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oblique drift
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I am stuck on second step which is
-5<floor(|x|-7)<5

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quartz maple
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so -4≤floor(|x|-7)≤4
-4≤|x|-7<5

jolly heart
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apply definition of floor

oblique drift
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i know the definition

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x-1<floor(x)<=x

jolly heart
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break it up into smaller pieces

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$$ -5 < [|x|-7] < 5 $$

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jolly heart
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now the floor can be anything from -4, -3, .., 3, 4

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suppose floor is 4, then

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$$ 4\leqslant |x|-7<5 \Leftrightarrow 11\leqslant |x|<12$$

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jolly heart
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x in (-12,-11] or [11,12)

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now do similarly for other options

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and take union at the end

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@oblique drift@fossil vine

fossil vine
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Actually in my mind i only see floor like this form
x-1<floor(x)<=x

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(-5<-4<-3<-2<-1<0<1<2<3)<[|x|-7]<=4

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@jolly heart

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Can It equal with 3?

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This part is still confusing

jolly heart
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the floor of a number is an integer

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you can read this part as

"any integer in (-5,5)"

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what is the confusion here?

fossil vine
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How you made -5 as 4

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Or maybe-4

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Why not changing 5

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In the definition the equal sign is right side

jolly heart
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do you understand what the definition says?

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x is some number, could be an integer, rational, anything

the floor of x is the integer part of x, the floor of x can never exceed x

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neither can it fall to or below x-1

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that is precisely what the def tells you

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so if you had something like

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$$ 1<[x]\leqslant 2 $$

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jolly heart
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this implies [x]=2 (because it has to be an integer) which then means that x can be anything in [2,3)

oblique drift
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and i understand it

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but in our question it is big interval

jolly heart
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again, it's an integer in the interval (-5,5)

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it can't be -5 or 5

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but it can be any integer in between

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and it's a completely valid tactic to look through them one by one and find the respective domains for the x

fossil vine
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Can you take inequality right side?

jolly heart
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that's fine, still the same problem

fossil vine
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@jolly heart

jolly heart
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nope cant do that

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now you lose solutions

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the floor of the number can be 4

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which means the number itself can still be somewhere in [4,5)

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this is not allowed

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you must have this

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if you let |x|-7 = -4.5, then what is its floor?

jolly heart
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and is that allowed?

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you can write -4 <= |x|-7 < 5

fossil vine
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It is not allowed

fossil vine
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I can write equal sign right side no?

jolly heart
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that would only allow =4 and nothing else

oblique drift
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i understood the problem which i was thinking

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left side floor can be mistake so we removed the part (-5,-4) because in these values we will get -5 which makes wrong our equlity

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but right side if we choose any values from (4,5) we will get only 4 by floor so we can stay with <5

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this is the reason I have felt across

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@jolly heart

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-4<=|x|-7<5
3<=|x|<12

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(-12,3]U[3,12)

jolly heart
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that is correct

fossil vine
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+close

quartz maple
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you’re not the OP

fossil vine
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Opps it's me

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Lol

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@quartz maple

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My second account

quartz maple
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then get your second account to close it

fossil vine
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+close

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Lol

jolly heart
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you have to close on @oblique drift

oblique drift
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+close