#os crash during mint installation! how can I recover my data?

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wheat junco
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yeah

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you'll have to right click sda2 and try to resize here.

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wheat junco
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resize it so Windows only has 97 GB or 100 GB

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yeah click edit

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wheat junco
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this installer is using Metric GB

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wheat junco
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no , there has to be an option to resize it first.

low yacht
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Experience it for the first time

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wheat junco
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oh there's a link to it.. ok

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yeah u'll have to resize it with that then

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I was really hoping the installer would be like regular Linux Mint 21 (based on Ubuntu) where it offers a very simple slider to divide up the free space Windows has)

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wheat junco
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no just this one ur trying to do.

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it was easy as hell for me

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wheat junco
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you're using LMDE 6 which is the latest all-Debian version.

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the latest flagship version based on Ubuntu is Mint 21.3

low yacht
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Which one is better

wheat junco
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i havent tried both so i cant say definitively. The flagship version is known to be easier overall.

low yacht
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Should we try that then?

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What do you say

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Like let's give it a last try and move to flagship

wheat junco
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yeah if ur a newbie.. and u are.. i dont see why u wouldnt have started with that.

low yacht
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What's flagship btw

wheat junco
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flagship is the leading showpiece version

low yacht
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Someone on the server told me Faye would be best for my low end laptop 🙂

wheat junco
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well u have ventoy usb now. u can put easily other ISOs on it.. n give em a spin. if flagship Mint Cinnamon isn't handling well, u can go with Mint xfce.

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anyway did u resize ? if u wanna give it one last go on this?

low yacht
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I'm dead by now

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It's 1:20am

wheat junco
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ohh u know what else I just remembered

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wheat junco
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I remember once reading in the linuxmint website, that LMDE doesnt play nice with multiboot iso loaders.. like ventoy. and Rufus is a bit buggered too. U can if u want, try to make the USB with Balena Etcher in Windows tomorrow

low yacht
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We're playing on every possibility

wheat junco
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yeah dont make the data partition til the very, VERY end after Linux is working well.

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alright goodnight then.

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wheat junco
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ty

terse hill
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For what it's worth, I installed Faye on this very machine I am typing on from a Ventoy medium. But I concur that Mint 21.3 is the sane choice for this.

low yacht
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@wheat junco are you up ?

wheat junco
low yacht
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Where we left yesterday

wheat junco
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so to carry on from yesterday, resize the big green section

low yacht
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We were unable to do that from gpart

wheat junco
low yacht
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Yeah

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For os partition

wheat junco
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97 for Windows

low yacht
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Exactly

wheat junco
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just right click sda2 on gparted, and shrink

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u know how to do it

low yacht
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Dkne

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Now unallocated is 368gb

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@wheat junco

wheat junco
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ok

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pick that newly made on for linux, and set its mountpoint to root

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see if the installer will have that box like before to make a filesystem

wheat junco
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wheat junco
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yes. can u select that free space?

low yacht
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Yeah

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But can't edit

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Should I try next ?

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Clicking on next

wheat junco
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dont think it'll work

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wheat junco
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if not, go back to gparted, make that space (create) ext4 filesystem

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since we are doing this all manually.

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stay in gparted.

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you'll need to add a flag to sda1 (besides the 'boot' one) namely, bios_grub or grub

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low yacht
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@wheat junco do we have to make any changes ?

wheat junco
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yeah just slap the label on there as 'linux' just for easy id

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hit add, then do what I said for sda1 above

wheat junco
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hmm nothing with grub? scroll it.. and what does the very top one say?

low yacht
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Nothing to scroll that's all we have

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First one is bls_boot

wheat junco
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let me see what that bls thing is

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check on that bls-boot flag, (in addition to the boot one)

low yacht
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Both ?

wheat junco
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yes

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BLS and boot

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Dome

wheat junco
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then apply all changes

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*done

wheat junco
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then in the installer, edit sda3, to set its mountpoint

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Mount point would be

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" / "

wheat junco
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yes

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Format as ?

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Blank ?

wheat junco
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u can check format ext4, (even tho we did it already) but just to be cool

low yacht
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Install grub.......... /Dev/sda

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Next

wheat junco
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wait

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does it give option to put grub in sda1?

low yacht
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🌚🌝

wheat junco
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cuz last time u put it just to sda (the disk) as per my recommendation

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but then it had load problems

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can u put it on sda1?

low yacht
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Yes

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It gives sda1

wheat junco
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ok set it to that then for the grub loader

low yacht
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Install grub to... Sda1

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Many more are there

wheat junco
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only need that

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Sda3.... Etc

wheat junco
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then proceed to the next step

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@wheat junco install?

wheat junco
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no

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something in the summary is odd

low yacht
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Damn

wheat junco
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nevermind.. sdb2 raised my attention but that's just ventoy's boot partition.. it's fine.

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see u in 20 minutes.. good luck on the installation

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@wheat junco root acc is locked!! We're back to hell

wheat junco
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i can't figure out this craziness.

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unless the darn iso is bad

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u can do the file integrity check from the Ventoy boot menu, and compare the numbers to the text file for LMDE on linuxmint.com

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but at this point, it's absurd either way.

wheat junco
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boot ventoy, pick lmde

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then it shows the option

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@wheat junco which one to select

wheat junco
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sha256sum

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im wondering if this is all your fault for picking mint for the user name.

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and the computer name

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you couldn't be a bit more creative?

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locked root account

low yacht
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🙂💔

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Do you really think username is being the real trouble

wheat junco
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yeah maybe that's the default name for the debian administrator (just a hunch)

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anyway did u compare the sha numbers??

low yacht
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It's calculating

wheat junco
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bring the website up on ur phone

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wheat junco
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yeah and it failed everytime

low yacht
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We can try again

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To see

wheat junco
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find the lmde download, and the sha txt file, save and open it, and compare

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if u do reinstall, show pic exactly on the spot u make the account

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wheat junco
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compare

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verify first the sum

wheat junco
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i told u where

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Website

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@wheat junco

wheat junco
wheat junco
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wheat junco
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ok fine, but did u verify? otherwise if iso is bad, wasting tme

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wheat junco
low yacht
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Netherlands evoluso

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Same

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96963cac1ac2ad4ba38414e618adbcdf64a6faadc3 3ddf53889fa3dc74d59df4 *1mde-6-cinnamon-

64bit.iso

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//

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96963cac1ac2ad4ba38414e618adbcdf64a6faadc33ddf53889fa3dc74d59df4 (hd0,1)/1mde-6-cinnamon-64bit.iso

wheat junco
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good

low yacht
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@wheat junco hope it's fine now

wheat junco
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what's the very next page after user acct?

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Install type

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Partition

wheat junco
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manual and erase?

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Yeah

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Auto install... Manual partition

wheat junco
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k so do like last time, keep same flags, no need to resize

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just edit sda3, format as ext4, /,

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grub to sda1 like before

low yacht
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It's already set this next.

wheat junco
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just right click the blue, make sure the "format" box is ticked, and proper mountpoint

low yacht
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Blue ? That is unclickable

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We can only click things under device

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Should I click sda3 and mount it ?

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Like earlier @wheat junco

wheat junco
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right click sda3

low yacht
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Did

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Ext4

wheat junco
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make absolutely sure the format (as ext4) box is selected and ON

low yacht
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Both selected

wheat junco
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ok. then

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so that it writes over any bad stuff from before

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wheat junco
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looks fine

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bbl

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Installing......

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Root acc locked!!!!!!!!!! @wheat junco

wheat junco
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that's too bad. the ONLY remaining option is to try with Etcher.

wheat junco
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or just go straight to mint 21.3 ubuntu based right now

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wheat junco
wheat junco
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Which one is lighter ?

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Better

wheat junco
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in the sense that it has a 'driver manager' app, and u can add private repos, and that the account/admin requirements are a bit more flexible

low yacht
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Faster

wheat junco
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both the same for speed i'm willing to say that. they both use Cinnamon 6 which carries the agility overhead

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Mint xfce though is more peppy in general

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it's their lightest option.

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But I don't like the interface

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Too old to use

wheat junco
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it looks the same pretty much. have u seen pics or videos of mint xfce?

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im not talking plain-ass xfce from ubuntu

low yacht
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Not much a very few pics

wheat junco
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pardon?

low yacht
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What do you prefer mint ubantu or debian

wheat junco
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cinnamon settings on the left.. xfce settings on right

low yacht
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I've used kali Linux in 2021

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wheat junco
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What do you say

wheat junco
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that's mint xfce start menu

low yacht
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I like dark mode

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In everything I use

wheat junco
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light/dark is always configurable in any distro

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I hope my laptop will survive it

wheat junco
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is it a Sony actually?

low yacht
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Sony // amd dual core e-450 1.65ghz // 4gb // 500hdd

wheat junco
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dual core.. i think it should be adequate

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esp. for v20

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u can give it a go.. in a year or two u might change it

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If we're running Faye ...

wheat junco
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Faye is the codename for LMDE 6, and only that.

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Mint Cinnamon 20.3 (flagship) is lighter than what we're trying to run?

wheat junco
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I believe it is, based on what some ppl here have said regarding 21 (with version 6 Cinnamon) acting sluggish in some cases

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20.x had Cinn 5.8 or something

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the older one should have no trouble at all with your 15 year old laptop

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What do you currently use

terse hill
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If you really want lightweight, I recommend Lubuntu. As for Mint Cinnamon, it will run, and I have not noticed it being slower on Cinnamon 6.

wheat junco
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an intel i5 cpu, 4 GB RAM, SATA SSD, running q4os

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q4 with KDE Plasma desktop

terse hill
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I actually have an E350 system, pretty similar to your old laptop. I might test some with it, but I will only have time on the weekend.

wheat junco
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Curu, I had her reinstall LMDE meticulously at least 3 times, with much scrutiny

terse hill
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I noticed. Shame it failed.

wheat junco
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and while it does boot, it halts in Emergency mode, and says 'root account is locked'

terse hill
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I think this is a Debian shortcoming in this particular use case.

wheat junco
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I even inspected the account creation step.. there was NO option for a normal-user acct plus a "root user" acct. so no way it could have gotten buggered in that step

terse hill
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Some regression with the LMDE logic that drops it back into Debian mode, which is silly mode.

wheat junco
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u said u successfully did it.. even with Ventoy.. but i take it, yours was on ESP setup?

terse hill
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Yes. I use UEFI boot whenever I can.

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MBR is such a rare fringe use case these days that hardly anybody tests for it any more.

wheat junco
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mhm

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my only 2 laptops only have legacy BIOS

terse hill
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I would give Mint main a shot, but I personally would go with 21.3. Other than that, good options for that slow hardware are Lubuntu and AntiX. I hesitate to recommend AntiX because of the crude UI, but it is proven to do MBR very well. It is made for old clunkers like this one.

wheat junco
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had no issues though.. 2 internal installs, and one external install even.

terse hill
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Sure, but you did not inflict a Sony on yourself.

wheat junco
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indeed.

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someone I know had a Sony Vaio PINK netbook, and it was so lovely.. when quite new, running Win 7 on a spinner.

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ran very well, just a bit long to boot up

terse hill
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The designs were nice, but they were nightmares to maintain or repair.

wheat junco
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well @low yacht what will it be?

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the sony power light that would fade in and out like 'breathing' in sleep mode was so cool

terse hill
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@wheat junco what's there today

wheat junco
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did you download anything new?

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Tell me which one to do

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@wheat junco Mint Cinnamon 20.3 (flagship)

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21.3

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Which one ?

wheat junco
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wheat junco
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scroll way down, pick one of the locations nearest u, and click the link beside them

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copy to ventoy, and verify the iso like yesterday. shasum file is on that page link above.

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@wheat junco done

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Started as normal boot

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Start linux mint ?

wheat junco
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did u check it iso?

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*the

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wheat junco
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verify from ventoy

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Done

wheat junco
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it matches?

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Yea

wheat junco
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then start normal

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Done

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Install window is same almost

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It has some new options

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Like OEM install // integrity check

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It's working faster than previous one

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Finally I'm on desktop

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Install Linux mint @wheat junco ?

wheat junco
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no

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test the sound, headphones, ethernet port, WiFI.. video playback first, and test the general feel

low yacht
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It's totally same

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No changes to be honest

wheat junco
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so everything works for the hardware?

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But speed is better

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Connecting with WiFi

wheat junco
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good. test that

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One more thing now I'm able to high and low screen brightness

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But in previous one it was not working

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💔

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wheat junco
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alriight.. u test web browser/ video

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Yeah

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Browser a bit slow

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Sound and video working

wheat junco
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ok

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run up Disks app

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let's see where u stand

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wheat junco
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i would run up gparted then, and delete sda3

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Dome

wheat junco
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applied?

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*done

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Just deleted

wheat junco
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apply the change. then u run installer, and install to that space

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(close gparted before run the installer)

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Asking to install multi media codes

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Should I check or not

wheat junco
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if ur connected to internet, check off Yes

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it helps with versatility to play various movie files

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or audio

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It's already unchecked

wheat junco
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and pick anything but mint for real name and username

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I'm connected to internet

wheat junco
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check it to on

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Done

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Installation window is slow

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It loads

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@wheat junco have you ever used kali ?

wheat junco
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no. i've seen it tho

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wheat junco
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no

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remember sdb is your ventoy drive

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mounting means it's in an active state, ready for read/write. It needs to stay mounted to be able to have the installation files accessible for copying

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wheat junco
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see that's the option I was talking about. However, since u already made a blank unformatted area, pick "something else"

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choose the free space which should be about 400 GB, click on + to add a Volume, make it ext4, and set it's mountpoint to root

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@wheat junco check on ok?

wheat junco
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no, select as Primary partition

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then ok

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Done

wheat junco
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bootloader as shown as default to sda device.. then Install button

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wheat junco
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👍

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@wheat junco continue?

wheat junco
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yep do it

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u read the stuff well, u will learn exactly what's going on.. u've done it many times now

low yacht
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Yasss!!

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It's all same like

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Faye

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Didn't see much changes

wheat junco
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mostly. u did notice the installer is a bit different though

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and this one detected another OS

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usually for newbies, they don't even need to prepare space, they just click the first option to install alongside. (or erase everything if they want to overwrite Windows or whatever's already there)

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wheat junco
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retype the password from the first field, then again in 2nd

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i can see one's shorter than the other 😛

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and DONT FORGET IT

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😹😹😹😹

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Excitement 😁

wheat junco
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yeah u should write it down or have it precisely memorized, you'll need that password because it's also the admin password to clean up system files or add/remove programs

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I'll

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Have you used ubantu ?

wheat junco
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yes 3 versions of it

low yacht
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It's one of the popular distro

wheat junco
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i never went with the flagship one cuz I hate the look. But i tried Ubuntu Budgie and it was lovely. Ubuntu MATE was also great (and quite stylable), and briefly tried Xubuntu

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and I hear good things from folks here on the lightweight Lubuntu

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Xubuntu is lighter

wheat junco
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Lubuntu is the lightest

low yacht
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How about the one we're using ? Isn't that popular 😂

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Mint

wheat junco
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Mint?

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yeah it's very good.

low yacht
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I have a friend who is a network engineer... He uses ubuntu

wheat junco
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I have an SSD and it flies. (but even on a hard drive externally, I tried it and was good)

low yacht
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I switched to linux just bcoz of speed! I use multiple tabs on chrome but it takes time which I really hate

wheat junco
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if installation works well, set up your network logins, and then do a Timeshift backup (a manual one) immediately to your external 1 TB drive.

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and keep your Ventoy USB as an emergency rescue disk. (it can be used to boot live as a form of rescue tool, to restore timeshift, etc)

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u can also add any files to the Ventoy flash drive as a usual drive.

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but for Timeshift backup, use the 1 TB.. Timeshift is a synchronizing program that makes an exact copy of all the system files/ program files of a working system, so if it is working fine today, u will want to make that backup of the working Mint system. (and later u can add another backup say a week or two from now)

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  • oh and in the Welcome Screen, please do choose your local mirrors (for downloading software sources quickly)
wheat junco
low yacht
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I still have confusion about linux distros naming scheme

wheat junco
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and it comes standard on Mint, and most distros.. But u can also get Chrome as well, as a backup browser, in case the rare media-heavy, javascript-heavy site doesnt load right on Firefox

low yacht
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Linux - mint - faye

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Linux - mint - flagship

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Ubantu etc

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wheat junco
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Linux Mint is the distribution name. Faye is a version codename (like how Win Vista codename was "neptune"

wheat junco
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What is flavour

wheat junco
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a term that usually is the same distro core but with a different desktop environment as the default.

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DE or 'desktop' simply is the main graphical interface u use. there's 6 major ones in linux

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Cinnamon, gnome, xfce, kde plasma, MATE, Lxqt

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What are we currently using ?

wheat junco
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u should know

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I guess

wheat junco
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ya

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wheat junco
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= 20.3

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Una is?

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Distro?

wheat junco
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just the codename for the version of this Mint.

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Linux Mint is the distro name

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just like Windows 95 had codename Chicago, Window 98 had codename Memphis,, XP was Whistler

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Mint 20.x is based on the software repositories (repos) of Ubuntu 20.04 (codename Focal Fossa)

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ubuntu version numbers are based on the YEAR/MONTH so it came out 2020-4 (april)

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and all the April releases with even-numbered years are Long-term Support (LTS) which means the software repos get updates for the available stuff for 5 years from launch.

low yacht
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Damn! Windows is easier with naming

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Btw, it worked

wheat junco
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yay

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Congratulations

wheat junco
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to u

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you're welcome.

low yacht
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Literally thanks to you!! For your time and efforts 🤠

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I wasn't expecting someone would help me with my situation 😅

wheat junco
low yacht
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Win7 and linux dual boot

wheat junco
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u got Grub menu with auto-timer right?

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from which u can also pick Windows 7 to launch...

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u may now also use ventoy to boot live again and resize your drive to whatever u want.

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with gparted. (must be done in live mode only)

low yacht
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The only task left to be done

wheat junco
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simple resize the linux partition (shrink it). then edit the resulting grey space to be NTFS.

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and label it.

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From live mode only

wheat junco
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yes.

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i would also use a stopwatch, and write down exactly how long it takes to load:

  • Windows 7
  • Linux Mint 20.3
    from the moment you press Enter on the Grub menu item, until the desktop fully loads all its icons and taskbar stuff.
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and write that down. so u know the baseline on healthy system.

low yacht
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Sure

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😹

wheat junco
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just good for your own information.

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when you get a pc or possibly upgrade this one with a SSD (solid state drive) you'll be amazed at the speed difference.

low yacht
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I've done it with win10

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Btw where do I have to make changes I forgot a bit

wheat junco
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wdym?

low yacht
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Free space preceing ...new size...... Free space following

wheat junco
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um

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just drag the right edge of the rectangle leftwards

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then then numbers will change accordingly

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dont drag the whole rectangle though

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just the right-hand edge

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I'd leave Linux Mint at LEAST with 60 GiB

low yacht
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Should I click add

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Set ?

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wheat junco
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if u start saving pictures a lot there.. idk it's hard to change it later

low yacht
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Don't worry windows is for data

wheat junco
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ok fine. ur call.

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apply the Data partition

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Final picture

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Apply @wheat junco ?

wheat junco
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yes

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save this photo now. or rename it to something good.

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u may want it for reference at some point

low yacht
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Doing it

wheat junco
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or save it off of Discord when u log into Win 7, or Mint.

low yacht
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Why we can't save pictures here

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On discord

wheat junco
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ur in live mode

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oh if ur on your smartphone.. u can too i guess. idk

low yacht
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I'll make a folder on drive for linux only

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😹

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I don't know why we wasted time on FAYE

wheat junco
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yes in that folder, save critical screenshots. plus text note files with handy commands n notes.

low yacht
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Ubuntu based things are premium 🤣

wheat junco
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or you can make that folder in your Documents folder in Linux Mint.

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so u will have easy access to notes there.

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oh and another thing I would REALLY change, is turn OFF the "Hide File extensions for known filetypes" in Windows. if the file extensions are hidden, as they are by default, it's too easy to accidentally launch a malware exe (executable) file which can be a virus. If u can see the file extension in the name, it helps be more cautious.

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in Windows, .com, .exe, .bat, .msi , .scr (screensaver) files are executable as programs

low yacht
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Gotcha 💖

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Timeshift back and notes that will be for tomorrow

wheat junco
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also check out Hypnotix in Mint. it has a free-tv playlist that has some international channels u can watch internet-based TV on ur computer. (not all channels work, but many do)

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and be sure to watch some Youtube vids (especially by the creator 'ExplainingComputers' on Linux Mint newbie stuff.

wheat junco
low yacht
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You should start a YouTube channel 😹

wheat junco
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Joe Collins Linux channel is also good for relaxing explanations on Mint to fall asleep to.

wheat junco
low yacht
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What do you professionally do

wheat junco
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electrical stuff

low yacht
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🤨 electrical stuff

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Aren't you into IT?

wheat junco
low yacht
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@wheat junco now win7 is running with sda2

wheat junco
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that's fine

low yacht
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@wheat junco making notes for linux! would you like to add something from your side?

wheat junco
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ya i have some notes

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****To find out what Linux kernel and/or Distribution version,
In Terminal window type:

uname -r (This specifies the linux kernel version)
uname -a (Specifies kernel and 32/64 bit version, and other info)

cat /etc/issue (This specifies the Distribution name, release number, codename)

lsb_release -a (This also specifies Distro name/number,etc. and founding type}

****To see a list of hardware deep details of your system, and drive partitioning scheme, enter:

inxi -Fxxxz

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****To see if Swap memory is in use or where located, enter:

cat /proc/swaps
or
free -h (shows swap memory in use, regular memory usage/free)

****TO FIND SWAPPINESS:

sysctl vm.swappiness

OR " cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness"

wheat junco
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see the "You can make it look like this: " line

wheat junco
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or leave it.. in case it breaks Grub.

low yacht
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@wheat junco how can I change time format? I've turned off the 24hrs format but it's still same

terse hill
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System Settings > Date & Time > Use 24h clock

wheat junco
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right click the clock applet, configure.

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may take a full minute to update itself.

low yacht
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i don't want 24hrs format

i want to add AM PM
@wheat junco

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tried it terminal but didn't workout

wheat junco
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no

wheat junco
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u can change it there. then restart Cinnamon if necessary

low yacht
wheat junco
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alt+F2 then r

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don't mess with that. it's very unnecessary and over ur head

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the clock applet has its own settings

low yacht
wheat junco
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uncheck custom date format

low yacht
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it also hides sunday march

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but changes the time format

wheat junco
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do u want it to show the date on one line?

low yacht
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damn! i have fixed it same as i wanted

wheat junco
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all u had to do was uncheck custom

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%I:%M %P is the manual way

low yacht
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i was watching move in chrome win 7 it was lagging... the frames i mean but when i tried the same on linux it's smooth

wheat junco
wheat junco
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u can get the "Improve Youtube" extension in Firefox to skips video ads.

low yacht
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it worked without messing with code

wheat junco
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ok

low yacht
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i just had to turn off and turn on the right settings

wheat junco
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ya simpler is always better

low yacht
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at first i felt messy but now getting familiar with mint

wheat junco
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i never had to put manual time codes in for this distro.. but I gave them to you anyway

low yacht
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means alot for me!

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i'll note it down

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i have copied your notes mentioned above

wheat junco
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Reference: https://linux.die.net/man/3/strftime

%l (hour - 12hr format 1 to 12)

%M (minute)

%P (am or pm lowercase)
%p (am or pm uppercase)

%S (seconds)

%r (time in a.m. or p.m. notation. In the POSIX locale this is equivalent to %I:%M:%S %p.)


%I (hour 12-hr clock 01 to 12 using two digits)
%R (full 24 hr time)
%T (full 24 hr time including seconds)

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note that ^

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i believe it is a capital i, not a lowercase L

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I l

low yacht
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copied

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i was using iris as blue light filter in win 7 is there any way use the filter in linux

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iris blue light filter

wheat junco
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oh the top one is a lowercase L, and the bottom one for 12hr clock using 2 digits for hour is a capital i

wheat junco
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if the default settings are horrible, and it doesn't give you a graphical way to adjust, then I'll give u the proper settings

low yacht
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is there any way to make it dark

wheat junco
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lol

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u never explored the welcome screen?

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u can do it from Welcome screen (search by that name in start menu)
or by Themes/ Appearance (see in System settings, or search menu)

low yacht
wheat junco
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blinking?

low yacht
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after clicking to the redshift my screen is going yellow and normal within gap of 2 secs

wheat junco
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oh it's alternating that way.

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need to adjust the settings of the program

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see if there's a redshift lighbulb icon in the notification area of the panel

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is there?

wheat junco
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right click it and select "quit"

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i'll send u the proper settings

low yacht
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now its not blinking

wheat junco
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ofc, u quit the program

low yacht
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it's gone screen is now yellow

wheat junco
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open Nemo

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(file manager is called that)

low yacht
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done

wheat junco
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ok, it opened to yor home folder right?

low yacht
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yup

wheat junco
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go to the View menu, and pick 'show hidden files/folders'

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(Ctrl+H also does this)

low yacht
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done

wheat junco
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then go into the .config folder

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scroll thru its contents, near bottom where text files are.. see if there is a "redshift.conf" file

low yacht
wheat junco
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ok, right click blank area in the file area there.. pick create new > blank file

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name it redshift.conf exactly

low yacht
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done

wheat junco
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go into it, (double click should open with a text editor

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; Global settings
[redshift]
temp-day=6500
temp-night=6100
transition=1
gamma=0.9:0.8:0.9
location-provider=manual
;adjustment-method=vidmode

; The location provider and adjustment method settings
; are in their own sections.
[manual]
lat=
lon=

; In this example screen 1 is adjusted by vidmode. Note
; that the numbering starts from 0, so this is actually
; the second screen.
;[vidmode]
;screen=1

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copy and paste the above into it. Notice the lat= and lon= fields are blank..

low yacht
wheat junco
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no just double click the blank file

low yacht
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file means folder here right?

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or i had to create a editor file

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we have the file now

wheat junco
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a file is a blank file whose icon looks like white paper

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a folder is a folder that is yellow

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or green, in ur case

wheat junco
low yacht
wheat junco
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search your general city there, and copy the latitude, and longitude from the google address bar

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4 decimal places is plenty enough

low yacht
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26.9124° N, 75.7873° E

wheat junco
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u can delete that from here.

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put each value in the proper lines in the file

low yacht
wheat junco
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that's just so it knows your general time zone

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so it knows when to change the screen colour based on time of day /sunset

low yacht
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i keep it yellow all the time

wheat junco
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erase the N and E

low yacht
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i hate brightness it kills eyes

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done!

wheat junco
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delete the degrees symbols

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only the numerical values stay.. then,

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if u want to keep it all day and night,

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set the temp day and temp night to equal values.. 6100 is fair but not very yellow.. 5650 is more yellow, as would be 5600.. anything below 5000 is disgusting, in my opinion.

low yacht
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to be honest current value is fine

wheat junco
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well it hasnt taken effect yet

low yacht
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oh

wheat junco
#

but anyway, set both day n night to 6100, and u can adjust later.. also the gamma values affect Red, Green, and Blue respectively.

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u can make them all equal to .9 or .8 or .7, or tweak.. each time u save the file, u must quit redshift, and restart it to see the change.

low yacht
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what should i value it?
A

wheat junco
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i'd leave the gamma values alone as is for now n see how it goes

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or try 5900 for the night value

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u'll see a difference when it goes from day time to dark.. (just for fun) u can later change exactly what u prefer

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then save the file, delete the green folder u may have made earlier if by accident.

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then start Redshift from the menu

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it will take effect with new values.

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u can also right click it, and choose Start at login , for autostart

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right clicking the lightbulb icon, i mean

low yacht
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failed to run redshift

wheat junco
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re-edit the file.

low yacht
wheat junco
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no spaces between the = and the numbers in the lat/lon

low yacht
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same error

wheat junco
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do you use decimal points (periods) for decimals in your locale, or commas?

low yacht
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what do you mean

wheat junco
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is your system set up to display 75-point-7873 with a comma or a dot?

low yacht
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dot i guess

wheat junco
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I dont think it should matter though for the purposes of the file.

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try to comment out the three things:

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  • location-provider
  • lat
  • lon
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by putting a ; infront of them

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then save the file, and restart redshift

low yacht
wheat junco
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no. make it like the other lines which have a ";" infront of them (they are comments)

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oh, also delete all those > symbols.. that's what's messing it up

low yacht
wheat junco
low yacht
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isn't there any way to delete them all with a single click?

wheat junco
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; Global settings
[redshift]
temp-day=6500
temp-night=6100
transition=1
gamma=0.9:0.8:0.9
location-provider=manual
;adjustment-method=vidmode

; The location provider and adjustment method settings
; are in their own sections.
[manual]
lat=26.9124
lon=75.7873

; In this example screen 1 is adjusted by vidmode. Note
; that the numbering starts from 0, so this is actually
; the second screen.
;[vidmode]
;screen=1

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it should look exactly like that except for the temp-day and temp-night values

wheat junco
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or from what I just put ^^

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just change the day n night to what u had.

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6100 and 5900 respectively

low yacht
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worked

wheat junco
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coollllllll

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now u know how to adjust it for next time.. and set the Autostart thing as i said

low yacht
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it's not showing the bulb icon on task bar

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screen is blinking

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isn't there anything like end task ?

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alt + ctlr + delete

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@wheat junco are you there

wheat junco
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Yeah was a little busy just now

wheat junco
low yacht
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screen is sh*t now

wheat junco
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ctrl alt delete to bring up system monitor

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then go to processes tab

low yacht
wheat junco
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oops not that sorry

low yacht
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that's all i'm getting with that

wheat junco
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bring up a terminal.

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type killall redshift

low yacht
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bring back the screen color

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it's purple

wheat junco
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it's purple??

low yacht
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yeah

wheat junco
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killall redshift-gtk

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also if u need to log out real quick, just type Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (and save that to your mind/ notes)

low yacht
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no process found!

low yacht
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worked

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thanks!

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we will play with it later when you are free

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i need speed meter too

wheat junco
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Click the add/remove tab in Applets, search more online, search "Download and Upload Speed" or vice versa.. click the get or plus sign, then go into the first tab, and put a checkmark on it to enable it/make it active on the panel.

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  • u may move its location on panel by entering edit mode on right click, and drag it
  • right click the applet itself and setup configuration - PICK WIRELESS OR WIRED interface as applicable, and set to display kiloBITS/s (recommended) or kilobytes/s.
low yacht
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@wheat junco

wheat junco
low yacht
wheat junco
low yacht
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i have downloaded it but where to star using it?

low yacht
wheat junco
low yacht
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now i have changed the network interface settings and it has stated working

wheat junco
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I told you.

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😋

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those 3 letter interface codes are always prone to change a tiny bit from pc to pc

wheat junco
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@low yacht did you try to time how long it takes to startup Mint (from the moment u press enter on mint option in the Grub menu til the desktop fully loads its icons) ?

low yacht
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often leave it on sleep

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btw i just got a ssd stata 2.5

wheat junco
low yacht
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and 35-40 sec for linux

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@wheat junco further I want to delete chrome and use mozila. how can i do that?

wheat junco
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those times are pretty decent

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especially for a mechanical hard drive

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which OS are you talking about for the browsers?

low yacht
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currently using mozila

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now it feels like i should switch to chrome

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would that be a good choice?

low yacht
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as i mentioned ealier

wheat junco
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neat

wheat junco
low yacht
wheat junco
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if you're talking about for linux, keep both.

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good to have a backup one, in case of some unforeseen incident

low yacht
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sure!

wheat junco
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I'd stick with Firefox. from experience, it seems to scroll Youtube faster

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you can set it to be default browser in its own settings. Often it will ask you if you don't set that preference

low yacht
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I will do that

low yacht
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@wheat junco i have one more query! I have wifi but i don't know the password neither my brother is going to tell me because he's nerd due to my studies. I have access to router i don't want to reset neither i can use wps nearby connect. I tried plugin Ethernet cable coming from router to my laptop it was working but how can i know the password of wifi

wheat junco
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the other possibility is to connect to the router via ethernet cable, then administer it IF the router has the factory password still intact and not changed

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@low yacht get me so far?

low yacht
wheat junco
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I thought you said wps was working earlier

wheat junco
low yacht
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yes it shows that all

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i tried to use that IP to access the admin page with pass and username

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but invalid

wheat junco
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with the cable connection right?

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if it's been changed, then forget it

low yacht
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but when i use the ethernet cable to my laptop it work

wheat junco
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yeah for general network access sure

low yacht
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but i can't use wifi

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that's sad

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@wheat junco isn't there any way now?

wheat junco
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no

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well sort of

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but u gotta buy something

low yacht
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but that's strange you know when i'm using ethernet i can use internet but not wifi

low yacht
wheat junco
wheat junco
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but if ur brother is mean and unplugs it, you're screwed again

low yacht
wheat junco
#

Connections

An AP connects directly to a wired local[3] area network, typically Ethernet, and the AP then provides wireless connections using wireless LAN technology, typically Wi-Fi, for other devices to use that wired connection. APs support the connection of multiple wireless devices through their one wired connection.

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In computer networking, a wireless access point, or more generally just access point (AP), is a networking hardware device that allows other Wi-Fi devices to connect to a wired network or wireless network. As a standalone device, the AP may have a wired connection to a switch or router, but, in a wireless router, it can also be an integral compo...

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that would have to plug in to router via an ethernet cable, and to power; the cable can be long or short

low yacht
wheat junco
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it will create its own Wifi signal, separate from the router's own wifi

wheat junco
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u can also use a cheap 2nd Wifi router as AP , it would have to be set as BRIDGE (REPEATER) mode

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see vid near bottom ^

wheat junco
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yeah something like that, but just keep in mind you'll also need a long enough cable to go from the router to the ceiling or wall near your area

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the main advantage of this device is that it brings a wifi signal closer to you (via a cable)

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The device also consumes a small amount of power, as the description says, a PoE (Power over Ethernet) injector is included, to send power from close to the source (the router, power outlet) over the ethernet cable itself, to the AP

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Also, I'm not really sure how WiFi security and administration would be set up with this device, but I'm sure it's easily researched.

low yacht
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so it's basically like i 'm using Ethernet cable to run internet

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btw, firefox gets crash a few times as far as i have experienced personally

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@wheat junco further i would like to reset my redshift

wheat junco
wheat junco
low yacht
wheat junco
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no

low yacht
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@wheat junco is there any way to reset redshift?

wheat junco
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you'd have to just edit the conf file back to how it was earlier in this chat

low yacht
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and it was not existing before we edited

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so i thought things would be normal

wheat junco
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scroll up

low yacht
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i tried to run redshift and it didn't make a mess

wheat junco
wheat junco
wheat junco
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please edit the tags on this post as solved.

low yacht
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sorry i wasn't available here

low yacht
wheat junco
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awesome! have a nice time

low yacht
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all thanks to you man! trust me no one ever helped me this much in life\

wheat junco
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hehe! you're welcome. Any other things in future, dont be afraid to see the Documentation guides listed in linuxmint.com, or open a new support ticket in this server!

low yacht
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@wheat junco I regret to inform you that min't isn;t working as fast as i expected

wheat junco
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if u have room on your Ventoy usb drive, I suggest giving Q4OS Trinity desktop version a try, and also antix (full) a try. u can save both iso's and copy them to the same usb and choose which to boot at ventoy menu on restart.

low yacht
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further i would like to inform you that we have an ssd this time

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250gb

wheat junco
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neat. I'm running Antix on a computer almost as old as yours.. with an SSD, and it's quite decent

low yacht
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What should i do now ? Switch to ssd or should i try Q4OS without any changes

wheat junco
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both really.

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https://q4os.org/ there's that one. the Downloads section is where u will find the stuff.. get the Trinity live cd version

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Antix is another debian based OS that I mentioned I'm using and it's made for old pc's to run fast n decent.

low yacht
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There is Lubuntu too

low yacht
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Mint xfce

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ANTIX vs Q4OS vs LUBUNTU vs XFCE

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😹

wheat junco
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mint xfce isnt that speedy tbh. it's barely there. Linux Lite or MX linux xfce is slightly better

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lubuntu which now runs lxqt desktop may be alright

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if u have about 10 GB free on ur ventoy usb, u can try them all

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I'd probably go with q4 trinity first

low yacht
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i think you have used both Q4 & Antix !?

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@wheat junco right?

wheat junco
low yacht
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i still remember you talked about q4os KDE plasma

low yacht
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i googled about it and watched some of the UI pictures

wheat junco
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i would not say so, but it is more familar to use

low yacht
#

Q4OS is available in both 64-bit and 32-bit versions. Minimum basic hardware requirements include a 300-MHz Pentium, 128 MB Ram and 3 GB of hard drive space.

//

512MB RAM is the recommended minimum for antiX. Installation to hard drive requires a minimum 7.0GB hard disk size

low yacht
wheat junco
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512MB RAM is the recommended minimum for antiX. Installation to hard drive requires a minimum 7.0GB hard disk size
Lies. it install in 6 Gigs, and fresh idles at 200 MB RAM when viewed by htop

low yacht
#

oh

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gotcha

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which one should i try?

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which one is your fav?

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q4os or antix

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what is the difference?

wheat junco
# low yacht what is the difference?

antix uses a nicely done implementation of the extremely light ICE window manager and that's what makes it very snappy. It still behaves like a regular desktop though for the most part

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comes up to date with software and modern or slightly older kernel (user's choice) and is based on Debian

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Q4OS Trinity primary objective is familiarity (mostly with Windows XP users) It is also kept up to date and based on modern Debian. it runs a traditional full desktop environment, which is also pretty fast as Trinity is based on the old KDE 3 look and feel. has a lot of easy to change looks with its style-changer, comes with desktop sounds. and a Profiler that installs more stuff to your system as you see fit, after the main installation.

low yacht
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antix looks too old i don't know why

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q4os kde plasma looks damn new with dark mode

wheat junco
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ya but plasma will run slow on ur old computer

low yacht
#

trinity too?

wheat junco
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no

low yacht
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which is better looking and performance wise? trinity or antix

wheat junco
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this is AntiX on my old core2 Duo from late 2007 running presently, with some minimal theme adjustments

wheat junco
low yacht
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looks good

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how about trinity

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do you have an image of that ?

wheat junco
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yeah somewhere

low yacht
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copy of win98

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could you plz send me the link of antix

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i will go for that

wheat junco
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that's the default trinity look ^

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but it does come with that easy lookchanger thing, u can just install it from the welcome screen

low yacht
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it's like my taste

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i like dark themes

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like mint

wheat junco
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there's another variation of menu style and theme

low yacht
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hate white UI

low yacht
wheat junco
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my newer one broke sort of

low yacht
#

oh

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it would be my last try to make things faster

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with linux

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aafter tthis i will have to use ssd

wheat junco
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the Antix distro allows u to test it and save changes u make throughout reboots in the live mode (it comes with user-activatable persistence, if one wishes)

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though i found it still is slightly faster when installed properly

low yacht
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which one to choose

wheat junco
low yacht
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After download i just need to put the fine on pendrive

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Right

wheat junco
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yup

low yacht
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@wheat junco do i have to boot it in normal mode or grub2 mode

wheat junco
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always normal

low yacht
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What to choose now... Legacy kernel or modern kernel

wheat junco
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legacy. it's a bit less bloated and fine for ur case

low yacht
#

We're on Live desktop now

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@wheat junco whats next

wheat junco
#

mkay

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the key areas to explore are - the right click menu (aka the start menu)

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the Control Center for just about anything u need to change

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the IceWM Manager button on the quicklaunch toolbar on the taskbar

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and the toolbar manager which lets u add, remove, or shift shortcut launchers on that bar

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icewm manager has a section for everything.. including changing the themes, wallpapers (not many are included but some are, and ofc u may add)

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explore the SMTube player which is a handy and very fast browser for Youtube.. it should launch MPV, the video player when needing to view a YT vid

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right clicking the volume icon OR picking 'pulse audio volume control' from the Multimedia submenu in start menu will allow u to customize volume levels for sound

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i think either control center or icewm manager has a thing for 'adjust brightness' to vary the screen brightness

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  • pressing the "Windows" key on your keyboard brings up start, one tap of the arrow keys DOWN will highlight "app select" running this allows you to search any installed app on the system by a few letters of input
low yacht
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Checking it all

wheat junco
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Firefox Extended Support Release is included. Antix (just like MX linux, its slightly heavier sister distro) includes both Synaptic Package manager and the super quick n easy "Antix Package Installer" if u wanna quickly add popular other applications from its first tab.. or every known Debian application from its second tab (stable repo)

low yacht
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Lets install

wheat junco
#

well does it feel fast to u?

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have u launched web browser n try loading some pages

low yacht
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Yeah opened multiple tabs

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It's working fine so far

wheat junco
#

does it feel noticeably much faster in performance?

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cuz it should

low yacht
#

It is

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I've opened 6-7 tabs

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Specially YouTube

wheat junco
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and if u think that's fast, running SMTube browser with its foundation of mpv is crazy fast performant, even HD vid

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do u plan on running it over the SSD?

low yacht
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Not yet

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If I'm using ssd then I'll choose a better version of linux

wheat junco
#

so where do u want to install to?

low yacht
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Hdd it self

wheat junco
#

ok. so overwriting Mint?

low yacht
#

Yeah

wheat junco
#

ok. do u have any bookmarks or files to save from Mint?

low yacht
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Currently I've hdd with 500gb space after sdd it would be 250gb only

low yacht
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So no worries

wheat junco
#

what about browser bookmarks?

low yacht
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I never had

wheat junco
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ok

low yacht
#

I save pages in google saved

wheat junco
#

ur sound/ wifi, resolution, colour all is working fine in antix now?

low yacht
#

Yeah

wheat junco
#

idk if u use microphone at all

low yacht
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But i dont know how to change brightness

wheat junco
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of course u may need to turn on or turn up the mic input in 'pulseaudio volume control'

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brightness i think is in control center- hardware stuff

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i know for sure it has it

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im on another distro at the moment 😛

low yacht
wheat junco
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an old, discontinued but lovely one called Chalet OS.. same pc

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i got a triple boot 😛

low yacht
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😹🤣🤣🤣🤣 what do you do with all these distros

wheat junco
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I have Windows 7 cuz it's still decent. Chalet I put on it about 5 years ago. then i didnt realize i could update the browser to a bit newer version still, so i added AntiX

low yacht
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Help me to install antix

wheat junco
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i was recently surprised though, that even though Chalet (and Ubuntu 16.04 that it's based on) has been discontinued, I STILL was able to update the browser to Firefox 88!

wheat junco
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there is one key thing in it regarding "active partition" that absolutely must be given attention

low yacht
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Linux community should make something very similar to win7

wheat junco
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some guy did. it's called Winux7 and runs the Cinnamon desktop in latest form

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also ChaletOS did.

low yacht
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I just tun thr installer and it ran a losing check now says installation media js corrupt

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*is

wheat junco
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oh that's not good

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u still have the ISO saved on other disk?

low yacht
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Yeah

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It's saved on mint

wheat junco
low yacht
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Which one is best linix distro

low yacht
wheat junco
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alright well hopefully it works the 2nd time

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that's incase u wanna use ventoy to verify ^

devout mortar
wheat junco
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if only it was still supported ...

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no lie that was a good one

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time-period-correct and everything

low yacht
wheat junco
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reboot witk ventoy, pick the iso, then it's in the options

low yacht
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Checksum

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Option comes

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@wheat junco do i have to click on that ?

wheat junco
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yes @low yacht just like u did last time with Mint

low yacht
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Step by step

wheat junco
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u did it last time for lmde, how u didnt learn yet?

low yacht
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@wheat junco

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wheat junco
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server may be down atm, check later

low yacht
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I don't know but site isn't working

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