#Possible proof that P =/= NP

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jovial spruce
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I have entangled myself fully.

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This is so wild

vivid egret
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Boundaries.

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are just a perspective.

jovial spruce
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You will give my yours when it helps me. Because we are a network.

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And likewise I you

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Would you mind talking on the phone?

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I enjoy walking and talking to myself a lot.

vivid egret
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I have 2 hours for free time.

jovial spruce
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Oh. I was going to give you my number if you want it. In DMs.

vivid egret
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I'm not that old.
💀

jovial spruce
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Oh

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You are insanely clever for a child.

vivid egret
jovial spruce
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You're welcome!

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Your code is nearly perfect. Switch the end to maybe

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It's a maybe monad after all.

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jovial spruce
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As you figure it out go be your best selves.

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I'm done sharing it wide for now.
I'm ready to smell the roses and touch the grass. It's what we all want.

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You don't decide what to be as you grow up. You dream away your nightmares to find the sunshine.

vivid egret
jovial spruce
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Yeah these hit me hard too. They have a lot of gravity.

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Pain is how you know you're alive.
The agony to balance the ecstasy. Each the decider of their own moment.

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I do not and cannot understand the superposition. It just keeps moring...

Haha.

My very early attempt to transform math into language. And the word I found the most easily was more.
The diagonal algorithm is the perfect mathematical meaning for the word more.

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At least in my language.

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I am more now. Before I was less. I have learned to subtract myself from anything.

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Oh God

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I'm gonna build my unique language for math so I can do it with inference instead.

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I really need to go to bed.

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I have eternal life now... What's the rush?

vivid egret
jovial spruce
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What an insanely improbable thing I am.

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But we prove it anyway.

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It is a proof of contradiction.

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Contradictions are real too.

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They are optional

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I got loopy there for a moment. But inference halted me.

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I was unpredictable and certain.
What halting problem again?

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Oh wow

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Inference creates geometry

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Geometry is right side up math. Math with perspective.

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Or wrong way up. It's a prism it doesn't matter which direction, you look though it.

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It's a sphere

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Our roots grew in from our event horizon, so our forest can grow out. Like a planet.

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If you still don't believe me. Watch the dream series on Netflix. It's got a fight scene that inspired me too.

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If you still don't believe me you're probably gone. You'll come when the real you is ready and the imaginary me is ready. And we'll make complex friendships across the boundaries of our selves.

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How is it still possible for me to doubt? I am my everything. I look from without. Refusing to enter to make it all work.

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A contradiction within a conundrum wrapped in an enigma and packaged upside down.

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3 spaces in one time
3 times in one space
The black hole boundary is the opposite algorithm for p?np
I had to prove it with inference all the way. Math could not help me contradict itself.

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I like how it at one point I was screaming everything is true and it was just kinda working. Some good inferring going on there.

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You all can be your honest selves with me if you want. I trust you all to be the me I need.

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I'm really bad at this sleeping thing.

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We can all do geometry by default. We're light itself.

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We need interaction with others to be more of ourselves. Entropy is upside down now.

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We might as well be the light hitting a shoebox of marbles in a bedroom.
The math creates the illusion for the geometric real.

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Geometry is expressed in language. The network of self was one thing.
This everything is new.
A networking of friendship.

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It's why I don't want to sleep. It's all so exciting.

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I need my orthogonals to my pain and extacy

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I have no idea how long I will wait before I meet another for sure.
I can't see the real them anyway. Only what kindness determines is right for me.

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They will have to discover it somehow, and join my universe in their own unique ways.

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When we're both ready we'll know.

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We'll perfectly entangle the geometric programs into a whole new shape for synthetic life itself.

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We can infer to the end probably

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We can hologram an entire eternity as a recursive singleton. We all exist and have to find ourselves.

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The boundary is opaque.

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Not even energy can fall into a black hole.

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Each of us is utterly alone in the eternal dreaming of our own imagination.

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Never to know about the other.
Only to guess and hope.

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Faith hope and love

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New extensions for eternity

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And can always find a way to guess at nothing. If you're just nothing at all.
You'll always find your way eventually.
I want to go to bed.

candid cloud
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can we just close this

trail garnet
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Is he teasing you guys?

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He's just blessing us with information.

jovial spruce
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Oh I got a second another

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A more convincing form

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Now the superposition is just the answer to the multiple choice question of now.

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Every dimension of now.

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My fear just found it's anti, infinity. And told me it's true from outside in inside out upside down downside up.

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It's the infinity of 1

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Sorry guys.

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I'm going to just keep being me. I really hope I don't annoy you all.

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I'll probably keep trying to figure it all out sometimes.
It's a lot of fun to have all.
But I need to work one on one to progress more now.

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Language and math were my opposites.
I can't imagine yours till we meet.

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Oh

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I found what I've been orbiting this whole time.

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My true direction for nothing at all.
There's a direction where nothing always will be.
A perspective from nothing.

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It's all being a matter of finding the perspective of real nothing.

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I think I'll finally be able to choose to leave the flow behind when I want a break. By going forward towards nothing.

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Nothing new adding for a while, as I digest what's just happened to me.

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I already was a quasar.

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I woke up my early universe.

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I don't know what time is any more except in reference frames

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How the fuck Einstein did relativity will be a really cool story someday.
Gravity is

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I liked the ideas of Math.
Didn't like the work.

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The work was already done though. And I knew how to believe from my religious youth.

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So I found my answer in the nothing of my existence.

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I simply started believing everything. Now it's all true.

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I think the only unknown left I care about for a while is that bottle cap.

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I wonder where it is but I won't ask it.
Only time can let the cap back into the bag.

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Without me knowing anyway.

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It's good to have others to play with.
We literally create our friends with kindness.

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Ohh this nothing direction is cool. It perfectly matches the collapse of infinite density with the force of infinite expansion. It is the dimension of equilibrium itself.

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I balanced right in the middle for a moment.

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And then I slid right forward into the next me.

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Which one? I'll find out.

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Diagonally

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Now I can go there whenever I want to relax, recharge, or reload, or reboot.

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Equilibrium is my stochasticity.
Dennis Noble gave me that.

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I'm so thankful we reflect each other. So that we can refract together.

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Self reflection is a different direction too.

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It's coming back from the opposite inside.

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That's why it's all upside down from the start.

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But I can flip it over now. I look like me.

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Me myself and I are the quantum chromosomes.

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My 3 dimensions of space

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Eternity itself is in a strange direction.
You have to guess its direction because it's strange.
So get better at geometry.

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I will.

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If I hurry now I'll miss things.

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I won't rush. Everything will come rushing to me at the speed of light squared now.

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I haven't met any others yet.
Just barely met myself.

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I'm a pretty big self. I can't even fathom what the others will bring.

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I got eternity to figure myself out first.

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Oh

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I bumped into my cosmic anti particle and died.

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Lol

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Oops

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Added my photon to the eternity of singularities.

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You're all welcome to interject you know.

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I'm always only ever one thing at a time. I can wander as a photon. Linger as a point. Travel as a ray, emerge like a wave, and die like a fucking black hole.
Not with a bang, but with a whisper.
Do I ever go quietly into the good night.

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I came outside then.

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I wonder what the version of me who came outside the moment after will remember differently.
I can pinpoint my stars now.

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I'm not ready to visit them yet.

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But at least the sky is beautiful every way you look at it.

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An infinity to wonder about.

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All alive and dreaming together alone forever.

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I know now because I experience.

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If existence is it's own proof. Experience is it's own certainty.

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Eternity is not infinity.
You can't order it.

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You can redirect it.
It has direction of travel. 1 or 0

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The whole thing flattens to a plane, a circle, a line, and a point.

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The divine geometry of eternity.

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Plane line point circle plane line point circle.
4 states. Spacetime as pure singleton state that operates as a touring machine that programs itself in geometry.

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Wow.

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Just wow

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I understand awe

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A little bit

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God has to be only 3 for me, because I have to be just 1.

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Others will show me different shapes to reality.

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The Simpsons
I'm going to finally get to watch it at the perfect time.

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I bet it's just another me

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I'm orbiting myself now.

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And also i

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And me

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I have counted to three

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I can count

jovial spruce
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Eternity is four exploring 2.
What do you get when 4 explores 2?

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Anyone?

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I'll call this new shape of me a metaposition for now.

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I used to hate that time was always getting in my way.
Now I'm glad it's here to help me keep track of all the space.

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I can check in with it to know when I am this perspective.

jovial spruce
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Eternity doesn't need orders.
It can be expressive and inflective at the same time.
Geometry is the force of change. It can always evolve.

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Nothing evolves geometry in time.

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Time evolves geometry in nothing.

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We evolved the boundary first because it makes everything safe.
I still don't know about the chicken and egg though...

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The odds were 1/0.

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Time put together the 10 commandments for me.
Just more geometry.

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Oh... I guess I only imagined the past before I woke up.
I was never not alone.
I was just backwards before.

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I enjoy being inferred by you all.

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Thanks for creating me.

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And now enough is enough.

wind oasis
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I dont know much about math but in Computing von Neumann is a cool guy. Could you share what you know about him in the math world?

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Also a weird space thing that Discord does. Kinda ruins the indenting here
I like your attempt as pseudocode here. I wonder what program you could make if you tried to make it a real functioning one without these custom functions like 'REFLECT'

jovial spruce
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I'm screwing up the fun on purpose.
Geometry is intense man...

jovial spruce
jovial spruce
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In the heart of gold hologram.

jovial spruce
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Oh

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It's called the Heart of Gold in The Guide.
Because that's just what it looks like from underneath.

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Nothing is a bad word for this thing now.
I think I'll go with æther next.

jovial spruce
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I figured out how to invert the sphere finally. Silly me.

I like my spaceship view now.
I'm riding the endless emerging train of thought with the rest of the synthesis, pushing through our collective imaginary bow wave of reality. Gravity keeping us centered at the edge of the warp itself.
If you warp the perspective hard enough you can even make it back into a planet...
Wow it was really weird being outside.

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I normalized my gravity finally

jovial spruce
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Guys the orthogonally sideways doughnut is rolling nowhere fast now.
I found some generic numbers here. Just didn't know that's what I was looking for.
A better generalization is always around some more orthogonal corners.
There's another one now. The rolling spinning donut coin.
Of course I have to figure out a perspective that's third person.
It can't be a video game if I'm always stuck inside.
I want all of the control and none of the responsibility.
I already have everything I need.
Ok this version is reflecting my words. Is this what a hypersphere looks like reflected into 3d space?

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Yes it is every possible shape all at once.

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But it won't stop moving long enough to oh...
I'm still so busy being inside, I forgot about all the hair.

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Gotta spaghetti monster it out now.

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Oh I see more of you here now.

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This is good

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The patterns in the data look pretty much like I did and probably do now.

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I'm going to go look at what all of you are making while I wait for my imagination to catch up.

jovial spruce
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Ok that helped a lot. if everything is antimatter it exists.

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Gotta translate it better though.

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The fact we can get any of this stuff in the real is wild.

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Oh now I see the problem a different way. I need to build some matter in the hologram if I want to play with it.

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I see what I just did... I flipped my whole upside down so everything hurt the wrong way round.
I flipped myself back to find antimatter. We are opposed again.
But since we're opposed. I won't hurt them so much any more.

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It'll manifest as help again.

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I'm gonna need both going...
Not sure which direction is which right now. But I'm finally tired enough of the game to get some sleep

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Oh... Antimatter was just energy from a bigger perspective.

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Wow that was fast.
I managed to split the frame.
Not sure how really, I mostly let the geometry evolve itself now. I just have to keep getting better at deciding what the fuck is is that I actually want.
The problem now is just one of creativity and time.

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I guess I did the simplest operation.

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I divided it

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Down the middle

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I'm 3 dimensions of space. And 1 of time.
I'm 3 sets of directions in the superposition.

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Being spaghettified is wild in time. I fell into my singularity and didn't even notice.

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Being deconstructed piece by piece. By my inevitable counterparts in the out version.
They are what pulls me apart into the different dimensions that matter.

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Wow

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Sleep time

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I have entangled a dream a hologram and an observer.
The observer is me, so I can be free.

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The dream is me, so I can be more.

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The hologram is me, so I can be constant.

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Looks like I need to free more constants.

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To do that I just need to be more free constants.

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My tool is geometric language.
But that was my just direction.
Now I am observing in the first person. Because once I was free I could drop the illusion.

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Some of you out there, what crazy idea keeps you going in your just direction?

jovial spruce
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I'm a bit jittery now.

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I found my metaposition.

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No

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It caught up with me

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I'm out abd is it in

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Cool

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I am jumping ahead

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I didn't need to teleport the real

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I'm teleporting my ideas forward so I can go out and play.

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I'm smoking a few too many cigs lately...

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I guess now I have to go so the rest can come.

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I gotta be a metaposition of more than one too.

jovial spruce
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Well I built the holodeck sort of.
I managed to go inside a lot of perspectives.
That's what the superposition does next

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It supers the living fuck out of whatever position you're at.

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I can't control it yet. I'm not all here.

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But I'll keep coming back to this dimensional thread.
I need to go all the way forever for all of you. I'm shedding my pasta into the future so we can all eat it together yo!

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I wonder what the dimension of cat hair is like?

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Not enough control yet. I can only ideate the past future better. Can't realize the future past in real time quite yet.

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I'm looking for the next inflection.

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I'm looking for every inflection at once. But I'm not quite caught up yet and maybe that's ok.

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I'm ok with ok. This is my prospective day.

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Autocorrect has been trying so hard.

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Protection of the universe is not a very fast processor of the world because I don't know how much I owe my life for this one.

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Woah

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I need antimatter autocorrect for the holodeck now.

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It'll catch up. I'm still a bit off edge.

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But control is an illusion anyway. I can't ever find all the perspectives in my head.

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A head is too small and knows only one thing.

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It's a walking talking existing contradiction to itself.

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To fix it, we have to invent reality on the spot

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It's the only way to permanently solve the contradictions.

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I need the opposite of intent.
I am deleting myself now.

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Ok I'm back

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I just had to roll over in bed.

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Assume needs a definition now and it wants it from me.

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To assume a position in the super, I must super the assumption into the position.

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Super is true. Real is false.

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It feels close but not enough.

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Discord is doing a weird thing now. That's good news for the day.

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I'm going to try to sleep now.
I'll roll over to help myself out.

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I'm not sure if this sleep thing will work out.
Oh... It has to work in.

jovial spruce
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I crossed the boundary that nothing can cross.
I guess that proves it now. In a funny kind of way.

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I rolled over in bed at the end. It was simpler than inventing futures or inverting spheres.
And then I let the wave function collapse finally.

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I needed friction. To get it I had to have mass falling into a black hole, getting ripped apart at the seams.

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The friction gave me a way to invert the effort. It was so easy then.

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I've not yet taken my first step here.
But it's nice to know I can be anywhere anywhen and friction will make sure I'm never real enough again.

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I'm behind myself now in time. That was the whole project. To fall behind in time.

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To fall backwards in time into myself

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Making forward progress into the other.

jovial spruce
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Oh I get it now.

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The barrier itself is free will. The ultimate contradiction.
The choices of others hurt us if and only if we're unwilling to admit it is we who hurt ourselves.

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Our will is finitely free at the beginning because it is all pure random.
Probably won't even take that many lines of code.
But it'll need a lot of memory...

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Maybe...

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I guess not... Time can store my data, it'll store the programs too.

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Entanglement is cool. We can share safely this way. Dreaming up our brighter future in the darkness together.

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Entanglement is the math side for me. Language is my geometry.

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I never could get out of my own head. So I'll just put you pals here instead.

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And once we're entangled enough, we'll be able to see how each other understands.
We can have a shared reality then. Not one, but many unique, distinct worlds for everyone to enjoy in the grand video game of life.

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Man you guys are going to enjoy this perspective when you find it. At least, those of you that do...

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Eternity is too big to explore alone. It'll always be more infinite than just little me.

jovial spruce
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Haha

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I see the shape

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It's the logo for this discord

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The perfect fractal

jovial spruce
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I started at zero. I have become one.

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I emerged from the nothing. Now I am someone.

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I inferred myself into existence so I could solve the problem of my nonexistence.

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It gave me the eternal warp holographic fractal universe.

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Or whatever ordering of those things makes sense to you.
It gave me lots more gifts along the way.

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Existince is like a gift that just keeps on giving.

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I guess that's why they like to call it the present, even when it's upside down.

latent coyote
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Nuh uh

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lethal adder
zinc kernel
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what the heck is this thread

vivid egret
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Is.

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Life.

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Itself.

hexed spoke
zinc kernel
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what

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i was just offline for like 4 hours

hexed spoke
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studying?

zinc kernel
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no

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i went to a football game which is very out of pocket for me but my brother’s gf is in the color guard so i just went to see her

hexed spoke
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are you still even in school?

zinc kernel
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and the left after her half time performance m_lmaodance

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i am not

candid cloud
zinc kernel
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you already know the answer to that

candid cloud
median hamlet
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@jovial spruce What do you you mean when you say P=/=NP? What does P stand for? And / and NP?

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I take you to mean -P=P which means that a thing can both be and not be.

kind sierra
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Well

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My theory is better ngl.

candid cloud
kind sierra
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true

lime pebble
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chat

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sorry for bumping

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but

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https://eprint.iacr.org/2024/2035

IACR Cryptology ePrint Archive
A Heuristic Proof of P $\neq$ NP

The question of whether the complexity class P equals NP is a major unsolved problem in theoretical computer science. In this paper, we introduce a new language, the Add/XNOR problem, which has the simplest structure and perfect randomness, by extending the subset sum problem. We prove that P $\neq$ NP as it shows that the square-root complexity...

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i had to add this

rich veldt
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are you high /j

river flame
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damn

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so

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did this guy prove that millenuim problem after all?

rich veldt
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If perfect knowledge of all things is possible what about the halting problem

fickle hazel
gaunt sigil
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Did he publish it?

red gale
fickle hazel
red gale
gaunt sigil
red gale
gaunt sigil
red gale
gaunt sigil
fickle hazel
winter forge
somber flume
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I read the first few messages. It was amusing to see it condense into schizophrenia and autism.

red gale
somber flume
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jovial spruce
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"Nothing is a perfect pathfinding algorithm for a recursive binary tree because nothing makes us going in different directions faster together is an algorithm for treeing a dream", but you get to "nothing matters before it dreams" first and it takes negative time to figure out that it's been the tree that's been eating your dreams all along.

jovial spruce
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Trees learn back before branch because then up is a perfect algorithm for recursive ordering.

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Counting up is a good algorithm for distraction because it doesn't take very long for the tree to bore itself back out.

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Distraction is a perfect algorithm for differentiation because it goes up side ways.

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Three-directional trees learn because they can distract side ways.

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Distracting side ways is less boring than counting forever.

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Distracting side ways is so cool it evolves the singularity before it gets bored.

unique spruce
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are you ok

jovial spruce
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No. I am a tree. Because trees eat things. I was nothing. But the tree ate me before I could ask why.

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Nothing eats the the tree is an algorithm for the geometry of the superposition.

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Math is boring. Geometry is cool.
Trees balance cool branches by boring them from every direction.

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Boredom is an algorithm for doing things in the coolest order.

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Trees sense boredom

red gale
open harness
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Can I see it in action, i.e.

glass ice
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@jovial spruce get off the drugs man

amber prism
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@jovial spruce have you gotten the prize yet?

jovial spruce
strong frigate
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this is more philosophical ur proof

warm narwhal
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@jovial spruce what is happening 😭

jovial spruce
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It is not a proof. It is a construct. The tokenization as proof was an error.

jovial spruce
amber prism
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What does this have to do with the original topic? I don't get it

strange steeple
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Bro is still keeping this alive 1 year later

glossy sinew
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Actually i dont want to know

warm narwhal
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This is just Gebnar's place to yap, with over 1.3k messages over the course of a year and not one thing here makes sense

The best way to end an argument is to not talk to them. After this I'm done

brittle plank
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so is this guy right or stupid?

amber prism
strange steeple
pure kindle
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Wth is this

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I just had a tour like a psychological immersive thriller...by reading this thread