I'm still kinda on the fence about Linux and wanted to try it out by launching it from a USB but when I try to boot into it I get a black screen. No idea what's up with that
#Linux Live Session Boots to Black Screen
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fluid helm
@spare echo Have you tried compatability mode to boot the ISO?
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Yeah and that said it couldn't boot either
lemme try it again real quick
Yeah no dice
Tried it a third time and it said "boot file not found" so that's probably what's doing it
fluid helm
Maybe disable Secure Boot
@spare echo If you have Windows, you could always try Mint in a VM and eliminate some hardware compatibility issues
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Yeah I tried installing a virtual machine but it tried asking me to install a bunch of other stuff. Just seemed like a big hassle overall
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Maybe disable Secure Boot
What would this do if I may ask
fluid helm
Virtual Machine is a way to run one OS as a guest on another, you can the virtual machine settings to emulate a different video card if needed. Is this a really new computer?
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All the parts are at least 2ish years old if not more if that's what you're asking
fluid helm
Nvidia graphics?
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amd
fluid helm
Are you trying Linux MInt? You could try the Cinnamon edge version
fluid helm
It has the 6.2 kernel rather than 5.15, it should have better hardware support
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wait so why isnt that just the default download?
fluid helm
The 6.2 kernel isn't needed by everyone and it was released later
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???
But it's the newer version that supports more hardware. Why would that be shoved at the bottom of the page?
fluid helm
I don't maintain the websites, I don't know
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So edge is just the newest version of cinnamon?
fluid helm
It is the same Cinnamon version with a newer kernel. The kernel contains all the hardware drivers
How big is your USB drive? You could put Ventoy on it, then download the Cinnamon edge version and also Ubuntu 23.10 and see if one of them boots
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hang on im still hung up on the edge thing
is there any reason you wouldn't want edge over regular cinnamon?
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How big is your USB drive? You could put Ventoy on it, then download the Cinnam...
like, 8 gigs
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trying to flash edge now ill keep you posted
fluid helm
Hopefully that will boot
fluid helm
Great
rain magnet
hang on im still hung up on the edge thing
is there _any_ reason you wouldn't w...
In one word, stability. The Edge version is less tested, sometimes the newer kernel breaks compatibility with certain software. Mint, like its grandfather project Debian, errs on the side of caution these days. Providing the additional Edge ISO is a way of offering newer hardware support to those that need it, while maximising compatibility and stability for the rest.
Most users use Mint to extend the life of older hardware. If you are using it on something fairly new, you are in the minority that should try the Edge ISO.
fluid helm
The other downside is that the edge kernels only have 9 months support from Ubuntu
rain magnet
True, but in reality, Edge users tend to follow kernel updates and keep moving to newer versions. Which is trivial with the Update Manager.
fluid helm
And I think ever since Ubuntu 20.04, kernel updates automatically switch to HWE kernels
rain magnet
At any rate, I would find it strange to have users stranded on unsupported kernels.
edgy merlin
Ayyy it worked I think
Use ventoy to flash. Tho you can ask how to VM mint
fluid helm
At any rate, I would find it strange to have users stranded on unsupported kerne...
All they have to do in terminal is> sudo apt install linux-generic-hwe-22.04
rain magnet
You clearly know more about this than I do. I just slap the engine in, and when it goes vrooom, I am done.
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Hey just one other thing. I've installed it as a dual boot on my laptop to try it out proper but for some reason I cant connect to any wifi. It just shows wired options. I used an ethernet cable to update all my drivers and stuff but still I cant connect to wifi or anything. Is there some way to force it to connect to wifi?
fluid helm
@spare echo run the 2 commands at https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/a2bee9856d8c13f42f1835bc31bf9480 in terminal then post the termbin URL from terminal here
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Thanks Jeremy!
fluid helm
I might be able to help when I see the URL
fluid helm
Not connected by ethernet? Or USB tethering to smartphone?
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oh shoot i guess it would make sense to connect to ethernet when trying to ping a website
rain magnet
Did you run the drivers tool? Some wifi chips need additional drivers to work.
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Yeah I did the drivers and it just wanted me to update an nvidia thing
fluid helm
@spare echo in terminal try> sudo modprobe -r iwlwifi && sleep 5 and sudo modprobe -v iwlwifi
fluid helm
Remove and reload the wifi driver
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do i have to restart to see if it worked or not?
fluid helm
no
The odd thing is that the results are missing the iwlmvm driver and that is what loads the firmware for wifi. Did you disable hybrid shutdown in Windows?
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im gonna assume no because i dont know what hybrid shutdown is. is that like a dual boot thing?
fluid helm
@spare echo If you have Windows 10/11 it is likely enabled unless you disabled it
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Should I disable it?
fluid helm
What Windows version?
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11
fluid helm
It should be disabled as I know it causes issues with Intel wifi. See https://www.xda-developers.com/disable-fast-startup-in-windows-11/
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so should this be a potential fix for the wifi or will it just help better diagnose things?
fluid helm
Good chance it fixes wifi
rain magnet
In that case, the reason it did not work was that the Windows driver somehow locked it, and it was still thinking Windows was active.
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that's a real interesting cause
rn im doing the dual boot with this and windows 11 on my school laptop to see which i like better. my desktop is on windows 10 and idk what i wanna make my next OS so rn im making them compete
it's like a shojo manga except instead of choosing between two cute boys it's what operating system i wanna use going forward 💀
rain magnet
Shoujo you say? In that case you need to use Debian.
There is nothing special in that regard about Debian, this is just an ancient joke. I've had that thing for 10+ years.
onyx pagoda
Shoujo you say? In that case you need to use Debian.
-picture f'ing saved-
edgy merlin
that's a real interesting cause
rn im doing the dual boot with this and windows...
you must disable secure boot and tpm, also legacy boot
fluid helm
you must disable secure boot and tpm, also legacy boot
Not for wifi
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There is nothing special in that regard about Debian, this is just an ancient jo...
(what's the joke?)
rain magnet
To be honest, I do not remember. I've had that wallpaper for 10+ years.
It is just delightfully random.
edgy merlin
Not for wifi
some NIC do require that, and it's required for most distros
fluid helm
some NIC do require that, and it's required for most distros
When the iwlwifi module is part of a signed kernel there is no benefit to disabling Secure Boot