#Augmented matrix

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solemn sparrow
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i couldn't solve this beyond (b)

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solemn sparrow
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this is my work

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i couldn't solve this any further

rain glade
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Hint: look at the last row

solemn sparrow
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yeah ?

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w8

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give me a sec

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let me think

rain glade
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Notice how in this form:
$\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0 & -5 \
0 & \lambda & -3\
0 & 0 & a
\end{pmatrix}\cdot
\begin{pmatrix}
x\
y\
z
\end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix}
C_1\
C_2\
C_3
\end{pmatrix}$

quartz palmBOT
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Lumberdude #LeaveWolfAsHeIs

solemn sparrow
rain glade
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It's the entry you had there

solemn sparrow
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okay

rain glade
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What does the matrix having just one entry on the bottom row mean?

solemn sparrow
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(z)(a) = C

rain glade
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Exactly

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So when would that not give an actual solution?

solemn sparrow
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(z)(a) ! = C

rain glade
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When is that the case?

solemn sparrow
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evey other case than (z)(a) = C

rain glade
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Hmmmm

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Z is the variable in this case right?

solemn sparrow
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yes

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a is the constant

rain glade
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So z =c/a is a solution

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What happens if either of these constants is zero?

solemn sparrow
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undefined

rain glade
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So that means that?

solemn sparrow
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there is no solution

rain glade
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Perfect!

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Which one has to be zero for that to be the case?

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And what happens if both are zero?

solemn sparrow
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the denominator

solemn sparrow
rain glade
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Are you sure? 0*z=0

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For what z is that true?

solemn sparrow
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all

rain glade
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Exactly, so infinitely many z satisfy this condition

solemn sparrow
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okay i did the algebra

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i can't find a real lambda

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i can't factor it

rain glade
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Give me one second

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I will try to see if your work is correct so far

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Your top row is incorrect

solemn sparrow
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really

rain glade
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So the rest will probably be incorrect too

solemn sparrow
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okay

rain glade
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Yeah it should equal -4 not -6

solemn sparrow
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oh

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you are right

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😭

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i didn't notice that

rain glade
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That's ok, you noticed that Vinland saga is goated at least

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These kind of mistakes will always happen!

solemn sparrow
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yeah i think i can do it now

rain glade
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I got the solution for "no real solution" and for "infinitely many"

solemn sparrow
rain glade
rain glade
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Sleep deprivation can do you in

solemn sparrow
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found the values for no solutions

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-2 and -3

rain glade
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Are you sure those are both yielding no solutions?

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Hint, check the last row

solemn sparrow
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let me post my new augmented matrix

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actually -2 gives us infinite solutions

rain glade
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Yes!

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And -3?

solemn sparrow
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-3 doesn't

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0 != -3

rain glade
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Good, I agree

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Ok so we determined for what lambda we get no solution and for what lambda we get infinite solutions.

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When is there exactly one solution?

solemn sparrow
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lambda != 0 and lambda = C

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3

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3 gives a unique solution

rain glade
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Are there more numbers for which this true?

solemn sparrow
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i guess -2 ?

rain glade
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Didn't you determine that -2 yielded infinitely many solutions?

solemn sparrow
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yeah

rain glade
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So that can't be one that yields only one solution, right?

solemn sparrow
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other than 3 idk

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excuse my shitty handwriting

rain glade
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Huh, didn't you say -3 and -2?

solemn sparrow
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-3 yields no solutions

rain glade
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What is this exactly?

solemn sparrow
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i set the bottom last row (z coeffecient) to equal C

rain glade
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And C was?

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Is that the bottom entry in the constant vector?

solemn sparrow
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fourth column bottom row

rain glade
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So you're saying c*z=c gives not exactly one solution?

solemn sparrow
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i guess

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i think i am as confused

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as you are

rain glade
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Ok, we determined what values give infinite and no solutions, those won't give unique solutions

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Is there other values we can exclude?

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Think of things like the determinant being 0

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Because that is the only other thing that could bring us no solution, right?

solemn sparrow
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okay

rain glade
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Otherwise there should always be singular solutions

solemn sparrow
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yeah

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i think the question asks for one example for each

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actually

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no

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it's pretty vague

solemn sparrow
rain glade
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I think it wants you to tell when each of these cases occur. If there are infinitely many $\lambda \in \real, \lambda \neq -2,-3$

quartz palmBOT
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Lumberdude #LeaveWolfAsHeIs

rain glade
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They'd want you to mention that

solemn sparrow
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yes

rain glade
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Are you sure? Don't forget that you multiply the last row by the vector to yield the bottom constant

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We have already excluded all values for which this system will not have a unique solution, bare the case when det(A)=0

solemn sparrow
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-1 gives a unique solution actually

rain glade
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Yes, any matrix that is non-singular, does not have a zero row equals some constant and where a row does not give 0*x=0 has a unique solution. I believe

solemn sparrow
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i think that's it

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inf solution = -3
no solution = -2
unique solution = any other value

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i am kinda sure

rain glade
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Yes you are correct!!

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Well done

solemn sparrow
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thank you man

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thank you so much

rain glade
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No problem!

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Sorry for being confusing at times lmao

solemn sparrow
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this is what i get for doing comp

rain glade
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Computer science?

solemn sparrow
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yes

rain glade
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Cool!

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Computer science seems kinda fun I'm ngl

solemn sparrow
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you a math major ?

rain glade
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No, I'm a chemical engineering student in grad school

solemn sparrow
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oh

rain glade
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I did notice something that could have saved a lot of headache, the determinant of the matrix yields the solution too, due to the fact that it determines when a matrix is singular if it is 0...

solemn sparrow
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oh yeah

solemn sparrow
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+close