#Lord Melonoth's Summer Raid

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mighty fiber
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yeah - make premade team is always better than go with randoms

leaden saddle
uneven cosmos
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Just bl them or have the host bl them/kick them, we need a purge

keen wing
uneven cosmos
keen wing
meager turret
uneven cosmos
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any raid I would treat anything to stall the team the same

uneven cosmos
uneven cosmos
keen wing
astral dove
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also don't like this solution too anyway

dense patio
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melons suck, why is there a melon police checking everyone XD

uneven cosmos
keen wing
uneven cosmos
dense patio
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only main char gets double dmg anyway

narrow urchin
keen wing
uneven cosmos
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Filter out the nubs

narrow urchin
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i've been doing 10 mins raid with team fo people not using melon because they were organized, then 2 raid later comes the serial cryers, ruining the mood and the raid for you "oh no melon noob team" proceed to die 3 times while giving health back to the boss

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And not to trash anyone but people in this sub thinking it's normal to review your schedule so you can do 30 raid a day (9h) might need to reconsider their priorities

lofty sapphire
narrow urchin
atomic flame
narrow urchin
obtuse delta
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Well I did many times in 8:30 so ur fastest team might need some improvements

lofty sapphire
narrow urchin
# lofty sapphire then do 1+1

i have 4 to do and i don't plan to destroy my teams by playing the 4 at the same time, i'll do what i can do but it's not because you can do something that it's right the way it is

potent jolt
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remove debuff resistance, sick of randoms not knowing to stun mobs, pre-room is just punishing players who take initiative unless the whole team is well-coordinated.

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lofty sapphire
narrow urchin
lofty sapphire
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so this is your priority and point is flawed by the fact, that You are doing it on multiple characters, special fruit exchange would help You too if there was any kind of reverse trade (even for lower amount)

narrow urchin
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special fruit reverse trade would be a nice thing to have i agree

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but i still gave an objective review of the raid some post before with numbers which should theorically lower the raid average time to 7:30-8-ish minutes which seems raisonnable enough i'm not asking for a 2:30 raid

upper vine
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just open jaja and hongbi then all good

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these cards only working on event raid and turn off on event was bad decision (my opinion)

lofty sapphire
narrow urchin
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sometimes a good 17 minutes because those afks fail the zone twice

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  • the time you wait to fill the list + the ts to get in a team since you need melon buff for people not to cry a river even though they can't aim a watermelon in a square
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so let's you and i take our average that round it to 7h, you gotta do it a bit less than 7 times so you can round it up to 45h to get the equivalent of :

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tight python
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anyone know where to farm seeds ?

near tapir
cloud dagger
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Can mobs drop seeds or do only bosses drop them?

near tapir
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or event ts, but random seeds

cloud dagger
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At least I got the title.

near tapir
viscid kelp
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its max 0 interested event. i lost 50h+ for this

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0 drop
0 book
0 hat
0 motivation
push 200 and skip this raid

upbeat egret
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boss room is cool but minibosses is like lock in on miniboss and go watch other things

near tapir
cerulean prairie
weary galleon
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9 minutes if you're creating a private marathon with ppl who are also willing to do the raid and actually be competent

you don't get a lot of that around this community. An exception is not the standard to a rule.

lofty sapphire
lofty sapphire
autumn wolf
gloomy thunder
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still the 9-12 mins is too much for an event raid

quaint haven
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I'm curious to know how many melon spawns your 7-8mn teams get, each raid.
Because when the team has diminished Boss HP below 90KK by the time the second wave happens, that puts Boss health directly in Red around 30KK, so it's pretty soon done after that.

From what I've seen & understand, melon spawns happen on regulat intervals, only the first is sometimes later in, from the moment we enter. But once the first's happened, they follow every Nth time.

So unless your teams actually finish the Boss before the second melons wave despawns, or get its HP below 60KK to finish off with the melons damage, then your times just aren't possible.
Unless you only time the actual Boss room?

If you do less than 9mn incl prerooms tho, I'd love to learn how, what you do differently, or more or what.

I have no clue how many K HP it is really, I just can't read them compact dynamic numbers, don't mind that

uneven cosmos
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boss has like 2,2kk hp and without melon you hit for 150, with melon for 300

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if every person has a ninja bushi and a mix of grahams and other magic partners with sps I can imagine 7-8 minute raids easily

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plus everyone using melon buff and not being afk, pets on A attacking the boss etc

weary galleon
uneven cosmos
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I am still a proponent of making the melon buff apply to pet and partner too, so there is a bigger reason to do the TS and bring pet and partner to raids (plus faster raid of course)

weary galleon
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kinda like a way to reward ppl for actually being competent
and we keep casting out those who don't want to use the item

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honestly TS should be lowered back to 5 but double the raid seal/rind/seed amount

I appreciate being able to do TS for Seeds
and I don't mind doing 10
but yknow less time always better 3c

radiant swan
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@swift flare There will be other changes to event?

serene lily
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My fd have been hunting a5 for 80mins and no boss come out for seed🥲

queen fern
serene lily
astral dove
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no updates this week ? really ? with all the feedbacks of how lowering the raid duration was important ? sad

young spoke
tawny rampart
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12 min raid

radiant swan
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9-12min raid, depends of pets, using melons etc.

viscid kelp
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event 180 raids

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lost life kekw

quaint haven
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Finally #news Raid update & bugfix announcement 🍉

keen wing
steady hornet
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Ngl; ppl wasting their time. Likely minor useless changes cus people still doing the raid.

upbeat holly
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Imagine changing the raid duration or tokens after some of us already got like 160 raids of 10 mins done... if that is the case it has to be implemented with a compensation

viscid kelp
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i complete 180 raids . if fix time i drop game because its trolling players

keen wing
tired cairn
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For willingly wasting your time doing something that obviously needs changing you'll quit the game because qol is improved for everyone else?

keen wing
tired cairn
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Nostale playerbase this weird gate keeping where everyone validates grinding for 20h on 15 multi accs doing the most 1 dimensional boring thing possible but because they choose to do it is not bad for people that want to play a game - which is made to have fun - you know there's no downside for you if the raid is time reduced right? You can continue to do the raid and finish what you want to faster

upbeat holly
# keen wing Why would you have any compensation ? 😂 Its like asking for compensation afte...

Because on this particular point, a lot of things were announced to be changed on next update, which is ok since it was "said"
But the only and one thing said not to be about to change is the raid duration, that would NEVER be shortened based on Prism words, and it was not about him but about what he was told to do/say

Changing now would have purposefully make us lose time (and we are talking about 30-40H of raids), which is an insane amount of gold in the game, lifetime, etc, that would went from enjoyable/chosen time used to wasted

But once again we need to wait patchnote but I'm already scared about this point
I truly hope we only get the zone fixed (sometimes the boss doesn't lose any hp while having 10+), fruits having a use after 10+ obtained, eventually new crafts of seeds for low level people who can't farm A8-9 to make them enjoy the whole event

keen wing
upbeat holly
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First one

tired cairn
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But again what is the downside of the time being reduced? So what they didn't announce it?

It's like being mad the grocery store lowered prices randomly a week after you bought groceries. It's still a good thing in general even if you've already done the raid before the changes 😂

Why are you not mad at clol existing? Because you took time leveling map before that

weary galleon
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Nostale players have such weird mindset that everything needs to be compensated because "ppl wasted their time!!1!!1!11"

first of all you are liable for your time used when you very well are aware that a content IS currently taking time
secondly QoLs are literally meant to ease things that were previously a pain
OBVIOUSLY you will have ppl who dealt with the pain, that is the god damn point of a QoL, to fix something that was previously tedious

do y'all think QoLs just happens because nobody does content? QoL happens precisely because people ARE doing content, and are giving in return the feedback that leads to
surprise
QoL

keen wing
weary galleon
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If you buy rice for 3$ and next day it gets decreased to 2.75

do you ask for a 25c compensation because u bought it for more yday? fk no.

tired cairn
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If you disagree with the time being reduced just because you spent time before the change you're putting your ego over actual game improvement.

So what you "wasted your time"? You chose to do the raid when the duration took 10 minutes because clearly you valued the rewards that much. That's your choice to use your time on that.

Gatekeeping QoL because you have ego and feel hard done by makes 0 sense or ancelloan wouldn't exist, clol wouldn't exist, fairy XP pots wouldn't exist.

upbeat holly
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But if the salesman tells you "we are not going to lower the price tomorrow" and does, you have the right to feel pissed off by such a situation

keen wing
tired cairn
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Why not be grateful that the change is in place for those who haven't done it and sets a positive example for how long event raids should take in future?

Or would you rather spend 2x as long in a winter event just because you feel hard done by now? It's a positive thing for the server in general and sets precedent for future events - you're literally actively trying to waste more of your time by pushing back on a change like this because they'll think 12 minute raids are reasonable

weary galleon
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sure
you have the right to be pissed off

that still doesn't mean you'll get a compensation

and besides, Prism didn't say he wouldn't reduce raid's time

to ~5 mins
but that a reduction would still be possible.

uneven cosmos
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tomorrow we will see the patchnotes, I hope we will see my idea

upbeat holly
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Right now good teams do around 8.30 and raid was said as stated before in the message I pinned that it wouldn't go down to 5mins neither 3. If it there is a 6-7 mins it won't change that much and I'd be happy for everybody
Also examples given such as Clol or fairy exp pots don't really make sense since they are dealing with long term features of the game
While in this game we had a 27 days event, on which we had initially to farm perfectly 20 days of 15 raids out of the 27 (which is basically : if you want the reward, start now). It gives for people who love farming a kind of obligation to go for it even if you don't really like all the features (time, rewards, etc) since there is no "in between" (aka go for the event 100% or skip it 100%)

Other than that, first changes were great since it had nearly no impact on players who had started farming (nobody could have 300 tokens to craft the book, or 30 fruits for the pet)

The whole issue is about the timeframe, a better solution would be to extend the event and keep it the way it is now for the duration time to farm items : same time invested for everybody, making a reward as valuable for one or the other, but less pressure on players since we obviously got a life aside the game

keen wing
upbeat holly
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Now let's say on A10 it is said that they wouldn't lower the number of rarity amulets to get a rare 7 and that you spend 10B on day one to get a new weapon and the week after they increase the rate by 50%, you'd be quite pissed off too

uneven cosmos
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Pretty sure less clear time and less gold is the way it will turn out tomorrow

tired cairn
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Your basis for wanting people to spend the same amount of time is just because that's how long you spent - so you want people to suffer through incredibly boring long raids just because you had to.

This mindset and feedback will lead to future events also taking stupidly long - put your personal feelings about your time wasted to the side and actually think about it properly.

he literally said before the feedback of this event and success will determine future events.

Instead of putting aside ego that you spent time - completely by your own choice - you'd rather push back on the change or demand compensation. Based off this you'd rather future events also take 10 minutes per raid

keen wing
upbeat holly
# tired cairn Your basis for wanting people to spend the same amount of time is just because t...

It's not about ego, you can find messages from myself asking for lower duration of the raid at the beginning of the event, lower seed amounts to craft pets etc
But passed a certain point, you have to make final decisions to make the whole game FAIR between all players
It's all about fairness between us , particularly on such a short time frame

Rewards in every game only make sense if everybody has the same/similar access to them

And even if we don't care about my opinion in particular, which is not even that important tbh, doing such a move will, just like it is now, create conflicts in between players, meaning a second huge issue in such a game with a small player base

weary galleon
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I spent quite a long time doing vale and alza during a8 release to get the gloves and shoes

I come back to the game and the amount of them is nerfed
do I feel sour because now it requires less? yes
am I rightful for asking a compensation? no

I already did melonoth 69 times (nice), that's already quite a hefty amount of time already invested into the event
do I think I deserve some compensation for at least those times done? no
do I think the raid would be more benefitial to be slightly nerfed? yes
in a timeframe of any content, there will always be those that don't do and those that do
but those that do are fully liable for doing things first try, they themselves are deciding to jump in immediately, nerfs and buffs SHOULD NEVER be denied because ppl decided to jump in first

that's not how balancing things work like

keen wing
upbeat holly
tired cairn
# upbeat holly It's not about ego, you can find messages from myself asking for lower duration ...

There's no conflict between us I just think you're putting how you personally feel over a change that should've existed the whole time.

Nobody is saying you can't be mad your time got wasted but I don't know how you can genuinely say it's "fair" to waste other people's time just because yours was.

You should want positive change and patches even if they don't effect you (because you're already done with the event) if you actually care about the game.

keen wing
upbeat holly
keen wing
upbeat holly
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So could you please stop using sentences about my level of english, how selfish or ego I am ? Please only debate about my opinion and facts about the event and not about your opinion on me

Once again, the changes I and everybody asked for were on the first days of the event, when no one could have invested a lot of time in it which mades those initial changes fair between all players

keen wing
tired cairn
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It's nothing to do with fairness - anybody that has completed the raid by now is unemployed with enough free time to do so.

Is it unfair that I have a job and cannot spend as much time as you doing the raid? It's a positive balance change - yes it's annoying that it comes so late into the event - but overall it is still a good thing.

upbeat holly
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You both guys are a problem when it comes to debating, indirectly assuming that I don't have a job like you, mentioning any language skills, etc

keen wing
upbeat holly
keen wing
weary galleon
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you feel attacked for being called selfish, but the thing is
this opinion IS selfish

you're wanting ppl to spend as much time as YOU because YOU decided to spend that amount of time.
and with "You" I'm also including ppl that decided to spend time like you
instead of actually reducing timeplay to make it less grindy for EVERYONE so that ppl don't feel burnt out

... and you call that fair?

tired cairn
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The raid came into place on the 23rd and had 2 days where 15 per day was the cap. so that's 30 in 2 days, it's been 5 days since then which is 150 tokens + the initial 30 is 180.

Yes I am making a wide assumption that anyone who has done the book is unemployed, mostly as a joke, but I don't think it's that inaccurate to assume, you literally could not finish the book by now without having done additional raids on alts. I genuinely cannot see anyone that has been able to do 6 hours of raiding per day while maintaining a full time job for 5 days straight. if you were able to well done hats off to you, to be honest i don't care. my main point im making is just because u are able to commit that much time to the game to get the book doesnt mean everyone else can. that in itself is unfair balancing an entire event around requirements that are ridiculous for the average person working a normal job.

again do you have any legitimate reason this is a bad change aside from it annoys you that it didnt exist the whole time and your time has been wasted?

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If you can't come up with a reason outside of "its fair to waste EVERYONES time" then i genuinely do not think you can say this is a bad change and you're just being biased because you're annoyed you chose to spend your time doing this

weary galleon
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I'll say this

no QoL will ever be fair.

It's either you select the minority of ppl who spend time first day
or you select the majority of players who rather wait for a nerf

and I can assure you, picking the minority over the majority (which as it implies, is MOST PLAYERS) is anything but fair.

upbeat holly
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To sum up, I mentioned 3 times the message from Prism saying that the raid would not be shortened to 5 mins on the 25/07/2025 at 15:09
He mentioned possible changes later on it and you can read again that in my messages, I wouldn't mind a 7min raid to help since it is obviously a pain doing around 10 on average right now, to keep of form of coherence and to make it fair between players while making the whole event easier (at least based on time needed for it)

Finally I think It's quite impossible to debate with you with respect, I haven't called any of you selfish, ego, or stupid because we disagree.
You can call me unemployed if you want to, proving once again that we can't debate with respect for each other

tired cairn
# upbeat holly To sum up, I mentioned 3 times the message from Prism saying that the raid would...

But again your point is still that its "fair" for everyone to have their time wasted equally. Whether or not you view that as selfish is your opinion, but how are u saying thats a valid reason for not making a patch change?

you agree the raid takes too long, you wouldn't have done it if you knew it would be reduced, you i am CERTAIN would not want a future event raid to take this long and yet you still think its good to not make it significantly shorter.

give me a single genuine reason outside of "i had my time wasted and thats not fair" why the raid shouldn't be shorter

keen wing
# upbeat holly To sum up, I mentioned 3 times the message from Prism saying that the raid would...

How are you even calling that a debate ?

Your point is everything but debatable, you are assuming everyone got 6hours+ (without talking about the timespaces) to do 30 raids everyday which is like 2% of nostale people (unemployed ones only as I said, if employed ones have the time to do that then they musn't have any life aside nostale)

Yet your point would be debatable ONLY AND ONLY IF you were able to provide us with valid arguments, however, your only arguments now is "Prism said he will never reduce time duration of raid" (which he never said as he said he was studying all possibilities)

So yes, your argument is nothing more than selfish because YOU did 180 raids in not even 1 week (proving the fact that you got nothing more to do right now than spending time on nostale, which is once again nobody's case). You can't feel "attacked" by people saying the truth unless you come up with a good argument and not "Prism said that blablabla" when he literally never said such things and you haven't even took the time to verify.

upbeat holly
# tired cairn But again your point is still that its "fair" for everyone to have their time wa...

A reward only makes sense if on a short time frame such as a single event if all players need similar efforts (not exactly the same obviously, depending on luck, first adjustments, etc)
It's not about me, it's also about lot of players who invested time
Let's say that tomorrow the raid duration is 3mins (which it won't be, we all agree on that probbly), it could occure a lot of players to leave the game from a form of betrayal from gameforge stating during a whole week (out of only 4 weeks) of event that the duration to complete everything would be 60-70H of gaming
This could cause issues to the whole game to lose players like that, we also have to think further than the event while keeping it similar to the first initial changes wouldn't create that form of betrayal
And again it is possible to make it easier while maintaining coherence

On a long term and after this event, obviously nobody would want to have such a time-wasting event, but a next event for example on christmas would adjusted based on previous mistakes and once again, it would be the same for all players (if it's easy, it has to be for everybody, if it's hard, we can make things a little bit less complicated but we have to keep it difficult in a way)

upbeat holly
keen wing
upbeat holly
tired cairn
# upbeat holly A reward only makes sense if on a short time frame such as a single event if all...

Firstly, nobody would leave the game if this was changed. If people are commited enough to using 6 hours a day every day for a week straight to farm a 30 enh book, having that raid be reduced would not make them quit. They willingly let gameforge waste their time by doing the raid in the first place.

Secondly, there is no reason at all for the event to require similar efforts, someone who does it on 4 different alt accounts in 1 acc spent far more effort than some1 who did the minimum amount of raids per day to get the book. It's your choice how hard you choose to grind the event nobody elses.

I am very much so thinking further and declining more positive changes to the event is only a bad thing for EVERYONE because it will impact future events, it's like saying "omg!! i farmed 300 melon seeds day 1 and now its 200 thats a bad change :(", we both know it isn't even though they wasted 33% more time than everyone else had to. It's only a problem in this case because it is you who is effected and because they took so long to make changes that should've been effective much sooner.

If you truly do not want a time-wasting event you should admit, ok this is annoying for me to have my time wasted, which we all agree with you by the way, BUT it is a good thing for the game to not have such a predatory event abusing the power of permanent character progression forcing people to waste so much of their free time in such a short period of time.

Trust me im not saying you shouldn't be pissed off, but being against a positive change because of it I cant see as anything more than bias

keen wing
upbeat holly
# keen wing Its nothing but disrespectful, its only the truth. Going home at 18, doing 2 ho...

I will stop debating with you since there isn't any debate in fact since you keep mentioning personal attacks
Some people are teachers on holidays, developers or web designers working from home and who can play aside of other activities throughout the day, etc.
Some people have social anxiety and don't go outside, real diseases, etc
And some of them suffer from unemployment in the end if they are, they don't need you to make fun of them on a raid debate
You can't just talk about a raid like we do and once the idea of time is mentioned you call some people no lifers...
Some people are also just happy playing video games instead of watching tv series for 4 hours in the evening, there are as many situations as humans and you can't just assume things for them
I shouldn't have even responded to those kind of messages

keen wing
steady hornet
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This guy shouldn't have commented at all ngl; trying to justify the whole if I've done it, you should attitude; with this mindset; go level lvl 1 to c60 without using clol from c30 and ask them to remove the level buff from c1to60.

upbeat holly
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  • Rewards need to be fair between players
  • It was stated on the 25th at 15:09 that the raid will not be 3 or 5 minutes in the future
  • I'd still be happy for a small reduction, making my first point still valid while helping everybody who hasn't farmed yet
  • I also mentioned that : new uses of fruits / crafting of seeds for low level players / could be a nice addition/adjustment to this event
  • We can still learn from this event for the next ones while adjusting this one (and while keeping first point still valid, going back to point n°3)
  • We have to avoid at all cost in any type of game, challenge, etc, the idea of a difference of treatment between players on a short time frame

On your personal attacks

  • People can suffer from unemployment, never assume they are in the first place since even if it's the case, you can hurt them deeply while it has nothing to do with the initial debate
  • People can be locked in a hospital bed, suffer from diseases, decide to allocate time to videogames instead of movies, tv series, allowing time for them for whatever reason it pleases them
  • People can be young, have a part time job, be on holidays, be single or not having matching holidays with their partners, etc
  • Some people work from home, some can play in couple and enjoy those hours spent together
  • Some people can't learn a language easily or are still improving, don't discourage them by making fun of their language skills, we need more of that nowadays
  • Don't attack people on what they are but on the ideas they have if you want to debate, I am happy to read from Smackington that I can reflect on my own point point of view of the event based on his ideas ; I am not so confident about you calling me selfish or unemployed
keen wing
upbeat holly
keen wing
tired cairn
# upbeat holly - Rewards need to be fair between players - It was stated on the 25th at 15:09 t...

There's no difference of treatment of players though, you still can do the raid, you've already got the rewards so what? you can get more boxes quicker.

Yes i don't think the raid will be 3-5 minutes, doesn't mean it shouldn't be? We should as people who care about the game push for positive changes.

The rewards are exactly the same for all players?? You will just get them without needing to waste your entire life doing so???

Changes in the short term that effect players will happen in EVERY aspect of the game, otherwise you couldn't make changes to it?? If you bought a +20 WK and next week theres a SP Balance patch unnanounced are you gonna demand compensation for ur purchase? No.

I assume all your comments at the end are related to rey so i wont bother responding to those

upbeat holly
# tired cairn There's no difference of treatment of players though, you still can do the raid,...

Yeah those last are and I'd rather not comment about them again since it's not the idea ahah

I understand your idea on an sp patch for example since in my point of view GF wouldn't post a few days before that no huge patches would happen any time soon and then release a big one a few days after, not just "slight changes"

I think in the end we agree on certain aspects, yes the raid has to be shortened a bit, yes it is not a "pleasure" to farm (for anybody, even people who are originally farmer kind of players) 60-80H for a small reward
But now that initial patches have been released, maybe next changes could be slightly less impactful so it doesn't make a lot of players disappointed after the time they invested while they could have done something else (in the game or irl) (potentially a lot of them, the raid is being farm 24/24 by 5-6 teams at least)
I'm all about nuance and in-middle solutions, maybe we could find a sweet spot at 7mins/raid and new content for lower lvl players, making previous farmers not betrayed as well as making the farm for new people starting the event a bit easier now
7 mins raid would mean 23h in total
It means not even an hour a day of farming, which is quite "ok" to me based on usual farming times in nostale

And learn from this one for next events 🙂
We'll see how it goes, I understand you pov even though I don't (personally) fully agree with it or only partially agree on some aspects

tired cairn
# upbeat holly Yeah those last are and I'd rather not comment about them again since it's not t...

I think Prism said the raid will not be 3-5 minutes, which i still think it won't be but never explicitly said the time will not be reduced, so i think u misunderstood his communications.

I think regardless of if it was me or you, i would be glad to see the changes being made to raid positively in the right direction, even if it comes at such a point late into my own farming.

I think the changes that were made to be honest barely scratched the surface of the fundamental issues with the raid, lack of mechanics meaning its 90% AFK, pointless copy pasted pre-room with 1 mob different and a boss with way too much HP.

I've said many times if the raid was more enjoyable i wouldn't mind it being longer but even at 7 minutes it would be THE LONGEST raid in the entire game as an EVENT raid.

Even though I know it will not be 3-5 minutes i genuinely believe it should be. No reward can validate having to spend so much time in a month, and permanently player progression is a scummy move to force ppl to do it.

Again I understood your POV the whole time, but I think taking the stance of it is unfair to people who wasted their time, but i see that it is positive to change it like this, in future events hopefully my time will not be wasted in the first place - is the better way of looking at it imo.

upbeat holly
astral dove
upbeat holly
quaint haven
# upbeat holly Read my previous message, it was said never to be 5mins and we are now at 8.30-9...

I am glad I read thru the whole debate first, because your tone did evolve & your points too.

I'll point out that Prism commented clearly how the first patch was an emergency job to provide some QOL over the week-end. He stated their may likely be more updates once the work week resumed.
So the argument « it was already improved, it'd be unfair to improve again after some of us already made do with the first improvement » just stands no ground at all.

Regardless, I still do find issue with one thing noone else's mentioned, which tends to always worry me when « best teams / players » would have the whole QOL & game development based on their performance, rather than the average.

Except.

The way to this has been, aside from discipline, thru mandatory NosMates that are NosMall items
Indeed players who chose to run with the flawed event are liable for their enlightened, autonomous choice. Short-sighted, knowingly. Indeed noone was ever mislead or lied to about the possibility of slight duration update.

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So players who chose to acquire a pet (Ninja Bushtail) and the top AOE PSP (Venus) that only exist in-game from real-currency purchases at the root, cannot possibly set their decision as the natural requirement to keep playing the event after QOL.
It should be out of the question to indefinitely expect of every player that they comply to real life expenses conditions just to render this event raid time-manageable. Whether direct RLC purchases, or their equivalent high value counterpart in the game economy. Ninjas became high value & with reasons, they're not free indeed.
That is the worst possible direction to herd game development into. While I understand taking high pride in records & such, as would I, please do not narcissistically assume that should become/remain the standard.

The ONE strategically mandatory item, as designed by the game team is the Melon Rind for its DMG buff, which is entirely free.

This alone & QOL update should allow all players to access a reasonable duration for the raid

Improvements from bonus RLC items can only ever be a choice for each of us, not ever a requirement to access basic QOL
The whole point of feedback about duration has been that 10mn+ with free mechanics is completely unreasonable.

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On the matter of "compensation" whether you did/do or anyone else feels entitled…
Even if highers ups actually somehow revised their whole politic about event raid duration to reduce around 5mn, that'd be the mark of our feedback reaching out truly & making a serious, company policy changing impact (99.99% unlikely, just demonstration purposes)
That'd be a win for the whole player base, that'd be a show of humility & deep consideration from them… & you'd demand compensation to boot?
Get over yourself, that's nothing of a fair response to a show of humility.

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Tired of "jobless" stigma too

Folks we could reasonably tell more civil things such as « this raid/event is not compatible with a 8-5 worktime lifestyle, which is most common at best in terms of free time left to play »
Rather than use generic terms like "unemployed" or "jobless" thrown all sides blindly, that reflect nothing true or accurate & just shame people with any different lifestyle for any reasons none of us gets to lay judgment on. Ever.
That's actually another kind of show of egotistical greedy mindset, this forever assumption that if they get to spend that much time, there's smthg wrong with them / they're overly privileged no matter how you phrase it one side or the other, same coin.
The feedback about duration also was always about how it should allow on average everyone to include the game into their free time, not get ruled by it

viscid kelp
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Guys, I love this game. And this event is the most beautiful for the game! But after completing 180 raids, I can only say one thing.

Lower the price of the book at the NPC, more is not required.

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it will be sad if the price is not adjusted by about 75 units.
I want to enjoy the event, but there is simply no time and I see nothing but watermelonuncanny idk

mighty fiber
autumn wolf
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people can abuse too much the gold from that

onyx spear
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50kk for 75 raids 10min is gold abuse xd?

upbeat holly
# quaint haven ### Tired of "jobless" stigma too Folks we could reasonably tell more civil thin...

I actually agree on a lot of points and I admit I can revise some of my points, for example that the raid Duration should be based on the average team
In reality of course it is Nostale and anyone playing chill in those raids gets blacklisted in every team, but for the conception and patches it should of course be based on the average time a team completes a raid

It was of course stated that the raid could receive further modifications but not past a certain Time as well regarding the raid duration, it’s all about transparency for me and I stated as well (and only in my point of view of course) that a slight improvement of course could be done without making a lot (and there are a lot of players spamming) of players disappointed

I still think some in-between solutions are possible and I hope GF Will opt for that

  • Slight raid duration improvement
  • New use of tokens other than the book and fruits we don’t need anyway (this point could really give players who started farming before a reason to feel valued Even if the duration is improved, aka « At least my farming served a purpose »

We Will see tomorrow !

autumn wolf
onyx spear
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even on alts thats not worth altf

autumn wolf
onyx spear
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so +-13hours for 200kk that still not any sort of abuse

autumn wolf
onyx spear
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at 180 raids i got no book , noo hat and in terms of gold+boxes im maybe 20kk on+ xD

autumn wolf
onyx spear
autumn wolf
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i got 1 book at 20 raids

onyx spear
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troll 🦖

autumn wolf
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True, m not lying

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@onyx spear so y.y

south wasp
gloomy thunder
keen knoll
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Book is easy, at 3 raid i got that

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My alter do 60 raids and nothing

serene lily
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Please also fix the bug for a5 maps without boss appears🤡

keen knoll
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x2

jolly ivy
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Please keep this thread for Lord Melonoth's feedback only

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And stop spamming as well

tranquil grove
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Players discuss the event
The administration admonishes them to give only feedback to which they don't give a damn anyway and will do it their way
But to avoid feedback on my part is
That raids are fun because they do not require thinking, dropping seeds is tragic because of the bosses' respawn conditions
That nothing noteworthy flies from the raid boxes besides the main prizes and might as well be empty

jolly ivy
jolly ivy
near tapir
visual osprey
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If now the drop rate for seeds is fixed, have we already lost the ones previous or? What is the the fix for drop rates?

shy kite
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Why aren't exact values included in patch notes for mob stats?

mighty fiber
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Very good changes ❤️ thanks

obtuse delta
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Someone go on raid and tell how fast it is now

queen fern
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so pretty much now you can exchange token with the seeds you get from TS?

obtuse delta
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For the seeds

mighty fiber
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7min is raid now

near tapir
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our fam do 8~9mins before patch3c

weary galleon
queen fern
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i was hyped for a second.
overall awesome changes, ppl can skip a5 seeds

weary galleon
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me who has 94 already:

upper vine
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30 str already worth for 1day

queen fern
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woudnt that be awesome kekw

weary galleon
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I'm not even mad at the time it took me

I'm annoyed at my used oils
GIMME BACK MY OILS
eh whatever-

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I had 860 oils anyway 🛌

mighty fiber
robust crag
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W changes

astral dove
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Still doing 9-10min with randoms, people are not cooperating with using melons (they are also using black ink rabbit afk), delete this please, use the TS as a way to drop seals and seeds.

wicked summit
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Still too much time nothing changed overall

autumn wolf
weary galleon
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reminder that Prism already said they don't want the raid to take very little time like 3-5mins

so it's expected the changes would only cut a couple of minutes, not half it

wicked summit
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Still 40ish hours for 30 atk def

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All pet limited tf

mighty fiber
upbeat egret
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fire update gg

astral dove
covert gyro
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Whats the top 3 pet Partner combos?

mighty fiber
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just find better team, and dont cry always bro

why u dont cry for polutus maratons, when u join team with zero dmg, for guys who dont use boosters, tarots etc,

wicked summit
tired cairn
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Who doesn't use a booster or tarot in a pollu raid 😂

astral dove
mighty fiber
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u said u dont have time, but u have time to be on discord and 24/7 crying

wicked summit
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So u think it's okay to spend all your free time during the day on this raid for 30 enhanced xd

astral dove
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i'm not crying i'm giving critisizms, next event just don't make items like melons, people like you don't use them and it's making the raid slower. the item doesn't make sense

astral dove
old turtle
ancient harbor
mighty fiber
# wicked summit So u think it's okay to spend all your free time during the day on this raid for...

i spend 3 years to get +20 pajamas bruh (spend like xx minutes every day to change every single bell to npc to get more scrolls to upgrade, also upgrade cost time when u want to use more than 1000 scrolls to get it) its waste of time, as always, but now u can get something good (yeah 30 enha + pets), u can giving critizm but u cant say its long raids, cause u join team with noobs who dont use rinds & afk etc, if u join active team, its 7minutes so its still long yeah, but better than 10-12 and u still crying a river here. Yeah that other guy know only saying its noob, its kid or something like that, but in case he just crying here 24/7, maybe try to find another job, than crying on discord

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that fomo, of u dont getting book is crazy

astral dove
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you are a serious clown sir, won't be talking to you anymore

mighty fiber
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u still can blacklist all the players who dont use rinds/pets and dont care about them if they dont do what u want

i know u said, u dont like that, so u can do it like on discord list and check everysingle nickname before raid start if he use or no

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or just tell them to use it..a lot of players dont know it
lets educate them

mossy surge
frosty vector
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It's a bit dumb to suggest this now, but:

  • Force 1x seal per player (like all event raids)
  • Remove melon slice, and perma x2 all users (if seal is forced, then they obv have done the TS and have slice)

That would be a way to control the team member power + limit some multi accs (not always worth to do the TS with all accs)

mossy surge
ancient harbor
weary galleon
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I'm sure the raid already forces the need of a seal doesn't it? it just doesn't consume it if you're not the host, but you need it in the inventory to at least enter

frosty vector
frosty vector
ancient harbor
meager turret
onyx spear
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test someone spawn bosses on a5 ?

narrow urchin
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Anybody got a timer with a random team ?

upper vine
sacred moat
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Not talking very often here because of the toxicity of this community, however : Current state of the raid feels very nice, rewarding and is taking just the right amount of time

  • Didn't mention it earlier, but having a raid to farm while not having to be ultra optimized 30k hours 99+90 character feels so freakin good
astral dove
upbeat egret
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people using rabbit have 0 iq, the pet being close attack dies more than is making you money

keen wing
astral dove
viscid kelp
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unlucky 200 raid box

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narrow urchin
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Guess it's BL for rabbit people

frosty vector
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About pets: they're not affected by the HP cap.
That's both a good and bad thing depending their lvl

quaint haven
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If I read the update right, overall only Melon buff applied to pets wasn't implemented.

Regrettable, as the player base does have some nasty selfishness issues. We talk about the deliberate acts ; forgetfulness & unaware first-timers happen. It's also the responsibility of the host & players together as a team to watch out for each other.
As an example, many will say « thank you » when they're told they forgot their melon slice, so will their host/team for the mistake's correction. Purrfect
However, talking as a regular raid host for my own example, I get half as much blamed as I'm thanked for taking a few moments before raid sessions to explain the raid, mistakes to avoid, best strategy, … So yes, when the strategic item isn't compulsory with game mechanism itself, it falls on team-spirited players to bear with the backlash of greedies & trolls. They'd rather AFK, hit mindlessly even thru key moments where that's causing malus or damage, bring whatever pets gives them best profit on "idle mode" while their whole team suffers thru more time & efforts to compensate, …
That's always quite sad & exhausting.

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About the easy suggestion to BL every troll:

While it's been recently extended, game black list still has major limitations & trolls know way too well how to exploit them. Especially when it comes to special maps, such as raids, where you can't use the frikin BL… & who has the brain space to recall a bunch of nicknames of all sorts hours long. Not this one Zoom
Even if resorting to automatic BL, to compensate for game design that don't discourage trolling enough, was an ideal solution… Ours simply is way too impractical. Also this "solution" forces all the burden on hosts, while trolls have their fun.

Why should anyone access the raids that require items without them, makes little sense to me as well. If only to spare newbies & unknowing players, the fed up burnt out aggravated swift rage-kick from hosts when many commit the same deliberate mistake, while 1/10 could actually just use an explanation, or translation.
Same reason I myself sometimes get blamed for "wasting time" to teach first-timers, not that every player is a jerk. But we've already lost X time caused by trolls, everyone's quickly not very empathetic. I often end up kicking out people who become pains just because they can't stand any more slightest delay to give honest players a chance to play as well.
It's a whole dynamic that's easy to blame on mentalities & that's half of it, but it gets infuriating to think sometimes a single requirement more could spare us the hassle.
Much less AFKers & trolls would bother to exploit raids if they had to run the TS for melons (or cook up/buy potions for Valehir, etc) & I wouldn't mind at all the extra step if it fairly allowed for less bias & ensuing harassment from alts everytime a troll ends up on BL.

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Besides melons & pips in the cogs

We've had every other major suggestion taken into account, or bugs fixed.

uneven cosmos
uneven cosmos
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bruh

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the changes made the raid at most 1 minute faster

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10,5 minutes with a bad team (half had a ninja)

elfin ember
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I'm very happy what issues with event getting fixed relatively quickly, even if it still grindy. At least we can see progress and concern from devs. Thanks!

narrow urchin
uneven cosmos
elfin ember
narrow urchin
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tbh the fact that an event raid (after 2 fixes) take as much time, if not longer, than an a9 raid is kinda hilarious

quaint haven
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Then again, we were clearly told this was intended. If 10mn is roughly the most a disorderly/non-NM team can achieve, that's actually plenty better than 12+ originally. On the condition that melon spawns actually are more frequent, so raid isn't an absolute bore, imo. Otherwise I'll be as disgruntled as you lot, on the matter of fun.

10+ years that players complain event raids aren't profitable, fun isn't enough: looks like they might work on that. Profit = time consumption, we can't be surprised with that.
Raid might still be on the lengthy side, we might not love it, but overall between bug fixes, seed-tokens exchange, fruits sales, … there should be smthg to be called an event to both play & profit + grab at least 1 event top reward with some regular play time.

Imo it's also very apparent the event is designed so casual players would look forward to win their own exclusive pet, one year after year. Greed or compulsive enthusiasm will make many buy them off to collect already, heavy grinders will swoop them all this summer… They're choices, that's the economy part we make happen.
The pets aren't crucial to any gameplay aspect, they're bonus, they're event rewards, I actually like that they finally think a little more long-game in some way, without instant gamble-mandatory NM purchases just to keep up.

Again, to me the only real disappointment is they didn't consider gatekeeping with mandatory melons worth another thought, to spare us pointless hassles with trolls.

narrow urchin
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if we're talking profit we're not finding it in any event raid, let's be real the only thing having the people go farm melonoth are the research and the pets neither of which should take that much time considering the little benefit we get from them

coral sleet
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Is it possible to have grenigas on the west path if another character is on the east path? I have two characters on both cards, there were 15 bosses on one card and 0 on the other.

mighty fiber
coral sleet
uneven cosmos
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I had 16 on western path today

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its just about how fast you are to kill the mobs for a respawn to happen alts

coral sleet
weary galleon
near tapir
narrow urchin
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i went and tried the raid, was there even a fix there ?

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damage to the boss went from 150 to 176
Raid duration is roughly the same
still around 2:30 minutes between every watermelon spawns

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trash mobs got their hp reduced but we're still doing the same % damage ?

astral dove
narrow urchin
split summit
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It's highly unlikely we get anything better than that though

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If anything I'm grateful they did more tweaks

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especially the seed mob spawn rate

astral dove
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i wish they made the melon buff on pets too

near tapir
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we did 8~9mins before patch
after patch we did about 7~8mins3c

narrow urchin
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"we listen to the feedback" they said....

astral dove
meager turret
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Only a minute max? 😕

near tapir
narrow urchin
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best i got is 9:35....

near tapir
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so its like 7:37.1?

upper vine
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rn 7.55

astral dove
narrow urchin
upper vine
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its disgusting for me

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this raid has no any mechanic for feel good only auto

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moslty im watching movie or smthng %60 of raid

narrow urchin
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feels like the time was reduced for the trashmob part but boss is taking roughly the same time

sweet mauve
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Well maybe if like every team member had a buff...

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uneven cosmos
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As I said, this change in melons spawning sooner is helping the slow teams more

near tapir
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rush team like us still only do 2 melons 3c

uneven cosmos
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and so not much change for rush teams

near tapir
leaden saddle
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with a good team 6:30 its possible

astral dove
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can you record to see ?

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a lot of my teams were using alts too but dude

near tapir
leaden saddle
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we had 3-4 alts on 7min raid like 7:05 i think

leaden saddle
near tapir
balmy siren
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It would be nice to not be able to enter a team if you don't have at least one melon in your inventory, just like you can't enter Alzanor and Valehir without a potion in your inventory

willow steeple
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FINALLYYYYYYYYYYYY I'M FREEEEEE

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willow steeple
willow steeple
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0 Clear alts dude

young jungle
mighty fiber
tawny rampart
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average time of raid should be 3-5 min max, keep in mind for the next new raid

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It's not 2008 anymore, we need faster stuff

mossy surge
old turtle
balmy siren
mighty fiber
balmy siren
# mighty fiber for what other u wanna to use venom pot?

What I wanted to say is that I get it that in Valehir it's useless to just have 1 potion so this change is not that useful.
But in this raid you only need to use 1 melon so I think it would be a nice change to avoid people who don't have melons.
Raids will be faster

mighty fiber
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but u know, there still be players without it. Its nice to have, but not that usefull.

sweet mauve
astral dove
# sweet mauve

can happen if you use partner skills while being dead (seems like you used yuna)

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not related to this raid tho

sweet mauve
uneven cosmos
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I think they should add some effect players wont like to apply melon buff, like the thing that drains your HP

old turtle
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U don’t use the thingy u use 100x fulls per raid

uneven cosmos
old turtle
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Don’t Think that 3rd fix gonna happen but would be nice for next year edition

astral dove
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For the miniboss that gives seed : please make them non-aggro type

potent jolt
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melon = 2 tokens/ better box; no melon = 1 token; If you gonna introduce this kind of mechanism and knowing people are selfish, just think about this

weary galleon
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Given the prescedence we have I dont know if they can check the usage of an item for a better reward 🤔

any a5 gives you diff box but its completely random and not defined by anything

Caligor gets to have better boxes because there is 2 sides, it utilizes a gauge system, not items

Laurena is just by due player amount

keen wing
lofty sapphire
warm lily
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Phone missclick

warm lily
cloud dagger
frosty vector
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Good idea if they can do it.
I was also thinking if they can't reduce the raid duration, increase the rewards instead, like more tokens

onyx stream
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Was the idea of swapping melon shells into raid tokens there already? For ppl who do not have time to do 5h of non profitable raid/day? Idk rate 3 shells - 1 token sounds reasonable

torn cloud
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A9 seed mobs don't spawn on some channels, like ch4 and ch7

cloud dagger
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Which pet do you recommend crafting, banana or crab? I'm C30+

sweet mauve
dense patio
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is act5 seeds actually fixed? i killed for 30mins not a single mini boss (eastern path)

south wasp
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The most difficult part is we can’t enter into CH1dude

sweet mauve
narrow urchin
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I have a new proposition since melonoth raid are mainly launched on the 1st channel and we can't enter it cause it's always full :

  • kick out of the channel characters that have no in game action for more than an hour
old turtle
narrow urchin
marsh cosmos
dense patio
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If we don't finish enough seeds for pet or tokens for the book, can we save and wait for next year?

meager turret
mighty fiber
weary galleon
warm lily
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instead of farming a5 map bosses it's faster to just go raid for 2 days

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for anyone concerned

frank sandal
warm lily
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i somehow dont believe it, but cool

frank sandal
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I won't try to convince you i, have nothing to flex, if this can help you for your farming we were 2 on two different map : magmaros and one in phenix map
We used wing at each pop and used Chamourai/rainbow spirit

warm lily
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did same thing, clearing map to respawn

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it's just rng with whether it spawns or not. Had it spawn 5 times in 15 mins, and then 0 times for 45 mins

frank sandal
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Yeah i guess so, i got really unlucky for a9 seed (maybe 6-8h for the 100 seed) in an other hand

frank sandal
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Hello Guys, my english beeing too bad i will use a translator, hope that it's done correctly ! I'm going to give a summarized opinion to avoid writing a huge wall of text.

  • Very successful raid concept: new and fun mechanics, with a real "raid" feel — not just a boss room to clear. The first few times were really enjoyable.

  • Raid duration too long: 8 minutes per raid is excessive for a summer event. While the design intent is understandable, it ends up hurting the overall experience.

  • Too many raids required: 200 raids for the book is too much. A goal of 100 to 150 would be more suitable for the event’s duration and players’ available time.

  • Repetitiveness and loss of interest: once the book and fruits are obtained, the raid has no further appeal for most players (except low-level ones). Adding fun rewards like special SPs (pirate, chicken, pyjama…) or upgrade scrolls could keep it relevant.

  • Good gold reward: the gold at the end of the raid is very satisfying, especially for lower-level players.

  • Burnout and AFK behavior: due to the raid’s length, many players go AFK. The fun quickly turns into a chore, and I personally won’t be doing any more raids this year.

  • The book only giving 30 attack and 30 defense is a bit underwhelming, but if similar additions were planned for future events with the same 30/30 stats, I would completely understand the logic behind it and actually think it’s a great idea — because if every book gave 50/50 or 100/100, it would be way too strong.

  • Event duration too short overall: I had enough time to complete everything, but that’s not the case for most players. In the middle of summer, expecting players to spend 50+ hours on an event is unrealistic.

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  • Great pet system: the concept is interesting and the exclusivity is well done. However, the seed collection system needs improvement. 1,025 seeds to unlock everything is too much. A more balanced system like 100/125/150 or 125/150/175 would have been better.

  • Miniboss system is good but too random: sometimes we got 10 in 10 minutes, and other times none in half an hour. It needs better balancing.

  • Spawn issues: miniboss spawns seem inconsistent across different maps, and some appear to be bugged according to several player reports.

Conclusion: a very solid and enjoyable event at its core, with original ideas and good potential. However, improvements are needed in terms of duration, repetitiveness, and accessibility to make the experience more enjoyable for all types of players.

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Oh and i've forgot to say it : really cool pet design guys ! altd

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onyx stream
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Is there a chance for any usage for extra special fruits apart from selling them to npc 500k/ea? Maybe crafting receipt for seeds, 1 fruit - 2/3 seed tokens?

weary galleon
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considering we can already get 2 seeds per raid clear I think fruits just being gold gain is better.
seed gains just became consistent already, fruits are fine just being gold purpose

especially when you consider its low rate and have to raid for it anyway

uneven cosmos
onyx stream
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Ah yes i have so much time right now to lvl alts while there is event raid which is on its own very time consuming.

For me its quite harsh to just qs those fruits, since its drop rate isn't that high. It could be just ok to trade them for seeds which are also very time consuming to loot. Just an idea to optimize whole event for those who are not willing to spend their entire free time to gain 100% from event.

split summit
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People are reaching their 200 raid quota for the book

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and way less raids are being done

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The problem being forcing a carrot on a stick on a raid that is too long and not fun

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The minute players are done, they don't wanna touch it again

tired cairn
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This was all identified before the event was released and ppl said 30 enh is not a big deal and to just skip it - yet it's the only reason ppl even did the event in the first place.

split summit
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If it becomes a trend and they do the same thing multiple times

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those 30 will add up fast

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So it can't sadly be ignored

weary galleon
robust swift
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90 raids since the last fruit

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onyx stream
split summit
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looks like 230 raids for me...

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no book, no melon hat, barely some fruits

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almost 200 boxes of nothingness

near tapir
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400 box, 0 books 0 hatuncanny

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but thank god atleast i have enough fruitselahmm

onyx spear
marsh cosmos
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Don't understand why a cosmetic hat has such a low % drop

near tapir
golden drum
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400 raids no hat no book, I hope who ever is responsible for these rates catches something equally rare and painful.

near tapir
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but for real, this event is design to be too much waste time that made me wanna take a break in nostale after i finish the event farming derppose
which i guess its bad to be let player feeling that way, cause its not just farming and also with time limit to force player that want to reach it ( yes i know its not disappear even after event, but its also mean waste even more spot in ur inventory for a whole year
and back to the same thoughts again
the time its require to consum is like the game designer thinking all ur player have no real lifeelahmm

golden drum
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also event totally killed any activity other than a9 raids since ppl busy with grinding this crappy raid with abysmal rates.

near tapir
# golden drum also event totally killed any activity other than a9 raids since ppl busy with g...

and almost everyone i see in the random team is all complain about the raid
which i dont think the raid is the problem, the raid is fun for sure, atleast in the beginning
but its gonna be so badly boring after over 100+ time doing same thing over and over again and most time are getting only some trash in box ( or not that trash but still worthless )
when almost all player feeling that way, its basically certain the event design (items amount that requirement) are failed

split summit
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A big chore, that's what this game is becoming
The extra-long-and-you-can't-fail-9.2-spacetimes
The fun specialists that are a huge/expensive grind and you can't ignore because of the books
This event raid which might become the norm since it did get us to keep playing without any regard for the consequences

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The higher up's mindset is about keeping us playing at any cost

near tapir
weary galleon
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it goes on your headwear slot

not the hat costume

and it does provide stats
one which is exp
which only one other hat accessory does. (the laurena disguise from Macavity raid in halloween)
but this one also provides atk so its obviously a powercreep from laure's disguise

pure knoll
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10 day i get bananazor rewards and 0 book ty

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80 gift = 0 book

weary galleon
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just did a raid where melons were put on the square but did nothing

Boss didn't get damaged
nor it got healed either
time kept running
we were already 12/10 melons

it wasn't the biggest deal because he was already at 300k HP so w/e just a couple of seconds more but yeah

the mech did literally nothing.

marsh cosmos
sweet mauve
sweet mauve
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Why do we need these?!? Not mentioning I am warrior and they go away after event... 32 wasted boxes 😕

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frosty vector
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Can't full pots become perma ?

acoustic scroll
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Oops, someone corrected you alr

upbeat egret
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The seed mechanic is awesome, well done. New players can make a ton of money while exping

viscid kelp
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ye i think its good event after all fix

cloud dagger
sweet mauve
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10 minutes per raid with troll ppl aren't really nice tho

Especially if you have to do 200 and you don't even get hat/book from the box

upbeat egret
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ye gotta push through the raids with some things to watch on the side

timber obsidian
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Do seeds and fruits despawn at the end of the event? Because if i don't get the time this year to craft the pet, i'm not sur i will get it the next year, and it's a bit sad if i have farm these for nothing :s

meager turret
astral dove
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goodbye sirs

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the most painful event ever created kekw please never again

uneven cosmos
old turtle
tawny rampart
dense patio
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Please extend event

frank sandal
coral sleet
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Do we keep the special fruits after the event or do we have to sell them to NPC?

crimson torrent
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So boring C.C

crimson torrent
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I wish had all these time...

frank sandal
uneven cosmos
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so not the perf stones

frosty vector
weary galleon
coral sleet
dense patio
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I opened 600+ boxes; no book, no hat

near tapir
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forga say cya to melon

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split summit
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Bye melon
You brought FOMO slavery to nostale and made several of my friends quit because they don't want to do the forced grind, and they don't want do deal with it happening again in the future
I won't miss you

trail reef
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It was a nice event after it got patched, nice pets and 21h for a new book was completely fine too. It was good for low level people too, most people here only complain but I believe most people liked it

astral dove
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For next events, please learn from these mistakes, this event took too long, the TS is totally bullsht and the raid prerooms are useless

tired cairn
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Unfortunately everyone cry about event but still do it - if you cry about iPhone price going up but keep buying the new phone it'll keep going up in price. Same thing applies this event probably had higher player retention numbers than any raid in the game for most of the event duration purely numbers wise complete success 😂

robust swift
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Boss could have been a bit more dynamic, not just a brick you have to hit for 5m. The rest was cool after changes

golden drum
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600+ boxes no book, no hat, whoever responsible for rates should go sit on a cactus.

weary galleon
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me getting hat, exchanging for book, has banana and minilonopus: altt I'm set kekw

austere grotto
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i enjoyed it ❤️ ty

split summit
# tired cairn Unfortunately everyone cry about event but still do it - if you cry about iPhone...

This is not even close to a fair comparison.
Iphone you can live your life without it, there are alternatives, etc
This book can't be overlooked, especially if they do it again in the future
The raid wasn't played because it was fun, it was played because it was a forced grind imposed upon high level players
In the recent days, they were WAY fewer raids, and the quality went way down too : Because the forced grind was over for most.

tired cairn
# split summit This is not even close to a fair comparison. Iphone you can live your life witho...

You can live your life without 30 enhance as some people have decided to do. Yes it was not best practice and pretty scummy to gate permanent player progression behind one of the longest grinds in the game that also happens to be a limited time event. However by everyone still choosing to do it you've just validated the strategy clearly works -> they want people to use as much time and money on their game as possible -> gate progression behind an insanely long grind or a paywall they now have evidence it works because of this event, HC raids were first test this is now a bigger one and both were successful from a player retention pov

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I've stated before the raid even came onto live server they never should've added permanent player progression in a temporary event raid so you're preaching to the choir here

split summit
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Also I think there were good things about the event, but it did make some of my friends quit

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And that's what I'm mad about, because they're going to keep going in this direction

trail reef
tired cairn
split summit
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^

tired cairn
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Oh wait that's right nobody did it

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Unfortunately still people just saying it's wrong won't change anything the exact same way ppl complain about the nosmall items getting stronger and stronger and the rates worse and worse - yet still spin the wheel the second they drop. The game owners only care about numbers and releasing stronger dmg boosting items paygated and locking character progression to keep you topping up and endlessly grinding is now proven to work multiple times so I expect it to continue.

split summit
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Also there's a big inflation going on at least in Undercity as the rich is getting richer, and the nosmallers aren't enough to keep up

spice coral
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I think the event was good; no one needs the 30 attack, and if you didn't like it, you could just skip it. It was too much of a grind at first, but I think it was okay after the patches. However, the chances of getting the book and hat from chests were too low.

weary galleon
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I will still say the book in itself is fine

if people still think the event is too long
adjustments can be asked in feedback and it's completely valid if ppl think it's too time consuming

but the book being placed in there in itself imo is fine

if the event was a one-time thing, then I can understand feeling chased by the anxiety of missing it out
but that's not the case though
This isn't a one-time event.
It's meant to become the new repetitive seasonal event, that'll happen every year and the reason why the tokens don't expire upon end of event, so your progression towards the book is not even lost, it's kept.
yeah a year of waiting sucks but it's not permanently gone and out of your grasp is the thing

split summit
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This is the future of Nostale

weary galleon
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there's another thing that people fear is that the event will become less played over the years
uhm.. on one note, I can see that

on the other;
I can still see the raid being played even if it's a couple (even if just like 1-3 teams of 5~10 runs a day)
just simply because of the perfection stones daily
pps that can work on any SP, so activity will be seen every year, even if a little, but at least not completely dead like the literal decade old event raids that you don't even see a single raid open anymore

tired cairn
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Seasonal events realistically should not effect your characters strength for the entire rest of the game when even books related to an entire act are outscaled every year it's just backwards balancing it's irrelevant if it's 10 enh 30 enh or 200 enh it sets a precedent of adding enhance books in events being fine. When winters event spring event anniversary event Easter event all get a book and your character is missing 400 enh will it then be an issue?

weary galleon
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counterpoint we already have had stuff that affect your progression in the past behind an event, it isn't damage but sure isn't something people didn't care about and it's the laurena disguise in macavity halloween raid which btw is locked behind 8 entries a day with a seal that you only get from the other raid or by paying a couple millions

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and while yes I can also understand the fear of suddenly having 4 dmg books in 4 different seasonal events being a thing;

I'm ...

S L I G H T L Y

hopeful that they can also place books of other utilities like gold gain and exp instead of just all the time damage

much like the disguise
just utility stuff that doesn't hurt people's dps ego

split summit
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You can miss this one and not be affected in any way though, you can get to 90 anyways, so it's not as punishing missing it as enh
When you'll miss 400 enh as they said, and getting them means doing nothing but the raids every event for hundreds of hours, and not much else if you have a working lifestyle
Then don't you think it becomes an issue ?

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I don't really mind the melon hat tbh

weary galleon
split summit
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sorry we were writing at the same time lol

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Also I do know the Laurena's disguise is a plague for collectors

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Not even for the exp, just because of how hard it is to get

austere grotto
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maintenance when? 😮

split summit
tired cairn
# weary galleon counterpoint we already have had stuff that affect your progression in the past ...

The disguise is not damage related it is QoL and improves exp % if I'm not mistaken? Having improved exp is not permanent progression - plus it is purchaseable from bazar so it's completely different? The book you have to do the raid to get. If you aren't able to do it tough luck until next year. You're missing out on permanent damage and defence in all facets of the game PvP pve etc. Not just some extra xp that for 90% of the act once you're already max lvl is useless they're not comparable.

split summit
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But it really is hard to drop because of how it is designed currently

weary galleon
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saying EXP isn't a permanent progression is lowkey kinda foul when you know that we will never stop levelling, ever.

There's just breaks between lack of new content but you will be back to levelling any other time over and over and over
the hat isn't even cEXP so to excuse that if they made a new level, it wouldn't work

it's normal EXP, which will always work

split summit
slender violet
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They said no new event planned, so no ur just "missing" 30 enh for now, and you can stack up the tokens they are not "lost"

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And tbh easter had broken pet behind the event that gives you permanent free rewards if you grind sky tower it's not just this event that has impact on the game

tired cairn
slender violet
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30 enh is so little you will never notice bro

tired cairn
tired cairn
weary galleon
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I've already said before

If a new season event ever happens because they said they don't have any plans of making a new one;
those events don't necessarily ahve to have dmg books too.
there can be utility books as well.

slender violet
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I'm not saying it like it at all, but this book is the worst reward compared to other grind systems, almost everything else is stronger

weary galleon
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and what he and I were pointing is the fact that you're talking about taking prescedence, but the thing is

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these type of great rewards being gatekept behind events have... been a thing for years

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it's not the first time they've done it, perhaps not the last time, but definitely ain't the first

tired cairn
slender violet
weary galleon
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I mean if we wanna look at it from the market perspective

The only thing I would've suggested is simply make the box tradeable

That's about it really

slender violet
slender violet
split summit
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My biggest complaint here is the FOMO side of it

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They give us a grind like the 'FUN' Specialists

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fine, but let me do it slowly or whenever I want

slender violet
split summit
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Some people don't have the luxury to spend that time on Nostale during this period

slender violet
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if you can't grind 200 raids in 2 month period over 2 year i'm afraid 30 enh book is not your main priority

weary galleon
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Real FOMO is what gacha games do, where you have a banner of a new unit for 2 weeks and you never see the unit ever again, quite literally befitting the MO in FOMO: [Missing out] the content. completely.

slender violet
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cause like if you can't play at this period, whatever is the event you will simply never get it so...

trail reef
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90% in this thread complain, yes, but people here always complain. 99% don't comment in feedback threads if they liked it, only if they didn't like it. most people i know enjoyed the event and i think most people did

tired cairn
weary galleon
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I enjoyed the perfection stones, personally

a joker card type of pp is very worthwhile imo
especially when some of the sp1~4 pps are still kind of scarce
and new SPs are to come in the future as well.

slender violet
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and yes the retention after you obtain the book is probably miserable

tired cairn
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I can tell you from listening to all members of my family the second they got the book NONE of them touched the raid

slender violet
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tbh the raid is also not bad if you want to farm for pets, trading 1 token raid for 2 seeds

weary galleon
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I dropped the raid after book because I focused on seeds after, since I am the kinda type of player who just wants to get as much as I can of anything in general
when next year comes I'll likely keep doing it just for the pps
I do think the TS is unnecessary
or at least should've kept it at 5 tries a day but double the rewards instead

spice coral
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The fact that people get tired of raiding after 200 doesn't mean much; it doesn't mean the raid is bad. After 200 raids, everyone probably gets tired of every raid. But yes, decreasing it to 150 would be fine too, but it's not like it's a complete disaster and everyone hated it

weary galleon
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^ also yeah, that's just normal, it's basically burn out
even after 200 raids of zenas I'd be disgusted of it too if I did it in such a short amount of time

tired cairn
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200 raids really is not that much ppl do 2-3h of a9 mara all day every day because the rewards are good enough and the raid isn't extremely long and tedious - similarly ppl spam solo A6 raids even though they're extremely tedious because the rewards are very very good. I think the retention stats themselves prove the rewards beyond the book are not sufficient to make people continue to do the raid.

split summit
tired cairn
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I'm not saying it didn't have good mechanics the melon spawns were favourable the raid looks great it was just too long the preroom was boring and mirrored 3 times and the book was 99% of the reason 90% of players bothered continuing past day 1

weary galleon
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except
those ppl farming a6/9 are crazy.
not everyone has the same tolerance for running the same content for 16 hrs a day straight and even when ppl do it some of them do feel burnt out and exhausted of it, but they just keep going because 💀 Idk they're masochists or smth, they'd do anything for the profit even if it meant hurting themselves

tired cairn
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Yet those same people choose not to continue doing melon raid after the book because the rewards arent worth it

slender violet
split summit
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They might have said it's a one time thing, but in a player retention point of view it's a massive success

slender violet
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But then if ur ppl are busy everytime theres an event, they will never be able to play lol?

split summit
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'no plans' NEVER means they won't do it again

slender violet
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Again lets be real man, if you can't play at all during most of the summer, theres a high probability ur char is missing much more important things than 30 enh

weary galleon
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what he meant is that if the argument is that ppl don't have time to be playing an event raid

and it happens at every single seasonal event

Then lowkey they should start focusing more on their lives and their schedules before considering playing a game religiously with seriousness

split summit
slender violet
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But what you want the game to do lol, if you can't connect at all legit?

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whatever is in the event you will never get it, it's the point of it being an event, it's not permanent

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i'd be happy it's only 30 enh tbh

tired cairn
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I think the realistic and obvious things that should've happened is if you're gating a book behind a temporary event make both the book and the boxes tradeable.

Make the raid the same speed as every other raid in the entire game 3-5 minutes so it's not unbelievably tedious and then the rewards being 90% bananas and trash wouldn't feel so terrible.

At least then the boxes are profitable ppl are more likely to continue doing it - it's a good source of gold for all level characters not just high lvl and you have an opportunity to get the book even if you can't put the time aside to do it.

That being said I still fundamentally disagree with permanent progression being in an event raid even if all the above happened.

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And I haven't seen anyone provide a valid reason why this raid should be longer than harcore asgobas (the longest raids in the game) - the rewards certainly don't validate it. Most arguements for it was just well it was 10 minutes before so at least it's improved - other games have longer things!! - I already did 10 minute raid x100 it's not fair!! - none of those are actual reasons

slender violet
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not sure asgobas hc gives more rewards than melonoth jokingly 🤣

tired cairn
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It doesn't but I'm setting it as a comparison for time scale it's longer than the current end game content

slender violet
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but yes it's too long

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it's the case for all % raids tbh

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and thats why they are all left behind besides chicken cause of the meat

weary galleon
slender violet
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% raids is kinda ridiculous in a mmo imo anyway, the whole point of the game is to grind to get better, if everyone is capped these raids will never work

weary galleon
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but yah these type of raids are just naturally gonna be longer because you can't just cheese your way out by obliterating the boss

split summit
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Yet it's needed for lowel level player inclusion

weary galleon
split summit
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Because the difference between an C90 and a C0 player

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well, no need to expand on that I believe lol

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But they could still have made it faster, since it's % based you know what dps to expect so you can easily make it 5 min, it being longer was a design choice by higer ups

weary galleon
# split summit But they could still have made it faster, since it's % based you know what dps t...

said it before I say it again

Alts certainly helps players get more stuffs
... but alts are also the reason we're in the current format.

The whole reason that was the decision for this raid is to mitigate alt abuse

"but it's a thing they allowed, why not let us? it's part of the game"
Because in a dev perspective you cannot just simply let players get greedy with alts and have to keep them in check
because otherwise things would become too easy and ppl would get bored and quit (a lot faster than currently)
Which is quite a good reason why almost no other game allows this sort of thing and sometimes even outright against ToS

unfortunately alt abuse in Nos is so absurdly unchecked that the balance is forced to be taken into abysmal proportions just to counterbalance it and if they did any change directly against alt usages ppl are just gonna get even angrier, so they are taking the more passive approach which is just make content just as absurd.

People make alts to deal with the bad stuff and devs have to make bad stuff to deal with the abusers
it's a vicious cycle.

tired cairn
weary galleon
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Zenas/Erenias certainly make gold
though I wouldn't call a raid which seal is effortless to farm where it drops 30 x 85k "not making much gold"
so I can partly understand them not wanting it to be as short as Zenas/Erenias

split summit
weary galleon
# split summit There's a difference to make there You can solo Zenas/Erenia and get all the gol...

now something you're not seeing,

if the raid was much faster, that is implying the raid is much easier to do, because to be faster, mobs have to die faster and also the boss

which would mean much easier to place alts with and lesser risks

and if the raid was much faster that it can equal Zena/Erenia, people will find a way to add as much alt as they can and stay with duo/trio teams to maximize selfish profits

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like, the raid gives ... how many gold coins does zena/erenia drop? like 23?
let's say 25
25 of 25k
that's a total of 625k gold or 1.8m if we assume people have capped gold gain on some alt

melonoth is 30 x 85k
and that alone is already 2.5m, more than Erenia/Zena per run and this isn't even including gold gains by comparison
imagine if the raid was much faster, easy gold mine, doesn't matter if you can't solo it and pair with a couple of 2~3 other ppl with their alts, the amount of gold gained is drastically bigger that just picking about ~7 coins with cap gold is already on par to a solo erenias... but for 3~4 people at the same time
legitimately the only reason that is holding Melonoth from being more profitable than a6 is time
you reduce it and it becomes a problem
I mean, alternative ig you can also just nerf the gold

but I'd rather deal with 8~10m raid over them deciding to nerf gold to like 1k drop in favor of 3~4min raid... much like they did with Lucy...