neat citrus
I lost my sanity 1-2 hours ago. i have a USB drive that i think works?? i bought one that never worked, returned it to the shop, and how have a fresh one. my USB connects to my windows desktop, but appears to have autonomy and just disconnect if it wants to. whatever it does, belenaEtcher fails to make a booting device somehow. i dont get any descriptive error messages at all. i also can try WSL or some shit to make the device instead
is possible to do this in the terminal of WSL for example?
shrewd granite
WSL is technically emulated, so I am not sure if it is a good idea to do hardware things with it. If a drive disconnects without apparent reason, the port might be failing. The Windows versions of Etcher and Ventoy should be fine for this, but you should first make sure you are working with an intact USB port.
neat citrus
i made what appears to be further progress with rufus
now ive made it to where linux mint is atleast bootable
but its struggling with the installation
shrewd granite
Rufus has known issues with Mint ISOs.
neat citrus
oh
shrewd granite
Etcher or Ventoy are recommended, both are known-good for this.
neat citrus
i never got past this shit
flash failed always
this is so frustrating i want to cry, and or quit trying
shrewd granite
You gotta hate programs that adapt the Windows-type "it broke" sort of error message, instead of actually saying what the problem is. Perhaps use Ventoy? It is pretty neat.
neat citrus
i can certainly try
shrewd granite
Make sure nothing else is trying to access the medium, and when in doubt, try a different USB port.
neat citrus
i have tried 2
shrewd granite
What brand is that medium?
neat citrus
PNV
shrewd granite
I know PNY, but PNV is new. Let's hope it is not one of those "please-kill-me-nobody-wants-me-in-China" trash things.
neat citrus
oh
it is PNY, my bad
ive walked around thinking it was PNV all day lol. bought it today with the intent to use it as a booting device only
shrewd granite
PNY is alright. Not great, but should get the job done. Try Ventoy with it - it works differently than Rufus or Etcher, just makes the medium itself bootable with a small stub driver, then looks for ISOs that you loaded onto it - just copy them over.
neat citrus
ventoy i am unable to install from curseforge rn
shrewd granite
How about from here: https://www.ventoy.net/en/download.html
neat citrus
this one doesnt let me. curseforge just keeps counting down and resetting
might be allergic to some firefox extension i use
shrewd granite
It is sourceforge, and this may be a good point to drop the link into Edge just to get the file. Assuming you did not fortify Edge quite that hard.
shrewd granite
Once it is done, you can copy as many OS ISOs onto it as will fit. You can even mix Windows and Linux ISOs, it will show you a selecting screen on boot.
shrewd granite
I guess so.
shrewd granite
I guess you really do have a faulty medium.
neat citrus
that is 2 in a row
i dont get it, is my pc destroying them??
this is getting absurd, wtf do i do
shrewd granite
It is possible that you have a faulty USB port that eats them. It is also possible that the store you get them from got a whole load of broken ones. I have experienced that myself once. Supermarket flash media are the worst of the worst in drive quality usually.
neat citrus
i shop at elkjøp
neat citrus
It is possible that you have a faulty USB port that eats them. It is also possib...
i might make it to their opening hours still. im not sure what precautions to make to avoid my usbport eating em for now D:
and fixing my pc sounds like a nightmare holy sht
shrewd granite
It would help to do a proper hardware check on the medium, but it has been years since I did that with Windows, not sure what is good for it these days.
neat citrus
tbh i am desperate for some actionable steps
i already probably deleted the windows partition from the fresh laptop, and needed a microsoftaccount anyways to even boot windows
i dont comprehend
shrewd granite
The system you are working from currently is your desktop, on Windows?
neat citrus
yeah
gonna try a hail mary and see if ubuntu somehow works
throwing shit against the wall figuratively. im hesitant to go get yet another usb stick 😦
maybe PNY is bad for what im trying
shrewd granite
It either works, or it does not. But if you have anything else that can be booted, an SD card (assuming there is a reader on that laptop), even an external hard drive could do it.
If all else fails, you could actually burn an ISO to a DVD, assuming you have a DVD writer and the laptop can read them.
neat citrus
would a usb extender or somethng to make it so that my (future non broken) usb stick can be protected from my usb port?
shrewd granite
We cannot say for sure that the port is broken. You could try and check the medium with scandisk, or whatever is used these days.
neat citrus
i did inspect the usb with some windows tool that was built in
shrewd granite
It is supposed to detect bad sectors and flag them, so they will not be used. Which could be enough to "repair" the file system to work.
neat citrus
oh
gonna go get a new usb stick
and gonna try to find some thing to be in hte middle of my port and usb
Any usb sticks bis?
neat citrus
Hello! We discussed a bit about a month ago
brittle topaz
much better brand typically
brittle topaz
YES. what I'd try, is simply put it in.. copy some mp3's over
or even one iso .. no ventoy no nothing.
if that works just fine, then install ventoy. BUT u really should know for Ventoy installer to go in it's options menu, and pick the right partioning for ur pc
brittle topaz
or even one iso .. no ventoy no nothing.
and test the playback of the video files or mp3s.. all of them
@neat citrus to ensure it's writing proper and fine
and being able to read them back fine
brittle topaz
tag me when u do the video files test
neat citrus
Oki! Eating first
brittle topaz
i mean, after ur happy with the results, but before doing Ventoy
i'll be back in half hour or so.
neat citrus
interesting, it already has some contents
neat citrus
and test the playback of the video files or mp3s.. all of them
so eh, can i just play them inside there?
the videos seem fine
@brittle topaz
though i have not ejected it and inserted it back or anything like that
just moved things, then that is that
brittle topaz
just moved things, then that is that
ok im back
next step.. determine what ur system uses to boot. please open "Disk Management" in Windows
neat citrus
ok, on the laptop im looking to bring linux mint to i presume
brittle topaz
and find the drive in the display that has where u want linux to go on (i'm guessing u want it to go over windows)
ya
neat citrus
the laptop is fresh and i think i already deleted the windows partition in a previous installing attempt
neat citrus
yes, i have a laptop for academia, and a desktop at home for recreational use
brittle topaz
was it having Windows 10/11 or very old windows before?
neat citrus
i think windows 10/11
it was a version that required me to log into windows (gross) to even boot up initially
brittle topaz
u mean log in to Microsoft account?
neat citrus
yea
brittle topaz
ok so probably made in the last 8 or 9 years
brittle topaz
sounds fairly new
ok u tested u Sandisk with big files .. what was the total file MB amount that u copied to it?
brittle topaz
cool. u ready to install?
neat citrus
i think so
brittle topaz
let's try to install ventoy now
neat citrus
alright
brittle topaz
ventoy will delete everything on the sandisk drive
neat citrus
its as simple as just running this yea?
brittle topaz
so if u wanna save those utilities that came from Sandisk (could be handy idk) then copy them elsewhere
^^
neat citrus
ill pass on the utilities yeah
brittle topaz
right click and run as admin on ventoy2disk
neat citrus
neat citrus
brittle topaz
pick GPT.
neat citrus
alright
brittle topaz
now u sure that that is the only USB drive plugged in?
it looks ok cuz it says Sandisk in ventoy, but always be SURE
neat citrus
it definitely is, though i have a keyboard and mouse plugged in also
brittle topaz
ok now click install button
brittle topaz
give time
neat citrus
brittle topaz
great.. close the program, safely eject the drive
then remove it.. then put it back in
brittle topaz
then open file manager, u'll see the USB stick now has a label name of "Ventoy
neat citrus
brittle topaz
then find ur linux iso (just do one for now) and do copy , and then paste to the empty space in the Ventoy drive
brittle topaz
21.3, sure
3 Gigs should take about 6 minutes.. or 1/4 that if everything is usb 3+
brittle topaz
is ventoy more "safe" than using rufus and/or balenaEtcher ?
it's handier
look at u with USB 3 speeds
neat citrus
hahaha yea its p quick
love it, maybe ill try to use this usb afterwards too, or just keep it as a permanent booting device, not sure yet
succesfully pasted
brittle topaz
after it finishes, u can add a nice wallpaper picture file u like also to the ventoy space
neat citrus
oo
brittle topaz
so u can use that file when Mint is installed
u can also add your favourite mp3 or a/v file (just one for test)
neat citrus
is mp4 ok too?
neat citrus
video
brittle topaz
ok.. finished?
brittle topaz
do safely eject the drive now from windows taskbar
brittle topaz
plug in to the other pc
then turn on, and hit the boot key to show u UEFI USB
and Enter..
shrewd granite
If you want to use that laptop quickly, might be good to just use Mint for now. Dualboot would take more time and fiddling.
brittle topaz
i think that other laptops been wiped anyway
neat citrus
im in a "startup interrupt menu" now and can choose
bios setup utility, or a temporary startup device, among other less interesting things
brittle topaz
im in a "startup interrupt menu" now and can choose
bios setup utility, or a tem...
temporary startup device
shrewd granite
temporary startup is good, otherwise known as boot menu.
brittle topaz
u must pick the UEFI form of Sandisk /usb
neat citrus
i can choose USB HDD: USB SanDisk 3.2Gen1
brittle topaz
then goes to Ventoy menu yes?
shrewd granite
That is the one
brittle topaz
i can choose `USB HDD: USB SanDisk 3.2Gen1`
should be one with UEFI in front
neat citrus
now im in the ventoy menu yes
brittle topaz
ok w/e..
neat citrus
should be one with UEFI in front
didnt see any, need me to go back?
neat citrus
boot in normal mode yeah?
brittle topaz
or maybe we should go back..
shrewd granite
UEFI boot does not always call itself that.
neat citrus
if i switch off the laptop do i risk damaging anything?
shrewd granite
nope
neat citrus
im not sure there is a "go back" button
brittle topaz
i often worry that Mint installer takes tips from whatever boot media environment it started in . so if it starts legacy way, it may install legacy way.
shrewd granite
That is what it does, yes
brittle topaz
im not sure there is a "go back" button
ventoy bottom menu shows reboot
go back, Madlor
neat citrus
im back in the boot menu
brittle topaz
i want to see if ur BIOS is starting as legacy or as UEFI rn
shrewd granite
Well, I need to go now. You got this.
brittle topaz
can u enter the BIOS options please.. or hit CTRL ALT DELETE NOW to enter bios options
thx Curu.. ttyl
show pic in BIOS options under the Bootup category
neat citrus
Here is startup interruption menu
Here is boot, corresponding to F12 above
sounds like u want me to navigate to BIOS Setup Utility?
brittle topaz
F1 to enter the BIOS setup
neat citrus
alright, im here
brittle topaz
show pic in BIOS options under the Bootup category
...
neat citrus
i can go to any of the following tabs, main, config, date/time, security, startup, restart
i assume startup is closest to bootup
brittle topaz
startup
neat citrus
Heres what im working with
brittle topaz
Here is boot, corresponding to F12 above
i notice u have some Win Boot mgr and ubuntu EFI's here so we'll clean that up later
neat citrus
sounds good
brittle topaz
switch off Quick boot.. put to regular
the go to Security category.. ensure Secure boot is off
neat citrus
i can turn Boot Mode from Quick to Diagnostics
there is no other options except those two for boot mode, if that was the one
brittle topaz
i can turn `Boot Mode` from `Quick` to `Diagnostics`
only those two? then put DIAG
brittle topaz
now go to Configuration category, and show pic
brittle topaz
see what power shows
neat citrus
neat citrus
sleep state lets me swap to Linux
brittle topaz
ok is that all?
neat citrus
yeah, thats it. Linux or Windows 10
neat citrus
neat citrus
!
brittle topaz
ok. go back to Startup tab
looks like ur pc is indeed having a UEFI bios..
let me study the startup pic from before a bit
neat citrus
okidoki!
brittle topaz
select Boot Order Lock.. and what are the options for it, aside from Disabled
neat citrus
the only other option for Boot Order Lock is Enabled
neat citrus
as in the F12 found here?
brittle topaz
what about for Boot option F12, what are it's options?
no
in the Startup category.. it's on enabled now.. what else are the possibilities
neat citrus
kk
brittle topaz
n then show me picture of the Alternate temporary boot devices thing
brittle topaz
ok go ahead with USB sandisk
i think it will boot fine to desktop in Mint live mode now
neat citrus
boot in normal mode, ye?
neat citrus
start linux mint 21.3 cinnamon 64-bit, or the same + (compability mode
brittle topaz
first one
neat citrus
kk
oh interesting
in the linux mint trial thing that shows up, there is now "Linux mint 21.3 cinnamon 64-bit", aswell as "Install Linux Mint"
i presume install linux mint now as normal
awaiting some verdict on which option to pick as per precaution
brittle topaz
ok first we gotta do that cleanup as i mentioned
neat citrus
Last time i didnt see the upper desktop icon
neat citrus
ok first we gotta do that cleanup as i mentioned
alright!
brittle topaz
so we're going to clear off the hard drive or ssd 100% clean now
start menu> type gparted
neat citrus
i am now on gparted
brittle topaz
pick the hard drive or ssd of this laptop in the top right corner menu
then show pic
neat citrus
made it a tad easier for myself to share whats going on by logging in to disc here rq
neat citrus
pick the hard drive or ssd of this laptop in the top right corner menu
im having some trouble with this instruction
brittle topaz
it's fine i see the nvme dirve
can u run Disks from the start menu please.. choose the same drive by clicking it and show pic
neat citrus
here u go
not sure which one so i sent all
presumably the second image was correct
nvm not so sure, but yea the right one is surely one of them
brittle topaz
k bud.. close disks.
neat citrus
disks closed
brittle topaz
in gparted, go to device menu thing, and pick create new partition table
and make it GPT
and ensure ur still on that nvme drive in gparted
neat citrus
brittle topaz
go ahead
neat citrus
proceeded, current status
brittle topaz
nice and clean and ready for your UEFI BIOS
neat citrus
epic
neat citrus
not ones external to the laptop itself
brittle topaz
right click the sound icon in tray
neat citrus
i believe this thing has some dolby speakers built in
brittle topaz
go to sound settings
make sure main volume output slider is 100% then hit Test button
neat citrus
no sound settings, configure is the closest match i can find
neat citrus
probably not the right choice hmm
neat citrus
ohh
brittle topaz
then test as I said
neat citrus
sounds sounding good
brittle topaz
run up installer.. then first option to Erase Disk and install Mint.
i will link u help guide. u should be good now
neat citrus
i see. i will read the guide again and also share this screenshot first
brittle topaz
hang on
neat citrus
hanging on
brittle topaz
not sure which one so i sent all
sda is ur sandisk drive as shown in picture details.. don't unmount it
neat citrus
alright. im clicking no and proceeding according to the guide then
brittle topaz
kk goodluck
neat citrus
thanks!
brittle topaz
takes overall about 10 minute or less
neat citrus
woohoo! it took 10 hours and 3 USB sticks, but now i have linux mint on my laptop
i want to express my gratefulness @brittle topaz! I appreciate your time
brittle topaz
i want to express my gratefulness <@725510568492138497>! I appreciate your time
hahaaa. good stuff madlor. I hope u got full refunds on those bad USB sticks.
neat citrus
i did
brittle topaz
don't forget u can plug ur sandisk back in for those vids and the wallpaper
and u can use "Winpinator" on Windows to easily transfer files over ur home network to your Mint PC which already has Warpinator.
@neat citrus
brittle topaz
and u can watch some internet tv now using Hypnotix app on Mint
neat citrus
oh interesting
brittle topaz
and if u need Discord on Mint, get it from the official Discord site as a .deb (to save space as opposed to massive Flatpak)
deb's will be handled easily by gDebi which is part of Mint to install them
brittle topaz
PROBLEM: ISO wouldn't boot up live, having many errors
SOLUTION: Use Ventoy loader on a brand-name USB drive, and alter "Sleep mode" in BIOS settings to not be Window10, and turn off BIOS Quick Boot
brittle topaz
alright, done. now navigating to security category
lol. I love how you type so concisely. Like with military training.
neat citrus
i try to be unambiguous :d
