro with a btrfs filesystem

[narrow isle]

could I get that in words I can understand? sorry, I'm fairly new to linux

[left harness]

Actually, also check in BIOS if your dual graphics is set up in a weird way. I had an old Thinkpad workstation with a Quadro that would not even expose the dual graphics to Linux until I disabled some stupid "OS aware" setting in BIOS.

[hoary trellis]

btrfs is a filesystem (like NTFS on Windows), the most standard filesystem on Linux is ext4 but you can't snapshot with ext4

[left harness]

You need to uninstall that nvidia driver. I do not use that crap, so I have no idea how to.

[narrow isle]

my bios doesent have any of that because my laptop has a custom bios which misses and skips out on important bios settings and options

not my doing

[left harness]

Do not give that advice to newbies, unless you are volunteering to be their personal tech support.

[hoary trellis]

okay 👍🏼

[narrow isle]

you dont wanna be my personal tech support, all my jokes suck and im awful to hang out with

[hoary trellis]

btrfs is the best thing on linux 😹 I snapshot my whole system (root and home) in few seconds !

[narrow isle]

so, just to clear things up currently the suggestions are:

Reinstall cinnamon and get the right driver
Find a way to replace the drivers in an alternative way

[left harness]

It's alright, we will manage. You can either just wipe and reinstall Mint to get to the desired state in ~20 minutes, or figure out how to remove that nvidia driver. If you are lucky, it has an uninstall script somewhere.

[narrow isle]

and given how new I am I likely wont find it

it allready took me 17 hours to get here

[left harness]

You can just open the start menu and search for nvidia, see if you find something with uninstall.

[narrow isle]

AH

BRUH T- UH

THEY WHERE RIGHT THERE

https://tenor.com/view/no-cat-gif-20807115

[hoary trellis]

tip
ctrl + alt + F1..F6 (to enter in the console mode and you can wipe your linux and reinstall cinnamon 🤷🏼‍♂️)
ctrl + alt + F7 (to come back to the graphical view)

[narrow isle]

thank you, this will come in handy

[left harness]

If you manage to get the nvidia driver removed, reboot and check Driver Manager again.

[narrow isle]

just out of curiousity, what kind of music do you guys like? I always wondered what linux people's music taste was like

[narrow isle]

I should be able to just sudo rm them right

[left harness]

Try sudo nvidia-uninstall

[hoary trellis]

nothing, linux users have no time, they are recompiling the USB driver for the fifth time 😔

[narrow isle]

AH I TRIED THAT EARLIERRRRRRRRR I didnt know there was no space, I did sudo nvidia -uninstall

[hoary trellis]

come on... 😂

[left harness]

You were pretty close, then.

[hoary trellis]

second advice : never nvidia gpu always amd 😹

[narrow isle]

UHHH

THAT DELETED MY NVIDIA SERVER SETTINGS

https://tenor.com/view/boomshakalaka-gif-25687559

[hoary trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-jump-pink-pantern-gif-14045004

[narrow isle]

yipeee, driver options

[hoary trellis]

👍🏼

why "xserver-xorg" ?

[narrow isle]

autoselected, I chose the top one#

im not that dumb i swear

[hoary trellis]

did it work on wayland ?

[narrow isle]

wayland?

[eager urchin]

because the rendering platform is called xorg

[hoary trellis]

another display server to replace replace X.Org

[eager urchin]

not supported on cinnamon nor mint, so I wouldn't confuse the op for now

[hoary trellis]

i'm not really asking to op tho

[narrow isle]

I'm not confused

ANYWAYS ITS WORKING YIPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[eager urchin]

sorry. you just didn't know what Wayland was

[narrow isle]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[eager urchin]

how did you install so that it wasn't working??

[hoary trellis]

for me display server = server that handles windows, keyboard, mouse 👍🏼

[narrow isle]

it was novarou

[eager urchin]

well, you still have it on your system, as I believe this is a clean install

[narrow isle]

for some reason it blocked my installed nvidia driver from running

[narrow isle]

yeah but its blacklisted and doesent run

[narrow isle]

no i didnt clean install

just deleted prev drivers and replaced them

[eager urchin]

that's what happened (or at least should've) when you installed them before I believe

[eager urchin]

ah, good to know

[narrow isle]

yeah but sometimes some things just dont go to plan which is fine i suppose

gave me good experiance with driver issues

[eager urchin]

I was really confused by your initial issues but glad you got it working now. congratulations

[hoary trellis]

So you have been stucked just for this ? 😹 #1273656907265216602 message

[narrow isle]

basically yeah

[hoary trellis]

sry for you 😹

[narrow isle]

but that wouldve been after noverau which was 90% of the original issue

[narrow isle]

no problem, mistakes happen lol

I wish I could code linux in C++ instead because its the coding language i know

[hoary trellis]

like programming when you forget semicolon 😂

[narrow isle]

litterelly

or you accidently put a . instad of a ,

in an array

[left harness]

Wait, you are running it on nouveau now?

[narrow isle]

no, I blacklisted that ages ago, it was the start of the issue, after that all i had to do was delete bad drivers from nvidia and put in the reccomended ones

[hoary trellis]

why you should not ?

[narrow isle]

that and fix the issues i caused when i first tried fixing everything

[narrow isle]

well I assumed I cant code linux in C++

can I?

[hoary trellis]

wait

[left harness]

Alright, check in games if things run as intended, then feel free to mark the thread as solved.

[hoary trellis]

you want to code C++ on linux or code linux in C++ 😂

[narrow isle]

ja, thanks

[narrow isle]

either, thought it would be interesting

[hoary trellis]

so you want to code a kernel

[narrow isle]

I'm very aware im way in in over my head here and I have a feeling anything I say right now may make me look silly

but essentially I would like to see how I could use C++ to improve my experiance with linux

as its the only coding language I know

[hoary trellis]

no bro, i just want to understand what you want to do

[hoary trellis]

okay 👍🏼

imo

C is better for that cuz linux is mostly written in C and you can learn some linux syscalls from C 🤷🏼‍♂️

there is a Linux Programmer manual used by C programmers with the man command

[narrow isle]

yep, helldivers running max graphics 60fps we all good

[narrow isle]

damnnnnn I hate C# thooo

[hoary trellis]

C# ?

[narrow isle]

C and C# they are the same thing right

[hoary trellis]

no

[narrow isle]

THERES A THIRD ONE???

[hoary trellis]

C# is a high-level programming language developed by Microsoft

[narrow isle]

and C++ is a developed version used for things like UE and gamemaker

got it

[hoary trellis]

C++ is used for any low-level things

like C

[narrow isle]

oh, huh

I always assumed C++ was higher level assuming we're scaling things in the way where binary would be lowest and not by its complexity

so is C++ essentially just a tweaked version of C

[hoary trellis]

hot take but yes

seriously C, C++ have its advantages

[narrow isle]

that makes things easier

I'm qualified in coding with C++ so hopefully the transition to C wont be too hard

[hoary trellis]

👍🏼

you have to close this thread rn

[narrow isle]

nah I'm too attached

cant let it go, theres valuble info here I wanna come back to

[left harness]

C was created together with Unix in the early 1970s. C++ is a follow-up with many changes, and mostly its own thing now. C# is a modern language created by Microsoft for managed code. All of them are still used. Plain old C requires more developer discipline, but is closer to the hardware and potentially creates faster binaries. But this topic fills books, so if you are interested, have fun studying this.

[narrow isle]

oh boy, my favorite thing to do, get interested in something and bash my head into a wall over it for hours

[hoary trellis]

C is a fancy Assembler

[narrow isle]

gonna make linux say DEEZ NUTS in big letters instead of the mint logo on startup

this is my mission in life

anyways, time to do the thing that was the main reason I got linux

slimevr trackers

[hoary trellis]

it's not really hard