#Full's potions farming

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cloud portal
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That in 2025, you have to farm through a minigame (fishing), which has a completely different gameplay style than Nostale, which is not only difficult but tedious and boring, is an insult to the community. Just like in the early days of Fisherman's SP, this minigame has historically only been farmed through bots, since no one in their right mind would play those minigames manually. By banning everyone who plays those minigames (for botting, obviously), the value of full potions increases so much that it becomes more profitable to use huge potions (or just die and revive) in a war than a full potion.

Change: Make it an item that can be obtained through raid boxes, or dropping, on some map by farming (LoL, or a drop similar to angel feathers, which any mob drops in small quantities).
As a last option, an NPC could even sell the fish and you'd only have to farm the huge potions, just selling the full potion or reworking the craft.

summer pebble
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good

ember scarab
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Good

alpine turtle
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decent

strange juniper
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Reworking craft seems the best choice imo.
Because it isnt just full potions.
All the potions and snacks alongside with tons of useless mats we pick up whenever we hunt map asks for overhaul

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We rely only on full potions when full potions should be some kind last resort save a life emergency click

vapid ember
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good

dull summit
sand perch
strange juniper
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Game is balanced around spamming full potions meanwhile you should be spamming some idk 10-20% pots and full should have like 1 min cd 😅

dull summit
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A lot of people do ic with 10+
They will start to become useless, full should be an emergency item
For me they should add better snack
Now with 50-60k hp snack with 4-5k should be viable

cloud portal
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Ye, but then event snacks would be useless

strange juniper
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That is why I said about all snacks and potions overhaul.
There is tons of useless items in this game.

dull summit
strange juniper
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Snacks and pots should be healing %'s with lowest heal cap in case you dont meet hp requirement.
Snacks and pots should be using materials you find everywhere aka berrys blue herbs meats sea food etc + maybe some local materials from each act

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Nowadays every healing item which isnt full potion or c45 weapon is literally useless

snow dock
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"should be added in a raidbox"
well.. yes, thats exactly what a8 and a9 does

"nobody farms it manually"
I mean I do when I got nothing else to do

I personally dont mind farming mackerel, my biggest issue is just how buggy the fishing minigame is, there's like 3 bugs on it and also the only bugged minigame
the other 3 work without issues ever.

that said,
yes I do agree there needs to be a change
potions are scarcely accessible to early players and they have to go out of the progression pathing just to go get some potions (just like FPs, being in a minigame completely away from the level path of progression)
and huge pots from IC aren't sustainable enough for early on

cloud portal
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Its obviusly that full potions in a8-a9 raids arent enough, for that reason I didnt mencionate them.

strange juniper
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Not enough for what tho...? What server are we talkin about

snow dock
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supply of a8/a9 pots are actually more than ppl use

since the higher you are in the game the needs for fp becomes lesser (unless you're swordie in zerk then hf tanking raid bosses)
so the demand is really more on the early/midgame area

but the issue there would not be "not enough"
more so lower players having to rely on high players doing high content in order to sustain themselves in the lower end which is kinda weird-
so yeah early game kinda needs help with recovery supplies

strange juniper
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Im just interested in topic owner context. 😅

But generally speaking I agree with you @snow dock

cloud portal
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Whatever is a good suggest for any server, just farmeable normal fulls and not only in HORRIBLE MINIGAMES

dawn pumice
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You can already farm them.
Asgo IC.
A9 raids.
A9 TS.

cloud portal
strange juniper
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Well... thing is maybe we shouldnt rely on fulls so much 😅
Like i said in my opinion full potions should share cd and have 1 minute cooldown.

BUT instead every potion in the game should be healing %'s hp.

Like for example.
Small potion 5% hp. Atleast 500 heal.
Medium 7% hp. Atleast 700.
Big potion 10% hp. Atleast 1200
Huge/moss 15% hp atleast 2500
Cylloan 25% hp atleast 4500

  • recovery bonuses.
    (For example 😅)
    Those pots would share like 2 second cd and could be combined with food which would also heal %'s hp/mp

Could even create regional potions like moss pots they would use red berries + moss

And some a8/a9 potions which would use berries/herbs + some monster drop from a8 to create pot

cloud portal
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Ye but I mean, thats another suggestion, my suggestion is about can be farmeables without minigames

strange juniper
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Yes and no. 😅 your suggestion is kinda part of the overhaul. Because it would remove mats from minigames and it would replace them with some regional mats.

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On the other hand maybe if you remove the need to constantly spam fulls then it wouldnt be a problem that they come halfly from minigames

dawn pumice
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Iirc, you can "farm" them with fish sp.
But the 100% recovery potion is farmable with a8/9, they're even stronger than regular full.

cloud portal
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But thats not about my suggest, whats the point to must use minigames to farm normal fulls?

strange juniper
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Dead server is dead server regardless.
Spammable raid boxes isnt an answer to everything. It just pushes group of people from doing minigames to idk kiro.

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Regarding low pop dead valehir.
If you put stuff in raid boxes instead of idk minigames it just gives more agency to that raid farmers.
If you put them in ic then you lock urself to spam ic.

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If you put them on low lvl area from monster drops then you have to hunt low lvl area constantly. There isnt a good answer in context of dead server. Balancing shouldnt be done based on that.

wary berry
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My Suggestions is reworking the cooking sp with some usefull fully and snack recepies. Where you use the currently useless drops (for example vegtables) + Legendary Fish fillet(Wich you can craft from any legendary fish) to get 20 potions as an example . Additional if you masterd one cooking type you get a craft all button to remove the annojing cooking minigame.

flat hollow
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i think making that event snacks wont be deleted after the event ends but only farmable during the event, would help to solve the snack problem and make more interesting to farm during the events

gusty smelt
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night barn
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They should make a shop in act4 where you can trade makerel and other items for contribution points. Then players have a reason to do pvp since a4 is dead even after a rework which took them forever. Dont make it possible to obtain them via pve, there are enough reasons to do pve.

Some might say now it will be abused by multiaccs or bots anyway but I dont think so, if there are many active players in a4 who interrupt them. Other way to stop it would be to declare alt farming as griefplay, since you also take away the rewards of players who try to get the monthly rewards. Simply let other players record and report, they wont do it then and we could implement gaining items via a4 pvp into the game, so that pvp can be a relevant part of the game again

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No, my point was to obtain the needed fish for crafting full potions by doing pvp in a4 instead of pve, which was suggested by the post creator.

strange juniper
night barn
# strange juniper whats the point tho? can you even use full potions in pvp? why would you need to...

You can sell them and make gold, especially when they cant be obtained by minigame botters anymore. This could be extended further with other items, so that players have a reason to do pvp in act4, otherwise it will stay empty and the rework was useless.

Most of the players are selling the items they obtain from pve instead of using them for themselfs anyway, therefore not much sense in your post

dawn pumice
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So you want to move bots from minigame to lock out a4 ?

cloud portal
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I dont like the pvp idea tbh, pref a pve

strange juniper
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Making it pvp resource instead of pve or minigame will kill it completely 😅

night barn
night barn
night barn
dawn pumice
strange juniper
night barn
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Both of you should have read my first post where I explain how you wont give bots or multiabusers a chance, by this you can implement such a change, which can lead to something lucrative and fun for a non-multiabuser. Imagine that being possible again in the game.

dawn pumice
strange juniper
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I really dont see how moving players from 1 things they dont want to do to other thing they dont want to do is supposed to fix any problem

night barn
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Minigame abuse: sit in a miniland where you cant be found, nobody can stop you and its hard for a gm to find them.
Act4 that is active: constantly disrupted by pvp players, it is only 1 channel where you can be seen and reported by literally everyone. Players dont want their prizes to drop, so you can be sure that they will report botters. Act4 is for level 80+, botters are too weak to farm in unknown land and they will get killed fast. Just make it so that you can only farm points from players clvl 10 or higher for example and that the low level mobbs on the first maps are not giving any point. It is very easy to stop botters in act4 compared to other parts. So they will likely stay farming in act2 or 3, but thats something that should be entwells concerne. Alt farming csn be avoided by declaring it as grief play, as already explained. It really isnt that complicated.

night barn
strange juniper
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And what is incencitive...? Getting few mackerels?
You gotta really hate pvp to wish for that 😅

dawn pumice
# night barn Minigame abuse: sit in a miniland where you cant be found, nobody can stop you a...

Are you a GM to know it's hard to find someone doing boxes in a miniland ?
Cause if you look at logs, I think it's easy to see "X claimed a box5 with 20000 pts"

A4: well, you need pvp there first to have some disruption. Also, ice flower bots are already running, and it doesn't seems to be cancelled.
Then you are suggesting to raise an act supposed for lv80 to become hiher level than a6.

night barn
# strange juniper And what is incencitive...? Getting few mackerels? You gotta really hate pvp to ...

It could be one of many other items which can be purchased from an activity point shop, did u get the concept I explained? They would be good for such a shop, normal players could make some gold since they are consistantly high in demand and are currently mainly obtained by minigame botters.

What benefit would it be to put one more item to hundreds of other items you are getting from pve to make gold with, when you got the opportunity to implement something in a rework that has been failed at the first attempt, which many players have waited for? Anyway, not gonna discuss further with biased pve players who dont care about the overall state of the game.

night barn
# dawn pumice Are you a GM to know it's hard to find someone doing boxes in a miniland ? Cause...

You dont need to be a GM to recognize something obvious. Whats harder to detected and to stop? Botters that are on all channels on some weird maps nobody else ever enters where spider nets are getting farmed, or a botter who is stuck in one channel with pvp players which can see that they are obviously botting? As said you simply dont give points for farming the lower level monsters in the first maps coming from zitadelle and thats it, no activity point botters, especially when make changes to make act4 active again.

You cant compared this concerne with iceflower bots in a currently not active act4. They can simply sit at the edge of the map and gather the flowers instantly when they appear.

I didnt say that act4 needs to be c10+, I said that you should only be able to gather activity points from c10+.

dawn pumice
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if you want a real answer, it's easier to see someone doing slots of mackerels in miniland.

About a4, you have multiple options:

  • Bots just ruin all mobs, so no one can farm
  • Bots just use their TP to spawnkill on each camp, and also prevent players from entering in the act by reaching cap. Even if they get banned, they probably have spare accs to replace their accs.
  • What's the point of having an act designed for lv80 with its content raised to above a7 ? Just delete the act at this point.
  • If ice flower bots are already sneaky, then they can do both iceflower + pvp on the outside of the map. Not sure where you think it will revive PVP when it's already dead.
night barn
dawn pumice
night barn
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Ye and dont forget the strong buffs the lowlevelbots are recieving, if they send 500 bots to act4 they gonna show those c90 pvp addicts who is the boss and farm even them. Im outkekw

strange juniper
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Well... like i said earlier. If that is what you wish for pvp then i feel sorry for pvp players.

Pvp players who spent couple or couple dozens of bils on their stuff needs a way to compare their e-koks.

The way to do it is to make ranked que which resets every month with nice rewards.

For those who want to get into pvp but dont have tons of cash create next ranked que. But this one has fixed gear / stats. You can only pick which sp you are playing.

No need to even to create lvl brackets. Just put all in one leadership table. Make incencitive for everyone to push for highest lvl gear

Even give out strongest wings on the server for top 3. But with catch that they last only a month. (Or title stronger than master trainer but lasting month only)

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^ this contribution shop bs. Is just moving bots from one activity nobody wants to other nobody wants

strange juniper
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Pvp itself is supposed to be peak content a reward for a grind. Not a grind itself.

cloud portal
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Sadly Nostale is a 90% pve Game, they create 0 content about PvP

strange juniper
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Idk developers goal should be to create enviroment where pvp players are simply happy. Because pvp only players are the one who dont grind and just spend the most

night barn
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Seems like my guess, that you are a biased pve player just has been confirned. Typical for players like you to assume that everyone who is even interested in pvp is a casher who needs to prove his "e-kok". Is that the reason why, in your opinion, pvp shouldnt be fun AND rewarding? You forgot to explain the reason tho.

Imagine one thing, there are "normal" players who enjoy doing pvp. When I go to act4 I mainly see c10 to c80 players which probably have been starving for pvp content in the game. Barely any c90 players. They are far away from what you just described as the typical pvp player.
Idk maybe you are quite new to the game with little knowledge about mmos or you just dont care about an overall good game but I gonna explain it to you. Mass pvp in act4 back then was fun for many, all kind of players, AND it was very rewarding, cuz you needed to farm points to get to the raid and get a r7 box. Thats why act4 was always full. So in order to have active mass pvp, you NEED a good reward system for the participants, not only for the top 3. Those pvp interested players dont want to grind the whole day the same raids all over again with their alts to make progress. Thats one reason why the playernumbers dropped so hard. There is zero variety in the game. Already explained why botters wont have a chance, still u bring it up
Rewarding the best players on top of that is a good idea, but not with something that buffs them and makes them directly stronger, otherwise they will just dominate the next month again, thats why they nerfed the medals that the first 3 players get, 10 and 5% dmg and dmg recieved reduced I think, got nerfed to 1%, so that didnt made much sense.

If you only give away rewards for the top 3 players, basically everyone else will get demotived since everybody knows, that only the same maybe 5 players gonna win every month. Idk man, isnt that obvious to you, or you simply dont care about pvp? Why make a statement then? Anyway its going offtopic, im out

strange juniper
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I was literally present when they released a4. It was never fun compared to arena. It was annoying that we had to fight multiple people w/o access to multi res. Only reason we did it is to fight for basilisk spot and hoped for fire raid 🤣. not because a4 was ever any good.

You are barking at the wrong tree here. I was pvp player just super long time ago.

And like I said pvp itself was a reward for hard day of farming.

Also i never said that rewards should be only for top 3. Top 3 should be getting jackpot rewards. 🙃
If we have actual rankings and arenas then we can start talking about balancing because we will have actual good sample of data.

strange juniper
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Another thing is I never said that it should be only pvp content. But it is major content we should have in the game to begin with.

Also i dont think you ever played any game with ranking in it 🤭
People will dodge eachother. Que in sneaky times. Some people wi put effort and que 700 times other will wue 200 times only. Honestly if someone would be so dominant to win always everything it would be amazing and he deserves his name to be remembered.

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Another thing is that fixed gear arenas attracts different breed of people. Theory crafters who will play something weird in very weird ways 😅 because under those conditions other stuff will work than in normal arenas

dawn pumice
# night barn Seems like my guess, that you are a biased pve player just has been confirned. T...

Back then, PVP was fun because it wasn't a "land a softcrift and oneshot the opponent". Contribution had no value there, you could also farm it in 5mins by killing random mobs or get 1 kill in pvp.
You had 0 reward from pvp back then.

Also a4 was the only way to grab shells, so ppl were afk there to spawn some mukra.

Idk if you know, but they tried to bring back the mass pvp with some rewards. That's the a4 arena. It was a huge fail.
Idk why you're so focused on shifting the bots from miniland to ruin even more a dead act.

torpid trellis
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Useless suggestion you get a lot of full potions on a8/9 boxes also you have dailys that give you a lot too, stop uping this

dawn pumice
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them upping it makes it go back in the priority list, so doesn't matter. They might add some new pots in next act to keep the supply rising up.

cloud portal
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