#proofread proof that if every sequence in metric space K converges to some point of K, then K compac

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tidal bay
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Hi I wrote this proof to try to convince my professor that im ready for real analysis and he should let me take the class. is the proof overall good enough and clear enoguh? Am i insane and is it all wrong? can someone please with a cherry on top help

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tidal bay
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Ill paste it here too

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or try to

subtle spire
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why is infinity of the subset required?

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being nonempty should suffice

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you make it look like you need the elements in a sequence to be distinct

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why can such x_{n+1} be picked?

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you're saying "pick elements such that they are far away from all the previously chosen elements"

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why is this possible?

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describe more precisely what E is

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why is E nonempty for starters?

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These arguments are very confusing to read. I think your setup goes something like this:

  1. K is sequentially compact, therefore K is separable
  2. Let E be countable everywhere dense subset of K
  3. Let S be the collection of open balls with rational radii and centers in E. S is a countable set.

Let V_a be an arbitrary open cover of K. Let T be the subcollection of S such that every element of T is a subset of at least one of the V_a. T is countable.

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@tidal bay

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the progression works, though, we do show that V_a has a countable subcover, which we then further refine to a finite subcover, proving compactness

wispy ember
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what about (x_n) : 1,2,1,2,...

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(noticed aL already said this mb)

tidal bay
tidal bay
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The idea is to use the fact that every infinite subset has a limit point to prove that X can be covered by finitely many neighborhoods of radius delta, by proving that at some point you run out of such x

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Also E should contain all x_n

subtle spire
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all x such that..?

tidal bay
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I missed the _n

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when I compiled the latex

tidal bay
tidal bay
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if the entirety of E is covered by one neighborhood of radiius delta, thahts it

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otherwise its possible to select more x_n

subtle spire
subtle spire
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you are saying tho that E is the set of all such x_n

tidal bay
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yes

subtle spire
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a limit point of E need not be an element of E

tidal bay
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I just assumed that the limit point was any point

subtle spire
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nono, that wont fly

tidal bay
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assume it is not an element of E?

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or is

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wait

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first we finish making E

subtle spire
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this E seems superflous, lemme think

tidal bay
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then for contradiction we assume that E is infinite

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means it must have a limit point

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this limit point creates a contradiction

subtle spire
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your argument goes like this:

cover K with delta balls centered at each x in K

then K must be covered by finitely many such balls

tidal bay
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yes

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because every infinite subset of K has a limit point

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and the set of all centers of such balls cannot have a limit point

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otherwise we would get the aforementioned contradiction

subtle spire
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ok, so if only infinite covers were possible, then we pick one such cover and call the set of all the center points E

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then it must have limit point in K, say y, so there's a sequence of elements in E converging to y in K

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but E consists of center points of the fixed infinite cover, since y is a limit, only finitely many elements in the sequence are far away from y, so we can reduce to a finite cover, a contradiction

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ok i think this works

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every infinite subset has a limit point in K because we can pick an arbitrary sequence and by assumption it must have a convergent subsequence with a limit in K

tidal bay
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this is the exercise in rudin

tidal bay
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I wrote this before sequenecs

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that part

subtle spire
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ok so we got most of that done

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there's the last sentence to get a countable dense subset

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fix delta = 1/m, then from the previous argument we get a finite cover of radius delta, call the center points like

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$$x_1^m,\ldots, x_{N(m)}^m$$

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subtle spire
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and you can define

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$$Q := \bigcup {m\in\mathbb N} {x_1^m,\ldots, x{N(m)}^m}$$

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subtle spire
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in summary: you pick a finite cover for every m in N and then you take the union of their center points

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this is clearly dense and countable

tidal bay
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so its dense

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and countable

tidal bay
tidal bay
subtle spire
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all that remains is to prove these two

subtle spire
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the ellipsis is confusing the reader

tidal bay
subtle spire
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better, but your n depends on delta

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n = n(delta)

tidal bay
subtle spire
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yes, you can also explain the notation a bit more for the reader

tidal bay
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perhaps "let their centers be E"

subtle spire
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it's very good right now

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but emphasise that the number of elements in E_delta, also depends on delta, hence the notation n(delta)

tidal bay
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subtle spire
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fml..

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