#permutation matrices

44 messages · Page 1 of 1 (latest)

leaden acornBOT
#
  1. Do not ping the Moderators, unless someone is breaking the rules.
  2. Do not ping the Helper Moderators, unless there is a conflict between helpers.
  3. Do not ping other members randomly for help.
  4. Ask your question and show the work you've done so far. If you've posted a screenshot of a question, specify which part you need help with.
  5. Wait patiently for a helper to come along.
  6. If the Helper has answered your question, remember to thank them with the Mathematics Ranks bot and close the thread with:

+close
Feel free to nominate the person for helper of the week in #helper-nominations
If you're happy with the help you got here, and the server overall, you can contribute financially as well:

spark tendon
#

if $(e_i){1 \le i \le p}$ is the canonical basis of $\bR^{p}$ what is $A{\sigma} e_i$ ? $\forall \sigma \in S_p, \forall i \in {1,…,p}$

tawdry thornBOT
#

😑 ɿototoЯ | Rototor 😑

spark tendon
#

you can also try expressing the coefficients of $A_{\sigma}$ using the kronecker delta notation

tawdry thornBOT
#

😑 ɿototoЯ | Rototor 😑

spark tendon
#

For any permutation $\sigma$

tawdry thornBOT
#

😑 ɿototoЯ | Rototor 😑

dry sundial
#

We didn't have the kronecker delta notation in the lecture, which is why we are not allowed to use it. Regarding your other suggestion. A_σ is the unit matrix, but with swapped rows, so that A_σ has a 1 in the 𝜎(i)-th position and a zero otherwise. However, I don't know exactly how I can deduce Aσ - Aτ = A_σ◦τ and, above all, how this can be written down formally / mathematically.

spark tendon
tawdry thornBOT
#

😑 ɿototoЯ | Rototor 😑
Compile Error! Click the errors reaction for more information.
(You may edit your message to recompile.)

spark tendon
#

$A_{\sigma} A_{\tau}=A_{\sigma \circ \tau}$ if and only if $\forall i \in {1,…,p}, A_{\sigma} A_{\tau} e_i=A_{\sigma \circ \tau} e_i$

tawdry thornBOT
#

😑 ɿototoЯ | Rototor 😑

spark tendon
#

a linear map is uniquely determined by its image for each element of the basis

#

@dry sundial

spark tendon
dry sundial
#

Does e_i mean the unit vector, in other words a vector that has a 1 in the i-th position and a 0 in the remaining positions?

spark tendon
spark tendon
#

I proposed to do it with the canonical basis but you can also show that if $x=(x_1,….,x_p)$ then $A_{\sigma} x=(x_{\sigma(1)},….,x_{\sigma(p)})$

tawdry thornBOT
#

😑 ɿototoЯ | Rototor 😑

dry sundial
#

Can I send my proof and you tell me if I've done something wrong?

spark tendon
#

Yeah go right ahead

dry sundial
#

The light blue one says that e_i only has a 1 at the i-th position and a 0 otherwise, from which it follows that only if j=i, the multiplication is not 0.
The green one says that E_σ has a 1 at σ(i), i has a 0 otherwise and e_i has a 1 only at i, from which it follows that the multiplication results in a single-column matrix that is not equal to 0 only at σ(i), consequently e_σ(i).

#

Behauptung, Beweis = Assertion, proof

#

@spark tendon

#

Are you still online?

spark tendon
#

Yeah sorry I was eating

dry sundial
#

No problem. I was just wondering why there was no answer.

spark tendon
#

Looks good

spark tendon
#

At the beginning of your proof

dry sundial
#

What exactly would you explain? Why I calculate A_σ*e_i or do you mean something else?

spark tendon
dry sundial
#

Something like that, and if so, where would you best insert that into the proof.

spark tendon
#

Right before $A_{\sigma} e_i=e_{\sigma(i)}$ me thinks

tawdry thornBOT
#

😑 ɿototoЯ | Rototor 😑

dry sundial
#

Ok, thanks thanks thanks thanks. You really helped me a lot.

#

+close

grand compassBOT
# dry sundial +close
Do you still want to close your help request?

No eligible helpers were found in this thread. You can still close this post if you don't require helper any longer.

spark tendon
#

You are very welcome

grand compassBOT
# grand compass
<:closed:1306624376028004362> | Help Request Closed

This post has been closed and archived. Thank you for using our help system!

hoary radish
#

@dry sundial here