Proving God exists using Math

[sudden birch]

he is being uncooperative

and I said I do not think therefore i do not exist

[west mirage]

"in the end we all return to stories"

[vivid terrace]

??
where did you try to explain this is wrong
you just said his claim was bad

[serene bluff]

but typing that out indicates you did think, therefore you do exist

[west mirage]

Just keep it civil guys, cya

[vivid terrace]

alr

[serene bluff]

You are having cognitive dissonance

[vivid terrace]

true

[sudden birch]

how would you know?

what is true?

NATO says that truth cannot contradict itself

there is no evidence for such a claim

[serene bluff]

I said that's an axiom, and yes faith.

[sudden birch]

I dont accept it as an axiom

N AXIOM IS SELF EVIDENT

oops

[serene bluff]

and then we cannot talk or head anywhere

[sudden birch]

an axiom is self evident

[serene bluff]

it should be self-evident that there is nothing self-evident

[sudden birch]

there si no reason to bellieve that truth does not contradict itself

[serene bluff]

nor there is reason to believe it does

Okay, this has been the most unproductive hour of my day

[sudden birch]

and I also said that by your very axiom i can prove that i do not exist

[serene bluff]

why are you here?

[limpid spire]

what if i told you feeling like remorse as well as other things arent determined by anything, its a thing thats coded into us almost,

[sudden birch]

i thought you were going toprove something using math?

[limpid spire]

oh 100 percent because we all get those signals in the same language almost like it dont matter who you are or where your from?

[sudden birch]

oh 100%

that must be the math aprt of this thread

cya

[fiery matrix]

you're aware of the incompleteness theorems, yes?

[vivid terrace]

(incompleteness theorem only applies to the theory of the field of ℕ tho (and first-order logic is decidable anyways bc of the completeness theorem))

[sudden birch]

does anyone have a methematical proof for the existence of god?

if not then thats the end of discussion

,close

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.no.yesitis

.no.itisnt

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.mistake

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.&mustard

[valid tusk]

Paradoxes show an inconsistency in whatever system it appears. This is why we aim to solve paradoxes. But various paradoxes require various solutions. In this case, it’s just that natural language is not well formed so we can construct seemingly sensible statements when they are not.

[west mirage]

stop yappin nonsensically

[serene bluff]

I think he quit/account deleted?

Also is this the longest forum in this server's history?

[vivid terrace]

no, I’m pretty sure https://discord.com/channels/624314920158232616/1234045824724635680 is the longest now

[modern parrot]

no i dont belevie it is designed

[serene bluff]

is there an "i don't know" option

[serene bluff]

there is an "unsure" option

there's a subtle difference between being unsure and not knowing

so im not answering the poll

[serene bluff]

what's the difference?

I only inserted 3 options to pervent it being too spreaded

well not knowing something literally means lacking knowledge of

[serene bluff]

which would mean unsure

no, being unsure points towards one's confidence

how about just take unsure as unknown, I can't edit it now

which implies you understand the difference between unsure and not knowing

[serene bluff]

but now you know

and remember that i fall into the category of not knowing

[serene bluff]

I've already known, why does that matter here

[serene bluff]

So are you unsure that the universe is designed?

im worried about you making misinformation from given data

When you're uncertain, you don't know.

[serene bluff]

There is no "misinformation"

[serene bluff]

no. I just don't know

plain and simple

Thought is the most free form of expression

[serene bluff]

well you putting me in the group of uncertainty will be misinformation

[serene bluff]

k

instead of the group of not knowing

[serene bluff]

it's good to be accurate, so yeah don't take the poll.

thank you

[serene bluff]

Again, this post should be concluded. Math cannot and never can prove God's existence because it is falwed.

math isn't flawed

not falwed either

[serene bluff]

It indeed is:
Gödel's incompleteness theorems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeQX2HjkcNo

math proving god's existence implies that you already believe god exists

[serene bluff]

The claim is math cannot prove God's existence.

yes and to answer that you first need to assume god exists

to prove something you need to assume the negation

and then find a contradiction

[serene bluff]

Nor can math falsify God's existence.

to prove that you need to assume god doesn't exist

still not the same question

this whole thread is just a continuation of #1195693215525896292

[serene bluff]

i believe he covers the gördel's incompleteness theorem

[serene bluff]

Do you know Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's 12 Rules for Life?

[serene bluff]

okay

[serene bluff]

no

[serene bluff]

check that out

"jordan peterson" sigh you want me to read his entire book

[serene bluff]

and accordingly why even ask the question. The question of whether god exists doesn't deal with mathematical concepts or logic, where gördel's theorem is applicable

it falls in the realms of philosophy or personal beliefs etc

do you see how vague this is

[dusky lynx]

for humans yes, but by definition god is higher

i dont think any human thought system can like prove god

[dusky lynx]

in the context of language, what i said is ok?

like, why?

[serene bluff]

which again requires you to assume god exists

[dusky lynx]

im not assuming anything, im just defining

i arent assuming there is an electron when i observe an atom

i may or may not find the electron (probability)

but in case of god i am just giving a definition and trying to prove it exists or not

now proving requires me, and my thought systems are human.

[serene bluff]

but you assume that electrons do exist

[dusky lynx]

no i dont

[serene bluff]

so you believe there's a chance electrons do exist when you're observing an atom but in general you don't believe in electrons

what

[dusky lynx]

that is in math, like contradiction based proof. i am talking about all thought systems

[dusky lynx]

i dont believe anything, like i am just an observer

[dusky lynx]

but even if i do assume, does it change the result that i cant prove or falisfy my assumption ?

[serene bluff]

you literally mentioned Heisenberg's uncertainty principle which requires you to assume the existence of electrons in this universe

whether you observe them or not

[dusky lynx]

yeah, i think i am wrong there

[dusky lynx]

but

[serene bluff]

we don't know, well atleast I don't know

so better to avoid the question overall?

[dusky lynx]

i know it as by defintion god is unachievable for humans (most definitions)

see what i am trying to say is you can assume god exists but he is higher than you and you cant prove him without well, itself which is basically faith and religion

[serene bluff]

let me correct that.
you can assume god exists, but you also have to assume that he's higher than you

you also have to assume that it's a "he" so you don't offend a certain group of people

[dusky lynx]

thats the defintion part, that it is higher

[serene bluff]

?

[serene bluff]

Higher existence

[dusky lynx]

higher in ever terms really, there is no comparision

[serene bluff]

is possible

[serene bluff]

which you still have to assume

Existence in a higher dimension

[dusky lynx]

its a definition for sake

[serene bluff]

Who says formless cannot be life

[dusky lynx]

ofc i have to assume, if i dont assume there is a definition then there is no statement to justify or falsify

[serene bluff]

well if god is a "higher form" then by definition he can also be a lower form

see how vague this is

again

[serene bluff]

well, by the least humans should always be humble, because our knowledge is so limited and we are so ignorant

[dusky lynx]

yeah, thats the problem, what i like to think of it is as unachievable, any statement describing god is incomplete without mentioning god, again

[serene bluff]

you can't even approach the question mathematically is my point

Do you expect 200 years of modern science to find the ultimate truth of the near-infinite universe?

the definition cannot be interpreted mathematically either

[dusky lynx]

same but what i am saying is by any stance you cant

[serene bluff]

We are less than a speck of dust

[dusky lynx]

does that matter?

[serene bluff]

no. There is no answrr

there is no answer

we don't know

[dusky lynx]

yeah there is no question either

[serene bluff]

We should be humble

it's not a you can or cant

we'll never know

Because we know so little

[dusky lynx]

because we cant frame that question without using god itself

[serene bluff]

May be that's an agreement?

[dusky lynx]

why? there is no reason to be anything really

[serene bluff]

there's no side you can choose in this question

[dusky lynx]

you cant even choose the question

[serene bluff]

there is no meaning for anything without faith. Correct.

[dusky lynx]

so you are using religion as an argument for god then

[serene bluff]

don't know

[serene bluff]

Faith is believing prior seeing, it cannot be forced.

[serene bluff]

no, you assume we're less than a speck of dust

[dusky lynx]

cant be proven too, its just an assumption.

[serene bluff]

“Awareness of ignorance is the beginning of wisdom.” — Socrate

im ignorant

[serene bluff]

Without good faith, we cannot talk. You assume I exist for the conversation to be worthy.

i choose to be ignorant regarding this because it's not a valid question

[dusky lynx]

well does it even make sense to compare the universe and humans?

[serene bluff]

Socrates points to the sky while Aristotle points to the ground

[dusky lynx]

thats an assumption you are making, how can you know if i am even?

[serene bluff]

I cannot, again this is not good-faith discussion then.

yes this is all pointless now end the damn thread already

I am getting this cycle every time when I force others to this corner

[dusky lynx]

why tho

[serene bluff]

if you want to continue go to #1195693215525896292

this thread doesn't make sense

Stop or infinite regression

[dusky lynx]

nothing makes sense really, you just feel like it

[west mirage]

left

[teal spindle]

If this post was made during the 1800s bro would have been lynched 💀

[west mirage]

Fire

[modern parrot]

hi

[modern parrot]

@serene bluff hi

[serene bluff]

https://dontsayhitohi.com/

[modern parrot]

68

[modern parrot]

how are you today?

[serene bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1164868047706791956.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[modern parrot]

669?

[serene bluff]

..??

[modern parrot]

nato?

[serene bluff]

yeah?

[modern parrot]

hi long time no see

[serene bluff]

no

[modern parrot]

do you want to talk about something

[serene bluff]

no, stop ping me

[modern parrot]

ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfFEW9HsriI

[modern parrot]

@serene bluff

will you watch the video?

[serene bluff]

why is he explaining it like

number 7 burger King foot lettuce

[modern parrot]

huh what?

[serene bluff]

https://youtu.be/zpWbXltP43o?si=oKTbURKE9PmSwl3f

[serene bluff]

Who has the highest skill in math here?

hatsune miku

[modern parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05fSXhZT028

[brittle bramble]

Bruh

[brittle bramble]

Real iceberg

[modern parrot]

how is it real?

[brittle bramble]

Wdym

[modern parrot]

are you meaning that its telling the truth

do you support the icebrg?

[brittle bramble]

Yes

[brittle bramble]

3x+1 on the thumbnail is already a deep rabbithole

[modern parrot]

cant belevie my trhead is still alive

i changed accounts

[serene bluff]

It's Carl Friedrich Gauss not Gödel born at 1777 (my mistake).

[brittle bramble]

Ah right

[modern parrot]

bo he does not sound like the burger king guy

[serene bluff]

yeah if you keep pinging people to have off topic conversations in the thread it would obviously go on indefinitely

[modern parrot]

what

[serene bluff]

the way he made the video is similar to that of a conspiracy theory video

[modern parrot]

what do you mean

the burger king guy sounds like one of those fake roboux scammers

[serene bluff]

try translating the text to the language your primarily speak in

or Google the definition of each word you don't know

in the sentence

[modern parrot]

Bro i know english bruh

i dont speak a other language

[modern parrot]

you know what i hate most? its when people say i cant speak english

[serene bluff]

then your vocabulary must be severely limited

[serene bluff]

if you can't understand what I said here

[modern parrot]

can you stop

your actually annoying me now

[serene bluff]

im just stating possibilities

since you're not giving any feedback about what you didn't understand in the sentence

[modern parrot]

i did not understand the word Indefinitley

[modern parrot]

68?

[modern parrot]

oh nokusingaperi

i translated it

to my lanaguage

nokusingaperi

[modern parrot]

nokusingaperi

[serene bluff]

now do you understand what I said here

[west mirage]

Literaly its so annoying

[serene bluff]

for some reason it feels like he's doing it on purpose

[modern parrot]

bro i dont even care about thsi trhead

[west mirage]

He definitely is

@modern parrot stick to the topic or don't talk here

[serene bluff]

then you'd just ping me in general to say "hi" "how are you"

[west mirage]

Thank you

[modern parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0hxb5UVaNE

the orginal video

[west mirage]

Yeah thats also not allowed @modern parrot please don't ping people randomly its very very annoying (me included)

[serene bluff]

this video is also dumb because at 4:20 he clearly states "common sense says that someone designed this"

[modern parrot]

your right i now know what iw as doing

i am sorry for pinging you guys

[west mirage]

Oki

good

bye

[serene bluff]

idc if he pings me but he's pinging me here specifically

[serene bluff]

title says math
doesn't use math

[west mirage]

ugh the comment secion annoys me

[serene bluff]

note to all high schoolers. don't use popular math videos on youtube as your main source of education

[serene bluff]

primarily ones like this

[modern parrot]

why not

[modern parrot]

do you say they are lying

[serene bluff]

^

[west mirage]

organic chem tutor is amazing tho, hes the only popular one worth watching

[serene bluff]

organic chem tutor*

[west mirage]

💀 I wonder what design software they used? I think adobes cheap this time o year

[west mirage]

oops

[modern parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/@mathantics

what about this guy

[serene bluff]

hes good

[west mirage]

thats like primary school stuff

[serene bluff]

the actual teachers are fine

[west mirage]

bro theres so much misinformation on insta its actually stupid

[modern parrot]

why do i keep seeing this Explaining videos

[serene bluff]

the only math stuff I get on my feed is bprp's

[modern parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAqIoDhornk

[serene bluff]

maybe youtube is sending you a message

"oooo you need to cover some basics oooo"

[modern parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6akmv1bsz1M

[west mirage]

That souns like a bunch of lies

the thumbnail alone says it all

[serene bluff]

it's veritasium

[modern parrot]

yeah

[west mirage]

loler

[modern parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5OJJD3Eytk

[modern parrot]

whats that supposed to mean

[serene bluff]

95race lore

[modern parrot]

its not my lore

what are you yapping about

[west mirage]

fr

[modern parrot]

thats not my lore

i genrally think learning in is school is better

[serene bluff]

your opinion would change immediately if veritasium told you school is bad

[modern parrot]

no man

i dont think that

[serene bluff]

maybe kurzgesagt then

[modern parrot]

i got all awards last year in my school

[serene bluff]

proving school is bad using math

[modern parrot]

i got 90% on math in semseter 1

the grade average was 67%

[serene bluff]

did you know ending this thread is a smart choice 🤯

[modern parrot]

i cant

i logged out of the justfloor account

[serene bluff]

no you can

[modern parrot]

so i dont own it

[serene bluff]

you can end

just stop talking here

[modern parrot]

i forget justfloor password

ok

[serene bluff]

you don't need that account

[modern parrot]

is 67% A Good grade average

[serene bluff]

go to #geonosidan-prison-complex or something

im sure there's plenty of people who are willing to know more about you over there

[serene bluff]

is christiano ronaldo the most attractive soccer player?

[modern parrot]

yes

[serene bluff]

then you can answer your question yourself

[unreal stag]

You can't prove God with maths

Philosophy would be a better tool

[west mirage]

Nahhh lmfao

[modern parrot]

https://youtu.be/3YxaaGgTQYM?si=36eyatRVu4MSsJ6A at 2:45

how did opening the window supposedly push her back?

is there any physics to this

@unreal stag

@serene bluff

[serene bluff]

you have the memory of a bird if you forgot about what I told you 4 hours back

[modern parrot]

i did not DFORGET

THIS IS MY TRHEAD

I DECIDE THE RULES NOT YOU

[modern parrot]

DO YOU HEAR ME?

[modern parrot]

Remarkably, crows (known as some of the most intelligent birds) not only remember people's faces, but respond to facial expressions. Pigeons know who you are even after you change clothes, and are more likely to get out of your way if you've shooed them in the past.

YOU HEAR ME

THIS IS MY TREAHD

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[golden fern]

-warn @modern parrot Stop pinging people to force them to engage with you nor is this your thread + the user info spam back in gen chat a few hrs ago

[modern parrot]

i am sorry

[modern parrot]

i just wanted to be friends with you

[golden fern]

Its a warn, nothing more

[modern parrot]

.....

[golden fern]

isnt a punishement or smh

[teal minnow]

hm

[modern parrot]

i am bored

[sudden birch]

1 + 1 = god

[brittle bramble]

god + god = 4

[dusky lynx]

god*god=god^god

[dusky lynx]

fine indeed

[sudden birch]

0*0=god

0/OOPS = god

[dusky lynx]

0**0=god