Hear me out...
I know that Heisenbergs uncertainty principle tells that one can not accurately measure the velocity and the location of a particle at the same time. A particle tho has a certain velocity and location at any given point in time. From which i take the leap that every particle has a certain velocity and location at any given point in time. This would further mean that everything that happens is already predetermined and can not be influenced.
We can not predict the future as Heisenberg reasoned, which does not mean that the future is not already set.
This is what I think is kind of the case. Can this be disproven? Would welcome any thoughts on this
#unmeasurable deterministic universe
severe scaffold
glossy cedar
how do you apply that reasoning to something like scattering?
you can only know the probability of an outcome, but not the outcome in a given experiment
you take a second leap when you claim this:
" This would further mean that everything that happens is already predetermined and can not be influenced"
the HUP is precisely an antithesis to newtonian-time determinism : the conjecture that if one knew any particle's position and momentum at the same time, then the entire universe could be predicted (whatever this means) and consequently, the entire past would be known
the HUP implies that the nature of the universe is probabilistic
severe scaffold
how do you apply that reasoning to something like scattering?
We could not really apply my reasoning, because we do not know velocity and location of particles. Therefore we would still need the probilistic approach for that. Quantum mechanics restricts our ability to measure both exactly, tho our inability to measure those values does not mean that these things do not have a ceratin value.
Its like the theory of the infinitly typing ape, where if he types for an infinite amount of time we will at some point see that he wrote down all of human history. Even tho we know that the ape would eventually type this and much more we still can not utilise the knowledge of this process because first it would need way too much time and secondly we would not even be able to verify it
glossy cedar
except QM phenomena are experimentally verifiable whereas the infinite monkey stuff is not
for the record, please don't just lump together some fancy sounding ideas even if they make sense in your head
that is what science cranks do
and it's a sad sight
and a waste of time
severe scaffold
the HUP is precisely an antithesis to newtonian-time determinism : the conjectur...
if i got it right, the HUP says that there is a limit of how much we can know, and then me again -> that does not mean the information does not exist
glossy cedar
more precisely, there is a limit to the precision to which you might know both position and momentum of a given particle
and the lower bound is proportional to the Planck constant iirc
severe scaffold
for the record, please don't just lump together some fancy sounding ideas even i...
yeah... to be honest i do not have a physics background or anything, only had that idea and wanted to talk about it with someone who knows some shit xP
glossy cedar
your interest in the topic is welcome of course
but if you want to synthesise some credible interpretation of the theory, you have to understand the basics of the theory
severe scaffold
and the lower bound is proportional to the Planck constant iirc
what is the upper bound for knowing both properties?
glossy cedar
otherwise the discussion degenerates to criticising the inaccuracies of one's interpretation
severe scaffold
yeah i know, but I was kinda prepared for that to be honest. this might help me understand things better which i understood the wrong way, or something like that. '^^
glossy cedar
well they'll welcome you with open arms in some philosophy groups 
the only suggestion I have is if you're really interested in the topic, then learn it from the basics
there are no shortcuts 😦
I'm not a physicist either, but it took me about 30 minutes to read about the HUP and some basic QM to know enough to counter your points