#Suggestions for SP balance changes (swordman):

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distant rain
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Hello, as some sp changes are coming for this middle year, i would like to suggest some changes.
I have one basic idea, any SP should be able to use in PVE or PVP. Of course, there are SPs that are mainly for PVP or PVE, but it would be great to make little changes to make them all playable if you like them. Even that, i think some SPs need by itself some changes as they are weak/strong rigth now.
I will share ideas for ALL classes, start for swordman:
After all, lets share my suggestions:
SWORDMAN:
Huge changes for warrior, gladiator and harvester. Small changes for other SPs. Blade and monk are ok.

-Buff war: +1 veil, triple strike (decrease animation time), rework flee -> "dragon dance" (some AOE spell with 2-3 fields and debuff as bleed), buff steel skin (duration 30-> 40 and 20% magic damage reduction).

-Buff sader: 20% chance to reset triple attack (as "spy").

-Nerf serker: increase armor break CD (35-> 40), increase madness attack CD (32 -> 35).

-Buff gladiator: double strike (choice -> 1 field), shield attack (CD 50->35), hunting horn (choice -> 2 fields), taunt (decrease 1 enemy veil and change from choice -> 1 field), iron roller (CD 90- > 65), declaration of war (CD 90-> 75), execution (CD 130 -> 120).

-Harvester Buff: blade (choice -> 2 fields).

-Waterfall berserker buff: counter current and cascade protection (speed up interaction).

-Draconian buff: change break armor (change debuff, not only for draconian, give 5% more crit damage taken from all sources and give 2 fields effect).

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Suggestions for SP balance changes (swordman):

delicate crane
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Please dont listen this guy and dont nerf Zerk.

lilac estuary
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No point of change cd of armor break

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Sader is enough strong. He's just slow on basic hit but his dmgs are not low, renegade is in a worst spot.
Gladiator problem is the aoe yes, but also the dmg compared to berserker.
Monk is not so ok, it is obliterate by blade. He just have some more aoes

naive pecan
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I agree with a lot of your suggestions!

  • I love Serker, but in comparison to the other Sps, he is to stong. Just look at the market price.
  • Sader is fine
  • War and Gladiatoe: agree with all your points listed
distant rain
delicate crane
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The problem is not "zerk is too strong" , the problem is all other sp are useless in pve A9

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Add aoe simple attack on one or two other sp = zerk less played

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(I dont speak about cruz, réal swordmens dont play long range sp, we are not archer 😜)

high whale
delicate crane
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The meta about creating new difficulty in raid on the game since A8 is to put 245784512354785 mobs in raids prerooms : In pollutus mini boss are very little, impossible to focus so AOE simple attack > All . In Arma we need to kill 566478541154 mobs for mini boss spawning so AOE simple attack > All. I have 4 SP +20, can only use the zerk because of only that point .

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In my case, i play zerk in raid because i have no choice because of AOE simple attack , if my monk got AOE simple attack, i stop play zerk 100% of time in A9 raids for example

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I played Monk in Asgo raids for one year and i can tell u : In prerooms i was USELESS juste because focus miniboss was impossible because no aoe simple attack, nothing else

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The goal of PVE players is to do more raids per hours, so have to use the best sp for it, and because of AOE simple attack, the zerk is the only one good choice 😉

lilac estuary
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just remove pre-room and do only boss. I'm too lazy for move characters. Or just remove basic aoe from any sp, same for combo seer

delicate crane
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"Just remove pre-room and do only boss" Nop ty

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Why remove AOE simple attack when u can add it on all SP ?

lilac estuary
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Because some sps will become stronger. Image a blade with aoe will overkill monk 🙂

delicate crane
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The fact is PVP is useless since a lot of time, no new content, no reward, nothing so i can easily say this game is a PVE game so why 90% of sp are monotarget ?

lilac estuary
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Instead removing all aoe basic attacks will make even less dps sps but with more aoe and less cd viable

delicate crane
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If blade is too strong with aoe simple attack than monk, just balance it so 😉

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For example, we got 2 or 3 sp per element, why not one sp per element AOE simple attack PVE optimized and the other more optimized for pvp and single target dmg ?

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War, Monk, Zerk , Cruz/Renegade PVE side with AOE simple attack and others more mono target/PVP side ?

lilac estuary
burnt acorn
delicate crane
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It's just an other solution to the problem, but okay ^^

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Imagine perma spam the Aoe-Provok of monk alts

burnt acorn
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issue in this game is the way softdmg works, if you don't soft the damage is pretty much shit
using skills generally results into dps loss as you are animation locked + if it doesn't soft hit, the damage is cope

skills need much lower animation lock time/cast time, integrated higher chance to soft on certain skills or lower cd

I don't like having every single sp being converted to aoe focused basic attacks as a solution

delicate crane
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"I don't like having every single sp being converted to aoe focused basic attacks as a solution" Better than only Zerk playable

lilac estuary
burnt acorn
lilac estuary
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the ultimate of zerk is not so worth but i use the ultimate of crusader, of wk+other 2 skill of wk. on bk is only worth do is the one that has 5.5s cd. Some sps are good to use ultimate or some skills. The lock animation of ultimate of bk is too long

lilac estuary
delicate crane
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Mages got SP2 SP7 and SP10 Meta A9, Archers got SP4 SP7 SP10 Meta A9 and swordmen ? Zerk and nothing more 🤡

burnt acorn
# delicate crane "I don't like having every single sp being converted to aoe focused basic attack...

well, there is more to it than just putting +1 aoe on autohit
zerk itself is a strong sp with high self amp as well as utility

outside sader, no other sp of swordy has any utility at all nor proper decent aoes
gladiator isn't used and ST focused
war is used for an alt to exp/voke slave
ninja is used for ST situations and is good at it
monk.. is pvp focused although it does have some decent aoes, just whack buffing method and rather high aoe cd for raids
renegade is solely dps but well, no utility at all
dr doesn't exist
wax is used for exping.. sometimes it does have incredibly good raid usage if people would use it tho (albeit limited raid slots)

burnt acorn
delicate crane
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Job of alt

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I dont speak about fake archer SP only here for buff/debuff yeet

burnt acorn
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he is there for you to not use 200 pots per mara

lilac estuary
# burnt acorn well, there is more to it than just putting +1 aoe on autohit zerk itself is a s...

death reaper can never become a PVE sp. due the fact that for doing huge dmgs he need to active his besto buffs that many boss would never get because it's only <lv.5. They should make it better in pvp
sader is good for dps for triple charge and debuff
gladiator lack in dps wise unfortnaly
war lack in support
ninja is better than bk against fire boss just because dark > fire 0% bonus instead water <> fire 100%
monk it's not in a good spot because ninja has aoe and strong 1v1 dps, monk has more aoe but not more than that.
renegade was good in pre-rooms before crusader aoe basic atk.

delicate crane
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Yep, okay, but it dont change the fact is a job of alt or a job of no stuff player 🙂

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Renegade got a problem, when u use the dash, u hit in the void And the fairy switch is so useless in 2024, Renegade need a rework

burnt acorn
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fairy switch has always been useless except a certain few shenanigans due to how fairy system works

renegade doesn't offer much except some damage with relatively high cd in comparison, good for exping tho

delicate crane
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Yep, it's good for XP in A7, nothing more yeet

lilac estuary
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but i don't agree with you, crusader is still better than most sp in dps wise. also he has a good skill with +30% chance crit dmg that is giga-op if fit with soft dmg

burnt acorn
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a6-7 alts

it would be more used if it had any significant debuffs + slightly lowered cd honestly
but well, we don't have any meta shadow raids to use it on (erenia doesn't count)
(shut up chi if you say carno)

delicate crane
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I got it +20+100, i played it for Valehir, it was cool but now it's so useless

lilac estuary
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you could use in valehiro raido too but not as main dps, more as a support. Main dps are wks

summer latch
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War: doesn't need buff. If you want to make him stronger, the flee could prevent mobs from defending and slow them
Sader: lol.
Zerk: changing debuff will do nothing. Just pick 1 extra zerk in your raid, and your change will be annoying just for levelling alone.
Gladiator: that sp is supposed to be a PVP one. If you want to bring PVE on it, maybe just give his auto 3rd strike an AOE component (like how rene does with his dark auto)

Rene: not buffing him ? It's an useless SP right now.

Draco: it's just a melee cruz without the debuff and AOE on base. Giving it a AOE on base should make that sp better.

delicate crane
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"War: doesn't need buff" lol play it 10 min and check how many hit war does per minutes ... That SP is very slow, just for that point, it need a buff

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"The flee could prevent mobs from defending and slow them" why not for this point, that skill is so useless

hot lichen
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BUFF ZERK

summer latch
delicate crane
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And when in this game tank with no dmg is usefull ?

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"Alt SP for pve" yeet

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When otter, panda, SP3 MA and tamer sp exist for provoc, nice.

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It was cool in Laurena for tank caligors 8 years ago yeet

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Only used for troll 10minutes when we have to wait 17h and 20h for caligor with yuna, nice

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Nobody upgrade it, nobody buy or sell it, nobody play it, so it's not a mistake to say that SP need a rework ^^