trying to install another os using manjaro

[ebon merlin]

yep that last sentence.

go into BIOS setup

[hearty dagger]

Okay

Even xubuntu 😭

[hearty dagger]

@ebon merlin I'm in

[ebon merlin]

in that screen/picture, go down n disable CSM support

and change the "storage boot option control" to UEFI and Legacy

and the "Other PCI device ROM priority" .. idk tell me what options it says

also Disable "Fast Boot" in that same screen

[hearty dagger]

I don't see it

[ebon merlin]

fourth last thing from very bottom

at least the bottom of that picture shown

[hearty dagger]

Uefi only / legacy only / disabled

[ebon merlin]

is that ^ for the Other PCI thing?

i'll say switch it to UEFI

[hearty dagger]

Ok

So they are both uefi

Manjaro done destroy my pc lmao

[ebon merlin]

so fast boot = turned to OFF
CSM support = " " OFF
Storage boot option control = UEFI
Other PCI Rom device = UEFI..

[hearty dagger]

Yeha

[ebon merlin]

manjaro wouldnt have done any changes in BIOS.. it was just installed legacy mode probably.

[ebon merlin]

save n exit, n boot to ventoy

[hearty dagger]

Okay

Booting back to manjaro

[ebon merlin]

also regarding slow transfers to USB, make sure u plug flash stick to BLUE ports not other colours.

[ebon merlin]

u didnt hit the key to access the USB drive

the Temporary Boot Priority thing

[hearty dagger]

Yeah usb 3

[hearty dagger]

I did ?

[ebon merlin]

should have shown UEFI USB drive, which u must pick, then u get into the VEntoy screen

[hearty dagger]

It did get into the ventoy and the it did show windows and Ubuntu and none of them workss

[ebon merlin]

that's kind of odd.

[hearty dagger]

Btw i have unetbootin thing but idk how to install it , it's.bin

[ebon merlin]

well, u can change all the BIOS settings you just did (except Fast Boot) back to how they were in the picture.. then remove ventoy , and remake it with MBR

[hearty dagger]

Ok

[ebon merlin]

by the way, when u remade the ventoy earlier.. did it show up like this:

very important that it had been done right.. especially the circle on the right side "Ventoy in Device"

otherwise, just wastin' time

[hearty dagger]

Oh okay

[ebon merlin]

check on it right now

see if it matches my picture

[hearty dagger]

Alright

[ebon merlin]

odd that despite the settings I had u change in the BIOS, it didnt take to either ISO

well if u want to retry, Options menu> clear ventoy

then close it. Relaunch it, choose MBR (i think default anyway) and re-add the stuff

[hearty dagger]

Doesn't work either

[ebon merlin]

u remade ventoy, it says MBR on both sides of the picture?

[ebon merlin]

and u reset all these settings to this original way?

[hearty dagger]

Yeha

Might try ater

[ebon merlin]

might be your USB port, or the USB itself

[hearty dagger]

Might get a normal windows usb and just erase everything on the drives and retry

Thx anyways

[ebon merlin]

i've seen this before.. changing ports miraculously works.. or corrupted drives

[hearty dagger]

Corrupted usb ?

[ebon merlin]

mhm

[hearty dagger]

Oh well

Thank you

[ebon merlin]

im not saying that it is FOR SURE, but could be

[hearty dagger]

I was somehow able to flash another distro to the usb

But like ... With balena etcher instead

Ventoy kinda weird

[agile vapor]

Ventoy can be hit or miss depending of some computers sometimes, I had the same issues between 2 different laptops
One works perfectly
The other one doesn't work at all

[hearty dagger]

I think ventoy killed the stick 😥

Why is it 0gb !!!!

[agile vapor]

Uh, that's odd, I've never seen that

How does the drive looks in gparted

[hearty dagger]

No media 🙂

[ebon merlin]

um. thought u had put Etcher on it already.. why u launch this again?

[ebon merlin]

...

[hearty dagger]

I hoped from manjaro to debian

Manjaro too hard

[ebon merlin]

well that's good. but if you successfully installed Debian, why is your stick showing like that?

unless it was trash to start with.. hence yesterday's fiasco

[hearty dagger]

Idk , tried flashing the windows using Woeusb lol

[hearty dagger]

I plugged and unplugged to many times i guess lol

[ebon merlin]

yes if some usb drive isnt done writing, and it doesnt have a light that flashes, and u pull it out.. BAM.

done.

[hearty dagger]

Rip

It detects , but says 0 bytes

[ebon merlin]

even if the operating system says it finished writing, i don't pull it out for at least a minute afterwards..

especially if the stick has no indicator light

[hearty dagger]

Lol

Btw how do i fix video playback for like youtube and stuff

[ebon merlin]

yeah I've had two sticks go to that same way, both from writing big ISO's n them freezing partway thru

[hearty dagger]

Was writing the iso , then canceled 😭

[ebon merlin]

is it choppy?

[hearty dagger]

Alot of frame skippinng

[ebon merlin]

does it show a healthy pre-buffer on the youtube seek bar?

[hearty dagger]

Let me chekc

Barely 10 seconds into the video, and alot of background lag

[ebon merlin]

your playback is only at 360?

resolution

[hearty dagger]

Yeah

[ebon merlin]

i can see there the connection speed is pretty darn low.. 330 Kbps

what's the rated speed of your internet service provider package that you are subscribed to?

[hearty dagger]

Even on 144p it drops

[ebon merlin]

if u know.

[hearty dagger]

On other devices it can run 720@60 fine

[ebon merlin]

are u on Firefox browser?

[hearty dagger]

Yess

[ebon merlin]

go into Firefox settings, type in the search field 'accel'

it should find a thing for "Hardware acceleration", enable it.

after you do that, check something else

[hearty dagger]

Found nothing

Performance ?

"use recommended Performance settings"

[ebon merlin]

yeah check the box that says use recommended. and the one that says hardware acceleration when available, and also the one that says "use autoscrolling"

[hearty dagger]

Okay

Weird thing is that I'm losing frames mostly when I'm moving the cursor 😂

@ebon merlin it's not losing much frames, but when i move the mouse cursor it starts lagging alot

[ebon merlin]

what CPU u have, and its clock speed? check with inxi -Fxxxz in terminal

@hearty dagger

[hearty dagger]

@ebon merlin

[ebon merlin]

i see it

[hearty dagger]

So'.....

[ebon merlin]

well that all looks fast enough

check ur internet speed with this computer https://pcmag.speedtestcustom.com/

this is a good site to test with ^

[hearty dagger]

I mean i was able to play 1080@60 on windows with no frame drops at all

[ebon merlin]

still troubleshooting here.

[hearty dagger]

I'm using mobile data for now since I've got some issues with my home internet for now .....

[hearty dagger]

I usually have 50 Mbps net

[ebon merlin]

ok but please do the test

[hearty dagger]

Okay

[ebon merlin]

the site will show a nice summary showing ping, latency, all the good stuff

share a screenshot after

[hearty dagger]

Finding optimal server ..... Bruh

[ebon merlin]

ya that should only take a few seconds... 10 seconds max.. then it gives u a Go button

if it's taking longer than 10 seconds to find an optimal server, then ur internet is having issues

[hearty dagger]

Lmao

[ebon merlin]

mine for comparison.. and I'm on slow wired service

[hearty dagger]

I'm tethering with my phone mobile data lol

[ebon merlin]

ping is how much time it takes to receive a reply, and urs shows double of mine

jitter on urs is also terrible

[hearty dagger]

Mine is usually 50-60 Mbps but 10 ping

[ebon merlin]

and ur download speed is.. pretty crap

try the same test, same website with just ur phone.. disconnect it from the PC when u try

[ebon merlin]

weird. maybe your cell carrier is very busy this time of day, or they throttled your speed for the month becuz u used too much bandwidth

but u need at least 1.5 Mbps for smooth youtube playback at 480 resolution

[hearty dagger]

Reaches 40mbps at 2am or so

Imma test with some offline video playback

[ebon merlin]

good idea

[hearty dagger]

With vlc or what

[ebon merlin]

vlc is generally very good

when u set up Debian, did u leave the Root user thing blank, during the installer?

@hearty dagger

[hearty dagger]

Yeah why ?

[hearty dagger]

It's working okay

The system is just unstable idk why , other distros are worse

Especially arch and manjaro

[ebon merlin]

what do u mean by unstable?

[hearty dagger]

Sluggish

[ebon merlin]

oh sorry to hear that

[hearty dagger]

Idk what i means , i mean there's lag

Maybe it's my old gpu lol

[ebon merlin]

u mean in opening the start menu, opening file manager?

type inxi -G at command line

it might be this thing I saw there earlier about xwayland

[hearty dagger]

Booting Loading times are very fast i have an nvme

[ebon merlin]

my question was of the responsiveness of graphical tasks

nice sideways pic

[hearty dagger]

Lol sorry

Nvm

[ebon merlin]

did u run an update and upgrade on this system since u installed it?

[hearty dagger]

No

[ebon merlin]

check if u have sudo perms in terminal

type sudo apt update

[hearty dagger]

900~ packages

Upgradable it says

[hearty dagger]

I do apt upgrade now ?

[ebon merlin]

yes

[hearty dagger]

Okk

[ebon merlin]

leap of faith

[hearty dagger]

Download speed is random going from 100 kb/s to 1 mb/s lol

[ebon merlin]

ok.. well just give it time,

dont mess with anything else til it's done.. unless it's in ur kitchen and involving food 😛

[ebon merlin]

how is it now after the updates, @hearty dagger ?

[hearty dagger]

I'm going to check i guess

Gotta check for performance tho

@ebon merlin more stable now i guess*

[ebon merlin]

oh nice

[hearty dagger]

btw

no frame drops with chrome compared to firefox

[ebon merlin]

maybe time of day. shrugs

[ebon merlin]

can check again now

and if u want an internet speed meter on your taskbar, open Synaptic Package Manager (u should already have that) and search for xfce4-goodies

[hearty dagger]

Way better lol

[ebon merlin]

well that's why your Youtube's working smooth now

check how it is with Firefox, even at 720p

[hearty dagger]

Okay

[ebon merlin]

see the Jitter value has gone way down.. which means better overall connection

[hearty dagger]

Lags abit

I mean chrome does better

[ebon merlin]

alright

[hearty dagger]

Unless 60fps videos.....

Could do 1080@30 with no drops tho

No background lag

[ebon merlin]

use whatever works, but I know for me, even old-firefox from over 20 versions ago works lovely.

it's important that on the seek bar u see a bit of white line ahead of the red line (pre-buffer)

[hearty dagger]

Lemme check

[ebon merlin]

what's that from?

[hearty dagger]

Chrome

[ebon merlin]

ok

[hearty dagger]

Idk but uuuh ... Firefox was using opus (idk if it has anything to do lol)

[ebon merlin]

btw ur Debian should also come with two graphical package managers.. Synaptic, and gnome-Software (aka Software)

[hearty dagger]

Yeah

[ebon merlin]

opus is an audio codec.. i dont think it matters that much.

[hearty dagger]

Lol

[ebon merlin]

U can view all updates available and even hold some back/de-select with gnome-software

[hearty dagger]

Oh

Do you recommend using snap tho ?

[ebon merlin]

if the system is in a well enough state right now, I highly recommend you install (or maybe it's there) Timeshift, and do at least a manual timeshift snapshot backup

[ebon merlin]

i dont care for it

anything from the REPOS (native debian packages) is better than anything else for stability, and takes less space than other formats

[hearty dagger]

Do they have a site ?

[ebon merlin]

the debian packages?

[hearty dagger]

Yeah like a list of avaiable packages

[ebon merlin]

u can fire up Synaptic package manager, OR the gnome-software and u'll see

that's where they both pull from (though be careful in gnome-software, sometimes there's two versions of the same program offered as a Flatpak or a native deb pkg. - the native one will say from "Debian whatevercodename version 12 is"

synaptic is better for fine-tooth examining all kinds of native packages, including libraries, helper files, fonts, etc.

[hearty dagger]

should avoid flatpaks ?

[ebon merlin]

and in synaptic it pulls ONLY from the repos

[ebon merlin]

i would unless ur DESPERATE for a latest version or something u can't get as a deb (bear in mind the first 5 to 10 flatpaks will be Gigabytes huge)

u can get discord , skype, zoom, google earth, all from their official websites as .debs

and ur Debian should come with a handy tool called gdebi, which installs deb packs for u

[hearty dagger]

got discord and chrome as .deb and telegram as .tar

[ebon merlin]

search gnome-software for Telegram instead.. tar files are raw code that u have to compile (way too advanced crap, and hard to uninstall later)

[hearty dagger]

somehow managed to install it lol

[ebon merlin]

technically a tar file is like an uncompressed zip file (it's a cluster pack of other files)

[hearty dagger]

so for the .deb i have to manually update each time ?

[ebon merlin]

im not 100% how it is for skype or google earth, or chrome.. i think it might update via gnome-software center or the terminal.. but not sure. For Discord, typically it sends u a message , and when u click ok, it sends u a new deb file.. u just save it, double-click it, and gdebi does its magic

[hearty dagger]

Nice

[ebon merlin]

check in ur start menu for gdebi

and for synaptic pkg mgr (u should have both)

as well as the program called simply Software

[hearty dagger]

Ah

[ebon merlin]

(which is officially known as gnome-software)

if u care and want to keep ur system, definitely get Timeshift n save a backup very, very soon

if u fk everything up, u can use Timeshift to get it all back to how it's working tonight.

[hearty dagger]

I will

[ebon merlin]

just dont have it capture ur homefolder (use copy/paste to save your home data or another backup tool like grsync if u value it)

[hearty dagger]

I don't have important data on my pc i guess

[ebon merlin]

well certainly not at the moment, but u may in time.

[hearty dagger]

I'm saving stuff in my phone 😭

[ebon merlin]

ie - a memorable collection of pics.. a handy note/text file ... etc

and backup ur phone too. if it goes BANG or u get mugged, that's all gone in an instant

[hearty dagger]

I have computer files on my phone , i just transfer them with usb

[hearty dagger]

How do i backup ?

On pc ?

[ebon merlin]

backup to google drive (if u trust them with the data) AND transfer from phone to a safe home usb or something

also if u pay for mobile internet, and u have many, many gigs of stuff on ur phone, u may exceed monthly limit to upload.. or exceed google drive's free limit. - just be aware

[hearty dagger]

Not using it that much

[ebon merlin]

dont ever download or upload anything illegal either cuz obv the net isnt that private.

[hearty dagger]

My drive is just random memories and Html and css files lol

[ebon merlin]

but if u trust cloud based storage like iCloud, OneDrive by microsoft, or GoogleDrive , or even this thing called NextCloud, then that's certainly a start for backing up ur phone

[hearty dagger]

Imma stick with drive i guess

Hope my devices don't break at once lol

[ebon merlin]

also get this if u want the couple extra goodies including a network traffic monitor for your panel.

search it, mark the empty small square for install, hit apply button.

[hearty dagger]

what distro are you using ?

[hearty dagger]

i downloaded it

[ebon merlin]

cool. you can also just have the two bars for the meter without the text beside, and u can change the graph colours, but that's all up to you.