I was learning how to code too
#high school to university grind montage, will need help during that tho.
visual edge
buoyant trail
Alright. Well then; seeing as you learned relativity when you were only 9, you must know it quite well, right?
visual edge
Probably
buoyant trail
Suppose from a point in an inertial frame, two particles are shot out simultaneously in orthogonal directions, with constant velocity c/2 (relative to our inertial reference frame). What are their speeds relative to eachother?
buoyant trail
I think that that's implied
visual edge
0.661c
buoyant trail
0.661
I'm going to be honest, this was so fast, and your delay to explain your work is taking so long, that I feel as if you had to have just used some online calculator to figure this out.
It winds up being correct; maybe it's just that I'm not a physicist, but I can not do those computations that fast.
buoyant trail
Could you not have used latex?
visual edge
Could you not have used latex?
ALSO HOW DARE U DISS THE GREATEST ART TOOL MSPAINT
buoyant trail
Using MS paint for this feels like more effort than texing.
visual edge
thats why its funny
buoyant trail
Reading that feels like more work than actually working it out myself.
visual edge
Btw am I right
inner pulsar
Yeah
inner pulsar
sqrt(7)/4 c
. @buoyant trail
visual edge
Good I thought I confused a prism for a cube again
buoyant trail
Jesus fucking christ; am I just an idiot who needs more than one minute with pen and paper to do these sorts of computations?
buoyant trail
. <@326954635287855104>
How did you get that that fast?
I mean, it's a relatively easy problem, but 2 minutes still feels fast to me.
visual edge
I figured out what 8 tetration is
timid flume
huh
visual edge
Like at one point when I was sleep deprived
visual edge
not even that impressive
buoyant trail
Howd u know calculus
It's doable; but in this case, it helps that Bravo is lying.
inner pulsar
It's doable; but in this case, it helps that Bravo is lying.
Do you think you can teach an 8 year old calculus?
timid flume
It's doable; but in this case, it helps that Bravo is lying.
it's doable...
no way who's that superhuman
visual edge
im playing yugioh over this btw
timid flume
well it might be doable because I haven't really been to something calculusy yet
inner pulsar
well it might be doable because I haven't really been to something calculusy yet
Limits?
timid flume
yea I know limits but I don't know what they do in graphs
I only used it for my theory
inner pulsar
What do you mean what they do in graphs?
buoyant trail
Do you think you can teach an 8 year old calculus?
Depends on the 8 year old. If they have the correct prerequisites, certainly.
inner pulsar
Depends on the 8 year old. If they have the correct prerequisites, certainly.
No, I mean an 8 year old with an average education
buoyant trail
it's doable...
There are people only a couple years older than you with research publications. I think the youngest math phd awarded was 15 when he got his phd, and 12 or 13 when he entered the program.
timid flume
Depends on the 8 year old. If they have the correct prerequisites, certainly.
teach me calculus 🙏and if God exists I pray and repent everyday for you till I die so u can go to heaven confirmed.
visual edge
why do you use uncommon words
buoyant trail
No, I mean an 8 year old with an average education
Oh, that's next to impossible.
thorny folio
teach me calculus 🙏and if God exists I pray and repent everyday for you till I ...
You don't have the prerequisite
buoyant trail
No, I mean an 8 year old with an average education
If I'm lucky, I can maybe teach an 8 year old with the average education that crayons are for drawing, not for eating.
visual edge
crayons taste good tho
buoyant trail
crayons taste good tho
See, it's shit like this that makes me doubt your claim that you learned taylor series and relativity when you were 8.
At the same time, somehow.
timid flume
See, it's shit like this that makes me doubt your claim that you learned taylor ...
what is the Taylor's series
sounds like a Taylor Swift new album
but whys it in calculus
buoyant trail
what is the Taylor's series
It's when you write functions in terms of very very long polynomials.
buoyant trail
It's not important for now; you'll get to it when you get to it.
visual edge
a set of lego blocks to traumatize you like my opponent he keeps pausing the game
buoyant trail
why is a function related to graphs?
You'll get to that one quite soon in the book.
Just keep reading.
visual edge
have fun usap
visual edge
enjoy your next 24 hours
timid flume
I'm gonna die then
inner pulsar
what is the Taylor's series
It’s a formula that you can use to approximate the values of functions basically. Like sin(0.1)
thorny folio
The real definition is a little different, but that gets the idea
inner pulsar
The real definition is a little different, but that gets the idea
Yeah, that isn’t the official definition
buoyant trail
Yeah, that isn’t the official definition
Yeah. [This is the official definition.](#1364337781102612702 message)
inner pulsar
Wait, how do you do that hyperlink thing?
buoyant trail
Wait, how do you do that hyperlink thing?
Step 1. Be awesome
thorny folio
yes, we all know that if the polynomial is not very very long, its not a taylor series 
timid flume
@buoyant trail
buoyant trail
dont even know basic trigonometry yet
You'll get to trig when you get to it.
timid flume
someone is
timid flume
someone is
"math"ing on me
can y'all back me up
I'm scared
this guy apparently did this when he was 8
and he asked me the question
I couldn't do it
do u understand any of this?
buoyant trail
I understand it.
buoyant trail
Don't try.
Solving qartic equations is a weird use of time.
Just focus on the book I gave you.
timid flume
alright
but he's 18 and he did this (logically someone who completed high school)
I'm definitely not gonna be able to do that
inner pulsar
You just said he did it when he was 8
timid flume
he told me he *was able to do it when he was 8
visual edge
don't worry about me just focus on page 60
thorny folio
god, you are begging for attention bravo
drifting wasp
Why are we giving attention then
timid flume
because it's infinity (GET IT? 
infinity? You're name? )
drifting wasp
this guy apparently did this when he was 8
Maybe he's insanely smart, maybe he's trolling either way you should focus on improving yourself rather than focusing on how fast others progressed.
timid flume
Maybe he's insanely smart, maybe he's trolling either way you should focus on im...
hmm yeah
I should do that
alright I go studying bye bye
thorny folio
btw usap, why did you try to answer the integral guy in the other channel?
drifting wasp
You want to learn calculus early? Learn your pre calc or whatever it's called there, lots of trigonometry, basic logs and exponentials
thorny folio
you havent learned calc
timid flume
btw usap, why did you try to answer the integral guy in the other channel?
I was tryna give him motivation
and try to understand what it means
but to no avail
timid flume
You want to learn calculus early? Learn your pre calc or whatever it's called th...
hmm alr
thorny folio
thats good, but dont give him advice on what he needs to do
drifting wasp
Yeah
timid flume
k
timid flume
hey guys
@tame lynx @pear @itsf @wary kindle @etc...
Research Paper- Orius.docx
can you take a look at this and find the flaw or where I'm going wrong
thorny folio
I'm not gonna read the whole thing, i don't have time for this
but i can give it a quick look
i'm very confused
you define a sequence (f_n are not functions btw, theyre just numbers)
then you seem to "suppose" that you can evaluate the terms in a certain amount of time
and conclude that you can "create a boundary on the number line"
doesn't make any sense to me
"Orius(A)" is not a number
because your sequence diverges
inner pulsar
Well for one, computing each fn (A) requires an amount of work that grows faster than any finite bound, so the whole bounded computational duration thing is just wrong.
thorny folio
I suggest you stick to the book
inner pulsar
Also, I think you forgot to fill in something
“For example, describes unbounded growth…”
tame lynx
lots of fancy words to open with, not a good sign, the document is remarkably well formated given it's ms word
game over.. 😦
timid flume
yea chat gpt wrote that, I just did the equations
tame lynx
you'd do a lot better job to retain the reader if you wrote in a more neutral manner
thorny folio
damn
tame lynx
oh, did you add a reference to gpt at the end?
timid flume
it takes half the time
so it does reach the end tho, for example 1/2 + 1/4.... = 1
timid flume
uh uh
timid flume
so it does reach the end tho, for example 1/2 + 1/4.... = 1
so why can't this go to the end?
if each function (A up-arrow-fn number of arrows)
thorny folio
I'm not understanding something, why can you say each "function" can be evaluated i a certain given time
that you chose
tame lynx
there is no such thing as specific infinite value 😭
timid flume
yea but like
inner pulsar
Also Orius(A) never converges to any number
thorny folio
why?
timid flume
because 1/2 + 1/4 +.. = 1
tame lynx
when I read this Im thinking to myself why not just take a really fast growing exponential function
it ticks the box
timid flume
when I read this Im thinking to myself why not just take a really fast growing e...
well yes I took that there
thorny folio
right, but what makes you say you can evaluate them in a chosen time??
timid flume
right, but what makes you say you can evaluate them in a chosen time??
because, each thing when u calculate it, takes half the time
thorny folio
why?
timid flume
so u only go to the next when you finish the time
because for converging
hmmm why
wait why
no but
uhhhh
theoretically it can depend
instead of time think about distance
there's a company that gives u a task of reaching 1 metre
to move however, you have to complete equations
Each equation gets you half way there
thorny folio
i know the series converge.
timid flume
yea but the value diverges
tame lynx
knuth's up arrow is well defined for natural numbers
timid flume
knuth's up arrow is well defined for natural numbers
I have other things to prove in other sets of numbers, but just talk about this for now
inner pulsar
it converges to time
Finishing the steps in 1 second is not the same as the value converging
timid flume
Finishing the steps in 1 second is not the same as the value converging
yea value diverges
but it does end
that's why infinity ends
thorny folio
....
thorny folio
You don't understand what i'm trying to tell you. What makes you say that each "function" can be evaluated in some time?
timid flume
You don't understand what i'm trying to tell you. What makes you say that each "...
hmmm
axiom of choice, I say each function takes half the time
inner pulsar
yea value diverges
So it never settles down on a single number
timid flume
So it never settles down on a single number
no but it ends
if it ends doesnt it settle on a single number
well it's infinite in value but
ends
tame lynx
ok so this is a big problem
timid flume
ok so this is a big problem
How
thorny folio
axiom of choice, I say each function takes half the time
??????????
timid flume
??????????
uh
thorny folio
that's not how it works
tame lynx
How
let's assume your process is well defined, what you have effectively said that ANY such process completes in 1 second
clearly that's not true
inner pulsar
no but it ends
So Orius(A) isn’t a number in R?
thorny folio
let's assume your process is well defined, what you have effectively said that A...
yes, because the axiom of choice...
timid flume
So Orius(A) isn’t a number in R?
it is
timid flume
let's assume your process is well defined, what you have effectively said that A...
well yes
u can take any number to start with and any time to end with
tame lynx
why not 0 time, then? choice completes in an instant
timid flume
why not 0 time, then? choice completes in an instant
because u can't half 0
inner pulsar
So, it isn’t a number in R
thorny folio
-1 seconds why not?
timid flume
You yourself said that it never settles down on a single number
it does end tho
timid flume
-1 seconds why not?
ah yes I tried that for going to negative infinity
inner pulsar
it does end tho
But not at a value
inner pulsar
So, it cant be in R, since it doesn’t even have a fixed value
tame lynx
if A > 1, then Orius (A), assuming it's well defined, is unbounded, or in analysis lingo, the limit is +infinity
so what's the point of introducing this notation to start with
tame lynx
exp(n) grows large too
timid flume
So, it cant be in R, since it doesn’t even have a fixed value
maybe
timid flume
exp(n) grows large too
yes, but u start with f0, u can't power 0 to A
tame lynx
timid flume
So, you agree?
maybe.. I'm not sure it doesn't have a reason not to end in real numbers because everything is calculated with a natural number
tame lynx
you don't know this
thorny folio
The point is, you can't compute your sequence of f_n in a finite amount of time, simply because it diverges
tame lynx
not when A <= 1
timid flume
not when A <= 1
okay if I say a = >1
timid flume
The point is, you can't compute your sequence of f_n in a finite amount of time,...
but why not
tame lynx
that's not a property of the function, it's just generic nonsense, sry 😦
timid flume
hmmmm
thorny folio
but why not
the real question is why could you
inner pulsar
maybe.. I'm not sure it doesn't have a reason not to end in real numbers because...
fn (A) diverges to +infinity, so the limit of fn (A) as n approaches infinity doesn’t exist in real numbers.
tame lynx
when you define a function, the very first thing you do is declare its domain AND codomain
since you are talking about limits, you can only mean its codomain is R
timid flume
if f0 = A^A
then f1 = A {^f0} A
and f2 = A {^f1} A
and fn+1 = A {^fn} A
where Tn = 1/ 2^n+1
so if T = 1 second, f0 completes in 0.5s , f1 only starts when 0.5s is over and f1 takes 0.25s
And f2 takes so and so... till 1s is reached
tame lynx
but then you can't calculate it for ANY real number
inner pulsar
fn (A) diverges to +infinity, so the limit of fn (A) as n approaches infinity doesn’t exist in real numbers.
timid flume
but n approaches T
thorny folio
if f0 = A^A
then f1 = A {^f0} A
and f2 = A {^f1} A
and fn+1 = A {^fn} A
wher...
i mean, thats just wrong
timid flume
and when it does, the value goes up
timid flume
i mean, thats just wrong
how
tame lynx
Let's assume that somehow, someway, this function can be computed in the way you describe. What is the point of it? What problem are you solving?
inner pulsar
but n approaches T
I’m talking about orius(A)
inner pulsar
n approaches infinity is what u said
timid flume
I’m talking about orius(A)
T is a part of it
timid flume
computing two different numbers doesnt take the same time
well yes
the second one takes even faster time
inner pulsar
timid flume
and third one even faster
timid flume
Added T down there too
thorny folio
and third one even faster
No
timid flume
hmmm why not
inner pulsar
No, you’re definition of Orius is wrong, since fn (A) diverges to +inf
tame lynx
this sounds like something that could be proved..wink wink 🙂
inner pulsar
Fr
cosmic trail
guys this conversation is fucking killing me
cosmic trail
I'm trying to study
tame lynx
hf
cosmic trail
I am not
tame lynx
puff puff and pass 
not ordering, but..expansion? sounds like ordering to me
more nonsense, no explanations, no examples, no references
thorny folio
Correct me if I'm wrong @timid flume but you tried to prove you can "compute infinity" in a finite amount of time. In doing so, you proved anything at all can be computed in a finite amount of time.
tame lynx
I don't know why I'm bothering but, you're not getting attention with this sort of text from anyone
when people introduce novel ideas, an important part of their work is demonstrate technique
timid flume
Correct me if I'm wrong <@1232443865370202153> but you tried to prove you can "c...
hmm maybe
timid flume
when people introduce novel ideas, an important part of their work is demonstrat...
I see
tame lynx
your text only contains claims after claims, there is very little exposition at the start
cosmic trail
I don't know why I'm bothering but, you're not getting attention with this sort ...
he's getting attention from you guys
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tame lynx
well we don't matter
timid flume
not really attention but
tame lynx
we're just some random dudes in a discord chat
tame lynx
you haven't proved anything
inner pulsar
fn (A) diverges to +infinity, so the limit of fn (A) as n approaches infinity doesn’t exist in real numbers.
cosmic trail
I don't know what's wrong
It seems like you just use a lot of buzz words without much meaning or proof or examples as to what you actually mean
tame lynx
you've written a lot of symbols in an array that means very little
cosmic trail
Try talk to your teachers
cosmic trail
Hmm
keep learning content, you're realistically not going to come up with groundbreaking research without knowing any maths
it sounds like you're invested in the subject, so keep going! :D
inner pulsar
It’s almost* impossible for anyone with a high school education to come up with a concept that revolutionises math
tame lynx
.cough.. Gauss..cough
cosmic trail
it sounds like you're invested in the subject, so keep going! :D
you can learn above high school level now but you need to learn the high school stuff first, you can't skip stages like that really because a lot of what you're trying to say relies on underlaying topics that you haven't learnt/don't understand properly
tame lynx
let me just say one thing tho
you're taking this very well
a math crank is very resentful whenever their "work" is criticised at all
timid flume
I see
it's not like I had a high expectation, but was just seeing if it was actually right
tame lynx
with no proofs, there is no way to tell
and like I said, you haven't even formulated a problem which you are attempting to solve
there is nothing to evaluate
tame lynx
that sort of binary off/on thinking won't do you much good either
but it's the age I suppose, just keep learning what you can where you can
if you are really interested in math, look for a seat in a uni
happy sunday 
thorny folio
but what about the concept
The computation time if wrong
timid flume
hm
gritty agate
from which book is the bottom left photo?
visual edge
Does he know the basic concept on how to do maths btw
buoyant trail
from which book is the bottom left photo?
They are all from Serge Lang's Basic Mathematics
visual edge
So they know how to think a different way
Are you sure he's understanding the things you're telling him and not just doing it
buoyant trail
Research Paper- Orius.docx
Okay, so honestly, I don't have anything that can read .docx files. I can try to convert it to a .pdf or a .odt or something of the sort; but I don't think it's worthwhile. Maybe I'd come up with more or different criticisms than aL did; but at this point, with you having learned the utmost basics of mathematical proof just yesterday and working through Lang's highschool book right now, I also don't think that a research paper is the best use of your time.
visual edge
I guess I'll ask him a question later and if he gets it right I'll know
drifting wasp
yea chat gpt wrote that, I just did the equations
Don't try that shit, what's the point of writing a paper if you're letting an ai decide how to fit it together
I'm reading the paper and I am thinking of quitting because the introduction is just a word salad from my perspective
halcyon merlin
Research Paper- Orius.docx
"proving that infinity is not a concept but truly existent" makes no sense. There is no mathematical way to differentiate between conceps and "truly existing"
Every number is a concept from a axiomatic framework. Especially numbers like pi, which are really equivalence classes of cauchy sequences etc etc etc
Infinity is a number when working in the extended reals or in $\mathbb{P}(\mathbb{R})$
ionic mortarBOT
Jehare
halcyon merlin
A better use of your time would be learning math from a academic standpoint, finising highschool quickly is a valid idea, to then get into university quickly. You wouldn't be the only younger person at university.
But it's important to get into university and learn the basics before attempting any advanced math.
Oh and if you choose to ignore me and do more writing, learn LaTeX cause a docx file is horrible
-conventionally, capital letters are matrices, sets, functions, etc, not just numbers in R. I'd change A to like a or just x
-the concept of executing calculations at a certain time without time being used in the equation is not something you need to do. This is solving a practical issue (limited computational time) with a fully theoretic approach of having infinite steps in finite time. You could just say it's a process with countable steps or something, the time-thing doesn't do anything here
halcyon merlin
"proving that infinity is not a concept but truly existent" makes no sense. Ther...
-And like I said in my initial response, after the sloppy definitions there really isn't a conclusion to take here. You haven't proven that infinity is a "truly existing" concept and this is definitely not a "formalized, structured view of infinity with potential implications for logic, computation, and number theory."
So again, my advice would be to put all your motivation in finishing highschool and getting unto university, and once you've been at university for a few years revisit these thoughts and start writing serious math.
timid flume
So they know how to think a different way
maybe
visual edge
maybe
Do you know basic symbols i.e. {(ϕ∧ψ)→θ}⊢ϕ→(ψ→θ)?
And if I said ϕ∧(ψ∧θ)ϕ∧(ψ∧θ)\phi, \wedge, left parenthesis, \psi, \wedge, theta, right parenthesis would you know what I mean like would the other be true and and false?
timid flume
Do you know basic symbols i.e. {(ϕ∧ψ)→θ}⊢ϕ→(ψ→θ)?
uh
I just know they're Greek
and
u assign whatever meaning u want
if u give me the meaning or context I could try
tame lynx
Okay, so honestly, I don't have anything that can read .docx files. I can try to...
it contains a lot of claims, most of them false, some unknowns, there is very little exposition, minimal references, e.g knuths up arrow is arbitrarily defined for all positive real numbers but there's even no examples of computation and most of all - lots of wordsoup
you are not missing out on anything
drifting wasp
Awesome
visual edge
If you want a basic overview on what you need to know its the perspectives, calculus, differential equations, discrete maths, linear algebra, probability statistics, analysis, abstract algebra, differential equations, logic, topology and geometry to be decent
visual edge
Do you know basic symbols i.e. {(ϕ∧ψ)→θ}⊢ϕ→(ψ→θ)?
It's basically this but beginner friendly
Do this for 4 hours a week for 34 weeks or 9ish months (rounded up)
Then we can get into the normal stuff
Like topoly, euclidean planes etc its elementary stuff
halcyon merlin
I don't think first order predicate logic is what this man needs most at this point
visual edge
I don't think first order predicate logic is what this man needs most at this po...
its literally how u become a mathematician wydm
final bolt
I think right now the focus should be on high school stuff, from what I read op needs to develop more mathematic rigor, and be more experienced in math, I get the feeling that they are rushing math and learning fancy words without knowing what they mean
You need to have a good foundation
Math is like a beautiful statue, it’s very pretty to look at, but without good fondation it will crumble sooner or later, so get good basics to not let it crumble and appreciate its beauty even more
halcyon merlin
its literally how u become a mathematician wydm
No lmao
You don't learn first order predicate logic as intro to academic math
tame lynx
not the ins and outs of it, but it's on the menu for our first year students
halcyon merlin
Here logic as a course in the first year is a computer science course, very much optional for math students. Introductory math courses ofcourse explain universal and existential quantifier and basic logic operators like implies, and, or, xor, but that's like 30 minutes of lecture
Learning first order systems and godels incompleteness and such is a very different thing
sweet smelt
I dipped out for a bit what did I miss
sweet smelt
its literally how u become a mathematician wydm
The kid's not even out of high school and his basics are like not even there
also why is this here in #1020426321261756536
it should be in #1015578016606343218
visual edge
you can grind to university by grinding with the university courses
teach urself how to, independent learner 👍
sweet smelt
teach urself how to, independent learner 👍
well he'd at least need the basics of math before he can do anything
visual edge
that is basic maths wydm
visual edge
logic is the first thing i learned in elementary
visual edge
yes
sweet smelt
propositions and all
what kind of elementary school did you attend
I learned that 1+1=2 in elementary
visual edge
the one that taught me mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell
sweet smelt
the one that taught me mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell
where do you live
country
visual edge
japan
halcyon merlin
yes
So in primary school, you learned and were able to prove this sequent in classical first order logic (cND_1) using Fitch style?
visual edge
i did a lot and i don't remember any of it
halcyon merlin
aah you forgot
Classic
I'm sure the other kids in your elementary school will remember the classes fondly 🥰
This was the solution, maybe that helps you remember a bit, always good to refresh on old classes 😃
visual edge
the fucked up part is they probably would know how to solve that in elementary
buoyant trail
@timid flume It's been a couple days. How goes Lang's book?
visual edge
pretty sure he died from unmotivation
final bolt
pretty sure he died from unmotivation
Why do you think so ? They could be really motivated
buoyant trail
pretty sure he died from unmotivation
Any lack of motivation is likely due to you being a dick. "Oh look at me, I know more than you, 13 year old who's trying to learn math! Look at how good I am at predicate logic!" is... not exactly an encouraging way to speak to someone.
visual edge
just a guess
visual edge
Any lack of motivation is likely due to you being a dick. "Oh look at me, I know...
ok!
halcyon merlin
wasn't it already
dude talked about becoming a dictator pretty much a week ago
^
(not to mention the "research paper" which had pretty much the same pseudomath vibes as irrationality of pi)
clever violet
@timid flume, last time I checked you were fine with all of the stuff in those books, do you need any help reviewing? I've been stuck on this one fucking topic that is wayy too many pages for one man to understand, so I'm willing to re-read and summarize anything to get out of this tbh.
visual edge
dude talked about becoming a dictator pretty much a week ago
usap did that?
inner pulsar
This is about to become irrational of pi
Fr, 2431 messages
timid flume
hi
timid flume
<@1232443865370202153>, last time I checked you were fine with all of the stuff ...
no not really, I put it on a pause to get ready from may 1st
I listened to many rage getting and unjustice related documentaries and movies
so that I'm soo pumped up to focus for a whole month
timid flume
<@1232443865370202153> It's been a couple days. How goes Lang's book?
yo
uh
I realized I wouldn't be able to read it all and understand it if I went on this pace with this mindset
urban valley
i think you should focus on dedication instead of motivation just a consistent 1 - 2 hours a day is better then going all out for a month and getting burnt out
timid flume
i think you should focus on dedication instead of motivation just a consistent 1...
but I don't wanna go to school
Once school starts this is gonna be impossible
urban valley
i dont see how that coralates with going to school
timid flume
uh well there's 8 hours in school and some more in hope because of it
and then sleeping eating
that's it
urban valley
ok perfect you have 6 free hours
timid flume
life's not gonna give me another chance till a year
timid flume
ok perfect you have 6 free hours
no
It's impossible for me to stay focused with all the other things
because I hate school and I get un motivated because of it
urban valley
10 hours school 7 hours sleep 2 hours eating/ showering you have 5 free hours
timid flume
but during those
urban valley
like i said motivation doesnt matter dedication is better
timid flume
it's gonna be hard keeping on work
buoyant trail
i think you should focus on dedication instead of motivation just a consistent 1...
Yeah, this is absolutely true.
urban valley
get a schedule and stick to it atleast 45 mins a day you wont see progress as fast but your core foundations will be built on top of that and you'll see alot of success down the line if you pursue math
timid flume
I'm preparing for staying motivated till a month and putting everything in, then taking 2-3 months of break and studying
here's the thing
if I do that
my holidays are wasted
I'll end up stuck in between
because the motivation won't be up for more than a month
urban valley
if i take 45 dollars from you will you throw away the rest of your 2000 dollars ?
just beacuse you spend 45 mins of your day on something not as fun doesnt mean your whole day is wasted
timid flume
if i take 45 dollars from you will you throw away the rest of your 2000 dollars ...
no, but if I lose 45 dollars in gambling, I'd definitely bet a lot (I used to gamble a lot before in another game)
urban valley
well its good that we werent talking about gambling but about studying
timid flume
alright but
the syllabus is simply too much
I won't be able to do it for like 1-2 years
if I keep 45 minutes a day
(Accounting for some days breaking the streak)
timid flume
I won't be able to do it for like 1-2 years
I don't wanna go to school anymore that's why I'm pumping myself up with motivation for this whole month rn
urban valley
nvm then you do you i was just giving my thoughts 
timid flume
and that's why I don't check this chat, everytime I come here something dis motivates me
timid flume
nvm then you do you i was just giving my thoughts <:upthumbs:1301246374205194240...
no worries
I just wanted to give y'all an update on why I'll be offline for the next month mostly.
sweet smelt
This is about to become irrational of pi
oo what happened show me show me
sweet smelt
I don't wanna go to school anymore that's why I'm pumping myself up with motivat...
as we've told you, that is not an option
the "not going to school" part
timid flume
I'm gonna make it then, if it requires the world to be changed, so be it.
clever swallowBOT
Congratulations @buoyant trail, you have been awarded the <@&1257594408103317575> for being the most active user today.
final bolt
Even if you don’t like school, it is a necessity
timid flume
I can try getting what it gives, myself
final bolt
You can try, but don’t abandon school
You can do math and other subjects on the side imo but don’t abandon school
drifting wasp
oo what happened show me show me
You have to search it up
In the discussion threats
sweet smelt
I'm gonna make it then, if it requires the world to be changed, so be it.
Growing up is realising school is the best part of your life, and the importance of school. Appreciate it while you can
sweet smelt
You can do math and other subjects on the side imo but don’t abandon school
I think the issue here is that he's fundamentally trying to use learning math as an excuse to skip school
And not for the sake of learning math itself
visual edge
bro how isn't usap banned he's clearly trolling
west sentinel
how so?
final bolt
I think the issue here is that he's fundamentally trying to use learning math as...
Oh I see, yeah that’s a problem Indeed
final bolt
bro how isn't usap banned he's clearly trolling
?
west sentinel
Im shocked for someone so young he is asking about this stuff
final bolt
doesn’t seem like it imo
west sentinel
I don't wanna go to school anymore that's why I'm pumping myself up with motivat...
Ok i just saw this. Bruhhhhh.
final bolt
bro how isn't usap banned he's clearly trolling
Why do you think so ?
visual edge
Why do you think so ?
#1364337781102612702 message
this is the most obvious one
This is the 2nd most obvious one: #1364337781102612702 message
#1364337781102612702 message #1364337781102612702 message
left sparrow
?!
final bolt
I personally don’t think so, doing a whole ass research paper just for trolling on discord seems like too much dedication
And regardless it’s harmless it’s not against the server rules
It’s not disruptive
buoyant trail
bro how isn't usap banned he's clearly trolling
He is less obviously trolling than you are (e.g. #1364337781102612702 message), and you're still around.
visual edge
That's not a troll tho
sweet smelt
bro how isn't usap banned he's clearly trolling
I think he's just delulu and not trolling
It's ok most 14 year olds are like that
sweet smelt
It's ok most 14 year olds are like that
There's literally a Japanese term to describe this
Look up chunibyo
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drifting wasp
Mass ping
buoyant trail
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Thanks for letting me know!
visual edge
im helping someone else
halcyon merlin
I'm usually helping myself 😭
Always happy to deliver a load of unfiltered critique though 😃
timid flume
sorry didn't think it would do a mass ping
I would have planned it at night time if I knew
buoyant trail
whys this a feature
It's a feature because most people don't use the help threads in the way that you are. You might be better off closing this thread, then opening a discussion thread in #1018223258228760617.
timid flume
ah I see
I'd rather wait 23:59:59 hours to put a dot tho
that seems more fun and efficient
and besides I'm gonna be soon at the level where I actually ask good questions here
thorny folio
Yes, and a PhD in two weeks.
timid flume
yyyyyea-
left sparrow
<@479090047560187916> <@326954635287855104> <@1245133657690214403> <@93114137069...
Holy fucking shit. That’s a lot of people.
wary kindle
<@479090047560187916> <@326954635287855104> <@1245133657690214403> <@93114137069...
right!!
dark grail
hey kid, just in case
have you been watching andrew tate or something, cause you seem to be parroting a lot of the talking points those types of influencers like to make
don’t get me wrong, there are useful things you can pick up there, being more independent/motivated etc but you can’t just grind your way into anything
you need to set realistic goals so you don’t burn yourself out
you’re still just 14, you gotta enjoy being a kid while you still can, cause you’re not gonna be able to in the future
sweet smelt
It's a feature because most people don't use the help threads in the way that yo...
what is that
mortal sand
what things will kt change?
wary kindle
have you been watching andrew tate or something, cause you seem to be parroting ...
i really did not see him do that
other than maybe wanting to leave school and become a dictator
does that really count though?
timid flume
have you been watching andrew tate or something, cause you seem to be parroting ...
no lmao
he was a trend about a year ago
this typa idea is completely (or mostly) on my own
they do things which are like " wHeRe ArE wE gonna use this in real life "
I wanna quit school but only if I'm worthy of it, aka if I know or study the things which will be taught there
wary kindle
finishing school (much like finishing university) is not just about knowing the stuff though.
because even if you know the stuff, without actual qualifications or something to back it up an employer for example might not believe you know the stuff
and would likely hire someone who had finished school or university instead
and its honestly really hard to get around that
timid flume
well true true I can't think of skipping uni unless I'm a business startup
But what I can think of is skipping school to go to uni
wary kindle
uni is almost as boring as school btw
a lot of the time
you will have classes you dont like, unengaged lecturers who just read through slides etc.
ofc hopefully lots of classes you enjoy as well, but it will also be boring a lot of the time
timid flume
hmm
spark blaze
But what I can think of is skipping school to go to uni
apologies for butting in, i just want to see if i can help, but why do you want to leave school in the first place?
timid flume
because
it seems
inefficient
and
like a mild eternal hell
8 hours a day at school and after u come home 2-3 for settling and others
spark blaze
inefficient
as in you believe half the stuff you learn you can learn without school or will have no use for?
spark blaze
8 hours a day at school and after u come home 2-3 for settling and others
oh yeah i get that😭 i used to get home from school sleep til 8pm and feel like my entire day flew by
timid flume
8 hours a day I do almost nothing
timid flume
they do teach something which might be important
but they teach soo less
and languages and other things except English isn't really what I'm gonna do after 3 years anyways
for example social history
spark blaze
you do realize school teaches you a lot more than just studies?
timid flume
where I live 2nd and 3rd languages are a thing along with history geography and civics
spark blaze
how to deal with people, how to make friends
timid flume
you do realize school teaches you a lot more than just studies?
uh yes
but I'm pretty sure
spark blaze
social skills are important in life no matter how you swing it
timid flume
I'm at a psychological stage to understand things enough
I do know social and life skills are important
spark blaze
besides.. do you realize how hard it is to get a job these days?
wary kindle
and languages and other things except English isn't really what I'm gonna do aft...
learning broadly ultimately makes you more efficient at learning, skills are transferable as well (thinking differently about things, writing, etc.)
spark blaze
do you think telling people you dropped out at 14 will make it easier?
spark blaze
then why make it harder for your future self?
timid flume
it's not like
I'm going off of academics
it's more like
I'm going deeper into it
it would be hard but I definitely like it
spark blaze
you can't go deeper if you don't even do the basics first
you seem to be interested in maths, do you think a person who can't add numbers would be able to do well at calculus?
and where would they learn to add numbers? at school of course
spark blaze
timid flume
in school atleast-
spark blaze
would it not be easier to have someone that teaches you everything?
you're making this harder than it needs to be for urself
self studying is important, but a personal teacher who can understand where you're weak and help you work on that? that's a lot more valuble
it's your choice and i'm sure you've thought about it but maybe try thinking a little bit more
it's your life man, live how you want but please do not ruin it for yourself
wary kindle
i dont think usap is actually going to leave school lol
spark blaze
😝
wary kindle
pretty sure he realises now theres not really other options
spark blaze
well u never know
he seems to be on the edge, if he jumps then the decision is already made
besides, if we're being realisitc
parents🙏
theyre not letting him drop oit
thorny folio
I dont believe he can understand now. He is too young
wary kindle
theyre not letting him drop oit
100%, he said he goes to some private school as well
no way they are letting him waste their money
timid flume
would it not be easier to have someone that teaches you everything?
something like that true, but if I have someone who could give me daily tasks on topics I need to learn. I could go all my way in learning those with the informations on the web, infact I've tried something similar and wasn't bored for many hours nonstop.
but
if I do go and actually complete maths till 12th/high school
I would get 2-3 or more months from my parents
and its a merrier road then
I could do physics and chem and some English
spark blaze
something like that true, but if I have someone who could give me daily tasks on...
that's what teachers are for
they're supposed to do all that for u
timid flume
parents🙏
my parents are very very uh societal and uh care what relatives or society cares. Even though my father pretends he's new and not like that, they're simply like that and care for school and marks
but
because of that I could mend them easy enough
when they saw the email MIT gave me
they were impressed
spark blaze
you got an email from MIT? what about?
timid flume
they were impressed
so if I could agree a uni like MIT they're not gonna say no
wary kindle
how are you planning on getting accepted to mit before you finish school?
timid flume
you got an email from MIT? what about?
I told them the situation and they said I don't need a high school degree but I need to have learnt the concepts
timid flume
how are you planning on getting accepted to mit before you finish school?
because I only plan on getting after I finish school
but not like
actually finishing it on paper
spark blaze
because I only plan on getting after I finish school
whats this whole thread abt then
😭
wary kindle
whats this whole thread abt then
no one knows at this point
spark blaze
To finish school on my own
do you believe yourself capable?
urban valley
not to say you cant get into MIT but they dont really accept alot of international students
timid flume
do you believe yourself capable?
my heart believes but my brain strongly says it's improbable
spark blaze
we'll all naysayers atp shoot your shot kid
wary kindle
still worth trying your best and applying, you will gain some skills from that even if you get rejected tbf
spark blaze
if its meant to be it will be
urban valley
with that said the international students that do apply are all very good students that have completed their highschools with straight A's and have alot of extra curriculars encompassing math
spark blaze
still worth trying your best and applying, you will gain some skills from that e...
yeah you learn a lot from failure
timid flume
are you prepared for failure
I'm not really in a success at all, I'm already at failure, my marks are low, my parents don't think high of me as intellectually except they think of my brother who's going into a local uni.
what am I even gonna fail at
wary kindle
oh maybe you could look into maths competitions!!
timid flume
no
wary kindle
that would help ur future application if u can perform well too
timid flume
they're really so bad for me
spark blaze
what am I even gonna fail at
i cant understand if you overestimate or underestimate yourself
timid flume
I would fail miserably
timid flume
I have a bit of a tendency for deep thinking in things I like
spark blaze
thats sweet
urban valley
MIT loves students who participate in the IMO's so if you do want to go their you would need to start joining math competitions
timid flume
well
spark blaze
believe in urself kid but also be prepared for ur plane to get shot down
i've seen people like you who want something so badly and when they fail to get it they lose their will to live
wary kindle
i always regret not joining maths competitions when i was younger and had the chance, it wouldve been fun
urban valley
i always regret not joining maths competitions when i was younger and had the ch...
Same I regret not carrying about math when I was younger
spark blaze
competitions are fun haha but i always get mad when i lose
and i have a tendency to lose a lot so its not a good combo
timid flume
believe in urself kid but also be prepared for ur plane to get shot down
i've se...
honestly my life doesn't seem so colorful at all,
I'd just wanna try something on my own to make it a bit more fulfilled
wary kindle
honestly my life doesn't seem so colorful at all,
I'd just wanna try something ...
are you still reading textbooks?
timid flume
not that much
only books
but not textbooks
I don't like textbooks but I like learning on my own
and I can do a lot of something I like
which is why the individual topics idea
final bolt
I Like doing math problems, but dislike competition, just doing math without worrying about rankings and such is good
urban valley
I Like doing math problems, but dislike competition, just doing math without wor...
Yes this. The satisfaction you get from it is amazing
timid flume
I Like doing math problems, but dislike competition, just doing math without wor...
similar but I'm not even good at doing math problems
I don't like math but the idea of going in depth
which is why I liked physics at start
spark blaze
ive been wondering for a bit now, what are you even on here for? at the start you seemed to have some questions have they been answered
timid flume
but I learnt I need maths the hard way ( after buying a qm book)
final bolt
i don’t care if I’m good or not I just enjoy it
timid flume
ive been wondering for a bit now, what are you even on here for? at the start yo...
uh yes but
urban valley
It seems like you like the idea of being good at math but dont want to put in the work but maybe im wrong
timid flume
the answers keep bringing me deeper into the rabbit hole
at the point I'm not doing anything except arguing with y'all for weeks
but
spark blaze
uh yes but
yeah then go and jump out your window kid don't worry abt what ppl have to say here
spark blaze
at the point I'm not doing anything except arguing with y'all for weeks
weeks!? 😭how long has this been going on?
timid flume
2-3 weeks
spark blaze
jesus
timid flume
I really wanna do something
spark blaze
then go out and do it
urban valley
Why not do what pear told you to do
spark blaze
whatchu sitting here on the cord for
urban valley
he even gave you links for the books to study
timid flume
then go out and do it
but I need help
timid flume
he even gave you links for the books to study
yea he told me good
but
I won't be able to read books in the pace I'm thinking
wary kindle
are you looking for books on specific (interesting) areas of maths and physics?
spark blaze
but I need help
2-3 weeks werent enough for u to get help? whats left now?
timid flume
I won't be able to read books in the pace I'm thinking
it feels too boring doing something that isn't under your control
timid flume
are you looking for books on specific (interesting) areas of maths and physics?
no I'm not that advanced but yes
spark blaze
2-3 weeks werent enough for u to get help? whats left now?
i'm not trying to be rude btw😭im just confused genuinely
urban valley
It is though studying is completly under your control
timid flume
what I'm really looking for right now
is
someone or people to give me set of concepts (from basics till advanced) daily
spark blaze
it feels too boring doing something that isn't under your control
wait til u grow up nd then all of a sudden u dont wanna do life anymore cuz it feels so out of control
timid flume
and I go indepth about those concepts and explain them etc... Answer the questions
that way
I can do things in my control
urban valley
^
spark blaze
timid flume
Alright
spark blaze
bye kid have a lovely time studying
timid flume
so calculus was basically invented based on a Greek guy
called zeno
his idea was motion was impossible
because
spark blaze
i'll see if i can keep up with your development arc
timid flume
u needed to do half of something
to do the full of something
And to that u need half of that.. That that that
and like that motion cannot be reached
but
motion should be reached
right?
urban valley
timid flume
logically u could put an infinite number of
urban valley
do that
timid flume
lines
which are widthless
in a triangle
so that's gonna be the same as other triangles too
but
spark blaze
stop yammering and go learn!!!
timid flume
here's where the limit part comes
spark blaze
timid flume
stop yammering and go learn!!!
uhhh
wary kindle
i didnt mean explain what a limit is
spark blaze
https://tenor.com/view/laptop-gif-26065252
learn from this kitty she's learning so much so quick
wary kindle
i meant like epsilon > 0 etc....
spark blaze
what a smart kitty
timid flume
i meant like epsilon > 0 etc....
what do u want exactly
urban valley
my cat isnt educated she likes to attack me whenever i want to study
timid flume
if u dont want the definition or why is a limit
wary kindle
try to understand the formal definition of a LIMIT OF A sequence
spark blaze
my cat isnt educated she likes to attack me whenever i want to study
be a responsible parent buy her a book abt calculus
final bolt
my cat isnt educated she likes to attack me whenever i want to study
Your cat is warning you
timid flume
alright
final bolt
Very intelligent indeed
timid flume
of a limit of a sequence
ohhh alright
urban valley
No she actively attacks my monitor when i do math 😦
timid flume
so
a sequence
is when u need something
to go on repeatedly
limit in easy words is basically how many times u wanna repeat that
but to explain further
I would like to quote an example
every function starts with something right?
so
take that as n0
and u put in your mathematical function
but to actually move on to the next one
you need to define how the next will be different
for example u can put n0+1
as n1
to move on to n2
you do n1+1
but
if u notice
this forms a pattern
don't u see?
nx+1 = nx+1
where this seems same but what you're tryna say is
to move on to next number in terms of n(x)
you add 1
so
the limits come here
how many times do u wanna repeat this process?
you say 10 times
then it's limit is gonna be 10
so there's a special spirally f symbol here
where the bottom of it is 0 or the starting point of your sequence
and the top of it is how many times u wanna repeat that secuence
for example
the set of natural numbers is 0 to infinity
1,2,3,4...n+1 = (n) +1
so for example
you wanna calculate the area of a scooby dooby in a graph
it's hard for u to calculate because it's sooo uneven and distorted
but what u can do
is put in even undistorted objects which u already know to fill that
for example
u put in 5 rectangles
but u can't fit the 6th one
now what u know is that the limit is before the 6th rectangle because there can't be 6
wary kindle
ive got completely no idea what ur talking about here im ngl
this is the concept i was talking about
it might be unfamiliar or maybe too advanced for you though i now realise lol
tbh it might take you a while if you want to really understand it, but as long as you know what a sequence is and whatever it should at least be possible
wary kindle
cuteeeee
urban valley
not sure about smarter but she is a little evil
timid flume
it might be unfamiliar or maybe too advanced for you though i now realise lol
I said almost the same thing
but in simpler words with examples
spark blaze
not sure about smarter but she is a little evil
ur telling me she's evil even tho she looks so cute
i dont buy it
timid flume
I said almost the same thing
but
I understand that I'm very incapable in explaining it further
so
you'll have your detailed answer soon after I sleep and research on it
thank you:)
good night
urban valley
spark blaze
good night
whats the time for u
urban valley
Would a non evil cat activily attack me while i sleep
wary kindle
you should learn it to the point where you can use it to prove a given sequence converges
urban valley
i think not
spark blaze
i would die for her
wary kindle
maybe watch some youtube videos
urban valley
therefore she is banished to the realm of calculus
spark blaze
Would a non evil cat activily attack me while i sleep
maybe ur the evil one and she's the one trying to stop you
spark blaze
therefore she is banished to the realm of calculus
💔💔💔💔
wary kindle
Would a non evil cat activily attack me while i sleep
cats sometimes worry you are dead when you sleep for too long
urban valley
you might be onto something but id reather pin the blame on her
spark blaze
cats sometimes worry you are dead when you sleep for too long
i sometimes worry mine's dead too coz shes sleeping all the time
oh my god speaking of sleeping😭every night i tell myself im gonna sleep early then boom it's 4am and i need a cigarette
urban valley
cats sometimes worry you are dead when you sleep for too long
she sleeps on top of my head when im sleeping i think shes just trying to take me out
spark blaze
she sleeps on top of my head when im sleeping i think shes just trying to take m...
advanced warfare
urban valley
she sounds like 50 million bullets. Its like she have a V8 engine inside of her
wary kindle
cutee
urban valley
thats what she does. She threw my cup of water on the floor but i cant do anything she looks innocent
timid flume
.
drifting wasp
We need Mass ping when
timid flume
GUYS
I THINK I'M ONTO SOMETHING
I think I can calculate the amount of happiness in the world
final bolt
I think I can calculate the amount of happiness in the world
Wdym?
buoyant verge
I think I can calculate the amount of happiness in the world
ur on something
timid flume
Wdym?
so
here's the equation
what it really means is
first - it's fancy
next so
you see the LHS of the first equation
there's a bunch of this '>'
and in there
H reads happiness
and the Y reads your
your happiness!
I'll tell u about the crossed triangle later
First let's talk about the modified summation symbol
below that symbol, u see a Greek alphabet + pi right?
what the first Greek alphabet in that (aka the crossed out 'ø') means is
The happy thoughts we have
for example,
you go to a mall
your father says he will buy you anything you want
so you think
" Oh my father loves me yay "
that's what I consider a happy thought
now, that's the first Greek symbol below the modified summation symbol.
but why did I say "+ pi "?
so what pi really means
is the happy events
timid flume
your father says he will buy you anything you want
for example, in this when you get a toy and your father pays for it in the counter and you get a toy or a food and you enjoy it there
that's what I consider a happy event
so the down part of the summation symbol
is happy thoughts + happy events
but where do you concour these things?
that's where the modified summation comes
what it means that " All the down parts OF the up part are added "
now that u know what that means
timid flume
you see a fork symbol up that right?
what it refers to is the events that happened around throughout your life
that is from the birth to your current present
all the events including thoughts*
so
now that u understand the down part and the up part and the modified summation symbol
let me tell another part
so naturally this should be the total happiness right?
but no, why?
because when you're born the first few years aren't really something you can " Feel "
so happiness even though exists, doesn't matter there or isn't conscious
so
for that
I invent a new symbol called lambda
what lambda means is " An age where you are mentally mature enough to realize happiness "
it's not something like when you're 60 u understand the true meaning of life
it's more like, when you're 5 you ask for ice cream and lick it while eating it. i.e you actually understand you want something and that makes u feel nice
so
now u understand lambda
but why did it come here?
because
for u to experience a happy event
buoyant verge
🙂
timid flume
you need to know it is happy for you, or u need to know it is happy for you after it happens
so that's why
pi starts at lambda
that's what the up '>' symbol means
That happy events form when you are matured enough to realize that, when that happens or is about to happen
but
why is the other Greek symbol ø not that?
because
thoughts u can think anytime
you might remember something when you were very small
but u might not actually realize that event when u WERE small
so that is why
I wrote ø starts at forky-greek symbol >
the forky Greek symbol means the events and thoughts in your lifetime
so it really starts when you come into this world
but it's not necessarily everything, more like everything u can think and remember of
so, we can say actually event expiriencing happiness starts at a concrete level
but the thinking and memory of those can be at a more abstract level i.e when you're smaller than the concrete level matureness begining
timid flume
that's what that means
so now u know the first equation
you can know the second one
but Before I explain u what it is
Let me tell you why it is
so the thin line difference arises over here
you have happy thoughts
okay
but
are they the same
as what u consider happy after an event?
let me tell it more clearly
you can sure think of " Oh my father loves me " And feel happy
but is it the same as " my school days were so memorable and happy even though I faced a lot of suffering "
now
we enter a thin line difference
that does count as thoughts of a happiness if u feel happy after having that thought.
but
what I'm trying to say is what you consider happy at end
you may consider sad things sometimes happy too, with something called nostalgia