@turbid rock on hard drive, about 23 minutes
#Mint 22 install hangs
turbid rock
btw, delete the pic. no need to show passwords.
This is a 1 TB SSD that needs to be reformatted.
candid eagle
if it is still seemingly stuck, then I would consider to cancel the installer
simply press ctrl-alt-backspace to force a logout.
if that doesnt work, keep an eye on the drive light indicator. if it is still flashing, then wait more.
the computer's hard drive/ SSD light, not so much the usb stick's light
so help you God if you don't have lights on both.
turbid rock
Thank you. I have a M.2 SSD, I canāt see the light. No my USB light is not on or flashing.
candid eagle
Thank you. I have a M.2 SSD, I canāt see the light. No my USB light is not on or...
don't computers these days still come with a front panel indicator to show drive activity?
turbid rock
Unfortunately, I donāt think mine does
I may found the problem, I put the 2.0 USB stick in a 3.0. Would that be a problem?
candid eagle
sometimes it is known to work better on usb 2 ports.
turbid rock
Okay. Iāll try that. Thank you!
turbid rock
Unfortunately that didnāt work
Iām probably going to try removing the disk for windows then retry.
turbid rock
Looks like that didnāt work. Itās been doing the same thing.
Iāve used gparted to make a GPT table. Unfortunately it does the same thing.
candid eagle
well are you able to boot a live environment?
I guess so, if u used gparted
any other disks on the system?
@turbid rock
turbid rock
No.
Yes I was able to boot to the live environment. Iām not sure what to try next.
Maybe disconnect internet?
@candid eagle
That doesnāt look like it works either
candid eagle
<@725510568492138497>
did u boot the usb as a uefi device, if on a system 8 yrs or less old?
turbid rock
I did boot to the USB, my system is about 4 years old.
candid eagle
Must be UEFI USB . check bios settings
candid eagle
did u make it with ventoy?
turbid rock
I made it with balenaEtcher
candid eagle
were u using non-uefi usb in bios on previous attempts?
turbid rock
No.
candid eagle
try a manual install
candid eagle
yes
turbid rock
š¤
candid eagle
as of right now your SSD is wiped and has no format right?
turbid rock
I will do that in gparted.
candid eagle
make new gpt table
candid eagle
Pg. 5 of a pdf file?
now page 5 in the installer
candid eagle
click the + button
make first partition 100 MB, and set use as> EFI System Partition
click on + again, make 2nd partition. 500 GiB. use as: ext4, format, mount point: /
click on + again. 3rd partition 490 GB (or remaining amount), use as ext4, mount point: /home
click at bottom menu "location for bootloader" - choose sda1 or nvme0n1p1 if using an nvme ssd
then click install/continue
turbid rock
candid eagle
yeah continue
turbid rock
Well, not sure if it will work. Itās still loading.
The light on the usb is not on.
candid eagle
give it time
turbid rock
Okay. Thank you.
candid eagle
the weak password warning, did the Continue button grey out or did it let you continue?
also delete that pic
turbid rock
It let me continue. Sorry I will
The other thing that I can think of is installing it to a SSD that I have, then clone it over to my M.2.
candid eagle
shouldnt need to
if it still fails, then go back to BIOS, check in advanced or configuration/storage for VMD, RST rapid storage, and/or RAID, turn any / all of those off. use AHCI only.
turbid rock
Okay. Itās still on the same page
turbid rock
You mean in the chat, no I wonāt
candid eagle
no i mean whatever it did on ur ssd
turbid rock
Okay
turbid rock
I do.
candid eagle
how big capacity?
turbid rock
8 GB
turbid rock
Okay
candid eagle
use gpt as per line 10
turbid rock
Iām installing it now
candid eagle
then copy mint iso on it
candid eagle
if it still fails, then go back to BIOS, check in advanced or configuration/stor...
check on this now
turbid rock
Iām downloading a new iso right now.
Iāll let you know when I do. I have 5 minutes until itās downloaded.
candid eagle
in meantime boot live again with original USB
see what it created on the ssd, or if the ssd even boots
see if there's an "ubuntu" bios entry, and start it
candid eagle
It doesnāt
looks like it installed all the folders
boot live again and run the Boot Repair tool
turbid rock
Good idea
candid eagle
do summary, save it, then send the text file and send here
turbid rock
Okay
candid eagle
can also do the default suggested repair the summary outlines
im guessing ur NVRAM is locked and that stopped the installer somehow
friggin *new computers
candid eagle
yep
turbid rock
candid eagle
currently there were NO boot files found on p1 š
turbid rock
š
candid eagle
connect to internet go to mint sources, set up default mint and 'buntu 24.04 repo
start> sources
turbid rock
I donāt understand. You mean the software sources?
candid eagle
yes
candid eagle
don't need the source code one. that's all, it's fine. as long as connected to internet there.
it should refresh the apt package list as soon as u close that. then boot repair can get what it needs.
turbid rock
It gave me the same notification
candid eagle
hm. might need two things. in terminal do sudo apt update
and 2nd, close and restart the boot repair app
turbid rock
Nope. Same message
candid eagle
if still doesn't work, then download latest MX Linux xfce ISO on your other computer, add it to the ventoy drive. boot it up (uefi mode ofc) and run its Boot repair program. it's slightly different
turbid rock
Okay
candid eagle
as a last resort for Mint, u can copy all files n things in the EFI partition of another Mint install (if u have one) use the ventoy usb stick as a storage medium (make a temp folder in it) and then copy that stuff into the EFI partition of your failed install.
you'll need to use DISKS app and see where the efi partition mounts in (use play button), and go there in both cases: do sudo nemo to copy and paste the EFI contents.
eg:
turbid rock
Iām doing that
candid eagle
Iām doing that
did u try the MX boot repair yet?
turbid rock
No. I kinda skipped that to go with copying the file. Itās getting late for me
candid eagle
it's still a mystery, and unnatural for the installer to have failed doing full job.
turbid rock
I copied the efi folder to boot.
candid eagle
No. I kinda skipped that to go with copying the file. Itās getting late for me
u can set it for download, and go to bed while it downloads so it's ready tomorrow
turbid rock
Run boot repair?
candid eagle
um i dont think u need to
just try to boot now.. but go to BIOS, and look in the Boot devices list
and make ubuntu the top one.
tomorrow try the MX Boot repair tool, if needed. Cuz I know its "reinstall grub" option doesnt need to purge n download new stuff.
candid eagle
did u make a temporary folder on the ventoy usb, then use the other usb (live session) to move the files from temp folder into the SSD EFI P1 mount location?
turbid rock
Iām pretty sure I did. Iām probably going to call it quits. I appreciate your help.
candid eagle
you'll need to use DISKS app and see where the efi partition mounts in (use play...
as I said here
turbid rock
I might have. I might be too tired and copied it to the wrong file. Iām going to try tomorrow.
candid eagle
ok gn
turbid rock
Unfortunately, I copied everything in the EFI Partition to the failed install and it didnāt work.
candid eagle
get this on your ventoy usb. use it to boot installed mint, once in the installed mint desktop, do sudo update-grub from terminal.
turbid rock
Would you like me to copy the Zip file to the ventoy usb?
candid eagle
no unzip it
should be an img file
when u boot it, only have the one ventoy usb inserted, scroll down to the available OS's EFI files, and find one that reads grub-something64.efi
and boot it. shuld get u to Mint installed version
candid eagle
ya supergtub
candid eagle
when u boot it, only have the one ventoy usb inserted, scroll down to the availa...
then in orange screen ^^
turbid rock
Okay, from there, where would you like me to do?
What option in the orange screen would you like me to enter?
candid eagle
search OS
turbid rock
This is where I am
candid eagle
wait, did you have Secure Boot on this whole time?
i'd hope not.
Did u get some blue MOK manager screens when u ever booted ventoy up?
turbid rock
I'm pretty sure I check that before I posted
candid eagle
at any time before reaching this screen, were u met with a Bright blue BIOS screen mentioning MOK?
the first time u ever ran ventoy
turbid rock
No, I don't think
candid eagle
k
turbid rock
What would you like me to do here?
candid eagle
keep scrolling way down to the grubx64 efi file
or ubuntu something efi
or try Linux, or - EFI file on EFI partitions. whatever gets u there
turbid rock
Yeah, I didn't see grubx64, I went to EFI file on EFI partitions
What would you like me to do here?
candid eagle
you see it mentions ventoy for HD0, so that's that drive.. keep scrolling down
turbid rock
candid eagle
oof.. now extra confusion cuz of those files u copied to the temp folder.
turbid rock
Oh no
candid eagle
shutdown, put the ventoy stick in other pc.. delete the temp folder with all the cannibalized efi junk
seeing as u already copied those to the EFI partition of the failed install.
turbid rock
Before I do that, I'm going to send you a photo of my secure boot options on my bios
candid eagle
ok
candid eagle
that sorta works. Other OS. anyway u can switch the state to fully disabled instead of 'user' ?
tepid sorrel
that sorta works. Other OS. anyway u can switch the state to fully disabled ins...
Some stupid UEFI versions tie it to the Windows/Other OS setting.
candid eagle
Some stupid UEFI versions tie it to the Windows/Other OS setting.
this whole install of Mint issue is cuz the installer wont finish. it just hangs endlessly, no errors.
tried auto and manual way.. even in proper thorough manual way, it didn't insert squat into the EFI partition, but it did produce the linux root core folders
turbid rock
Yes, this is crazy
candid eagle
Yes, this is crazy
anyway u can move the MX iso over to ventoy
if supergrub gets nowhere.
turbid rock
candid eagle
delete the junk efi files from ventoy where u had added them
tepid sorrel
NVME target or S-ATA?
turbid rock
Does this tell you anything?
turbid rock
NVME target or S-ATA?
How would I find that out?
tepid sorrel
Well, is your system drive S-ATA? Or one of those slim M.2 sticks?
tepid sorrel
Because if S-ATA, I want to see if it runs in AHCI or not.
turbid rock
Yes it's a nvme in a m.2 slot
candid eagle
Because if S-ATA, I want to see if it runs in AHCI or not.
it's nvme.. reviewed the boot repair summary
and I think AHCI was selected/reviewed.
tepid sorrel
Are we making a dual boot or plain Linux?
candid eagle
earlier Summary.
turbid rock
Well, at first I did a dual boot. It didn't work. Then I removed the windows drive that was also nvme m.2. It didn't work. Then I talked to you.
candid eagle
looks like single boot disk, curunir
tepid sorrel
And it fails to boot after install?
candid eagle
mhm. technically the installer hangs at like 99%
tepid sorrel
Ah, you said it never finishes.
turbid rock
It's drives me crazy lol
tepid sorrel
What you can do is start the installer from a terminal, so you can read the errors on the terminal. Sorry to make you go through this again, but I have no clue what causes this.
candid eagle
had tried the manual mode, and explicitly told it to install to nvmep1 ESP
was gonna try the supergrub boot, if it can find the internal disk.
tepid sorrel
That might help
candid eagle
I had him cannibalize the entire ESP contents of a known working install of linux mint on another PC, and copy all that to the ailing PC ESP
tepid sorrel
Oh my goodness
candid eagle
cuz mint boot repair was being a dick and not able to download packages for efi-purge/reinstall.
tepid sorrel
Well, we can probably pinpoint this to Grub installation, but we would need the install log to examine the cause.
But wait, doesn't Mint create install logs on the medium somewhere?
candid eagle
never thought of that
sturdy fjord
perhaps has OP checked the sha256sum of the mint image?
candid eagle
^^ possssibly a bad iso, but idk.. for it to have gotten THAT far into the install...
not evn produce an error, just hang
turbid rock
I used the same installer on my Laptop recently too
candid eagle
ok well u have Mint iso on ur ventoy stick now
tepid sorrel
It would be a very rare ISO issue if it only affects Grub, but possible.
turbid rock
ok well u have Mint iso on ur ventoy stick now
Yes
candid eagle
ventoy has a verify checksum on 2nd menu. but for now.. where do u stand? did u clean the ventoy of all the efi files and put MX ISO on it?
to try its boot repair tool.
should be an easy solve with MX repair.
candid eagle
ventoy has a verify checksum on 2nd menu. but for now.. where do u stand? did u ...
all the efi files that YOU added, NOT anything in the VTOYEFI partition please.
sturdy fjord
this would imply something is wrong with the live boot/image itself, no?
turbid rock
should be an easy solve with MX repair.
I have removed the files I copied. Where do I find MX ISO?
candid eagle
turbid rock
Okay. I'll let you know after I boot it
tepid sorrel
If the repair fails, Plan B is reinstalling with the installer started from a terminal to check the error messages, and perhaps checking install log.
candid eagle
this woulda been solved last night if the darn Mint Boot Repair tool woulda had its shit together.
sturdy fjord
this woulda been solved last night if the darn Mint Boot Repair tool woulda had ...
well, but what happened there anyway?
candid eagle
If the repair fails, Plan B is reinstalling with the installer started from a te...
what's the package executable? mintinstall or something else?
tepid sorrel
No idea, can be checked with right-click > properties on the desktop link.
candid eagle
well, but what happened there anyway?
it opted to reinstall grub and all its related stuff, but to do so, it needed internet, and to get certain files.. and even after updating apt, it refused to recognize the Mint Sources.
turbid rock
I'm downloading that iso file right now
candid eagle
eg. of Mint Boot repair complaint.
sturdy fjord
Run MX-23.3_x64.iso?
yes
turbid rock
What would you like me to do now?
sturdy fjord
What would you like me to do now?
@candid eagle
candid eagle
hm
sturdy fjord
how to boot repair, or what did you want from Mx?
turbid rock
ok so u got MX iso fully resting nice on the ventoy stick?
Yes
candid eagle
alright, put it to the patient.
boot it up. u should only see three things in the menu of ventoy. Mint, MX, and Supergrub2
as always, UEFI USB drive device boot
sturdy fjord
he's already in the desktop, no?
candid eagle
nah was on a diff computer to get the iso
sturdy fjord
ah
turbid rock
This is what I see
turbid rock
ok
candid eagle
choose MX iso, next screen choose verify checksum, and do the sha256 hash
then go on ur smartphone or other pc, to mx website, get the sha256 verify string.
turbid rock
Okay, I've done all of that
candid eagle
and compare results for ur specific iso
sturdy fjord
This is what I see
If no work try grubx64? i suppose that's some leftover from a previous image?
turbid rock
Okay. It's on 20% at the moment. I
candid eagle
If no work try grubx64? i suppose that's some leftover from a previous image?
yeah those are old files just happened to be copied as storage data
candid eagle
idk did u compare?
turbid rock
candid eagle
compare to website value like i said
there's no reason for it to fail boot unless the downloaded ISO was bad, or the write to the USB went bad.
candid eagle
not that one.. the MX one!
candid eagle
good?
no good. ok check on the pc u downloaded on
are u sure to compare the one for xfce mx
not the kde or fluxbox checksums
sturdy fjord
not the kde or fluxbox checksums
nope, doesn't seem to match any of these
https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/iso-download-mirrors/
candid eagle
the one ending in 52b1 on the website
turbid rock
not the kde or fluxbox checksums
You kinda lost me there
candid eagle
nvm they dont match
sturdy fjord
@turbid rock boot up your working Linux and insert the working usb drive
then run
sha256sum /path/to/usb/and/mx.iso
turbid rock
Okay
candid eagle
go back to the other pc
turbid rock
Okay
candid eagle
if the other pc has linux u can verify that at least the DOWNLOAD is good, by checking in the terminal... (change to directory of download) then sha256sum blahblahmx.iso
turbid rock
<@380903401053224970> boot up your working Linux and insert the working usb driv...
I get, No such file or directory
candid eagle
hm?
sturdy fjord
I get, No such file or directory
you need to replace /path/to.. with the real path :)
or just what stunner said
candid eagle
in simple terms if u saved it on the other PC (and it's a linux PC) to Downloads folder, then open terminal, cd Downloads
it will switch from ~ in prompt (home) to ~/Downloads
and then the command
if it doesnt match, then the mx iso download was bad in fact.. re-download it.
turbid rock
turbid rock
Okay
candid eagle
u can also recheck in terminal with the sha256sum command after recopying to ventoy drive
turbid rock
Why did it became different?
candid eagle
just log to the drive in terminal, and redo command after it's settled down some
sturdy fjord
Why did it became different?
got corrupted during copying
turbid rock
Okay
candid eagle
Why did it became different?
either u pulled the stick too quick
or something else
give a FULL MINUTE to rest after the copy operation says it's complete.
turbid rock
Okay, I will do that
candid eagle
brb gotta get a food.
turbid rock
It's a 63% at the moment
candid eagle
hopefully u boot MX, to live desktop, then launch MX Tools from the welcome screen. u'll find MX Boot Repair there.. do reinstall grub
sturdy fjord
I'm running the SHA256
read speeds of your usb are significantly slower than on your SSD, so that's expected
turbid rock
It's the same thank goodness
sturdy fjord
It's the same thank goodness
you should boot normally now
sturdy fjord
Mx 23.3
turbid rock
Okay
I've boot to the live desktop
Reinstall or repair in the boot repair menu? @sturdy fjord
sturdy fjord
boot repair
turbid rock
boot repair
Repair or reinstall GRUB?
sturdy fjord
reinstall ig
turbid rock
It's asking me for a password. I tried the one I had when I installed and it didn't work
Well I just hit cancel a bunch and I got this
turbid rock
Sorry, I didn't relize that
sturdy fjord
choose ESP
turbid rock
I just noticed it before
sturdy fjord
and run disks app and show the contents
turbid rock
sturdy fjord
so your system isn't even installed.
turbid rock
driving me crazy
sturdy fjord
mint just created the partition but didn't actually install anything
sturdy fjord
driving me crazy
you may try to run the Mx Linux installer and install it
turbid rock
I will
After that, what would you like me to do?
I'm restarting to see if it works, without the usb plugged in
It in fact works. @sturdy fjord and @candid eagle
You think there was something wrong with the installer and ISO file?
sturdy fjord
You think there was something wrong with the installer and ISO file?
possibly. or just some very specific bug in mint installer
turbid rock
I prefer Mint, What would be the best path forward now?
sturdy fjord
I prefer Mint, What would be the best path forward now?
verify that the image on the ventoy drive is correct with sha256sum or thru ventoy verify.
turbid rock
candid eagle
It in fact works. <@611474490265960458> and <@725510568492138497>
what works, your installed Mint?
turbid rock
I installed MX Linux. It worked
candid eagle
oh
well at least you have a linux OS š
u did REINSTALL GRUB, not REPAIR GRUB right?
turbid rock
I verified the ISO of Mint on the USB. I donāt think itās right.
candid eagle
kek
candid eagle
https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/verify.html
to this?
turbid rock
u did REINSTALL GRUB, not REPAIR GRUB right?
Apparently, Mint Installer didnāt even got that far.
turbid rock
@candid eagle well this is the output. For the SHA256 on the Ventoy USB
candid eagle
ok so it matches on the ventoy usb stick. maybe it wrote bad on ur unetbootin usb so
u could try to install with the ventoy stick.
turbid rock
ok so it matches on the ventoy usb stick. maybe it wrote bad on ur unetbootin us...
I'll try it later. Running out of time unfortunately.
I really appreciated you guys help with this.
candid eagle
play some brickbreaker in MX games
lbreakout or w/e it's called
the MX tweaks too included in the MX Tools is useful to easily switch ur taskbar to places n a host of other cool tweaks.
sturdy fjord
u did REINSTALL GRUB, not REPAIR GRUB right?
I'm pretty sure that the mint installer didn't even put anything on the partitions, as Mx boot repair couldn't find any commands inside chroot
candid eagle
I'm pretty sure that the mint installer didn't even put anything on the partitio...
possibly. I saw root folder but didn'thave him check in them
and the boot summary read F-all in p1 (the supposed ESP)
i believe it errored after installing main OS. grub is the very last stage.
candid eagle
post-install reference
candid eagle
I'm pretty sure that the mint installer didn't even put anything on the partitio...
it did add data
487 is raw disk after ext4 consumes 13 GB
462 is metric gig, just like in disks-app
anyway that's all nuked now since installing MX
still Mint only take 8 to 10 Gigs, not 20-25
turbid rock
I left the installer running for about 30 minutes at that who are you screen before giving up. Iām not sure what was going on with it.
candid eagle
Oh u just tried Mint again?
FYI an install to SSD takes about 8 minutes. Even quicker on nvme with superspeed usb
sturdy fjord
FYI an install to SSD takes about 8 minutes. Even quicker on nvme with superspee...
I believe it isn't actually doing anything, it just crashes every time.
@turbid rock you could propably install mint manually, kinda like arch, if you really want mint
candid eagle
I believe it isn't actually doing anything, it just crashes every time.
why the data consumption on the SSD as shown then?
or get Mint 21.3 Virginia, or Linux Mint Debian Edition 6. (mx linux 23 is debian with similar kernel)
- there's nothing seemingly wrong with BIOS, NVRAM, or SSD as MX installed just fine.
turbid rock
I meant before. Sorry, I should have clarified
candid eagle
I meant before. Sorry, I should have clarified
anyway best chill for today. Have a look at the MX Help Manual pdf to learn about linux. it's really well written/drawn.
turbid rock
Okay.
turbid rock
The installer works with Virginia. I guess it is a bug with the latest version
Weird that Mint 22 worked on my laptop but not my desktop.
sturdy fjord
The installer works with Virginia. I guess it is a bug with the latest version
nice. you can use 21.3 till 2027 as that's when it'll keep being updated, so you're good
turbid rock
Nice. You think Iāll be able to upgrade to 22 or itās not worth the try?
turbid rock
Could we send this chat to the Linux Mint team to let them know?
subtle horizon
Nice. You think Iāll be able to upgrade to 22 or itās not worth the try?
You can, with mintupdate. Though there might be some stuff to setup prior.
tepid sorrel
Could we send this chat to the Linux Mint team to let them know?
Not the entire chat, please. You could help the project by opening an issue on the correct tracker. Start here: https://projects.linuxmint.com/reporting-an-issue.html
What I think happened: The system failed to install Grub, the bootloader. This is seen in how MX could not find the grub-install command. So you want to report that Grub installation fails during Mint 22 installation, making the install unbootable. Make sure you did try with the correct, undamaged ISO.
tepid sorrel
You can, with `mintupdate`. Though there might be some stuff to setup prior.
Updating across major milestones is surgery, and mintupdate has a certain failure rate. So make very sure to have a Timeshift snapshot to roll back to in case you need it. But then, sure, have a go at upgrading to 22.
turbid rock
Updating across major milestones is surgery, and `mintupdate` has a certain fail...
Thank you sir.
How would I roll back in case something went wrong?
turbid rock
Well, I appreciate all your help with the installation. It was kind of an ass backwards way to get to this point but Iām happy. š
Iāll boost the server as a thank you
candid eagle
Well, I appreciate all your help with the installation. It was kind of an ass ba...
ah I see you went the upgrade route.
please add back the original message line (something like Mint 22 install hangs) and edit the tags at top to solved.
SOLVED Used Ventoy USB, did a clean install of Mint 21.3. Upgraded to 22 from there.
turbid rock
Mint 22 install hangs
turbid rock
How could I add the option to boot to Windows in the GRUB menu after reinstalling the Windows drive in my PC?
candid eagle
How could I add the option to boot to Windows in the GRUB menu after reinstallin...
run boot repair tool from Mint live desktop
turbid rock
Ah, thatās a good idea. I used the terminal.
turbid rock
run boot repair tool from Mint live desktop
Does it need to be mint 22?
Live desktop
turbid rock
Thank you