#Tangent Line at a point in Circle

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marble pecan
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if $l$ tangents to a circle $x^2+y^2+Ax+By+C = 0$ at point $P(x_1,y_1)$,

$l : x_1x + y_1y + A\frac{x_1+x}{2} B\frac{y_1+y}{2} + C = 0$

i wanna know how to proof this

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wet hornetBOT
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(xy)²=(yz)²=(xz)²=xyyzxz=-1

cunning hazel
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wait whats l:

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i thought it was a ratio sign

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but l doesnt have a value

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is it the equation of l?

marble pecan
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yes

cunning hazel
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start by i guess writing the circle in like the (x-a)^2 form

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and then draw a random radius to x1 y1

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remember that tangent lines are perpendicular to radii

marble pecan
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(x+A/2)²+(y+B/2)² = (A²+B²-4C)/4

cunning hazel
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this is so messy smh

marble pecan
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true

cunning hazel
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anyways you know want some x1 and y1 so the distance from that to -a/2 -b/2 is whatever the RHS is

marble pecan
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it's literally just x=x1, y=y1

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right

cunning hazel
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uhh

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the centre of your circle is -a/2, -b/2

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and then x1 and y1 is a seperate point on that circle

cunning hazel
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we know r

marble pecan
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(x1+A/2)²+(y1+B/2)² = (A²+B²-4C)/4?

cunning hazel
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hm

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you probably want that line equation probably

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you but might also need that as well

marble pecan
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should i calculate the slope

cunning hazel
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def

marble pecan
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m = (y1+B/2)/(x1+A/2) = (2y1+B)/2x1+A)

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then ml = -(2x1+A)/(2y1+B)

cunning hazel
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wait are you done
because you just need a point on it hm

marble pecan
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so l: (2x1+A)x + (2y1+B)y + c = 0 right?

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i need to find c

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@cunning hazel

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is this right?

cunning hazel
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hmm

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well i dont see anything wrong with the above

marble pecan
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so put x=x1, y = y1 in l

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2x1² + Ax1 + 2y1²+By1 = -c
c = -2x1²-Ax1 - 2y1² - By1

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put it in l
2x1x + Ax + 2y1y+By - 2x1² - Ax1 - 2y1² - By1 = 0

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tf is this

cunning hazel
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you still need a C in your final answer

marble pecan
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yeah

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2x1x + 2y1y + A(x-x1) + B(y-y1) - 2x1² - 2y1² =0

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divide by 2
x1x + y1y + A(x-x1)/2 + B(y-y1)/2 - x1² - y1² = 0

cunning hazel
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b(y-y1)

marble pecan
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i think it is x+x1 instead of x-x1

cunning hazel
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this happens if your entire question is a mess sigh

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not your work

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the question itself is just a mess

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i guess syou could try again sicne you know the general way

marble pecan
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wait i think i see something

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what if we do
x = x1, y = y1 in general solution of the circle

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x1² + y1² + Ax1 + By1 + C = 0

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omg

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x1x + y1y + A(x+x1)/2 + B(y+y1)/2 + C= 0

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this is mindblown

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is there a calculus method of proving this tho

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maybe it won't be such a mess

cunning hazel
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dunno calc sadly

marble pecan
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oof

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C(x,y) = x²+y²+Ax+By+C
dC/dx = (-A-2x)/(B+2y)

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dC/dx (x1,y1) = -(A+2x1)/(B+2y1)

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bruh

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same mess

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calc doesn't help like at all

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💀

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@cunning hazel thank you btw

narrow rainBOT
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marble pecan
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im not gonna close this

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hmm my book says that this method of
x² -> x1x
x -> (x1+x)/2
works for any graph

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y - x² = 0
tangent
(y+y1)/2 - x1x
y = 2x1x - y1

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interesting